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I just though the whole flash forward stuff is ruining it! i want to know what happens to the cast at the end of the season when it's really the end and not right now.
Also i didn't like Hurley back in the insane place and seeing charlie. even though he was sooo cute!

And i don't like how kate and sawyer are Pissed at eachother. i love them together and i can't stand when they don't talk!

Liked it, didn't love it.
Compared to the previous 3 season premiere's it was a big flop.
It was more like a mid-season show, and an average one at that.

-Got tired of looking at bloody Ben. Ok, they couldn't stop the action to clean him up, I understand that, but there were too many lingering shots.
-Too much time spent on Naomi and it didn't add anything substantial to the storyline. I love the character and actress, but they dragged it out too long. Besides, that blood looked so fake.
- I'm all for a little paranormal stuff, but only a few spoonfuls at at a time, please.
- Reddick disappointed me, I wasn't at all creeped out by him. He seemed more a nuisance than a threat.
- The writers are getting too cutesy with the enigmatic stuff, i.e. Charlie talking about "it". Like paranormal, it works best when used sparingly..

On the + side, the acting was top-notch. Jorge G. did a great dramatic turn. I totally bought into his sorrow. Cusick rocked! - who needs dialog when you can say so much with your face? Sawyer's back, I've missed him.

Man, I'm never on this thread, but lostmio said it best. This episode feels like "mid-season."

probably because it kind of was. if you think about it..the finale was really the start to the season in a way...
the finale wasn't really a finale. it dropped a bombshell that led to the new season.

So I consider the finale to really be the start of the season. that said, I spoiled myself too much which made me dislike some parts of the episode.
GOAL: stop looking at spoilers.
+but at the same time, was a little disappointed that there was no fake out and reveal. but the finale was kind of that. still...I wish there had been one.

probably because it kind of was. if you think about it..the finale was really the start to the season in a way...
the finale wasn't really a finale. it dropped a bombshell that led to the new season.

So I consider the finale to really be the start of the season. that said, I spoiled myself too much which made me dislike some parts of the episode.
GOAL: stop looking at spoilers.
+but at the same time, was a little disappointed that there was no fake out and reveal. but the finale was kind of that. still...I wish there had been one.

YES! i couldn't enjoy it as much cause a lot of surprises were ruined for me...
i knew hurley was driving the camaro
i knew there was the "oceanic six" but i can blame my friend for asking me about it over IM
i knew ana lucia's partner would pop up (but i forgot so it was still kind of a surprise)
i knew jeremy davies would be landing on the island soon

What I disliked was... Hurley throwing the radio into the water. What a silly thing to do, pretty illogical, and a reminder that the writers still insist on making the characters do completely stupid things, in order to create tension / create a certain set up. "Why wouldn't they just use the radio?" - "I dunno, maybe they just throw it in the water, then they can't use it anymore" - "Good call!". Other than that, I was actually pretty satisfied.

Totally agree - never been on this thread - but just no zing to it. Also they hyped it ups as a two hour premiere - I don't know bout anyone else but sick of the recaps. I mean there is no way to get all the information out there to snag new viewers in an hour. total disappointed with the whole night.... no answers and just new questions. At least try to anwer some questions and what about Sam and the boat - getting too much like Gilligan's Island to me..

I was let down, most of the reasons already stated.

Season 2 opener: Desmond in the Hatch. Brilliant. Answers a huge question and opens up ton of new ones. The writers were way ahead of us.

Season 3 opener: Others Book Club. Brilliant. Catches us all off guard and explains how Ethan, Ben, Juliet, and that guy Ana Lucia killed are connected. The writers are still ahead of us.

Season 4 opener: Hurley in a car chase. So Hurley got off the island and is messed up in the future. Meanwhile, on the island there is a division between who wants to leave and who wants to get rescued by the obviously bad guys that are coming. This is the exact same story line as the end of Season 3. Seven months later, nothing new.

Like Queen Lizzie said, maybe they just revealed the new deal too early.

Having said all that, Lost is still the best show in TV by a mile and while this was a disappointment, it's largely because the previous openers have kicked so much ***.

I was 100% spoiled on the S2 and S3 premieres, too, because so many folks who saw the early Hawaii showings posted blow-by-blow stuff.

Both of those played waaaay better on the screen than than in the reading.

This one? If you had read it, you were going "Ok, I know what's coming next - Kate's gonna hug him and take the sat phone". Most of the action didn't play much better than it read.
Also, I was surprised to see that the previews showed just about every second of the Hurley at Jacob's cabin stuff. I was expecting more on the show.

:confused: I didn't love it because of the obvious flashes getting way out of control. My advise to the writers, though I know they won't read much less listen: Stop all flashes, forwards, backwards, inbetween, until you answer some of the countless questions that are still left hanging on the island from the PRESENT. Then when those nagging mysteries are resolved, you can go flash crazy because as of right now it's too aggravating & confusing.

The only reason I know that last nights flash forward was before the FF of Season 3's last show is because Jack said he might grow a beard. I guess that was the hint letting us know it came before he was deep into drugs & alchohol & looked like a scruffy bum. I was hoping it came after because at first it looked like Jack straightened himself up, got off booze & drugs & looked like Jack again. But no, that would be too much to ask for so we know sometime after that he turned into a sloppy drunk. Thanks!

I love the characters too much to stop watching, but my husband said he had enough after last night. He may come around but he was really annoyed!:confused:

I'm glad Lost is back but,
in this episode Jin had less screen time than all of the red-shirts on the island.
He's illiterate, not an idiot.
One frown or watery eyes over Charlie's death was the least TPTB could've gave DDK.

Didn't love it. Very midseason and start of a new direction. Very excited about next eppi.

While I didn't hate it, I was disappointed because I've seen this show about redemption, and a second chance. It seems as tho these FF's make the characters darker bc they arrive off the Island. I just hope there's some resolution - that is, I don't want this show to turn into a tragedy.

I was also disappointed they made the apparition of Charlie Dave-like. It seems disrespectful to his character.

Not a great episode and certainly not a good way to start a new season. Not enough happened and it just felt like they were dragging things out.

For example, the pointless resurrection of Naomi. What did she add to the story in this episode other than to pad it out? She could have stayed dead from the end of TTLG and the phone signal problem needn't have happened. It would have been OK if her disappearance made her appear suspicious to the Losties, but nobody seemed to think anything of it. Nobody questioned why she would want to run away, Jack still appears to believe her. This subplot added nothing.

Then there was the illogical group scene where everyone decides whether they want to go with Locke or stay with Jack. How about giving them some information to base their decision on? No, of course not. What was needed here was for Desmond to explain what happened in the Looking Glass, and for Locke to give his reasons too. Why wouldn't anybody ask about this? It was unrealistic.

Missing Pieces #13 was better than this episode!

As a season premiere, it was a serious letdown compared to the mind-blowing/game-changing reveals of S2 & S3. It felt more like a Season 3 epilogue, a way to wrap up the story ends from TTLG.

I wonder if they had originally planned the flashforwards as a big Season 4 reveal, but moved them up to punch up the critically-mixed third season...

I didn't like the episode for one reason - no Charlie! :'( Not on the island, anyway. And that's where I want Charlie!

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Bring back Charlie!
I miss Charlie!
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Really disappointing for a season premiere. I have thoroughly enjoyed seasons 1-3, but the beginning of season 4 has me worried. We didn't resolve any open issues, no new mysteries appeared (unless you count the annoying flash forwards), and basically nothing happened. We are at the same point as the end of season 3. As another post indicated, this felt like a midseason episode, where I can accept some meandering to the storyline, but not the season premiere...just really disappointing.

Didn't like it at all. They didn't use the walkie because they were afraid of them listening in? A bit of a stretch there eh writer's? It also seems like they're dragging more scenes out (maybe b/c of the writer's strike?). Hope next week is better. Wouldn't Jack be tending to Naomi while she lay there with a knife in her back? After all, she was saving them and he's obsessed with fixing everything right? It defied the entire premise of Jack's character.

honestly have to say how annoying it was to see all the survivors smiling and laughing about how they are about to be rescued (Sun, my favorite character, says she can't wait to have her baby in a hospital, for example) and yet a lady just had a knife thrown in her back. It just doesn't ring true, for the first time ever (huge lost fan here, love it all pretty much) I have to say I didn't feel that was consistent at all with the intense drama that had just taken place, very strange.

It felt like a shambles of an episode... badly edited, it didnt feel like lost, it lost its magic and I hate saying this because Im a huge fan but it really dissapointed me a hell of a lot. Some characters need to go. Charlie needs to get back into his watery grave(simply because using dead people talking beyong the grave is a bad device to use) and boring as hell Desmond needs to find Penny and disappear. I felt the story was like a ball of something that just exploded everywhere... it was a mess... it confused even me... I give lost its due when it is good, I wont constantly give it low scores but that episode doesnt deserve anything more than a 4

Porochaz, I'd give the story and editing a charitable 3, with the acting pushing it to a 4.
I re watched it last night to see if I missed something. A decent-to-great episode always improves with re watches, because of the layers of meaning.
This one? didn't.
It was done by the A team: Darlton wrote it, Bender directed it. Not a good sign of things to come..

I'd looked forward to this as being the blockbuster season, now I'm worried. Lately I've seen spoilers that made me think "ooohkay, maybe they can make that work, this IS the best series ever on TV, after all". Now I'm skeptical.

For several reasons, I just didn't get my usual buzz from this episode. I think some of the emotional scenes were a bit overdone....it also didn't help that we had such a long break since last season's finale. I guess I've already finished grieving Charlie so I didn't get into those sad scenes much.

Hoping for a better fix next time.

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I guess that would be me. I'm disappointed because I was commenting on a post by someone who didn't like it. I'm not trying to be rude here, it just seems a bit rigid. :confused: I'll toddle off to another thread and see if I can carry that person's comments with me.

I guess that would be me. I'm disappointed because I was commenting on a post by someone who didn't like it. I'm not trying to be rude here, it just seems a bit rigid. :confused: I'll toddle off to another thread and see if I can carry that person's comments with me.

it is rigid b/c there are several posters that like to make this into a debate thread which takes this off topic for the "didn't love it" thread. if you didn't love it, then discuss what you didn't like. if you want to debate the merits or lack thereof then it needs to be in the other threads. thanks.

FWIW in the past we would end up with about 3 or more threads all discussing the same things and debating the show. it became confusing for everyone and many posters ended up carrying on the same convos in all the threads. :71: yeah, a bit redundant. ;)

honestly have to say how annoying it was to see all the survivors smiling and laughing about how they are about to be rescued (Sun, my favorite character, says she can't wait to have her baby in a hospital, for example) and yet a lady just had a knife thrown in her back. It just doesn't ring true, for the first time ever (huge lost fan here, love it all pretty much) I have to say I didn't feel that was consistent at all with the intense drama that had just taken place, very strange.

Yeah - it was a bit like the Eloi impassively watching one of their own drown.

Bring on the Morlocks! :biggrin: see if that puts the wind up their sunbathing, picnicking, lazy arse, rear ends.

Wouldn't Jack be tending to Naomi while she lay there with a knife in her back? After all, she was saving them and he's obsessed with fixing everything right? It defied the entire premise of Jack's character.

Absolutely. It was like the writers of this scene never watched the first three seasons of Jack. Plus, none of the other characters lifted a finger to help the person they thought was responsible for their imminent rescue. Talk about ungrateful. And then half of them choose to follow the murderer who acted with no real evidence.

I am psyched t have the show back, but this epi was kind of bland--mostly set up for more exciting events in future episodes I hope.

I thought the episode was kinda lame too. Nothing was really added to the storyline. When we finished at the end of ssn 3 the rescue was imminent. Well, after this opening ep of ssn 4 the rescue is still imminent! Wonder how long they drag this out for.

Yeh i thought Hurley throwing the walkie talkie in the water was a terrible cliche too.

Same when Hurley ran away from his visitor to the other side of the room in the asylum "That guy's after me", then the nurse looked at what Hurley was referring to and we then got the lame cliche of the visitor gone and the door closing - as if Hurley had made it all up. Oh my.

If there's one thing I hate about LOST, it's the extremes taken to conceal facts from the audience.

The Others keeping tight-lipped about everything is fine, while it's a story told from the Losties point of view. Spooky goings-on, I don't mind that being kept a mystery, since it's part of the Losties' experience.

The kind of thing I mean is when they hinted that Locke didn't blow up the submarine. Why couldn't they show us what he did? Like most of the twist- and cliff-hanger endings, it's just a cheap dramatic trick.

The flash-forwards are worse. Why can't Jack and Kate and Hurley and Charlie talk openly (to each other) about what happened on the Island? They refer to it in a completely un-natural way. They talk as if they think there's a TV audience of millions watching them, and they don't want to give away the ending...

Sod the Big Secret. Just tell us what it is and get on with the consequences.

Wouldn't Jack be tending to Naomi while she lay there with a knife in her back? After all, she was saving them and he's obsessed with fixing everything right? It defied the entire premise of Jack's character.

Agree, that was really out of character for Jack. I mean, come on, he thought Naomi was there to help rescue them and he doesn't go over and at least see if he can save her? :rolleyes: And what about the other Losties? Are they so jaded by all the deaths of the last few months that they just shrug off this one? And are they so wrapped up in their own worlds that they don't see this mortally wounded woman crawl away with a knife in her back? Then she climbs a tree, jumps down and holds this same knife to Kate's throat, all the while with a huge knife wound in her back? Way too far-fetched, even for LOST. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

After waiting 8 months for the BIG return, I must say I was not impressed. Its not that I expected it to be a humongous nail biter but I thought it was just an iffy sort of episode -like one that would be in the middle of a season. Ho-humish. (or maybe its because I might have, dare I say, lost interest in LOST during this dragged out hiatus. ? oh I hope not!)

On top of it all - 5 minutes into TBOTE, our local station put on a 3 minute test of the emergency broadcast system! Not just once, but 3 times during the first half hour. I thought it was some sort of sabotage by a disgruntled station hand who dislikes Lost & all its fans but it turned out that it was the local cable company's fault. And seems that they had no control over when these emergency thingees are broadcast so tonight our local station is repeating it at 8 p.m.

Actually I could care less whether they do or don't repeat it. Now tell me Puh-leeze, tell me thats not some sort of sign that I'm giving up on my absolute favorite TV show of all time. I don't WANT to give up!

I need some words of encouragement.....:eek2: :)