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yawn, episode was ALL setup for the finale.
im kinda 'over' with charlie and dont really care anymore

For once I find myself disappointed watching this show.

The entire point of this episode was for Charlie to die in a way that would make us love his character more. That's why they set the episode up so that it was mainly just Charlie revelations. What did it for me was when Charlie knocked Desmond out, that's when I was finally at peace with Charlie, I respected him and knew he would go out in a honorable manner. The ending was really cheap I believe, Charlie shoudl've died. Now this is a total excuse for them to not be rescued since things didn't go as planned, and I don't know. This would be the equivelent if you were at a funeral and after a few hours into the Eulogoy the guy got out of the grave and was like, "HAY GUISE IM NOT RLY DEAD, LATES." I don't know I felt cheated.

So while I don't think it was a bad episode I think it had a bad ending.

Meh, it was a bit to heart stringy. The whole setup was pretty obvious, "Charlie! Your gonna die!" (x20) + a Hallmark original movie = haha fooled you!

But seriously, he could still flip a switch and drown.

Filler episode. Wait, my bad - filler season. Couple of good moments - like Locke's dad showing up on the island. Other than that.....

For once I find myself disappointed watching this show.

The entire point of this episode was for Charlie to die in a way that would make us love his character more. That's why they set the episode up so that it was mainly just Charlie revelations. What did it for me was when Charlie knocked Desmond out, that's when I was finally at peace with Charlie, I respected him and knew he would go out in a honorable manner. The ending was really cheap I believe, Charlie shoudl've died. Now this is a total excuse for them to not be rescued since things didn't go as planned, and I don't know. This would be the equivelent if you were at a funeral and after a few hours into the Eulogoy the guy got out of the grave and was like, "HAY GUISE IM NOT RLY DEAD, LATES." I don't know I felt cheated.

So while I don't think it was a bad episode I think it had a bad ending.

I totally agree. Although I loved the episode, and on one hand I'm especially happy to see Charlie alive, I was so emotionally involved in seeing him go out, that I felt a little cheated when he ended up alive in the hatch.

I liked Charlie for a long time but recently I was agreeing with the group that thought he had outlived his welcome. After this episode, it reminded me of why I loved him so much, because of the incredibly awesome moments he gives us in his interaction with the other characters. His back story is maxed out, but his relationship with the on air characters really make you love the guy. I begin to wish that he wouldn't die, but at the same time, it was such an awesome way to make you love the character, it was fitting. Now, he better not die in the next episode, because that would be ridiculous. If they didn't take that awesome opportunity to end his story, then they better let him live for a bit longer.

All in all, I did love the episode, but that end did bug me out, it was a bittersweet moment.

I'm just not a huge fan of Charlie's. This episode was way too sappy for me. It had a couple of good moments, like when Alex questioned Ben as her father and the very end when we found people in the station. I just didn't think it was as strong as some we' ve seenn lately.

Filler episode. Wait, my bad - filler season. Couple of good moments - like Locke's dad showing up on the island. Other than that.....

I found pretty much all of the flashbacks in this epi to be filler, and really totally unnecessary. As was the moment where Jack had Rousseau blow up a tree. (sigh). A waste of a precious commodity (the dynamite).

As to the women in the new hatch.... I think Juliet knew they were there and that Charlie wouldn't be able to shut off the signal jammer.

I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the Losties were going to wish Ben had been more agressive about getting rid of the Dharma people. Maybe these women are Dharma. Aargh - who knows? :mad:

Normally don't criticise Lost, but that was a cheap three-card trick of an episode. The only thing that could have redeemed it was Charlie's honourable death. Fair enough, they had to set up the finale, but they didn't need to waste an hour doing it. I have the feeling, from Sayid's refusal to accompany the radio tower party, that Charlie may pull through at his expense, which would be criminal.

Meh, it was a bit to heart stringy. The whole setup was pretty obvious, "Charlie! Your gonna die!" (x20) + a Hallmark original movie = haha fooled you!

But seriously, he could still flip a switch and drown.

Love Charlie. Didn't love the episode, Very meh.

I am a regular in these "Didn't Love it." threads, but this episode committed a
cardinal sin. It bored me to tears. I have never been so bored with an episode
of "Lost". I kept looking at the clock hoping that it was almost over. Wow. I was
completely and totally bored. If I had Tivo or similar I think I would have stopped
watching and gone to do something else and finished watching another time.

I just hope the season finale is worth the (long, boring, tedious) wait. I understand the writers have to maintain the mystery of the show, and that some of the larger questions will probably not be answered until the very end (2010... UGGHH). But every time they promise to reveal something significant, it seems to raise even more questions.

I am actually looking forward to a break from the weekly anticipation and inevitable disappointment each episode brings. This accomplished next to nothing and only proved to be more setup for the finale.

Speaking of the finale, didn't they do the whole "Others are coming, so let's run/hide/prepare/defend/fight" bit at the end of last season? I'll be watching (I can't help myself), but I just hope it's as mind-blowing as they keep hinting it will be.

Agree with the unnecessary use of the dynamite and the trek into the jungle. Also thought the knock-out of Desmond was unnecessary . As well as the unnecessary and poorly written strain between Sayid and Jack. Also, the unnecessary flashbacks - totally boring. Also, don't care for Rose and her husband. And the pace of plot progression still is at a crawl. Unless the season finale is really spectacular I don't think I continue watching when it comes back on next season, although I may read season summaries when they're done.

Pure exposition. Zero mythology. Too much Charlie sympathy. One of the weakest episodes of the series IMHO.

Grumbled grumble grumble...

The hike to the dynamite was both pointless and unbelievable. Just last night (island time, I mean) they catch Jack and Juliet in a lie, with a very thin explanation. And next thing we know they're all following them blindly to an unknown location because he wants to show them something? Ludicrous.

Danielle would never have given up her rifle. And since when does she hang around when trouble is brewing? I know she's got a grudge now that she knows about Alex, but this is still way out of character for her. At the very least, she would have come to her trusted friend Sayid to talk about this dynamite plan.

Charlie could have very quickly and easily explained the Others to Naomi. Why even have her ask Charlie if they're not going to have him answer?

Why oh why did Carl still have a gun when he got to the Lostie camp? I know Sawyer told Sayid to let Carl go, but there's no way in the world, Sayidf would have let Carl go with a gun in his pants.

I'm sure there's more I could rattle on about, but those were the main things that bothered me.

I still don' t understand why they trust Jack again. He's acting strange since his return. He wanted to go, was playing football with Tom...But he's still te Hero!..Whaooo :confused: :rolleyes:

Season 1, seaon 2 and season 3 finales are the same: The others are coming. Jack you're the leader, tell us what to do !!! :undecide:

This was a really, really disappointing episode. How so? Let me count the ways.

1. Unlike Charlie, I don't make my lists BACKWARDS. What sort of patently silly plot mechanism is THAT?

2. CHARLIE CAN'T SWIM. I can't believe there is such a major continuity error in this episode.

3. The whole explanation about the sonar station doesn't make sense.

4. Karl reappeared in a particularly clumsy fashion. His reapparance with the Losties could have been set up by a brief scene in an earlier episode.

5. Bernard and Rose's reappearance was equally clumsy. And now Bernard is an expert shot, too? That too could easily have been established in an earlier episode rather than sprung on the viewer.

6. I don't like this "The Stand"-like "three guys stay behind to 'shoot the dynamite'" notion. Also seems like a pretty telegraphed way to kill one or all of them.

7. I wanted more of a reaction by the Others to Locke's apparent death.

8. The whole dynamite in the tents idea seems pretty unbelievable to me. There are so many ways it could go wrong.

9. What happened to a good old "we know they are coming" ambush?

10. I did not like way the episode tried to play on our emotions.

11. I absolutely despised the notion of Charlie hitting Desmond on the head so Charlie could sacrifice himself. (Adopting Chandler from Friends voice): Could there BE anything more hackneyed than that?

12. Nadia could take care of a mugger more easily than Charlie could.

13. The whole flashback where Desmond's brother gives him the ring was totally unbelievable.

Well, that's enough for now. I think this whole episode was an example of lazy writing, and I was very disappointed by it--especially so since the last two episodes I felt had good writing and plotting.

Agree with the unnecessary use of the dynamite and the trek into the jungle. Also thought the knock-out of Desmond was unnecessary . As well as the unnecessary and poorly written strain between Sayid and Jack.
I really liked this episode, but I have to agree with what you said here.

When Danielle blew up the tree, the FIRST thing I thought was, "WHHHYYYY!!!!!" Very contrived moment right there. I mean, yes, it looked cool for the promos, but it served NO purpose in the episode other than to WASTE DYNAMITE.

I agree that the knocking out of Desmond was unnecessary, but that is just a minor objection.

I agree more with the "poorly written strain between Sayid and Jack." This was quite noticeable. From the promos, I can see the reasoning why Jack has to be the one leading the group to the tower, but it really felt very :confused: :confused: :confused: .

I also don't think Jack's plan was all that great. It really depended too much on Juliet's limited intel and assumptions.

I enjoyed seeing everyone interacting together, sans Locke, for the first time this season. I thought the undersea laboratory (why was it called a hatch?) was cool. However, the ever convenient "jammer" plot device got me thinking about the timeline. In a nutshell, Danielles resarch vessel ran aground in search of the numbers transmission in 1988-89. The Dharma/Others Purge was in the mid 90's.

...somehow she and her shipmates kept missing the Dharma Beer Van when it made runs to the Pearl station.

Pure exposition. Zero mythology. Too much Charlie sympathy. One of the weakest episodes of the series IMHO.

How can there be zero mythology when you get to see an entirely new station?

I just hope the season finale is worth the (long, boring, tedious) wait. I understand the writers have to maintain the mystery of the show, and that some of the larger questions will probably not be answered until the very end (2010... UGGHH). But every time they promise to reveal something significant, it seems to raise even more questions.

I am actually looking forward to a break from the weekly anticipation and inevitable disappointment each episode brings. This accomplished next to nothing and only proved to be more setup for the finale.

Speaking of the finale, didn't they do the whole "Others are coming, so let's run/hide/prepare/defend/fight" bit at the end of last season? I'll be watching (I can't help myself), but I just hope it's as mind-blowing as they keep hinting it will be.

Yep.

I agree with everything you said but especially the bit about "looking forward to a break from the weekly anticipation and inevitable disappointment each episode brings."

Maybe it's a good thing the next season is eight months away. It will take me that long to gear up for another round of let downs.

Normally don't criticise Lost, but that was a cheap three-card trick of an episode. The only thing that could have redeemed it was Charlie's honourable death. Fair enough, they had to set up the finale, but they didn't need to waste an hour doing it. I have the feeling, from Sayid's refusal to accompany the radio tower party, that Charlie may pull through at his expense, which would be criminal.


oh geeeeeez if this happens (and i HAVE been getting a "sayid is going to die :(" vibe, and not once have i believed that they were going to off charlie), then i don't know what i'll do with myself. every week i go from "man, i love this show!" to "man, i hate this show." haha

Just another one to the growing collection of lame, insipid and contrived episodes.
It could have redeemed itself if Charlie HAD JUST DIED! So many unnecesary scenes, too many useless moments to set up the trek to the tower. Not to mention the poor dialogue.

Overall I didn't mind it but didn;t love it either. But big big sand in my pants was Jack. Could one of the witless lemmings please knock him out with an oar. The arrogance of him - 'You said I was your leader' *cough* dictator. *cough* Here Danielle *whistle whistle* 'Good dog goood dog.' 'I will tell people to strip the plane for wire' - yes master and commander - we will do as you wish although you have sided with the enemy, knew her plan, decided not to tell us about it and now are sought on revenge. Chop chop get to it.

If perhaps we had seent his evolving, seen Jack's secret keeping - it would be more palatable. Rather than it being served up so baldly. And yes - I want dissent, I want rebellion - shame on Sayid - 'You are our leader Jack - act like one.' Excuse me whislt I pop my eyes back in. This would all be less annoying if the TPTB explored this power dynamic and leader struggle - like season 1 maybe - and unearth something I like to call 'detail', 'narrative' and ummmm 'good writing.' Man .....more upset about Jack than I thought. But otherwise thought episode was ok.

Yes, how can it be that a couple of episodes ago, Sayid is going on about how they can't trust Jack, and trying to keep Naomi from Jack etc, and now he's saying Jack's the leader. It's a bit quick, with no transition. Again, I hope that the problems we see in this episode are explained... but it does feel more and more like stuff is just being patched together. I can't be bothered to argue in the 'Charlie can't swim' thread... The main point people try to say is that charlie can swim, but that he chose not to in series 1. There was no build up this time, he just announces that he is a good swimmer. Nobody even says to him 'wait, you said before that you can't swim'. If he had covered it then, I would accept it. But this was just as though the writers forgot. Again, maybe it will be explained in the future, but I think it's doubtful we'll get a good one. I imagine Charlie will just say 'it was fortunate that the water wasn't set to a lethal charge'. oooo wow, good one

Why oh why did Carl still have a gun when he got to the Lostie camp? I know Sawyer told Sayid to let Carl go, but there's no way in the world, Sayidf would have let Carl go with a gun in his pants.

Carl had that gun because Alex handed it to him when she told him to go warn the Losties.


I have to stay up past my bedtime in order to watch LOST... after this eppy, I wanted
that hour of sleep back! It felt like an empty, wasted hour to me. They really gave us
NOTHING.

I just hope the finale will be worth staying up for, and not too maddening.

I just hope that the finale isn't a BIG letdown like last years was. Aside from that I just don't kow what to think, about the underwater glass hatch and the women guarding it. I too thought Charlie couldn't swim.

Poor. Jack in cahoots with Danielle was laughable and the whole Charlie thing nauseating.

Gotta agree since when does Danielle trust Jack? And since when does she condone wasting dynamite and giving up her weppon for any reason. And when did Syaid just start trusting Jack again? To many inconsitancies. Really hope the finalie isnt as crapy a clif hanger as last years was. (sorry for all the bad spelling)
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