Connection between the Others and the Dreams/Smokey?

Say more about that - what do you mean?

Thats exactly what Boone said in John's little dream in the beginning of the season.

Thank You! I thought I was crazy. I'm going to go a little further than you though. Everything in "Further Instructions" that Boone said seemed to me like Ben. I mean the way he talked and acted was just like Ben. I wonder if Ben/the Others are responsible for giving Locke the vision? Remote Viewing comes to mind. . Did Ben appear to Locke as Boone? It even made more sense to me when in Locke's Flashback Eddie said Locke was (sp?) "Fit for cohersion".Since most flashbacks deal with current on island events, maybe it was there to illustrate how Locke was currently being manipulated. Smoke Monster? I dunno. Very Intresting.

This isn't the first time a line has been used by more than one character. Ben did just tell Locke, "Don't tell me what I can't do."

Hmmmm. Do we trust the person who stood guard?

I thought Boone was a manifestation of John's guilt - not smokey. But some Other whispering suggestively in his ear... maybe.

I also strongly believe Boone was in Locke's mind only, not Smokey. But everyone wants to say that anything strange is Smokey.

I believe it was John's guilt that brought Boone into his dream....

The writers said that that dream sequence and the dialog are important to the show. Does anybody have a copy of the transcript?

if you got to lostpedia.com there is a transcript of the whole vision sequence. No one else thinks Boone's candour was like Ben's?

I use this: http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Further_Instructions.htm there are others, but this is easily navigable because of the coloured names.

It lacks a little on 'direction' though - characters motivation and intent filtered through the viewer transcribing the episode. There are other options :smile: I'm sure someone will be happy to show you.

I think that Boone was a product of Locke's subconcious, however I am convinced that there was something influencing exactly what was said/seen.

There have been so many instances of dreams/visions where the events could not have been known by the character, eg. Eko knowing about Ana's death, Locke knowing about the Beechcraft, etc, etc. There clearly seems to be an outside influence, but is it Smokie, the island, or whispers in the jungle putting suggestions into their subconcious?

BOONE: Hi, John. It's good to see you again. [Locke wants to speak, but can't] What's that, John? [Locke mouths/whispers: I'm sorry] Oh, you're sorry. That's okay. I was the sacrifice the island demanded. [Locke mouths something else] Don't worry; you'll speak when you have something worth saying. I'm here to help you find your way again. So you can bring the family back together. Come on, I want to show you something.
[Locke tries to move, but his leg doesn't work. He looks at Boone, panic stricken, and tries to move his leg again.]
BOONE [pointing off camera]: John, you're going to need that.
[We see a wheelchair lying on its side with the wheel spinning. We see trippy flashes of superimposed images of Locke's face. We see the wheel chair rolling along with Locke at the Sydney airport, Boone pushing him.]
BOONE: John, someone in this airport is in serious danger. You are the only one who can save them.
[We see Charlie and Claire cooing over Aaron and Locke points at them.]
BOONE: Not them, they'll be fine -- for a while.
[Locke sees Sayid, Sun and Jin. He points as Jin and Sun argue. Sayid pats Jin's back.]
BOONE: I think Sayid's got it.
[Locke sees Hurley working as an Oceanic counter person. Hurley types the numbers into the computer.]
BOONE: Not Hurley.
[Locke sees Desmond dressed as a pilot walking and laughing with some beautiful flight attendants.]
BOONE: Forget it. He's helping himself.
[Locke sees Kate and Sawyer, very chummy in line. He sees Jack going through a metal detector, and getting wanded by Ben. Locke starts waving his arm frantically.]
BOONE: There's nothing you can do for them. Not yet. First you have to clean up your own mess.
[We can hear "clean up your own mess" being repeated in the background. Boone stares intently into Locke's face, then disappears. Locke is suddenly alone in the airport sitting at the bottom of three escalators. Boone appears at the top.]
BOONE: Come up here, John.
[We see Locke dragging himself up the escalator using his arms. When he gets to the top he puts his hand in a pool of blood and then sees Eko's stick.]
BOONE: Clean it up, John.
[We see that Boone is covered in blood with his shirt torn. He looks as he did in Locke's dream from Deus Ex Machina.]
BOONE: They've got him. You don't have much time.
[Suddenly Locke is back in the sweat lodge. He starts to leave and suddenly we see the image of a snarling polar bear's face. Locke stumbles out of the sweat lodge, frightened.]
CHARLIE: John! What happened? Are you alright?
[Locke picks up his knife and pulls it out of the sheath.]


What really struck me, apart from the very significant sentences "clean up your own mess" and "bring the family back together", was the escalator:I'm pretty sure this is a reference to Jacob's ladder (here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder_%28Bible%29) you can find more about it), meant to be the "bridge" between Heaven and Earth.
By the way, I had forgotten that the place where Jacob stopped and experienced this vision was Mount Moriah, the same name that appeared on the labels of the wine prepared by Desmond in the monastery...

Oooooooh! *trembles* You're good! :biggrin: (do we dare mention the movie by the name Jacob's Ladder?)

In lostpedia, it says under the trivia part for Further Instructions, the sound of the smoke monster can be heard when Locke is going up the escator in the vision. I haven't gone back and watched it yet. I see posts all the time about Smokie noises and I think 99% of them are ridiculous. But the folks over there seem to know whats up. Has anyone here noticed that?

In lostpedia, it says under the trivia part for Further Instructions, the sound of the smoke monster can be heard when Locke is going up the escator in the vision. I haven't gone back and watched it yet. I see posts all the time about Smokie noises and I think 99% of them are ridiculous. But the folks over there seem to know whats up. Has anyone here noticed that?

I just had a look at this - I think they're referring to when Locke is at the bottom of the escalator, just before Boone says "Come up here, John".

There are some strange noises, but I'm not sure if it's Smokie.

I just had a look at this - I think they're referring to when Locke is at the bottom of the escalator, just before Boone says "Come up here, John".

There are some strange noises, but I'm not sure if it's Smokie.


I read that it is a mechanical chain sound very similar to the one heard while Locke is being dragged by the monster in "Exodus" (Season1).
here's a youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1yZYc48oPA)about this...

By the way, I had forgotten that the place where Jacob stopped and experienced this vision was Mount Moriah, the same name that appeared on the labels of the wine prepared by Desmond in the monastery...

Actually, Jacob experienced his vision at Luz, which he then named Bethel, which is a ways north of Mount Moriah, which is part of Jerusalem.

Actually, Jacob experienced his vision at Luz, which he then named Bethel, which is a ways north of Mount Moriah, which is part of Jerusalem.

Indeed. Mont Moriah was the place according to the classic Jewish commentaries.. from Wikipedia:


The classic Jewish commentaries offer several interpretations of Jacob's ladder:
The place at which Jacob stopped for the night was in reality Mount Moriah, the future home of the Beit HaMikdash (Holy Temple). The ladder therefore signifies the "bridge" between Heaven and earth, as prayers and sacrifices offered in the Holy Temple soldered a connection between God and the Jewish people. Moreover, the ladder alludes to the Giving of the Torah as another connection between Heaven and earth. The Hebrew word for ladder, sulam - סלם - and the name for the mountain on which the Torah was given, Sinai- סיני - have the same gematria (numerical value of the letters).

I read that it is a mechanical chain sound very similar to the one heard while Locke is being dragged by the monster in "Exodus" (Season1).
here's a youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1yZYc48oPA)about this...

I just watched this and...I'm not convinced. Strange, but not the distinct smoke monster noise I've gotten famliar with. Thanks for the link!