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sandiego6656
05-03-2007, 05:55 AM
the first document you can see in sawyer's file when ben hands it to locke is in french. the tile ends "De P.V. Gendarmerie". the rest of the document also appears to be in french. i don't speak french, so i can't make most of it out, but i recognize several other french words on it.
According to Wikipedia, the Gendarmerie is the French Military Police Force. They are responsible for policing areas outside the jurisdiction of the French National Police (mostly smally towns), criminal investiations performed under judicial supervision, crowd control, security at airports and military installations, and participating in ceremonies with heads of state.
so what would that have to do with sawyer and/or the others? obviously the airport thing sticks out but the plane left from sydney and was headed to LA. No connection to a french airport.
the security at military installations also sticks out. if the island is connected in some way to the french military, then this group would be in charge of heading up island security, thereby producing investigation reports on the losties.
the other explanation is this group was involved in some investigation of sawyer for prior crimes and the report on this was just a part of a file that is mostly in english.
but i'm really guessing. what i want is the full translation of "P.V. de gendarmerie". i looked this term up specifically on the web, and found a bunch of links that are entirely in french, so I can't make heads or tales of it.
any french speakers or other thoughts on this?

original spacehermit
05-03-2007, 06:20 AM
Canada.

Flotsam
05-03-2007, 08:25 AM
Anywhere in the world that French is spoken, which is... a lot of places.

albafika
05-03-2007, 08:56 AM
Well I'm french, so I can help you.

Don't know the exact juridic translation for "PV" (Procès Verbal), but it basically a statement on a situation involving a delict,crime or accident written either by the police or the Gendarmerie. In common language PV is used to describe fines related to cars.

As fot the file Locke holds, there isn't much else to see. Guess that Sawyer had some troubles in a french speaking country.

Lost_In_Louisiana
05-03-2007, 09:07 AM
Anywhere in the world that French is spoken, which is... a lot of places.
There are a lot of French speaking areas in Africa too.

But, in this case, isn't French Polynesia fairly close to where we think the Losties are???

very-lost
05-03-2007, 09:25 AM
James/Sawyer does not seem to me to be the "world traveler" type to me

LostinMaine
05-03-2007, 09:59 AM
James/Sawyer does not seem to me to be the "world traveler" type to me


I agree. I was thinking the whole time that the "file" may have been about more than one person on the island. After seeing the French writing on the file, I immediately thought that Dr. Alpert was not specifically telling Locke to go get Sawyer, but instead giving him the option of a couple people on the island to "use" to kill his father. With the French writing I thought of Danielle first. Then I almost fell off the couch when she strolled into the Black Rock while Locke and Sawyer where inside. Did you notice how calmly Locke told Danielle where the crates where? Seemed like Danielle wasn't really surprised to see them either. :confused:

Eyeland Soul
05-03-2007, 10:06 AM
James/Sawyer does not seem to me to be the "world traveler" type to me

Well Sawyer did travel to Australia in an attempt to track down the real Sawyer. He could have travelled to a French speaking country trying to track down the real Sawyer. He was quite obsessed!

sandiego6656
05-03-2007, 11:52 AM
no, i think this was something french and it definitely dealt with sawyer. it was his name on the file, so i doubt there were documents on anyone else. and although many countries use french as the primary language, this document actually used the name for the french military police force, so it's not canadian. again, i find this weird.

annieone
05-03-2007, 02:16 PM
This could be a relation to Shannon or Danielle, who knows. Maybe he did conn Shanon while she was in the south of France. Or maybe was Shanon's parter in conning someone else.

abbybaby
05-03-2007, 02:23 PM
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Here's a screencap for you if you haven't seen it already. Is Patchy french? Has his accent ever been explain? And Locke can Read French? So Richard Albert must have known that Locke would understand it, well, the others know everything about the losties right. I smell another Locke flashback in season 4 with Daniel wondering around in the background!:biggrin:

caforrest2047
05-03-2007, 02:24 PM
This could be a relation to Shannon or Danielle, who knows. Maybe he did conn Shanon while she was in the south of France. Or maybe was Shanon's parter in conning someone else.

Thats an interesting thought. I like this idea because we know shannon used to con boone out of money all the time, maybe sawyer was her teacher like he taught cassidy.

char
05-03-2007, 02:33 PM
wow I like the idea that Sawyer may understand French. So was he lying in the pilot when Shannon had to translate Danielle's s.o.s.?

efbeyi
05-03-2007, 06:43 PM
Wow, I didn't notice that. Great find!

That just makes things even more curious. Is this another mistake that the editors didn't catch, or is it a genuine mystery - like Juliet's sister's chart being that of a male.

Strange.

LostInJack
05-03-2007, 07:07 PM
I think there is a really good chance Sawyer is a traveller, remember his comment to Jack in the poker game about Jack being surprised he knew where Phucket was. The look he gave Jack was a real don't judge a book by its cover.
Apparantly there are 31 French speaking countries in the world many of them African and some I haven't even heard of. Most likely ones -

Belgium
France
Canada
Haiti
Luxembourg
Madagascar
Monaco
Seychelles
Switzerland

Anyone remember Sawyer mentioning any of these places ? Won't let me type Phucket !! thats with a P and h not kl

GreatHeights
05-03-2007, 07:13 PM
It really won't let you type the name of a city, Phucket? That's a tad ridiculous.

ETA: Yeah, it changed mine too. That's really stupid, IMO. Its a friggin' city, and apparently also a dessert. Its not even really pronounced like the swear word, is it? I thought it was foo-KET. Anyway, I know this is off topic, sorry...

Admiral Erik Pressman
05-03-2007, 07:17 PM
All we know is that Sawyer was arrested in a French speaking country, we don't know that he actually speaks French. But, it would appear that Locke does, which I find interesting.

Edit: I don't think Sawyer learned French in Luxembourg. The entire country is just a small sized city, and it's not even French speaking, Whille I'm sure there are some French speakers, they actually have their own language called Luxembourgish which is a kind of high German.

Quinch
05-03-2007, 07:28 PM
Well Sawyer did travel to Australia in an attempt to track down the real Sawyer. He could have travelled to a French speaking country trying to track down the real Sawyer. He was quite obsessed!

Yeah, like Canada. He must have been really obsessed to go that far out of his way :biggrin:

BoogaFrito
05-03-2007, 07:41 PM
All we know is that Sawyer was arrested in a French speaking country, we don't know that he actually speaks French. But, it would appear that Locke does, which I find interesting.Just because one police report is in French, doesn't mean the entire file is as well. Locke did say the file included Sawyer's criminal record.

northald
05-04-2007, 02:32 AM
It really won't let you type the name of a city, klucket? That's a tad ridiculous.

ETA: Yeah, it changed mine too. That's really stupid, IMO. Its a friggin' city, and apparently also a dessert. Its not even really pronounced like the swear word, is it? I thought it was foo-KET. Anyway, I know this is off topic, sorry...

Yes, locally it is pronounced exactly like the swear word (f**k-it).

Western news organisations deliberately mispronounce it as foo-ket to avoid confusion with the swear word.

Saukkomies
05-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Uhm, hey everybody, the explanation for why that report is in French is very simple:

It's an INTERPOL report!

For those who are unfamiliar with INTERPOL, here is a Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol) about it. Also, here is INTERPOL's official web page (http://www.interpol.int/public/icpo/default.asp).

INTERPOL is a reporting agency that shares information with countries that are members of it regarding criminal and terrorist activities of people engaged in certain types of crimes, including white collar crime, international criminal actions, and other things, which would include Sawyer's past history. INTERPOL reports are typically in French, because that's where it is based - in France. Or, something like that. I'm not sure exactly why INTERPOL reports are in French, but they are...

So, in other words, this report being in French that Locke was reading does not mean that Sawyer ever sat foot in a French speaking country. It's just an INTERPOL report. ;)

sandiego6656
05-05-2007, 01:22 AM
again, people are misunderstanding. it's not only that the document is in french. that could mean is comes from any number of countries. but the "P.V. de Gendarmerie" title signifies it is a report from the french military police (similiar to our national guard). gendarmerie doesn't literelly mean police, so when that word is used in other countries, it stands for a militia, not a police. i think it is clear that the report is from the french military police, not police in any other country who aren't called gendarmerie. and since it is from french military police, it wouldn't relate to a crime unless that crime was against a dipolmat or military members, since the french national police has jurisdiction over all other matters.
when i was thinking about what this could mean, i was trying to connect the special duties the french military police perform to something on the island. one duty is to guard military installations and perform all investigations on military installations. this leads me to a possible connection: there have been several ties to military knowledge or service among the others. they are curiously competent in military procedures. and danielle, who i've always suspected could be an other, is french and curiously militant. she shoots, she builds booby traps . . . her clothes are even all military green. is it totally inconceivable that this is a report that danielle prepared, in her job as a security specialist on the island? it puts a new spin on why she mysteriously showed up when locke was holding sawyer in the brig (checking in). i know it's a stretch, but i can't believe they threw a french military police report into sawyer's file for no reason.

allergygal
05-05-2007, 03:01 PM
It sounds like there's still more Sawyer backstory to tell. We know Shannon spent time in France, so did Sayid, Danielle is French... Maybe we'll get to see Sawyer interacting with one of them in France a future flashback.

BaileySalinger
05-05-2007, 03:14 PM
who ever said canada - that sticks out to me. This is from Lostpedia

It seems that whenever someone says they are from Canada, they are in fact lying. Kate said she was from Canada in "Tabula Rasa", Ethan in "Raised by Another", and Anthony Cooper in "The Man from Tallahassee". Nathan also claimed to be from Canada ("The Other 48 Days") but this was probably an attempt by the creators to have the audience believe he was an other (just like Ethan). Since Nathan was not an other he was probably telling the truth about coming from Canada. Both Ethan and Cooper specify Ontario which could be either the Canadian province or the city near Los Angeles.

workingmom
05-05-2007, 04:25 PM
who ever said canada - that sticks out to me. This is from Lostpedia

It seems that whenever someone says they are from Canada, they are in fact lying. Kate said she was from Canada in "Tabula Rasa", Ethan in "Raised by Another", and Anthony Cooper in "The Man from Tallahassee". Nathan also claimed to be from Canada ("The Other 48 Days") but this was probably an attempt by the creators to have the audience believe he was an other (just like Ethan). Since Nathan was not an other he was probably telling the truth about coming from Canada. Both Ethan and Cooper specify Ontario which could be either the Canadian province or the city near Los Angeles.
That's funny. I had once wondered whether Ethan saying "Ontario" really meant to CA city near LA, since he was pretending to be on a plane bound for LAX.

My observation about Sawyer's "file" doesn't relate to the document in French, but I was struck by the type of facts-only information they had - Alpert mentioned high school transcript, criminal record, and that his mother shot his father. The file didn't say why his father shot his mother. It sounds like the Others are not psychic and all-knowing, but rather have good Internet resources and private investigators.

thanksforthefish
05-05-2007, 04:56 PM
It sounds like there's still more Sawyer backstory to tell. We know Shannon spent time in France, so did Sayid, Danielle is French... Maybe we'll get to see Sawyer interacting with one of them in France a future flashback.

I think you are right allergygal. Have to agree that there is more to Sawyer's story because we can't know it all by the end of season 3 and Sawyer is not going anywhere. Good point on all the losties that have shown up in France and I think the reference to Phuket and Sawyers comeback to Jack in another post supports the- there is more to Sawyer then settling the score with Anthony Cooper/Sawyer -opinion.

The Gendarmerie is the French National Police Force and TBTP don't show stuff in other languages by mistake on a file labeled Ford, James (AKA Sawyer). There is a story there but I don't connect it to why Rosseau is on the island, not yet at least. The more I think about it the more possible Rosseau and her party were like Kelvin and Radzinsky and maybe Patchy, intel sent to find out what was on with the island. Only, Patchy was turned by the Others. Rosseau is too much like Ripley/Sigourney in Alien and with a lot of skills to survive on her own for 16 years. Season 4 Rosseau FB! meets Sawyer, Shannon , Sayid and .....

Saukkomies
05-05-2007, 06:04 PM
The Gendarmerie is the French National Police Force and TBTP don't show stuff in other languages by mistake on a file labeled Ford, James (AKA Sawyer). There is a story there but I don't connect it to why Rosseau is on the island, not yet at least. The more I think about it the more possible Rosseau and her party were like Kelvin and Radzinsky and maybe Patchy, intel sent to find out what was on with the island. Only, Patchy was turned by the Others. Rosseau is too much like Ripley/Sigourney in Alien and with a lot of skills to survive on her own for 16 years. Season 4 Rosseau FB! meets Sawyer, Shannon , Sayid and .....

again, people are misunderstanding. it's not only that the document is in french. that could mean is comes from any number of countries. but the "P.V. de Gendarmerie" title signifies it is a report from the french military police (similiar to our national guard). gendarmerie doesn't literelly mean police, so when that word is used in other countries, it stands for a militia, not a police. i think it is clear that the report is from the french military police, not police in any other country who aren't called gendarmerie. and since it is from french military police, it wouldn't relate to a crime unless that crime was against a dipolmat or military members, since the french national police has jurisdiction over all other matters.

One more time folks: This is a INTERPOL report! That's the absolute truth of the matter! The reason it says P.V. Gendarme on it means that it is being reported by national security forces from one of the INTERPOL member nations - which could of course also include the FBI or the Australian Federal Police (their equivalent of the US FBI). Of course, this is exactly what INTERPOL does: it shares information between all of its member countries about criminals that have been reported by their respective national security (or if you will: PV Gendarme) agencies...

How can I put this more bluntly and more obvious: this is simply an INTERPOL report people, nothing more.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving one way or another that Sawyer, Locke, Cooper, or anyone else in the world ever sat foot in a country that speaks French. All of this speculation is completely a waste of time.

Admiral Erik Pressman
05-05-2007, 06:18 PM
He got kicked out of the French Foreign Legion (only half joking).

Desmundo
05-05-2007, 06:45 PM
I agree. I was thinking the whole time that the "file" may have been about more than one person on the island. After seeing the French writing on the file, I immediately thought that Dr. Alpert was not specifically telling Locke to go get Sawyer, but instead giving him the option of a couple people on the island to "use" to kill his father. With the French writing I thought of Danielle first. Then I almost fell off the couch when she strolled into the Black Rock while Locke and Sawyer where inside. Did you notice how calmly Locke told Danielle where the crates where? Seemed like Danielle wasn't really surprised to see them either. :confused:


Well, I remember him chatting with Jack about how he's not the only one who's been to Phuket. That's pretty world-travelly. Also, I have traveled Thailand and I think it's fair to say that "What happens in Phuket, stays in Phuket." Thailand is pretty well known among world travelers as being a place that caters to um, appetites, of many kinds. So I wouldn't be surprised by Sawyer's having visited there, there are plenty of bad guys (or men who would be considered morally improper by Western standards) to scam in Thailand.
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It has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving one way or another that Sawyer, Locke, Cooper, or anyone else in the world ever sat foot in a country that speaks French. All of this speculation is completely a waste of time.

Hey now Saukkomies, there's no reason we shouldn't explore this topic. It's a valid query. Be nice.
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when i was thinking about what this could mean, i was trying to connect the special duties the french military police perform to something on the island. one duty is to guard military installations and perform all investigations on military installations. this leads me to a possible connection: there have been several ties to military knowledge or service among the others. they are curiously competent in military procedures. and danielle, who i've always suspected could be an other, is french and curiously militant. she shoots, she builds booby traps . . . her clothes are even all military green. is it totally inconceivable that this is a report that danielle prepared, in her job as a security specialist on the island? it puts a new spin on why she mysteriously showed up when locke was holding sawyer in the brig (checking in). i know it's a stretch, but i can't believe they threw a french military police report into sawyer's file for no reason.

Hm, this makes sense. So many of the Losties seem to have tripped out survivalist training. I still want to believe that Rousseau is not involved in Othery business, but there's no reason to think that she couldn't be either.

Billy Shears
05-05-2007, 07:24 PM
Here's a screenshot I rotated for a better look. There's a lot more than "Gendarmerie" on here but I can't read much French. Anyone care to translate?

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7268/frenchfiledj3.jpg

I'm curious about the small type, and also the word "Police" that seems to be at the top, and lower section. Does that spell the same in French as in English?

allergygal
05-05-2007, 07:54 PM
One more time folks: This is a INTERPOL report! That's the absolute truth of the matter! The reason it says P.V. Gendarme on it means that it is being reported by national security forces from one of the INTERPOL member nations - which could of course also include the FBI or the Australian Federal Police (their equivalent of the US FBI). Of course, this is exactly what INTERPOL does: it shares information between all of its member countries about criminals that have been reported by their respective national security (or if you will: PV Gendarme) agencies...

How can I put this more bluntly and more obvious: this is simply an INTERPOL report people, nothing more.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving one way or another that Sawyer, Locke, Cooper, or anyone else in the world ever sat foot in a country that speaks French. All of this speculation is completely a waste of time.


Okay, okay, I get the point. It still implies there's more to be told about Sawyer, though (even if not in France).

The worst crime we know of Sawyer committing is the murder of Frank Duckett in Australia, So let's say that after he was deported from Australia, the Australian police investigated the murder and determined the James Ford was the main suspect (doubtful, but possible). That might explain how Juliet could have known that he killed a man in Australia the night before he boarded the plane. If Sawyer had simply left the country on his own, that might explain an Interpol report. But, the Australian authorities put him on the plane. That means they knew he was on the flight 815, which crashed (with no survivors, based on what Naomi and Anthony Cooper said). So why would an Interpol report have been written up for a dead guy?

That means Sawyer has to have committed some other crime(s) we're not aware of yet. As far as we know, he was not a fugitive at the time he went to Australia, so there must be a crime he was wanted for at some point. And I'd think it would have to be more significant than the con that Cassidy turned him in for. I can't imagine Interpol being notified over a simple con like that.

hugh_person
05-05-2007, 09:53 PM
How can I put this more bluntly and more obvious: this is simply an INTERPOL report people, nothing more.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving one way or another that Sawyer, Locke, Cooper, or anyone else in the world ever sat foot in a country that speaks French. All of this speculation is completely a waste of time.

Ok, so let's say that it's an INTERPOL report. It still raises several questions:

How do the others have access to Interpol? As far as I can tell, they are not one of the member countries ;)

Why does Interpol have a file on James Ford? From what we've seen so far, Sawyer si a small-time con man, not an part of an international criminal organization. ***OK, I managed to answer this one myself while writing the post, after being arrested in Oz, he got kicked out, which would probably get your name into the interpol databases.****

As I understand it, member countries have to submit info to interpol. I find it hard to believe that they get files of every single criminal act around the world---but I guess that's not impossible. Does anyone know more about how that works?

Saukkomies
05-05-2007, 11:09 PM
Ok, so let's say that it's an INTERPOL report. It still raises several questions:

How do the others have access to Interpol? As far as I can tell, they are not one of the member countries ;)


It would be fairly easy for the Others to get an Interpol report. Any of the 180 or so member countries of INTERPOL may request a report from the agency for a suspected criminal, which theoretically would make it very easy for the Others to bribe some minor country's police into providing them with information on any of the survivors of Flight 815. If the Others are interested in finding out about those people, doing a criminal background check on them would be one of the first steps to take, I'd think.

Saukkomies
05-05-2007, 11:13 PM
Well, I remember him chatting with Jack about how he's not the only one who's been to Phuket.
Actually your memory is just a bit off. No offense, mate, I have that problem all the time myself (it goes with being old enough to be a member of the Elders Council - heh). Just for kicks, I looked up the reference you were talking about. It took place in 2x17 "Lockdown" in a scene where Sawyer and Jack are playing poker for the meds. There are two separate shots of this scene (it's separated by other stuff from the episode). Here are the quotes from the transcript that touch on this:

QUOTE #1
[Back on the island, Sawyer and Jack are playing cards.]
SAWYER: So, where'd you learn to play cards, Doc?
JACK: Phuket.
SAWYER: What the hell were you doing in Thailand? [Jack doesn't respond] What, you don't think I know where Phuket is? Just because I dropped out in 9th grade don't make me an idiot. Far East, huh? I wouldn't have taken you for a world traveler. That where you got the art on your shoulder?
JACK: How about you deal again?
SAWYER: What?
JACK: This time from the top of the deck.
SAWYER [smiling]: Well, I had to try.
[Back in the hatch.]


QUOTE #2
[The scene switches to Jack and Sawyer.]
JACK: 10 mangos.
SAWYER: Okay, I'll call you with the aspirin and raise you with a bottle of Amoxicilin.
JACK: Do you even know what Amoxicilin is?
SAWYER: You may have been to Phuket, Doc, but I've been to Tallahassee. [Jack looks like he doesn't understand] Let's just say something was burning and it wasn't from the sunshine.
JACK: I'm all in.
SAWYER: Well, that's the move of a man who wants me to lay it down.
JACK: You're not going to lay it down.
SAWYER: I'm not, huh? Why's that?
JACK: Because there's a bunch of people watching us right now and you don't want them to see you lose. Again.
SAWYER: Well alright, I call. What you got? [Jack shows his cards] Pair a 9s? You pushed in with a pair of 9's?!
JACK: You got me. Let's see 'em.
[Sawyer shows his cards, irritatedly. He's got a pair of 5s.]
JACK: Guess it was enough, huh?
SAWYER: Son-of-a-bitch.
JACK: I'll come get the meds later. [he starts to leave]
SAWYER: Hey, when I asked you what you wanted for stakes -- why didn't you ask for the guns?
JACK: When I need the guns, I'll get the guns.
[Back in the hatch we see that Henry is still unconscious and the alarm is still beeping.]

So you see from the transcript that although Sawyer KNOWS where Phuket is, he doesn't say he's been there.
Hey now Saukkomies, there's no reason we shouldn't explore this topic. It's a valid query. Be nice.
Thanks for the advice. I was a bit snippy, please accept my sincere apology. Patience is often something that is difficult to maintain while typing on a computer...
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The worst crime we know of Sawyer committing is the murder of Frank Duckett in Australia, So let's say that after he was deported from Australia, the Australian police investigated the murder and determined the James Ford was the main suspect (doubtful, but possible). That might explain how Juliet could have known that he killed a man in Australia the night before he boarded the plane. If Sawyer had simply left the country on his own, that might explain an Interpol report. But, the Australian authorities put him on the plane. That means they knew he was on the flight 815, which crashed (with no survivors, based on what Naomi and Anthony Cooper said). So why would an Interpol report have been written up for a dead guy?

That means Sawyer has to have committed some other crime(s) we're not aware of yet. As far as we know, he was not a fugitive at the time he went to Australia, so there must be a crime he was wanted for at some point. And I'd think it would have to be more significant than the con that Cassidy turned him in for. I can't imagine Interpol being notified over a simple con like that.
See, this is very cool AllergyGal! Talking about the report that Locke was reading IS an important thing to do - I just wanted to get the conversation steered into what ought to be a more productive line than to spend a lot of time trying to guess which French speaking country Sawyer had visited... There's still a lot to be gleaned from this report, even IF we know it is in French because it's from INTERPOL.

Now, as to what you're saying here, I have a theory about a possible way that Sawyer's name could have ended up on an INTERPOL report. Okay, he travels to Australia and kills Frank Duckett. A couple of days later, he is picked up by the Australian police in a bar fight and put on Flight 815 back to the US - deported.

At this point right there we could have already had an INTERPOL report generated about him. When he was picked up for getting in a brawl with the Australian Minister of Agriculture, I would assume that the standard protocol for the Aussie police would be to find out who they had in custody - especially since the scuffle involved a member of their cabinet. Once they found out he was an American, they would have requested information about his criminal record - THROUGH INTERPOL. Thus the report would have been generated right there.

Here's yet another angle: The Aussie police, in investigating the murder of Duckett, discover some evidence that connects Duckett to Hibbs back in the US. They then work with the FBI in tracking down information about Hibbs, which may even involve the FBI grabbing him and interrogating him about his involvement with Duckett's murder. Assuredly, the FBI already has a hefty dossier on Hibbs, and know he is a criminal. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine the FBI discovers that there's a connection between Hibbs and Duckett involving unpaid debts. In order to get off the hook, Hibbs then tells the FBI that Sawyer took it upon himself to go kill Duckett, thinking he was the man who was responsible for his parent's deaths. This would give the FBI the information about Sawyer's vendetta against the original "Sawyer" con man, as well as connecting him with the murder in Australia. Once they found out about it, they'd INTERPOL the information back to the authorities in Australia. All of this was probably in that report that Locke was reading.

Although this all is basic standard procedure for an international criminal investigation of this sort, it still is at this point in time conjecture until we're given the exact details. But it all fits very well, I think...

allergygal
05-05-2007, 11:20 PM
...Why does Interpol have a file on James Ford? From what we've seen so far, Sawyer si a small-time con man, not an part of an international criminal organization. ***OK, I managed to answer this one myself while writing the post, after being arrested in Oz, he got kicked out, which would probably get your name into the interpol databases.****

As I understand it, member countries have to submit info to interpol. I find it hard to believe that they get files of every single criminal act around the world---but I guess that's not impossible. Does anyone know more about how that works?

I found this info about Interpol:

INTERPOL does not maintain a force of International police officers or agents. Instead, INTERPOL serves as a conduit for a cooperative exchange of criminal information to help detect and combat international crime. Criminal investigations within one country which involve the citizens of another country are routed to or through INTERPOL for the purpose of coordination.

Source (http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/e-resources/ebooks/records/eem6196.html)

Based on that, the murder Sawyer committed in Australia could have landed him an Interpol file. However, I still don't think it makes sense for the Australian police to have notified them about a criminal that they thought died in a plane crash. I suppose they might have contacted Interpol about Sawyer in the time after flight 815 disappeared, but before it was "found" (that could have been several weeks and they might have solved Frank Duckett's murder by then). But when a large airline goes down on a flight over the ocean, it's a pretty safe bet that there are no survivors. So would the Australian cops really go through all the trouble to file a report with Interpol at that point? Doubtful.

I think Sawyer must have committed another crime, outside the U.S., prior to his trip to Australia. And he must have already been arrested for that crime. Otherwise he would have been an active fugitive and when he was picked up for the bar fight or whatever in Australia, they woulnd't have simply deported him.

Saukkomies
05-05-2007, 11:29 PM
Based on that, the murder Sawyer committed in Australia could have landed him an Interpol file. However, I still don't think it makes sense for the Australian police to have notified them about a criminal that they thought died in a plane crash. I suppose they might have contacted Interpol about Sawyer in the time after flight 815 disappeared, but before it was "found" (that could have been several weeks and they might have solved Frank Duckett's murder by then). But when a large airline goes down on a flight over the ocean, it's a pretty safe bet that there are no survivors. So would the Australian cops really go through all the trouble to file a report with Interpol at that point? Doubtful.

The Australian investigators almost assuredly would have only found out about Sawyer's connection to Duckett via the FBI, not from any clue they found in their own country. Here's how the scenario would play out: the Aussies find some evidence connected with Duckett that links him to Hibbs back in the US. This could be a lot of things, but probably has something to do with his gambling debts (which is why Hibbs wanted him killed to begin with). The Aussies contact the FBI via INTERPOL, and the FBI bring Hibbs in for questioning regarding the case. Hibbs then tells them that Sawyer was the one who killed Duckett. In so doing, he gives them an explanation for why Sawyer would have done it - believing that Ducket was the original "Sawyer" who was responsible for James' parents' deaths. This information is then sent back by the FBI to the investigating authorities in Australia - via INTERPOL. And that was probably the report that Locke was reading...

The Aussies would not have connected Sawyer with the crime until this point, so that explains why they were following the lead.

allergygal
05-05-2007, 11:30 PM
...I have a theory about a possible way that Sawyer's name could have ended up on an INTERPOL report. Okay, he travels to Australia and kills Frank Duckett. A couple of days later, he is picked up by the Australian police in a bar fight and put on Flight 815 back to the US - deported.

At this point right there we could have already had an INTERPOL report generated about him. When he was picked up for getting in a brawl with the Australian Minister of Agriculture, I would assume that the standard protocol for the Aussie police would be to find out who they had in custody - especially since the scuffle involved a member of their cabinet. Once they found out he was an American, they would have requested information about his criminal record - THROUGH INTERPOL. Thus the report would have been generated right there.


I like this! I didn't even consider than Australian authorities could have contacted Interpol to make sure he's not wanted for a crime before they deport him. I'm under the impression that Interpol really only deals with international crimes, but (and maybe someone knows for sure about this) it certainly seems plausible that they can also do criminal record checks in member country databases. If so, I'm completely satisifed with that as an explanation for why there was an Interpol report on Sawyer.

thanksforthefish
05-06-2007, 04:37 AM
One more time folks: This is a INTERPOL report! That's the absolute truth of the matter! The reason it says P.V. Gendarme on it means that it is being reported by national security forces from one of the INTERPOL member nations - which could of course also include the FBI or the Australian Federal Police (their equivalent of the US FBI). Of course, this is exactly what INTERPOL does: it shares information between all of its member countries about criminals that have been reported by their respective national security (or if you will: PV Gendarme) agencies...

How can I put this more bluntly and more obvious: this is simply an INTERPOL report people, nothing more.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving one way or another that Sawyer, Locke, Cooper, or anyone else in the world ever sat foot in a country that speaks French. All of this speculation is completely a waste of time.

Yes, it could be an Interpol file and be reports from member countries sharing information on Sawyer and that is consistent with INTERPOL's role and mission. But it is not readily identifiable as an INTERPOL document, it does not have the INTERPOL logo, the heading on the page is covered by the binder clip but it appears to have more than 7 upper case letters and be more than one word, so I guess you are speculating that it is INTERPOL, and that is a reasonable answer. But why choose a French document to report on someone we think has only been in the US and had one trip to Australia, we could have just as easily been shown an official English language document from the US or Australia that would have conveyed that the Others had the real source data on Sawyer. Why not identify it clearly as INTERPOL. Like I said , they don't go to these elaborate lengths for no reason, its in French and they clearly show the term P.V. Gendarmerie in the header box. Just maybe it is a clue that there is more to Sawyers backstory than we have seen, and there are just too many French 'dots" they are putting out there to not try to start connecting them. Anyway, isn't this all about trying to connect the dots?.

Dr. Suds
05-06-2007, 11:38 AM
I like this! I didn't even consider than Australian authorities could have contacted Interpol to make sure he's not wanted for a crime before they deport him. I'm under the impression that Interpol really only deals with international crimes, but (and maybe someone knows for sure about this) it certainly seems plausible that they can also do criminal record checks in member country databases. If so, I'm completely satisifed with that as an explanation for why there was an Interpol report on Sawyer.
The way my theory works, that file was provided to fool Richard Alpert (and possibly some unnamed character(s) who might've read the files). Its contents were already known to the principals of the conspiracy, because they had arranged many of those events in Sawyer's life. So they forged the info as having come from Interpol. As long as Richard Alpert wasn't too familiar with the format that would be used in Interpol documents (Why would he be?), those details wouldn't matter.

Unfortunately they either didn't have all the details right or Locke's "Dad" didn't learn them well enough, because as pointed out by tdciago in alt.tv.lost, "Dad" fell for the false details Sawyer fed him in the brig.

Robert

Saukkomies
05-06-2007, 03:54 PM
maybe it is a clue that there is more to Sawyers backstory than we have seen, and there are just too many French 'dots" they are putting out there to not try to start connecting them. Anyway, isn't this all about trying to connect the dots?.

I'm still convinced this is an Interpol report, however, I have stumbled on something that makes it seem as if this report is more than it at first appeared to me, and which is giving some credence to those of you whom I made fun of for believing this report was indicating that Sawyer had spent time in a French country. In the report there is a line where it says "...de la croisette" What this refers to is not entirely certain, however, there is a very famous street called the Rue de la Croisette - it's located in Cannes, France, and is basically "ground zero" for most of the big events that take place during the famous Cannes Film Festival. So much so, that when reporting about the Festival, the phrase "the news from the Croisette" is used. I've dug around a LOT, trying to find some other place that uses that name, to no avail. I spent a lot of time digging around in Sydney sites trying to find a connection to Croisette, or even to the words "little cross" (which is what it means in French) - again to no avail. I even tried to find if it refered to a type of intersection in a street - still, no luck. The only place where "de la Croisette" is in use is in Cannes - as far as I can tell.

So ... there ya go! Maybe there is something to this whole business of Sawyer being in France. Maybe he was in Cannes!

efbeyi
05-06-2007, 05:14 PM
One more time folks: This is a INTERPOL report! That's the absolute truth of the matter! ...

How can I put this more bluntly and more obvious: this is simply an INTERPOL report people, nothing more.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving one way or another that Sawyer, Locke, Cooper, or anyone else in the world ever sat foot in a country that speaks French. All of this speculation is completely a waste of time.

Ok while that may be true, you don't know for sure, so why can't we speculate? Also, whether or not it's an actual report from France or whatnot isn't the only question here - Could Locke read that? Does he know French?

Locked_In
05-06-2007, 08:27 PM
That's my question. Does Locke know how to read French? If so, there's another big part of Locke's mysterious life.

-calypso-
05-07-2007, 09:03 AM
What if Rousseau is Jacob lol
Remember in Alias ...irina Derevko was the man...so maybe...