Did Ben arrange this whole thing so Sawyer would bring the tape back to camp? That was my wife's immediate response to the ending, and she's almost always right!

yer wife is smart.

So why would Ben do that?

Did Ben arrange this whole thing so Sawyer would bring the tape back to camp? That was my wife's immediate response to the ending, and she's almost always right!



He wants to get rid of Juliet?

He wants division in the beach camp. The easier the raid will go, then!

I'm gonna go with dvg, he wants to be get rid of Juliet

good question. definitely possible. they never did show how locke got that recorder. i doubt it would be to get rid of juliet, however. there are much easier ways to do that. they others are constantly manipulating the losties, for god only knows what reason. the question is will sawyer be able to get the tape back to the losties before juliet leaves? i really hope so, because i'd just love to see kate or sun kick her a**. ben said juliet would be there only 1 week. he said that on december 13th. the current day is december 21st, roughly mid day. sawyer better run back to camp fast if he's to get there before juliet takes off.

I couldn't believe that Locke had that recorder. I think that Locke thought he took it from Ben undetected, but if Ben didn't want him to have it, he wouldn't.

And let's not forget that Locke lied to Sawyer right after giving him the recorder. He said he wasn't going back to the Others. And since Ben told him not to come back without the body of Cooper on his back -- which is how Locke was leaving -- we know he's going back to the Others.

I do think Ben gave the recorder to Locke to give to Sawyer. Why? That's a good question. And how can we know until the Jack/Juliet secret is revealed.

And let's not forget that Locke lied to Sawyer right after giving him the recorder. He said he wasn't going back to the Others. And since Ben told him not to come back without the body of Cooper on his back -- which is how Locke was leaving -- we know he's going back to the Others.
I think you misunderstood that last bit. Locke told him he wasn't going back to the Others as an infiltrator. He was going back to them all the same though - just as a member.

good question. definitely possible. they never did show how locke got that recorder. i doubt it would be to get rid of juliet, however. there are much easier ways to do that.


Well, the people who are going to be hurt the most from the reveal are Jack and Juliet.
Ben was going to send them off together in the sub. To their doom, maybe? Remember,
although Ben is a ruthless person, he doesn't like to portray himself as such. For all we
know, he sent Walt and Michael to their deaths, too. This is the way he works.


I don't buy that it's to cause division in the Losties' camp, because everyone pretty
much distrusts Jack and Juliet as-is. Once the tape is revealed, the division will be
everyone else against Jack and Juliet, and also possibly Jack against Juliet. That's
not much of a division. It seems more personal than that.

How are you so sure the entire camp will be against Jack? I don't buy that. I'm not even sold that Kate will go against him. I still think Ben wants the Losties to not trust each other -- and by creating more unrest and suspicion he accomplishes that. Yet I don't think it'll be Jack and Jules against them all.

How are you so sure the entire camp will be against Jack?


It's what Kate, his only apparent ally, told him. No one trusts him.

I think you misunderstood that last bit. Locke told him he wasn't going back to the Others as an infiltrator. He was going back to them all the same though - just as a member.

He said he was on his own now. I took that to mean he wasn't going back to them. If he was going back to them and he wasn't an infiltrator, then why give the recording to Sawyer?

I don't have the episode recorded, so this is all from my bad memory. It was just the impression I got that he was telling Sawyer he was going to basically be a nomad.

Did Ben arrange for Richard to present Locke with the "Sawyer Option" for killing his father? Sure, that's possible. Probably a secondary test to see if he would be able to murder through a proxy.

Did Ben arrange this situation to give Locke an oppotunity to give Sawyer the recording? I doubt it, why not just let Locke steal the recording and give it to someone on the beach... no need to have him walking off in the woods trying to kill his father just to hand over a recording.

Ben doesn't know about the recording, he is munipuative, but not everything that happens does so according to this masterplan.

Of course this was all a set up by Ben. Ben is a manipulative son of a gun. It was so obvious that Ben either gave the recorder to him or wanted Locke to get that recorder so he could give it to Sawyer. And of course Sawyer is going to rat out Juliet once he gets back to the camp.

The whole Juliet situation is a tough one to figure out. I'm on the fence when it comes to her. Right now though it seems like Ben might have kicked her to the curb. Who knows this might be his grand plan in the end. He did say that he would see her in a week.

I saw the the preview for next weeks episode and I don't understand why these people don't see what's going on. This has been one elaborate set up from the get go. Everyone is playing one another, people are eventually going to turn agaisnt each other causing a division in the camp. Things are just going to get even more complicated.