Sayid seemed suspicious of NAomi- does he really think she's lying or was he just investigating? Seemed to me like he didn't trust her. . .and I generally trust Sayid.

Sayid doesn't trust anybody upon first meeting. One has to earn his trust, and rightly so.

They shouldn't trust her. They have no idea where she came from. Sayid's reaction was smart and logical. The best decision Charlie, Hurley, Jin and Desmond could make was to go straight to Sayid. He's the only person who knows how to handle a situation like this.

Sayid asked if they say the helicopter. . .didn't they? They saw its lights and heard it.

I don't really trust her either. Does anyone remember what she said to Sayid when she was showing him the phone? Something about him not being rescued or something?

Ben, Patchy.... Sayid's so used to people turing out to be Others, it's no wonder.

I don't trust her either. I thought for someone who had just been saved from near death and all that that she was awfully snarky with Sayid. When she asked him his name, it was as though she wanted to be sure to remember it when the time came.

I don't really trust her either. Does anyone remember what she said to Sayid when she was showing him the phone? Something about him not being rescued or something?
She asked him his name so "I can remember not to rescue you, Sayid."

I thought this was an excellent exchange! It's made me think about the following things:

- Sayid is usually right about people (Benry, Mikhail, Shannon). I suppose it is his military/torturer background that makes him so astute. Or his innate ability made him a good soldier. In any case, I think his current suspicion of Jack and Naomi are very worthwhile pursuits.

- If Naomi is a plant, she is not a plant from the Ben faction of Others. As far as we've been shown, Ben and his cohorts have no knowledge of Desmond. Naomi says her mission is to find Desmond. She appears to be surprised that that are other inhabitants on the island and that they are from a supposedly devastated plane.

-I think we may finally have a decent female counterpart for Sayid on the island. She's witty and smart. Also, fearless. I hope they don't make her into a love interest because that's kind of staid.

I am looking forward to some more good conversations if she survives and she's not a mole.

....I am looking forward to some more good conversations .....
Like why she didn't tell them she was not alone. Hmmmm

So far if you think about it Sayid has not once, not one single time been wrong about any of his suspicions of people and who they really are. I think he was just investigating like we always want him to but once he saw that phone he seemed to have changed his mind and trusts her and if he does i do based on his past judgements.

So far if you think about it Sayid has not once, not one single time been wrong about any of his suspicions of people and who they really are. I think he was just investigating like we always want him to but once he saw that phone he seemed to have changed his mind and trusts her and if he does i do based on his past judgements.

I was hesitant to write that he's never been wrong because I couldn't remember all his suspicions. But now that you've written it- I'm fully on the bandwagon! Sayid is better than a truth serum!

I don't think that Sayid was buying her story.....neither was I. I trust his intuition.

I loved when he said, "Good," after Charlie told him they didn't mention it to Jack. Sayid's the MAN! And he knows it! He better make it 'til next season!

Like why she didn't tell them she was not alone. Hmmmm

She told them she was part of a search and rescue mission, with a ship 80 miles west of the Island's position. So I do think she told them she was not alone.

She told them she was part of a search and rescue mission, with a ship 80 miles west of the Island's position. So I do think she told them she was not alone.

Well, actually I thought she meant I'm not alone on the island. But, ok, that's my interpretation.

I loved when he said, "Good," after Charlie told him they didn't mention it to Jack. Sayid's the MAN! And then he tells Kate, who runs right to Jack and Juliet. Ugh. :mad:

Well, actually I thought she meant I'm not alone on the island. But, ok, that's my interpretation.

you think that some of her fellow searchers are on the island as well? or she jumped with someone else? or that she's actually a plant from another faction of Others?

She asked him his name so "I can remember not to rescue you, Sayid."

Wasn't it "remind me not to rescue you, Sayid".

And at that moment, I became a Naomi fan. :biggrin:

I agree with Peepstone, a great character to play off Sayid. I almost thought she was flirting with him. When she said "I am not alone" in DOC she meant the ship. Penny sent her for Desmond. Great exchange, go Sayid!

So far if you think about it Sayid has not once, not one single time been wrong about any of his suspicions of people and who they really are. I think he was just investigating like we always want him to but once he saw that phone he seemed to have changed his mind and trusts her and if he does i do based on his past judgements.

Yeah, I think Sayid was initially suspicious, but after seeing the phone, trusts her.

And not only did Sayid become convinced by the phone, Naomi knew immediately that it would dispel his suspicions and pulled it out to show them (after making the "remind me not to rescue you Sayid" comment).

Naomi has quickly jumped into being my favorite female character.

you think that some of her fellow searchers are on the island as well? or she jumped with someone else? or that she's actually a plant from another faction of Others?

I go with the assumtion that you don't fly a helicopter alone (expecially if you are on a search and rescue unit); there is always a pilot and a co-pilot. So I assume they both jumped.
Now, on a totally different line of thought, she might also be a plant. But we don't have any clue at the moment. Lost has so many twists and turns :biggrin:

Yeah, I think Sayid was initially suspicious, but after seeing the phone, trusts her.

And not only did Sayid become convinced by the phone, Naomi knew immediately that it would dispel his suspicions and pulled it out to show them (after making the "remind me not to rescue you Sayid" comment).

Naomi has quickly jumped into being my favorite female character.

What after the entire 20 odd lines she's spoke to date?

What after the entire 20 odd lines she's spoke to date?

It's just a hunch.

On another note... how do you bail out of a falling helicopter again?

. how do you bail out of a falling helicopter again?

Real quick:biggrin:

I go with the assumtion that you don't fly a helicopter alone (expecially if you are on a search and rescue unit); there is always a pilot and a co-pilot. So I assume they both jumped.
Now, on a totally different line of thought, she might also be a plant. But we don't have any clue at the moment. Lost has so many twists and turns :biggrin:

Geez-o! I never thought about that. I'm pretty sure you are right at helicopters don't go up alone. Especially custom made elite helicopters with all the tech tricks in the book! There's a Naomi friend out there somewhere! Whether he or she is in the ocean or dead has yet to be determined!

I started a thread on this and how Sayid's interaction with Naomi relates to Jack's scene with Kate and Juliet. I was told it's being discussed here, so here's my take on it all:

I found Sayid's immediate mistrust of Naomi to be foreboding... Sayid has a strong track record of having dead-on instinct with his ability to read people and determine if someone's telling the truth.Before Sayid entered the tent he smiled and said, "Good," when told Jack didn't know. After hearing Naomi's story, he immediately turns and asks Desmond, "Did you actually see her helicopter?" He tells Naomi, "I take it you have no means whatsoever of communicating with your freighter?" She shows him the fancy radio-phone and Sayid reacts stunned, as if maybe she's telling the truth. I don't think he expected her to have a communication device.
Naomi then snapped at him, "Remind me not to get you rescued, Sayid."

On to Jack: notice his reaction to the news? First he seemed baffled no one had told him. When Kate first tells Jack that no one trusts him, he and Juliet exchange a look that seems to read, "we thought this might happen." Throughout the entire exchange with Kate, he and Juliet kept glancing at each other knowingly.

Then he asks a strange question: "How [is she supposed to contact her people]?" Kate doesn't seem to acknowledge the relevance and keeps trying to reiterate that no one trusts Jack because of Juliet, but he keeps (rudely) cutting her off and asking, "How?"

Once Kate told him she has a "radio-thingy," he jumped up and started over to the tent.

It seems evident to me that not only were Jack and Juliet expecting someone to "drop" in, but he reacted strongly to the notion of this woman contacting anyone.As always with this show, I think there's a perfectly good explanation for Jack's actions and Sayid's mistrust, and that it's only a matter of time until we understand WHY Jack acted so (seemingly) callous towards Kate. The more I watch this show, the more I'm convinced everything is a misdirection, only to surprise us later.
In essence, I believe Naomi is from a faction reacting to the end of communications with the Flame--her story is bull. The only question is... why did she have a pic of Desmond, and how does she know the name of Penelope Widmore??

In essence, I believe Naomi is from a faction reacting to the end of communications with the Flame--her story is bull. The only question is... why did she have a pic of Desmond, and how does she know the name of Penelope Widmore??

Do you think that Naomi is working with the Ben Others? Or a different faction?

As for her knowing about Desmond and Penny- how was there a file with information on the man Sawyer murdered? These Others have ways of getting information and objects that suit their purposes, i.e., Cooper, Sawyer's past, everyone else's past as well, Kate's horse, Sayid's cat. The box that the Others know about is producing items that mean something to everyone. That's my best guess for the origin of the photo if Naomi is a plant.

I don't think they should trust Naomi, yet. They need to either make her radio-phone work or get more information somehow.
Naomi knowing about Desmond and Penny proves nothing since the Others apparently know all about everyone anyway.

Do you think that Naomi is working with the Ben Others? Or a different faction?

I guess that's REALLY the question...Jack and Juliet (imo) seemed to anticipate her arrival. We really need to know more about what those two actually know before making an inference.

It's been long speculated that there are two factions... Maybe we'll find out more next week.

I guess that's REALLY the question...Jack and Juliet (imo) seemed to anticipate her arrival. We really need to know more about what those two actually know before making an inference.

It's been long speculated that there are two factions... Maybe we'll find out more next week.

I've always thought there were at least three- dirty feet others, others we didn't quite know about yet, and our Losties. Because our Losties are Others to the other Others. :)

Is there a chance that Naomi is working for the Others AND Penny? If Widmore (Charles or Industries?) is somehow involved, couldn't Naomi have been sent to reestablish communication with the Others and, as a secondary mission, find Desmond for Penny? Therefore, she could be sent to create despair, fear and confusion for the plane survivors, but also to save Des... Right?

Is there a chance that Naomi is working for the Others AND Penny? If Widmore (Charles or Industries?) is somehow involved, couldn't Naomi have been sent to reestablish communication with the Others and, as a secondary mission, find Desmond for Penny? Therefore, she could be sent to create despair, fear and confusion for the plane survivors, but also to save Des... Right?


wow! i like it! :)

Naomi is a part of the Dharma Initiative and was sent to see what is wrong on the island....after they lost communication because of Locke blowing up the Flame station. Penny Widmore is actually a part of Dharma as well, we just don't know it yet. Naomi is not alone, someone else was with her on the helicopter but he hasn't surfaced just yet. The Others were inputting numbers into the computers to keep up the false front that the Dharma Initiative was still alive and well on the island, and now that the communication has ceased they are sending in people to investigate.

What I find suspicious of Naomi's alleged rescue mission is that this 'rescue attempt' was initiated at night. Who launches a rescue operation in the middle of the night? Especially with a helicopter - what do you expect to see on the ground? Even if her supervisors had intended the rescue operation to take more than a couple hours, and they expected to have to look around a while - why only send one person? Why go by helicopter instead of sending a landing team by boat? And still, why wouldn't you begin your search during the daytime?

Naomi may have been sent by Penny, but Penny's last name is Widmore, and I believe Mr. Widmore has some investment in the Island. Like, constructing several large underground research facilities. Henry Gale's baloon wasn't made by Widmore Industries by coincidence. I bet the old man's been trying to find the Island for quite some time now, and Naomi is just one of his agents. She wasn't looking for Desmod at night, she was sent in to infiltrate the Island by night so that she wouldn't be detected.

The very single explanation for why she might have been sent when and how she was is that someone sent her from the 'freighter' in the middle of the night while there wouldn't be as many of the crew on deck to stop her. If Penny's on board, and she sent Naomi to find Desmond, she did it against daddy's orders. That is, if daddy's still alive. Even Sayid said he had never seen anything like the radio Naomi had given him. My prediction is that Mr. Widmore has been dead for a while, and Penny's gonna be old enough to be Desmond's mother by the time they're reunited.

Well, actually I thought she meant I'm not alone on the island. But, ok, that's my interpretation.

I thought the same thing. 80 miles isn't exactly close by in terms of not being alone.

I thought the same thing. 80 miles isn't exactly close by in terms of not being alone.

Yeah, unless the boaters can teleport! She's totally not talking about her heli pal who's lurking somewhere on the island!

I thought the same thing. 80 miles isn't exactly close by in terms of not being alone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say 18 nautical miles?

And then he tells Kate, who runs right to Jack and Juliet. Ugh. :mad:

Although, we didn't see what happened immediately before this, and I think we normally would. Perhaps Sayid sent her to tell Jack, just to see what Jack would do.
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Is there a chance that Naomi is working for the Others AND Penny? If Widmore (Charles or Industries?) is somehow involved, couldn't Naomi have been sent to reestablish communication with the Others and, as a secondary mission, find Desmond for Penny? Therefore, she could be sent to create despair, fear and confusion for the plane survivors, but also to save Des... Right?

If Charles Widmore is behind Naomi (rather than Penny Widmore), she may be there to kill Desmond.

Although, we didn't see what happened immediately before this, and I think we normally would. Perhaps Sayid sent her to tell Jack, just to see what Jack would do.
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If Charles Widmore is behind Naomi (rather than Penny Widmore), she may be there to kill Desmond.

oh please no! that would be so incredibly diabolical!

If Charles Widmore is behind Naomi (rather than Penny Widmore), she may be there to kill Desmond.


*shudder* Don't even think that! :shock1:

If Charles Widmore is behind Naomi (rather than Penny Widmore), she may be there to kill Desmond.

The more I think about this theory the more I like it! Because it doesn't mean that Desmond will actually die, just that she will attempt to kill him.

I don't think they should trust Naomi, yet. They need to either make her radio-phone work or get more information somehow.
Naomi knowing about Desmond and Penny proves nothing since the Others apparently know all about everyone anyway.
They don't know all about everyone. They know all about the people on the plane because, as we saw, those are the people they collected information on. Desmond wasn't on the plane. Furthermore, even if they did have information on Desmond, how would they possibly get a copy of a photograph that only Desmond and Penny would have copies of?

(People keep asking how they could know about the man Sawyer killed. It would be easy for an investigator to figure out -- they both had ties to the same loan shark, and the guy was executed the day after Sawyer arrived in town.)

Given that we already KNOW that Penny has hired a company to search for the Desmond, she has the picture, a phone, and we HEARD her helicopter and SAW the splash, I seriously can't understand how people can think she's with DARMA or the Others, both of whom would know how to get someone onto the island without almost killing them.

And yes, Sayid is never wrong about a judgement he makes on someone. But he didn't doubt her, he was just being careful. I thought "Remind me not to rescue you, Sayid" was cute. I predict that they will eventually become an item. So does that make me the first....... Sayomier?
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If Charles Widmore is behind Naomi (rather than Penny Widmore), she may be there to kill Desmond.

While it's more plausible than suggesting that Naomi is Darma or Other, if you really wanted to kill someone, wouldn't you it BEFORE he lands on the island that no one can find? Or if the guy who you want to keep away from your daughter lands on an island that no one can ever find or leave, wouldn't you just let him rot there? I don't think that one works either.

if you really wanted to kill someone, wouldn't you it BEFORE he lands on the island that no one can find? Or if the guy who you want to keep away from your daughter lands on an island that no one can ever find or leave, wouldn't you just let him rot there? I don't think that one works either.

Hmm... good point.

Since this is all speculation, however, I'll go out on a limb and say that Charles Widmore probably thought sending Desmond away would make it unnecessary to kill him.

Perhaps he found out all the money/resources his daughter was putting into her search for him, or maybe he realized she was close to finding him and thats why he's chosen now to kill Desmond (as opposed to earlier when Des was closer and easier to kill).

If you really subscribe to the "Widmore/Paik are involved and know about the island" theories, this would make sense.

I agree that Naomi is not who she claims to be. It can't be a coincidence that Mikail came running to the area where the flare gun was set off--he was expecting her. After he helped patch her up, he probably ran off to find whoever came to the island with her. She was probably sent when communication from the island ceased, with the picture and story about Desmond as a cover story in case she found or was found by the crash survivors first.

I don't trust her, nor do I believe Naomi's (or Cooper's) story about the wreckage being found and all the bodies being accounted for. I don't think you can ever account for all the bodies after an airplane crash, especially one that landed in the ocean! Not one body floated away or was consumed by scavengers?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say 18 nautical miles?

I believe you are correct. I watched it twice now and I'm pretty sure she said 18 nautical miles which would be a little over 20 regular miles. At this distance on a very clear day (and it always seems pretty clear there) you should be able to faintly see a mountainous island as the curvature of the earth has not hidden it yet. But the crew of the ship cannot see it.

Given that we already KNOW that Penny has hired a company to search for the Desmond, she has the picture, a phone, and we HEARD her helicopter and SAW the splash, I seriously can't understand how people can think she's with DARMA or the Others, both of whom would know how to get someone onto the island without almost killing them.

And yes, Sayid is never wrong about a judgement he makes on someone. But he didn't doubt her, he was just being careful. I thought "Remind me not to rescue you, Sayid" was cute. I predict that they will eventually become an item. So does that make me the first....... Sayomier?

I agree 100%...we've been conditioned over the past three seasons to not trust anyone...so much so that when a person is actually telling the truth, with empirical evidence mind you, we still doubt the validity of what they're saying. Kind of funny actually...

Good thing they killed off Naomi in the finale. I mean, God forbid we should have many intelligent, rational, courageous women left alive on this show, or anyone who might make a good sparring partner for Sayid.

I share the theory that Naomi is partially lying and she is actually working for Penny's father Widmore, however, I don't think he's really looking for Desmond, I think he is looking for his daughter Penelope, who has learned about the island and has disappeared.


Charlie said the boat was not Penny's at the end, so, whoever sent Naomi, it wasn't Penny. Penny may not even KNOW Desmond is on the island—she may have been looking for the island for entirely different reasons, as she seems surprised when she contacts the station and discovers Desmond is there. Penelope herslef may even already be ON the island somewhere at this point.