So Locke knows what is going to happen in a week. But Ben doesn't know that Locke is going to tell Sawyer.

Did Ben tell Locke about the beach invasion to set Locke up or what? Ben must have had reasons for telling Locke about the beach invasion. Why?

Comments?

So Locke knows what is going to happen in a week. But Ben doesn't know that Locke is going to tell Sawyer.

Did Ben tell Locke about the beach invasion to set Locke up or what? Ben must have had reasons for telling Locke about the beach invasion. Why?

Comments?

Perhaps another test?!
good question...
when it's "go" time and the beach is going to be invaded, maybe we will
see where John Lockes loyalties really are.

I think Ben knows Locke is going to have contact with the Losties. The Others gave him the idea to involve Sawyer. Locke just warned Sawyer as a thank you. I think Ben is setting Locke up. Why? Well, that I don't know. Maybe so they'll expect an attack on the beach and then they'll attack them in some other way.

How did Locke get his hands on the tape recorder? Is that part of Ben's plan?

I agree with you, sunshinekitty1; I think that Ben anticipates that Locke will let the Losties know. When Locke came into Ben's tent as he was listening to the tape recorder, Ben deliberately put the tape recorder in his desk with Locke watching.

It seems, given the packing up and moving camp that followed, that Ben would have noticed Locke took the tape recorder, yet Ben did not accuse Locke of stealing it. Ben is usually not keen on people doing things he has not authorized, so to me, it seemed like Ben wanted Locke to have the tape recorder.

I don't think anything Ben does is coincidence...eash move he makes is very well thought out and precise. Ben acts as if he is playing the chess game of life and he knew that Locke would take this info back. Just like how Ben knows he can manipulate Locke by talking about him being "special".

Ben knows that Juliet is planning on betraying him. He lets Locke take the evidence because he knows that Locke will alert the camp, forcing Jack and Juliet's hand in revealing the impending raid and what they intend to do. Ben probably also intended for the message to be delivered by Sawyer, to build up the conflict between trusting him or Jack. Jack will defuse the situation by explaining why it was necessary to keep knowledge of the raid under his hat and how they actually have an advantage in the form of Juliet.

Of course, Ben intends for this to happen too, as people's trust in Jack will be restored just long enough for him to betray everyone, including Juliet.

Ben is manipulating Locke who is the most willing victim on that island. Locke has nothing on Ben.

Recently TPTB said something about considering the 'borderline supernatural' or such as an explanation of the Island. With that info... I still think my idea of a Ben-from-the-future, or someone or something from the future giving Ben information may be close.

He KNOWS what has to happen. He planted Julie as he knows she will be a turncoat. He knew Locke would get Sawyer to do his killing for him.

The only way it works for me is if there is or was a temporal time shift.

Maybe time is fast in Lostie time, but some other time is working slower on the island. That is the whispers. Slow down the Lostie time, and we might find out who is whispering.

D/

Ben knows that Juliet is planning on betraying him. He lets Locke take the evidence because he knows that Locke will alert the camp, forcing Jack and Juliet's hand in revealing the impending raid and what they intend to do. Ben probably also intended for the message to be delivered by Sawyer, to build up the conflict between trusting him or Jack. Jack will defuse the situation by explaining why it was necessary to keep knowledge of the raid under his hat and how they actually have an advantage in the form of Juliet.

Of course, Ben intends for this to happen too, as people's trust in Jack will be restored just long enough for him to betray everyone, including Juliet.

This is exactly how I see it, and what I think will happen.

1.Juliet has told Jack of the Other's plan.
2.Ben knows Juliet is going to betray him and side with Jack.
3.Ben leaks the tape recording to the beach causing an uprising against JJ.
4.Jack says, hold on, hold on, Juliet and I know that the Other's are going to raid, and here is our counter plan.
5.Ben executes and alternant plan that Juliet doesn't know about making JJ look like fools.

Ben wants Juliet killed.

I don't think anything Ben does is coincidence...eash move he makes is very well thought out and precise. Ben acts as if he is playing the chess game of life and he knew that Locke would take this info back. Just like how Ben knows he can manipulate Locke by talking about him being "special".


I completely agree. I think our friend Locke is just a pawn in Ben's plan.... he has given him way too much information and I can't believe that Ben is that shortsighted. He wants the Losties to expect his arrival- he is pure evil.

This is exactly how I see it, and what I think will happen.

1.Juliet has told Jack of the Other's plan.
2.Ben knows Juliet is going to betray him and side with Jack.
3.Ben leaks the tape recording to the beach causing an uprising against JJ.
4.Jack says, hold on, hold on, Juliet and I know that the Other's are going to raid, and here is our counter plan.
5.Ben executes and alternant plan that Juliet doesn't know about making JJ look like fools.

Clever. :)

Ben totally set this up. There's no question in my mind. And, I even have an idea regarding why he might do it.

The Others are coming to do a raid, but they're not going to take the pregnant women; they want Naomi. If the 815ers think that the Others are coming for the pregnant women, they might sequester them away in the caves or something and then try to form a perimeter. Regardless, it's likely that Naomi would be left unprotected, or if she is already in with the Others then have the opprotunity to escape herself.

Anyone buying it??

i think we've seen that Ben still makes mistakes, like not anticipating Jack would use him as a hostage or that Juliet was trying to get Jack to kill him. so i'm thinking/hoping he doesn't know about Locke's tip off but as always, it can go either way until we find out for sure.

Locke taking the tape recorder--absolute set-up. Ben sent for Locke and knew he was coming to his tent--why else would he be listening to the tape recorder in full view, and letting Locke see where he stashed it?

I agree, he knows Juliet is plotting against him somehow and wants to expose her. And I agree about it being a diversion so they can take Naomi, as well: it's been rumored elsewhere that Naomi was sent by Dharma, not Penny (or that Penny is working for Dharma, as well).

I can see it either way.

If Ben knew about that guy giving Locke Sawyer's file and about setting up the idea of having Locke get Sawyer to kill Cooper, then, yes it is a setup.

If Ben didn't know that Locke was given Sawyer's file, then, no it's not a setup. That guy that gave Locke the file seems to be pretty important. We haven't seen him since Juliet's flashback and then now we finally see him again.

I think Ben knows Locke is going to have contact with the Losties. The Others gave him the idea to involve Sawyer. Locke just warned Sawyer as a thank you. I think Ben is setting Locke up. Why? Well, that I don't know. Maybe so they'll expect an attack on the beach and then they'll attack them in some other way.
It worked for the Allies in WWII. They leaked info that the big invasion would come from Norway, and lo and behold it came from across the Channel to Normandie.

It could be that Ben set up Locke with the tape. He did this to set Juliet up. Now our Losties think that the Others are coming for the pregnant women but in reality some other group -- Dharma? -- is coming to straighten out the Others. Ben knows this. Now he has set up the Losties to fight the Newbies for him. If this is correct, it makes perfect sense that Ben and the group are getting out of "town" with tents and supplies and furniture. A con within a con within a con.

It could be that Ben set up Locke with the tape. He did this to set Juliet up. Now our Losties think that the Others are coming for the pregnant women but in reality some other group -- Dharma? -- is coming to straighten out the Others. Ben knows this. Now he has set up the Losties to fight the Newbies for him. If this is correct, it makes perfect sense that Ben and the group are getting out of "town" with tents and supplies and furniture. A con within a con within a con.


Wow. That would be cool.