I was so mad at Kate for running to Jack about Naomi and the phone. Sayid tells her not to say anything and she has to go act like she's twelve again and run to Jack to blab. I'm sorry but Kate has no sense this season. She had her own doubts about Jack's trustworthiness and she certainly didt trust Juliet. So why tell them both everything like that?

So it may turn out Jack and Juliet are working together and still on the Losties' side but Kate didn't know that. She really bugs.

Aaaaargh, Kate! Unbelievable. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. I was also aggrevated at her pointing out to Jack that NO ONE trusts him anymore. What was her motivation?

Kate trusts Jack. She probably knows him the best out of everyone on the island, and she still has faith that he knows what he's doing.

All I can think is that she, like pace said, is acting like a 12 yr old ... she likes jack but he likes juliet so she runs to him with anything and everything... i figured when she pulled away from sawyer to go back to her tent she would do something stupid....

I hate Kate at the moment. What a selfish female dog. lol She only thought of her own emotions and not the safety of the people.

I screamed at the TV when she did this. Not only was I made at that, but now I'm pretty sure she still loves Jack =[

I think she's still just trying to get back in Jack's good graces. At this point, and as odd as Jack is acting... I can't understand WHY anyone would want to be in his good graces. Grrr... I'm so mad at Kate!

I was a bit mad at our Kate too. Totally obvious attempt to get back into Jack's good graces by tattling on Sayid, Hurley, etc. Didn't really work though, did it?

Wow, I can't believe what the writers are doing with KATE this season. Do they want us to hate her? She has become truly selfish this year...I guess foreshadowing how SELFISH she was by killing her STEP FATHER.

She's killing me! What does she think she is doing!?! Is it about her being immature and jealous of Juliet? I mean, c'mon. She's all paired off with Sawyer now, so wtf is her problem??

If it's just about her trusting him as a leader and feeling like she knows him the best..... well, I still think she's an idiot. We don't know if Jack can be trusted!! GAAAH!

Its like Kate thought that if Jack realized NO ONE trusts him because of his closeness to Juliet, he would kick her to the curb, for the sake of being trusted again. And Kate would have what she wants....Jack, without Juliet attached at the hip.

yeah, she's being pretty ridiculous once again. I wonder how long it took her before she went tramping over to him. Silly Sayid should have known better than to trust that little girl to keep a secret from Jack. I agree that it's probably her love struck triangle bologna... she just needs to look like the good girl in front of Dr. Giggles :rolleyes:

Kate trusts Jack. She probably knows him the best out of everyone on the island, and she still has faith that he knows what he's doing.
I was thinking the exact opposite. She was looking for a way to humiliate Jack since she feels betrayed by him. Letting him know just how much faith everyone has lost in him was a way of rubbing some humility in his face.

Yep, I was shocked and angry with her too. She betrayed Sayid and the others just to go tell Jack so he would know they don't trust him anymore. :blink: :34853_huh: Why was it so critical for Jack to know that they don't trust him? Why did he need to know about what was going on? Why not give the guys a little more time? And why did she have to spill the whole thing right there in front of Juliet?? When he insisted that she could tell him anything in front of Juliet I would have turned heel and said "nevermind". (Well, I never would have gone to him in the first place.)

I know that Kate still trusts Jack (though I can't really get why after the way he's been the last few episodes) and she still has this driving need to be his right-hand gal, but honestly, she had to just turn her back on her fellow losties that way?? Like someone else above said, she has really been making some irrational choices lately. I don't know what's going on with her, but I'm not really liking it much.:irked:

All I can think is that she, like pace said, is acting like a 12 yr old ... she likes jack but he likes juliet so she runs to him with anything and everything... i figured when she pulled away from sawyer to go back to her tent she would do something stupid....

Go back and watch the first and second seasons, and Kate does exactly the same thing. When the fit hits the shan, she runs to Jack. She always has since the middle of the first season when they split between the caves and the beach.

I don't think Kate trusts Jack, but she really wants to. She wants old Jack back. Heck, so do I. She's trying to yell some sense into him by pointing out that things are happening in the camp that people don't want him involved in because they don't trust him. But it's obvious he doesn't care. That's gonna come to a head next week I suppose thanks to that tape James has.

She honestly could be putting the entire camp and their rescue mission at risk just so she could impress Jack. If I come to him with this, Jack will like me again. *slaps Kate*

I haven't liked the character Kate since Whatever the Case May Be. I couldn't believe she told on the B-Team either. It didn't feel like she was doing it to rub it in Jack's face. If she suspects Juliet of being a mole, then why in the world would she mention all that information in front of her??? I guess she just wants Jack to chase after her again...? She's such a strong, independent woman one minute and then she's a needy, fickle woman the next; I really don't understand what the writers are doing with her.

She honestly could be putting the entire camp and their rescue mission at risk just so she could impress Jack. If I come to him with this, Jack will like me again. *slaps Kate*

I don't get that at all. I get that she wants to know what's going on with Jack, and he's not saying anything. She wants to know where his head is, because he's not the Jack we used to know. He has definitely been different since he got back to camp.

It's Jack and Kate...the original shippers...they've been an item if only in our hearts since the beginning. They connected. Jack is acting weird, I'll give you that, but he's always the one they turned to when things got crazy...when he got back to the island, everyone was happy to see him. I don't think she was trying to get in his good graces again...I believe she really thought he should know, that he didn't necessarily deserve to be left out. Now, after the little exchange there at the end with Juliet, I would be surprised if she didn't become suspicious of him, but it seems appropriate that not until that moment would it have been justifiable in her eyes.

Wow, I totally read her telling him not as a "I'm gonna get back at Jack" thing but a "pull your head out of your butt" and be the leader we need thing. If you look back at the end of Season 1, Jack asks Kate if she has his back and she answers yes. This just showed that Kate does indeed have Jack's back—right or wrong and IMO, that's a good quality not a bad one. That said, if Kate has one allegiance outside of herself on the Island it's always been Jack so why wouldn't she tell him? She's about to see her friend hurt and doesn't want that to happen.

I haven't liked the character Kate since Whatever the Case May Be. I couldn't believe she told on the B-Team either. It didn't feel like she was doing it to rub it in Jack's face. If she suspects Juliet of being a mole, then why in the world would she mention all that information in front of her??? I guess she just wants Jack to chase after her again...? She's such a strong, independent woman one minute and then she's a needy, fickle woman the next; I really don't understand what the writers are doing with her. ITA. I could have understood (but not agree) on telling Jack when he was alone. He's got to be alone at some point, right? But in front of Juliet?? WTF???

Are the writers doing this on purpose??? :confused: :confused: :confused: They're totally destroying Kate (not that she was a strong character to start with. :drowsy: )

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for Kate

Since when has Kate ever done anything she was told to do? Jack told her to stay behind while he, Sawyer, and Locke went into the jungle. Kate didn't listen, and gets kidnapped. Kate went back for Jack when he told her not to ever come back. Kate runs tells Jack when Sayid told her to keep it a secret. Kate does the polar opposite of what she is told to do. What Sayid should have said was "Kate you have to run and tell Jack about this right now."

Since when has Kate ever done anything she was told to do? Jack told her to stay behind while he, Sawyer, and Locke went into the jungle. Kate didn't listen, and gets kidnapped. Kate went back for Jack when he told her not to ever come back. Kate runs tells Jack when Sayid told her to keep it a secret. Kate does the polar opposite of what she is told to do. What Sayid should have said was "Kate you have to run and tell Jack about this right now."

Great call! Kate is the most worhless character on the show right now. If the Losties were smart, they would strap her to the mast at the Black Rock and let her rot. She cramps everyone's style, and looks like a tool.

Her behavior does make for some hilarious moments where Jack (and Juliet) is concerned. Juliet's level of maturity (even if she is a snake) is so remarkably differant than Kate's high school antics. Jack (my favorite character) is obviously unimpressed by Kate, as he appears to be putting her down at every opportunity. Good for him!

I have to disagree with most of the opinions expressed on this thread. I think Kate was the only character on tonights episode that was behaving as an adult. It's Desmond and his crew who are behaving like children, keeping secrets to a select few that only they choose it admit into their secret club. Even though denying Naomi proper medical attention from the only person in the camp qualified to give it was clearly endangering her chances of getting them all rescued (not that there is any chance of Naomi rescuing them, she's clearly a plant from the Others).

Kate knows Jack better than anyone. She KNOWS that he can be trusted. I believe that Hurley, Charlie, and the other survivors should have trusted Kate's judgement on Jack rather than Desmond's, who has known any of them a far shorter time.

Alright, I have to come to Kate's defense here. Sure Kate has done some stupid stuff in the past, but this is still Kate and her going to Jack should be no surprise. She has gone to him since the FIRST SEASON. Jack asked her to have his back in the FIRST SEASON and she agreed. Nothing about that has changed. No matter who either of them hook up with, Kate will always have Jack's back. And she will trust him no matter what. Her going to him has nothing with being jealous of Juliet. I agree with the poster above who said Kate is trying to tell Jack to get his act together if he wants to be apart of the group again. Once again, if they don't work together, they're gonna die alone. Obviously, Jack and Juliet have got some plan going on and Juliet even wanted to fill Kate in. Jack does need to get his act together and Kate knows this and since she is the only one who has consistenly had his back, only she can be the one to tell him because no one else has the guts to. And maybe she is the only one he will listen to.

Kate hit her peak with me last year during LTDA in the "Bonnie and Clyde" scene. Her "in about five seconds I'm going to turn the tables on them" was kick ***, probably my favorite line of the episode.

But now, I hate Kate.

I was really ticked at Kate, too...

But I gotta say that she might have done everyone a favor. Now it's out that Juliet and Jack know something important and they aren't saying. I tell ya, if it was me that found out they were keeping a secret, I wouldn't stop until I found out what it was...

but that's just me. :cool:

Let's hope Kate does the same.

Alright, I have to come to Kate's defense here. Sure Kate has done some stupid stuff in the past, but this is still Kate and her going to Jack should be no surprise. She has gone to him since the FIRST SEASON. Jack asked her to have his back in the FIRST SEASON and she agreed. Nothing about that has changed. No matter who either of them hook up with, Kate will always have Jack's back. And she will trust him no matter what. Her going to him has nothing with being jealous of Juliet. I agree with the poster above who said Kate is trying to tell Jack to get his act together if he wants to be apart of the group again. Once again, if they don't work together, they're gonna die alone. Obviously, Jack and Juliet have got some plan going on and Juliet even wanted to fill Kate in. Jack does need to get his act together and Kate knows this and since she is the only one who has consistenly had his back, only she can be the one to tell him because no one else has the guts to. And maybe she is the only one he will listen to.

The only thing that Kate has consistenly done where Jack is concerned is go against his wishes. I think it can be argued that she doesn't know Jack as well as she thinks she does, and in the interest of the *community* would be better served erring on the side of caution where Jack's concerned (who admittedly is acting a bit off) instead of being his own private chatter box.

I agree w/ you on that one, Jonesy.

I believe Kate ran to Jack because she's willing to do anything to "make Jack like her again." Yeah, like someone in grade school, as others have said. She figures if she tells him a secret (what, all of a sudden, after being closed-mouthed for so long?), he'll start to confide in her again. It all goes along with Kate's jealousy over J's relationship w/ Juliet.

I am sure that this thread will be merged with the other "Kate is stupid" thread...but I have to say this. I think I am the only one in the Fuselage who thinks that Kate did what Sayid, Jin and company asked her to do. I think her annoying behavior and tatteling to Jack it was a part of some plan. I don't know why, but Sayid is too sly, and lies too easily to tell Kate anything that he doesn't want her to know. I think they are playing Jack. Kate is so angry at Jack that she would be thrilled to keep a secret from him and blondie...I think she is following a plan!

Kate hit her peak with me last year during LTDA in the "Bonnie and Clyde" scene. Her "in about five seconds I'm going to turn the tables on them" was kick ***, probably my favorite line of the episode.

But now, I hate Kate.

This season, the writers seem to hate her too.
Until tonight I held out hope we'd get back the old Kate.

Hope has left the island, if it is an island. I'm beginning to think Jacob is a frat boy and the whole mess is his fantasy.

Absolutely agree, WhiterRabbit! While Kate's actions were certainly clouded by other things as well and I'm not entirely pleased with her lately, what she did was almost sensible. Other than the fact that Juliette was there, of course.... Kate wants Jack to be the Great Trustworthy Leader again, and to pull the camp back together. None of all this secretive bs that's dividing everybody and seems to spell doom.... not that trusting Jack wouldn't necessarily be doom....

The only thing that Kate has consistenly done where Jack is concerned is go against his wishes. I think it can be argued that she doesn't know Jack as well as she thinks she does, and in the interest of the *community* would be better served erring on the side of caution where Jack's concerned (who admittedly is acting a bit off) instead of being his own private chatter box.

Yes, it could be argued that she doesn't know Jack as well as she thinks she does, but she would never admit that. IMO, all of her actions for Jack are based on their interaction from the first season. That is what she is going off of and that is the Jack she trusts and has faith in. Sure, Kate rarely acts rationally, but where would the drama be otherwise? Now that the cats out of the bag about how the rest of the camp feel about the "leader", things should get very interesting. Can't argue about that, right? ;)

Also, remember that while we've been riding the lost roller coaster for 3 years, it's only been about 3 months on the island. Jack firmly established himself as a hero and a leader. The "Live together, die alone" speech is like the Gettysburg address of Lost, and it didn't happen that long ago.

I think that what Kate did was somewhat reasonable. She told Jack to pull his head out of his *** and pulled a power play on Juliet by scapegoating her as the reason that Jack has lost respect and trust (which is true).

Hmm. It's not as if Jack hasn't been keeping secrets of his own, and Kate would be an idiot to think otherwise. She's just trying to get back into his good graces, and is obviously willing to sell out her other friends to reach that goal. Sad, Kate, very sad.

I'm not ticked at Kate but I sure am disappointed that she can't seem to let go of Jack and his approval. It seems to mean more to her than anything else on the Island including James. I think they're setting up a situation where she's really going to be torn about whose side she needs to take. Her heart will say Jack because it's been the two of them from the start but I believe her suspicious mind will finally kick in and she'll consider choosing the opposite side. Also, she's jeopardized her place in the camp because were beginnig to trust her again and now she's blown that! Hopefully, the upcoming episodes will shed more light on what she's thinking.

I was so mad at Kate for running to Jack about Naomi and the phone. Sayid tells her not to say anything and she has to go act like she's twelve again and run to Jack to blab. I'm sorry but Kate has no sense this season. She had her own doubts about Jack's trustworthiness and she certainly didt trust Juliet. So why tell them both everything like that?

So it may turn out Jack and Juliet are working together and still on the Losties' side but Kate didn't know that. She really bugs.

great thread.

sign me up for the "Kate is an absolute idiot this season" Club.

ugh.

Its already been said that the end of the season the Losties will divide and choose sides. Desmond is forming a group. Syaid told Kate to see what would happen? Its the beginning of the two side forming Jack vs Sawyer.

Kate is also expendable! IMO Kate is leaving ( dying on the show), Charlie ***Mod Edited*** is staying due to public demand. Ben most likely will die as well as some others...

Not only was I made at that, but now I'm pretty sure she still loves Jack =[

Her love for Jack is, and always has been, platonic. But it's an extremely strong motivator, and it obviously makes her trust him implicitly. (which seems pretty stupid to me)

TPTB are ruining her to soften the blow when she dies.
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I know this because I am from the past.

I totally saw it coming as soon as she came upon Sayid & Hurley on the beach.

On a different note, didn't Juliet's make up look all rosy & pretty? ;)

TPTB are ruining her to soften the blow when she dies. ***Mod Edited***
I know this because I am from the past.


I'd believe you if you were from the future.

...Even though denying Naomi proper medical attention from the only person in the camp qualified to give it was clearly endangering her chances of getting them all rescued (not that there is any chance of Naomi rescuing them, she's clearly a plant from the Others).

If so, it would tie in with Sayid's clear-headed interrogation of Naomi: "Did any of you actually see a helicopter?" He clearly smells a rat.

Perhaps the boys sent Kate to tell Jack, just to see what he would do. His detailed questions about the SatPhone indicates that none of this comes as a surprise to him.

I can't stand her now, I couldn't stand her before. She's always been like a little doggy following Jack around and trusting him no matter what. I think she's a fool, is annoying, selfish, childish and I don't want to see anymore of her!!

Wow, I could not believe Kate's impulsivity. So stupid what she did, when she was warned not to tell anyone. I can't stand her now

it may have been a stupid thing to do, but i believe she did it because she trusts jack and she wanted to convince him that he needs to earn back the trust of the losties by opening up to them. and she's right to trust jack, in my opinion. it may look like he's working with the others, but i can't believe he would do anything to betray or hurt the losties. he's a rescuer by nature.
and thank god kate did tell jack, because it got jack and juliet to reveal they have a secret. that was the biggest OMG moment of the episode for me.
it's sort of funny that people debate whether what these characters do is right or admirable. their inexplicable decision making is what drives the action of the show. i will have to reserve judgement on whether kate's decision to tell jack about naomi was a mistake until i figure out who is on whose side and what is really going on on this island (same thing for locke's decision to blow up the sub and communications station). decisions that seem stupid now may later seem like saving graces.
and to all the kate haters, give her a break. she's kind of crazy, but she's about the toughest female character i've ever seen on film. for that alone i have to love her. and who can blame her for being torn between sawyer and jack. i would be too.

I havent read through this whole thread, but it's possible that Sayid actually told her to go to Jack.

I am sure that this thread will be merged with the other "Kate is stupid" thread...but I have to say this. I think I am the only one in the Fuselage who thinks that Kate did what Sayid, Jin and company asked her to do. I think her annoying behavior and tatteling to Jack it was a part of some plan. I don't know why, but Sayid is too sly, and lies too easily to tell Kate anything that he doesn't want her to know. I think they are playing Jack. Kate is so angry at Jack that she would be thrilled to keep a secret from him and blondie...I think she is following a plan!

I'm with you. Sayid asks Kate if she can keep a secret and the very next thing we see her do is blab to Jack (in front of Juliet, no less!). It's a little too ridiculous, even for season 3 Kate. So I think she's working with Sayid and her talk with Jack and Juliet was designed to find out where their loyalties really lie.

Shes a woman, of course she cannot keep a secret. Thats why the guys should have kept it to themselves. :biggrin:

Shes a woman, of course she cannot keep a secret. Thats why the guys should have kept it to themselves. :biggrin:
*discreetly edges away from Steve to avoid becoming collateral damage*;)

Well, to wade into this thing....here's my 2 cents worth:

Let's say you're in a survival situation, where you have to depend on the person next to you,.Now, lets expand on this. Let's say that in this situation one of the first people you become friends/allies is someone who knowing that you have a dark past, gives you a second chance. This person then goes on to dedicate themself to those around them, routinely risking their health and well-being to help others...including carrying unstable dynamite AFTER watching someone else get blown to pieces. Now fast forward a bit: lets say this person all but signs a suicide pact to save you and another whom you care about from some decidedly unsavory characters. Wouldn't you trust them?

Now lets say that recently this person began acting rather strange after surviving and escaping said creepy folks. Considering the previous paragraph, wouldn't you be hurt and confused, but unwilling to consider that they would have suddenly switched sides? Seeing that this person who has done so much for you and the others getting themselves marginalized because of their strange behavior, wouldn't you grab onto something to try and shock them into coming to their senses before it's too late?



Be kind please..it's really late here:drowsy::drowsy:


And yes, I know I left out the hormones;)

^^^ Really good post, the first paragraph was a big reminder to me about how great Jack has been the past 3 years...

HOWEVER, I still am quite displeased with Kate right now. To be frank, she's been acting like a horny middle schooler as of late.

The vibe I got from her telling Jack was not just "get your head out your ***", not was it just "hey, I'm telling you something, take me back"...it was a little bit of both imo. Her telling Jack that nobody trusted him anymore was obviously coming from an individual that wants her old leader back, but her quickness with pointing out that Juliet was the cause was pure jealousy. She knew damn well that she could have approached Jack when he was alone...she purposely had to do the whole "I need to speak to you alone" thing, just to size up Jack and Juliet, and I'm glad that Jack didn't bite.

Someone mentioned earlier that they have only been on the island for 3 months....just THREE MONTHS! One of my concerns with the show has always been how (Possibly unrealistically) close people have gotten throughout that small period of time...and when characters do something like Kate did tonight those fears are fueled even more. Isn't the overall goal of everyone still supposed to be GETTING OFF THE ISLAND? As much as Kate may love/trust/adore Jack, she needs to realize that what she did may be detrimental to them getting rescued! If I was Sayid and everyone else I would be FURIOUS right now, how dare Kate go behind their backs and spill the beans so quickly, RIGHT IN FRONT OF JULIET! I just hate the comfort level between these people sometimes....on one end I understand that the show is much better with people having real emotions and relationships with one another, but on the other hand it can be really annoying at times knowing that people simply wouldn't be so cozy like this in real life. To hell with jacks friends, to hell with trust, to hell with love triangles, just get off the island Kate!

I think the answer to Kate's behavior lies in her comment to Sawyer when she leaves his tent, "Old habits die hard". She told Jack because that's what she always does. The question is did Sayid set her up knowing what she would do? (perhaps like Ben is doing with Juliet?).

Also, I agree with the poster about Juliet. She's beginning to look angelic.

Maybe the writers just set all this up to cause tension if/when we determine Kate is pregnant. Then it will be who will Jack chooses.

What's confusing to me is Richard's comment. Is the terminal pregnancy a real issue?

Juliet, angelic? I don't think so, I think she just found some of the makeup that Claire uses on the island!! Or maybe they have an estee lauder somewhere in the jungle!!

Kate runs to Sawyer for hugs and kisses, she runs to Jack for answers and direction. Nothing new here. Sayid knew she would tell.

Good point about the pregnancy issue. Not to get too far afield but it's possible that Ben has been killing these women and they were never in any danger from their pregnancies. It could all be a con on Juliet to keep her there thinking she has a problem she needs to solve. Richard seemed to indicate the fertility research was nonsense, he didn't seem concerned about women dying.

But back to Kate, I dont think she was following Sayid's orders. When Charlie told Sayid they hadn't told Jack, Sayid gave him a pat on the back in praise. Sayid doesn't trust Jack right now and no way to want Kate to tell him. The point is that trust is breaking down all over the camp and Kate defying Sayid was another sign of that.

I do think though that Kate telling Jack in front of Juliet was partly her way of trying to stick it to Juliet by acting like she has valuable information in hopes that Jack would value her. Juliet of course, very subtly stuc it right back to her by hinting clearly that she and Jack are keeping a secret from Kate. Juliet handled Kate very well, she slapped her right back down.

But ironically, I do agree that this will force the truth to come out about what Jack is up to so hopefully the camp will reunify before its too late. Ben did tell Locke to warn the camp that an attack is coming and what did Locke do? He took Cooper's corpse and went off with the Others. Hopefully James will pass the warning on.

I adore Kate. I think she is trying to be a good friend to Jack, to illustrate how far he has fallen. Plus, she values his insight. I think it'll turn out to be a good move

Let's say you're in a survival situation, where you have to depend on the person next to you,.Now, lets expand on this. Let's say that in this situation one of the first people you become friends/allies is someone who knowing that you have a dark past, gives you a second chance. This person then goes on to dedicate themself to those around them, routinely risking their health and well-being to help others...including carrying unstable dynamite AFTER watching someone else get blown to pieces. Now fast forward a bit: lets say this person all but signs a suicide pact to save you and another whom you care about from some decidedly unsavory characters. Wouldn't you trust them?

Now lets say that recently this person began acting rather strange after surviving and escaping said creepy folks. Considering the previous paragraph, wouldn't you be hurt and confused, but unwilling to consider that they would have suddenly switched sides? Seeing that this person who has done so much for you and the others getting themselves marginalized because of their strange behavior, wouldn't you grab onto something to try and shock them into coming to their senses before it's too late?


Be kind please..it's really late here:drowsy::drowsy:

And yes, I know I left out the hormones;) Alaskannut, your post puts the perspective on this. Kate knows that Jack has not turned and started working for the Others, and that he can be trusted even though he's sponsoring this seeming infiltrator. I think it was the opportunity to shake him into his senses and see the folly of his bizarre trust of Juliet.
I haven't been happy with Kate's immature behavior of late and the writers have really done a disservice to her character by having her behave like a impulsive jealous brat, and on the surface this is just more of it so I really understand where other posters are coming from. But I think it was really her fundamental trust in Jack as a leader, and her need to prod him out of his strange behavior that motivated her to go to him.
I actually don't think this was an attempt to get back in his graces romantically - she seems to have resigned herself to whatever she has with Sawyer at the moment. But given her recent history it does make her look foolish and Jack didn't cut her any slack. Can't blame him for that.

I'm in the "Sayid told her to tell Jack" camp. Kate can be just as sly as a lot of the other characters on the island, as we've seen from the flashbacks. I think she was all too happy to play along in order to drive a wedge between Jack and Julia (not that it worked out that way). Sayid might be setting this in motion to find out if Jack CAN be trusted any more.

Wow, I totally read her telling him not as a "I'm gonna get back at Jack" thing but a "pull your head out of your butt" and be the leader we need thing. If you look back at the end of Season 1, Jack asks Kate if she has his back and she answers yes. This just showed that Kate does indeed have Jack's back—right or wrong and IMO, that's a good quality not a bad one. That said, if Kate has one allegiance outside of herself on the Island it's always been Jack so why wouldn't she tell him? She's about to see her friend hurt and doesn't want that to happen.

I'm with you. This is what I got from the moment. I think back to when Jack saved Kate and Sawyer. When she was repeating the story to him to prove she was safe, the tears that welled up in her eyes told me she feels connected to him, she trusts him more than anyone. Jack is the leader holding these people together and she wants to kick that Jack in the butt and make him open his eyes again. Desmond pointed it out -- can we trust Jack? Well, Kate trusts him. More than anyone. Sure, there is a tinge of jealousy with Juliet, but her anger (I feel) is that there are important things happening in the camp and Jack needs to be aware of them.

As to whether or not Sayid wanted Kate to tell Jack to gauge his trust, that may be true but quite speculative at this point. Sayid has no problem working independently and if he wanted to include Jack he would have. Jack was the only one he went to when he doubted Michael's intentions.

so OVER Kate's character...

I have to disagree with most of the opinions expressed on this thread. I think Kate was the only character on tonights episode that was behaving as an adult. It's Desmond and his crew who are behaving like children, keeping secrets to a select few that only they choose it admit into their secret club. Even though denying Naomi proper medical attention from the only person in the camp qualified to give it was clearly endangering her chances of getting them all rescued (not that there is any chance of Naomi rescuing them, she's clearly a plant from the Others).

Kate knows Jack better than anyone. She KNOWS that he can be trusted. I believe that Hurley, Charlie, and the other survivors should have trusted Kate's judgement on Jack rather than Desmond's, who has known any of them a far shorter time.

I've highlighted one passage above because it seems to me that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Jack and Juliet also have a SECRET little club of their own, just for two, and they're not sharing whatever information they have either. Jack's determination to be in control of everything - and in this case information is power - has always been the weakness of his leadership IMHO. If he and Juliet have knowledge, or some plan they're hatching, and it affects the rest of the survivors' wellbeing, then those people have the right to know about it.

Admittedly, Desmond has his own agenda and if I were the rest of the 'B' team, I'd be watching him closely. That said, however, I can't fault the 'B' team for not trusting Jack. Since his return, he hasn't been acting in a trustworthy manner. His instance that they trust Juliet just because HE says so didn't wash, and for good reason. She's a member of a group that's done them great harm in the past. Kidnapping Claire, hanging Charlie, kidnapping Walt and blowing up the raft - these are not small things.

Their lack of trust in Jack is about to be proven even more grounded in reality as he is, in fact, keeping important secrets from them about things they have every right to know about. And when it turns out this information needs to be responded to, they have a right to participate in the making of any kind of plan about it. So go 'B' team for following their instincts and NOT trusting the guy who simply isn't acting like he deserves to be trusted right now.

All that to say that I think Kate was trying to get Jack to take his head out of his butt. I think she's very troubled by the divisions in the camp. She trusts Jack and has very much embraced the "live together, die alone" philosophy he first espoused back at the beginning. Now she sees Jack seemingly pulling away from that, isolating himself from the group and not taking their very reasonable reservations about Juliet into account. However, her attempt to get through to him with some painful home truths about the state of morale, and about the current state of his "leadership" in the camp, failed completely. Jack now has the 'B' teams info, but he's STILL unwilling to share HIS info with them. (Far from being a "reluctant" leader any more, he really now seems to see himself as being above the other survivors, an authority figure whose word should be good enough for them, no matter what. If that rebounds on him, he'll have only himself to blame.) As for Kate, I think she was trying to resolve a disconnect between the way she thinks of Jack and the way he's acting right now. That didn't work out so well for her, so I'm not sure how she's going to feel or react going forward from this encounter.

All JMO, of course.

Alaskannut, your post puts the perspective on this. Kate knows that Jack has not turned and started working for the Others, and that he can be trusted even though he's sponsoring this seeming infiltrator. I think it was the opportunity to shake him into his senses and see the folly of his bizarre trust of Juliet.
I haven't been happy with Kate's immature behavior of late and the writers have really done a disservice to her character by having her behave like a impulsive jealous brat, and on the surface this is just more of it so I really understand where other posters are coming from. But I think it was really her fundamental trust in Jack as a leader, and her need to prod him out of his strange behavior that motivated her to go to him.
I actually don't think this was an attempt to get back in his graces romantically - she seems to have resigned herself to whatever she has with Sawyer at the moment. But given her recent history it does make her look foolish and Jack didn't cut her any slack. Can't blame him for that.

Mom,

I agree with both you and Alaskannut. Kate's trust in Jack has been because he has always had her back. And hopefully, now that the air is about to be cleared, he still does. I think Kate also wanted to give Jack a kick in the pants about how he was interacting with the Losties, and while she was at it, poke at Juliet. Kate is jealous of Juliet.

I dislike though what the writers have done to Kate this season overall. She has degraded herself as a woman, by settling for sex with a man she doesn't appear to love (she didn't even want to be seen leaving Sawyer's tent). She is acting very immature. Spoon licking to get Jack's attention. Sex because she's jealous of Jack and Juliet having a meal together. ICK.

Please writers. Make Kate more like the Kate from S1. Strong, reliable, smart. Helpful. A Leader. Someone we can cheer for again. I'm afraid though, with the whole pregnancy story-line -- she'll be a weepy beach dweller who's only story will be "woe is me."

While I think it is a huge risk, I can't see a better way to get to the bottom of the true nature of Jack AND, more importantly, Juliet. Of course, Sawyer is going to bring news of Juliet's true nature. Jack will be the one tested when he discovers Juliet's nature.

Maybe this isn't what Kate had in mind, but it WILL be what shakes out of the fallout.

After thought: With promise of a way off the island, will Juliet change her course and warn of the impending raid?

I think Jack already knows about Juliette. When Sawyer brings the tape back Jack will defend and protect Juliette, because he's been in on her and Ben's plan all along. Juliette and Jack have a plan that will bring Ben down, but what they don't know is that Ben is one step ahead of them. Ben already knows that Juliette will betray him and side with Jack. This is why Jack and Juliette's plan will fail and some losties will die for it. Jack has this "I am King" attitude where he thinks he's incharge and has everyone's best interests at heart". I agree with Dezdemona, what gives Jack the right to make a decisions and plans for everyone and not warn them about upcoming danger. I think that this will back fire on him and cause the break within the camp. Also, I think the time of Kate chasing him like a little kid who seeks permission and approval from their parent is coming to an end. She needs to wise up and stop acting like a child.

I think there were multiple reasons Kate told Jack. One I think it is because she is in love with him. But the other (which is tied to the former) is that Kate hates to see that Jack is being treated as an outcast and is setting himself up to be an outcast. In the dialouge you can see she is trying to emphisize this point and disappointed when Jack doesn't react to it. He is concerned about something else. Yes Kate has been a bit annoying this season, but hey they are human. Not always doing or acting the best. Hopefully she snaps out of it eventually.

All that to say that I think Kate was trying to get Jack to take his head out of his butt. I think she's very troubled by the divisions in the camp. She trusts Jack and has very much embraced the "live together, die alone" philosophy he first espoused back at the beginning. Now she sees Jack seemingly pulling away from that, isolating himself from the group and not taking their very reasonable reservations about Juliet into account. However, her attempt to get through to him with some painful home truths about the state of morale, and about the current state of his "leadership" in the camp, failed completely. Jack now has the 'B' teams info, but he's STILL unwilling to share HIS info with them. (Far from being a "reluctant" leader any more, he really now seems to see himself as being above the other survivors, an authority figure whose word should be good enough for them, no matter what. If that rebounds on him, he'll have only himself to blame.) As for Kate, I think she was trying to resolve a disconnect between the way she thinks of Jack and the way he's acting right now. That didn't work out so well for her, so I'm not sure how she's going to feel or react going forward from this encounter.

All JMO, of course.

Exactly as I saw it.

I agree with Dezdemona, what gives Jack the right to make a decisions and plans for everyone and not warn them about upcoming danger.

They gave him the right when they chose to make him the leader against his wishes. The vast majority of the survivors are sheep and just want to follow someone (I'm not talking about the cast here, but the "red shirts").

As much as I like Sayid, he has trust issues and always has. Kate does too, but Jack has apparently earned her respect enough that she ignores them when it comes to him. I'm not sure what Jack and Juliet have in mind, but I have no doubt that Jack thinks he's doing what's right for the survivors. Jack's my favorite character, but he can be very arrogant when people question his actions.

I think Juliet let Jack in on Ben's plan when they were sitting on the beach and she asked why he trusted her. I think they devised a plan to turn the tables, but I'm not sure how. Eventually someone will turn the tables on Ben and one of his manipulations will backfire. Is it this one? Not likely since Ben told Locke about the impending raid, which makes no sense if he doesn't trust Locke. The only explanation I can come up with is that Ben wanted Locke to warn the survivors which means he will be expecting resistance.

Sayid and Hurley are stupid for playing with the phone out in the open like that. Sayid's stupid for telling Kate the truth; he should have just made up some lie. Kate was stupid for telling Jack. They're all stupid;)

That said, I wonder how long they would have been able to keep Naomi holed up in Des' tent without anyone noticing. Seems like kind of a conspicuous hiding place. What if she had to pee??

Kate was an idiot for going to Jack but at the same time how annoying was Jack with his stupid *** "anything you have to say you can say infront of her" talking about Juliet. Give me a break like they're relationship is THAT serious not to mention Juliet's not the smartest either saying that they should tell her right in front of her.

Correct me here if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Kate doesn't trust Juliet as far as she can throw her. Okay, so she has blind trust in Jack, but she is still suspicious of Juliet, and whatever her reasons were for spilling the beans, she did it in front of Juliet. Sorry, that was just idiotic.

Correct me here if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Kate doesn't trust Juliet as far as she can throw her. Okay, so she has blind trust in Jack, but she is still suspicious of Juliet, and whatever her reasons were for spilling the beans, she did it in front of Juliet. Sorry, that was just idiotic.

I think the point of telling Jack in front of Juliette was to let her know what she's done to Jack by insisting on being with the Losties. I think on some level Juliette really likes Jack and Kate knows that and was attempting to play to that emotion in Juliette. Just because Kate has been acting foolish this season doesn't mean she became dumb. There's a bigger picture here we're just not seeing yet.

I think the point of telling Jack in front of Juliette was to let her know what she's done to Jack by insisting on being with the Losties. I think on some level Juliette really likes Jack and Kate knows that and was attempting to play to that emotion in Juliette. Just because Kate has been acting foolish this season doesn't mean she became dumb. There's a bigger picture here we're just not seeing yet.

In that light, Kate looks even more foolish, IMO. She was willing to sell out her friends to someone whom she doesn't trust, for the sake of making a point? Obviously there is a bigger picture, and perhaps in the end it will turn out that filling in Jack was beneficial, but from the standpoint of the present, it was a very dumb move ... unless you're saying that Kate trusts Juliet with important information at this point in time. JMO.

Kate doesn't know that Jack is still looking out for the group's best interests; she just hopes it's so. A few posters have reminded us that only three months have gone by. Juliet pointed out for us a few episodes ago that Kate doesn't really know Jack all that well. She has no idea what went on after she left Alcatraz, but she does know that the Others are crafty, manipulative, and apparently willing to use brainwashing techniques. Jack's been acting strangely, he won't tell anything about his time with the Others or what he's learned, and he's been determined to prevent the one person who might have real answers--Juliet--from being placed under any pressure to deliver those answers. If Kate isn't uncertain of Jack, she's not loyal, she's blind.

Kate thinks Jack needs a wake up call? Fine, give him one. But she didn't have to give up the information about the parachutist. And she certainly didn't have to give it up in front of Juliet. I think Kate's motivations were mixed: she's hurt that she's no longer Jack's confidante, she's genuinely worried about the future, and it troubles her to see Jack out of the loop. But she went about addressing those troubles the wrong way.

She's a MOLE...

After reading through all the posts, I've started to think that maybe Kate isn't an idiot.

Kate has a big card to play (secret parachutist) to put pressure on Jack to figure out what is going on with him. If he knows right now, even if he has been turned by the Others, what can Jack or Juliet really do? Nobody in camp trusts either one of them right now, not even Hurley. The combination of Sayid, Desmond and Jin - all with military training - means that parachute girl is pretty safe. And I think that they would take Jack out if they thought that it jeopardized their getting off the island.

And, by playing that card, she got Jack/Juliet to reveal a secret-that they have some sort of plan-that will have to come out if they want to quell the reigning hostile feelings towards them. Kate forced them to play their hand, which is something that I think would work strategically in Sayid and Co.'s favor.

The only thing that Kate has consistenly done where Jack is concerned is go against his wishes. I think it can be argued that she doesn't know Jack as well as she thinks she does, and in the interest of the *community* would be better served erring on the side of caution where Jack's concerned (who admittedly is acting a bit off) instead of being his own private chatter box.

I am beginning to wonder if she views Jack as this educated father figure type that she must hang around. I am more and more surprised by the high school antics she engages in, the idea that she could kill her stepfather right after purchasing life insurance, the really bad idea to rob the bank for the toy plane, etc. I watched that scene recently where she says "I never voted" and it struck me as not some kind of rebellious thing, but some kind of ignorant thing. Sawyer's reaction was like that too, sort of, "huh? You never voted?!"

I also think she doesn't understand Jack like she thinks she does. I DO agree that Juliet was full of it when she started quoting statistics that were supposed to prove she knew more details about Jack than Kate did- that means nothing- but I think neither of them really know Jack. And I think that Juliet is an educated doctor and Kate hasn't even voted yet. and I think people aren't addressing that.

Don

I am sure that this thread will be merged with the other "Kate is stupid" thread...but I have to say this. I think I am the only one in the Fuselage who thinks that Kate did what Sayid, Jin and company asked her to do. I think her annoying behavior and tatteling to Jack it was a part of some plan. I don't know why, but Sayid is too sly, and lies too easily to tell Kate anything that he doesn't want her to know. I think they are playing Jack. Kate is so angry at Jack that she would be thrilled to keep a secret from him and blondie...I think she is following a plan!

Thank you! I could not believe that it took me this long to find someone with the same opinion as myself. This is what LOST has been about time and time again; pushing us all in the wrong direction, to the point of hating people, and then bringing us all back around again. I remember when everyone HATED Sawyer and that "he'd be off the show if it wasn't for his body". But, that doesn't seem to be the case now. We, as the viewers, are informed as to why Kate went and told Jack, but I'm willing to bet that you're exactly correct - Sayid has a plan.

I agree with all that also MarineOne. Hoo yaah! Of all people on the island, Sayid is by far the least stupid. I really think he knew what Kate was going to do, go blab blab blab to Jack. So he tells her maybe part of the truth or something not important in order for her to go to Jack. I wouldn't be surprised at him watching her interact with Juliet and Jack in order to read body language. He interrogated people and that is his specialty.

To sum up, Kate is acting off and emotional and Sayid played into that. Thank god the Losties have Sayid. Just in observation, he is the only one with a brain currently. But I may be proved wrong in the coming episodes if Jack really does have some plan. We'll see!