ok..so i know TPTB have said theyre not in purgatory.

but do you think they could be in hell??!

thoughts?

Nah, you know the con man always using nicknames, perhaps it was a metaphor, a very interesting one though.

NEVR say never

i think hell would be more interesting then purgatory. but it begs the question..if they're in hell, what happens to the people who "died"? did they just move on to a different level of hell? like dantes seven circles.

I don't think so. I think the 'Flight 815' that was found in the ocean trench was a fakeout - after all, whoever's behind the Others (Mittelos, etc) clearly has the means (both financial and otherwise) to stage something like that. The fact that the wreckage was so very deep certainly suggests that they wouldn't have raised the bodies and checked them all against dental records and whatnot.

I just think that it can't be. I mean, how do people re-die in hell? And how do magnetic disturbances in hell register in the arctic, and so many other problems that came up with the purgatory theory. There's no real difference anyway. I also think that they wouldn't give away the nature of the island in a way like this. They wouldn't do it this easily at some arbitrary point in the middle of a season. I think that revelation is just too big.

Tough call, but I think it is possible because...

1) Desmond washed up ashore...Can an unconcious* man keep his head up and out of the water? Perhaps he drowned.

2) Naomi...Whatever craft she was in "crashed" as well. Perhaps she died in "that" crash.

3) Juliette was "put to sleep" to get to the Island. Put to sleep takes a whole new meaning...

4) I believe Cooper when he says he was in an accident and then it faded to Black. I believe him. I dont think the others instructed him to lie about where he thinks he is, or how he got there.

5) Nowadays it's impossible to keep an island "uncharted" with the satellite technology we have. So, where are they?

I dont think they're in an underwater "Air Oasis", or a bubble. The more I think, the more it makes sense. Ethan was with Juliette in the sub...and so was Richard probably...Looks like Dante's inferno's rings...and somehow our "Lostees" are stuck in them...What the :censored: ???

OMG moment for sure.

Do you think they're living in hell? I think Juliet has a crush on Jin. Did you see how they looked after the waterfall scene?

No, it's a stupid concept.

I think there is no supernatural events happening. It will be natural and scientific reasons for all things. Even Smokey boy.

Did anyone see Jack slide a large knife into his back pocket in the background of one scene?

I'm just going to throw this in...

Consider that there is still the "time lost" mystery to be explained - what if there are two time lines that intersect at the island? This could explain how Flight 815 is both at the bottom of the ocean and also on the island. hmm...

I find this less far fetched than being in hell or purgatory and more feasible to weave into the plot.

I think there is no supernatural events happening. It will be natural and scientific reasons for all things. Even Smokey boy.

Did anyone see Jack slide a large knife into his back pocket in the background of one scene?

I didn't notice that but am about to watch it again and report back, is jack going to kill whats her name. we can say her name, she said it, I just don't remember what it was.

I believe there might be some sort of evil thought in the forefront of Jack's mind. Maybe implanted by Ben or the Others. He had a weird grin on his face as well...;)

This show is starting to remind me of the Christopher Pike book "Whisper of Death." Anyone else ever read it? The novel was YA, but to this day it still creeps me out whenever I think of it. Even if you're an adult, I recommend picking it up. He crafted a very well written tale.

The story is just disturbing in so many ways... but I can see how Lost could be modeled after it. In a nutshell, here is the story:

One day a girl named Roxanne and her boyfriend, Pepper, come home from a short trip to find out that the entire world has disappeared. Around the town, they find a few other people who are also wondering what happened. The stores are fully stocked and the electricity still works, so they have everything they need to survive. Eventually, they all discover that they had ties to a girl, Betty Sue, who committed suicide a few months back. They start finding stories and mementos about Betty Sue's life strewn about the town. One by one, they start dying.

Spoiling the end of the book here
It ends up that Roxanne aborted a baby, which is why she was out of town. The baby was the demon formerly known as Betty Sue. She trapped her enemies in a snowglobe world, in order to punish them for what she saw as past wrongs, for all eternity. She pulls the puppet strings to wind them into whatever story she wants them to be a part of.

I might be a bit off on a few details... but I can see a connection to how that plot and this plot (Lost) tie in together.

I don't think they're in hell. Cooper was probably just there as a pawn, and I do believe that he did just black out and was suddenly on the island. Some of the things he said tonight were great, how he kept saying 'Don't you know where we are John?' 'You really have no idea do you?'

Cooper thinks they are in Hell based upon him being in what he thought was a fatal car crash and of course the life he led.

Keeping in mind Cooper's history as a con man, I wouldn't trust anything he says (even if they are in hell).

except us. All the newcomers seem to know where they are, Naomi and Locke's dad... even Jack and Juliet. I presume they mean hell but not completely sure.

Is it hell?

Well i gues that depends on what you think hell is. A paradise island or a place where all this conflict of the sould is happening?

I believe Cooper actually thought he was in hell for good reason.

I don't think they are in hell, but there is definetly a clash between good and evil and the others are bad.

And I always liked Locke but I think he is lost now. He did kill his father, and I think by doing that, he indoctrinated himself into to the others. I have a feeling now that it is done, it can't be taken back, and so Ben and Richard and Jacob will have complete control over him now and his abilities.

I don't think they're in hell, but I do think that Cooper honestly thought they were in hell since the last thing he remembers was being in the car crash and being put into an ambulance. He thinks he died and was in hell.

However I think Alpert or someone associated with Ben gave Cooper a tranquilizer (similar to the one given to Juliet) in the ambulance and brought him to the island in order to manipulate/test Locke.

I don't think so. I think the 'Flight 815' that was found in the ocean trench was a fakeout - after all, whoever's behind the Others (Mittelos, etc) clearly has the means (both financial and otherwise) to stage something like that. The fact that the wreckage was so very deep certainly suggests that they wouldn't have raised the bodies and checked them all against dental records and whatnot.
Yes, that's it. They want to make sure that no one is looking for the plane so that they can keep the island hidden and so that they can use the survivors any way that they choose to.

Yeah, I don't know it just doesn't seem very likely to me that children could be born in hell. :shrug: Even if they got pregnant somewhere else...

I don't think they're in hell, but I do think that Cooper honestly thought they were in hell since the last thing he remembers was being in the car crash and being put into an ambulance. He thinks he died and was in hell.

However I think Alpert or someone associated with Ben gave Cooper a tranquilizer (similar to the one given to Juliet) in the ambulance and brought him to the island in order to manipulate/test Locke.

These are exactly my thoughts on the subject. Mittelos was responsible for the car that rear-ended Cooper that sent him into the barrier. The ambulance that arrived also came from Mittelos (plenty of privately owned ambulance companies out there) and they abducted him for the purpose of presenting him to Locke.

I believe Cooper actually thought he was in hell for good reason.

Yeah, he was like "I can't believe I agreed to sign on to this show! How many more times are they going to interrupt my life to fly me out to Hawaii to do two episodes, and then leave me hanging for another 10 months without knowing whether I'll be used again next season?" I'd say that was hell! LOL! :biggrin:

IMHO Cooper was in a coma and dying. Locke had this intense longing he needed to resolve about Cooper. The island brought Cooper in some form that may not be really physical. (Island has its own powers of some kind).

Cooper however knew he was going to hell and believed he was there.

The island wouldn't bring an innocent man to be killed. When Cooper dies from choking by Sawyer he probably died from respitory failure in real life.

Locke knows killing anyone would take whatever his powers are away. Defending yourself is not necessarly murder.

Here is a theory. They are in hell. The others are demons trying to make an army to take over the world. God made it so that they couldn't reproduce, but they are trying to get around it. Alex and Aaron somehow got around this somehow, so they want to study them.
The people that "died" in the plane crash actuall where the ones that went into heaven.
If you die in hell, you go right back to hell. That is how Mikhaili(however it is spelled) showed up again. The other people that died could show up again.
There is more than just than one area/level in hell. That is why there are so few others. Locke had to kill his dad to be allowed into another level. Micheal and Walt were sent to another area of hell.

I don't think it's hell, but I can see it as Purgatory, which makes it more interesting. Why else is there so much reference to redemption? Remember, everyone used to talk about how everyone who we have seen die on the island, died after coming to terms with unresolved issues in their lives. This is why the 42 "survivors" are in purgatory. They must come to peace or give into their weakness before they can enter heaven or hell. The only thing that distracts me from this is that the writers would be giving up the underlying plot too soon. Therefore I believe they are still alive...

Maybe the others are going to study human behavior as if one is dead. Man of Science vs. Man of Faith. The others staged the crash and are now convincing the losties that they are dead. They want to know how they will react. This could be while they have such detailed files from each person's life. Maybe they will compare their life to their death. Will they become good people because they want to get into heaven? Can they even change who they really are when facing Heaven or Hell? Alpert did say that he hoped they were there for something greater than fertility testing. Could there be any way that the losties are dead and the others are alive and that there is somehow a connection between both life and death? I'm thinking of the movie, Ghost with Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore, and Whoopie Goldberg. Sam was caught in purgatory and needed to solve his murder and say goodbye to his wife Molly before going to heaven. Whoopie was a psychic who could communicate with Sam. Are the others able to communicate with people who have died on the island?

Those are just a few ideas I had. Can't wait for the next episode. I thought this one was great, although extremly predictable for anyone who believed Cooper was Sawyer.

I don't think it's hell, but I can see it as Purgatory, which makes it more interesting. Why else is there so much reference to redemption?


I'm very interested in this idea as well.

As far as hell vs. purgatory, I think the question was answered perfectly in CS Lewis's afterlife novel, "The Great Divorce." The souls of the dead are in a vast grey town, where they do all sorts of things that one does in "real life." Every so often a few of them board a bus, where they are taken to an "in between world," where they meet various guardian spirits, etc., and are essentially "tested" to see if they are ready to move on to their "final destination."

The point is this. One of the dead souls asks his guardian spirit, in essence, "When I was back in the grey town, was that hell?"

The guardian spirit answers, "To those who are moving away from heaven, that place is hell. For those who are moving towards heaven, it seems as part of heaven itself." I don't have the book in front of me, so can't give an exact quote.

IMO this is very much the spirit of a supernatural interpretation of LOST. For some, The Island is indeed hell. For others, it might actually seem like standing on the doorstep of heaven itself. After all, it is a beautiful place, idyllic in many ways, full of life and growth. It all depends on what you bring to it.