Ben said Locke brought Sawyer to the island, but what if the magic box was responding to Sawyer's need for revenge and not Locke's? Just a thought.

(The box is a metaphor, according to Ben. One of Them -- probably Richard Alpert -- brought Cooper/"Sawyer" to the Island.)

Oh, I get the gist of the question.
Um. Let's see. Looks like both John Locke and James Ford got some much-needed satisfaction, so maybe the answer is: the "box" "brought" Cooper to the Island for both of their sakes.

I think it was Sawyer. If you look back at season 1 Locke, he seemed perfectly happy having his legs back and knowing that he was somewhere his dad could never find him. It was Sawyer who would never feel relief until he got his revenge.

I think it was Sawyer. If you look back at season 1 Locke, he seemed perfectly happy having his legs back and knowing that he was somewhere his dad could never find him. It was Sawyer who would never feel relief until he got his revenge.

Yeah definately Sawyer, I don't think at any one point in the show was Locke meant or had the inclination to kill his father.

Here's another one: If he was brought to the island for Sawyer, did Ben really know that and just playing Locke? or did Ben really think he was there for Locke?

The others obviously brought him to the island. He said that he was driving down the highway in Florida and crashed. He remembered them putting in an IV, but nothing else until he woke up on the Island. The crash was staged so that the Others could get him to the Island. Wasn't Juliet's sister in Florida when they showed her the feed from the playground? The Others obviously had business in Florida and part of it was finding Locke's dad and bringing him back to the Island.

The others obviously brought him to the island. He said that he was driving down the highway in Florida and crashed. He remembered them putting in an IV, but nothing else until he woke up on the Island. The crash was staged so that the Others could get him to the Island. Wasn't Juliet's sister in Florida when they showed her the feed from the playground? The Others obviously had business in Florida and part of it was finding Locke's dad and bringing him back to the Island.

Yep, I definitely agree - the others staged the car crash, put an IV in Cooper and brought him to the island. We already know the others can stage crashes (e.g. Juliet's husband hit by bus). Who knows, maybe they hit Michael with that car way back in NYC.

IMO the whole crash thing was just a roundabout way of saying that the Others kidnapped him and took him to the Island.

So, apparently they did it just to use him as a tool against Locke??? Even in this ep, where Locke is seemingly acting alone and using his own brain to make decisions, is he still just one of Ben's pawns??

Is it possible that they meant that Locke brought Cooper there because the Others needed Locke to prove he belonged on the island? Maybe I should phrase that better. Since Locke wouldn't openly tell them about his healing, it forced the Others to bring Cooper in to force John to be trusted? I don't know if this makes sense, but I just feel like they were telling him that it could have been done another way, learning the secrets of the island I mean, but the Others hand was forced. Don't know...what do you think.

IMO the whole crash thing was just a roundabout way of saying that the Others kidnapped him and took him to the Island.

So, apparently they did it just to use him as a tool against Locke??? Even in this ep, where Locke is seemingly acting alone and using his own brain to make decisions, is he still just one of Ben's pawns??


Exactly! I think you hit the nail on the head, Admiral. And remember how Cooper said that the paramedic smiled at him as he placed the I.V. in his arm and the next thing he knew everything went dark. Don't you just know that that "paramedic" was Ethan. Can't you just see that scene playing out in your head with Ethan flashing Cooper that creepy smile of his as his sticks that I.V. needle in his arm.

The Others brought cooper to the island so that Ben could use him against Locke.

The one thing that I am curious about though is Tallahassee, FL. That is where Cooper was when he got in the "accident". It is also the city that Kate was headed to when she was first arrested by the Marshal. And Sawyer admitted to spending time there too. Was up with that place and it's ties to the storyline?

I too believe that it was the Others... Daddy's accident sounded just like their M.O. I can see creepo Ethan with the IV..... ew....

I picked up on that Tallahassee link too.... hmmm... we should brainstorm on that. When Ben said "bring me the man from Tallahassee" I expected to see Sawyer and low and behold it was.... great stuff!!!

I agree, it was the Others. Just another means of manipulation.

We Tallahassee viewers are still wondering why the "Man from Tallahassee" references. All we know at this point is that Cooper was last seen in Tallahassee, but that doesn't mean he is FROM there. And there were previous unflattering Tallahassee references revolving around Kate and Sawyer (James). There must be more to come.

The alternative explanation for Cooper coming to the island is via Smoky's accessing of Lostie memories.

We Tallahassee viewers are still wondering why the "Man from Tallahassee" references. All we know at this point is that Cooper was last seen in Tallahassee, but that doesn't mean he is FROM there. And there were previous unflattering Tallahassee references revolving around Kate and Sawyer (James). There must be more to come.

The alternative explanation for Cooper coming to the island is via Smoky's accessing of Lostie memories.

I thought about him being the smoke monster, but the Others working with Smokey does not fit. They are afraid of the smoke monster.

And remember how Cooper said that the paramedic smiled at him as he placed the I.V. in his arm and the next thing he knew everything went dark. Don't you just know that that "paramedic" was Ethan. Can't you just see that scene playing out in your head with Ethan flashing Cooper that creepy smile of his as his sticks that I.V. needle in his arm.Except Ethan would have been dead by then.

Maybe it was Juliet. No wait, he said "smiled;" not "smirked."

Except Ethan would have been dead by then.

Maybe it was Juliet. No wait, he said "smiled;" not "smirked."

My first thought was that it would be Richard. He could have just been playing the pretend medic, or he may have some basic medical training?

I believe the box or whatever is more or less a con in this case. I think that neither Locke nor Sawyer has brought Cooper. Instead, Ben wants Locke to think that he did. It was the "Others" that brought Cooper on this island (don't know the reason yet).

There is NO box! Even Ben confirmed it again last night when he told Locke that the box story was a metaphor. Cooper was run off the road and sedated and brought to the island by the others. Probably Alpert and that's when he came to the island.

My first thought was that it would be Richard. He could have just been playing the pretend medic, or he may have some basic medical training?

It's almost certainly Richard. If Mikhail's video feed in "One of Us" can be believed, Richard was in Florida with Rachel and Julian the day after the crash. He's obviously travelled to the Island since then, and he was the one entrusted to fetch the "man from Tallahassee" in that episode.

The Others brought Cooper to the island but I think the reason was Locke, not James. James had a long way to go but he was making social progress, relating to other people in his group, allowing himself to care, and doing things for people for no reason. His anger was there but it was beginning to dissipate and he was very remorseful about killing the wrong guy. He would not have killed Cooper if Cooper hadn't goaded him by tearing up the letter. Locke, on the other hand, never got over his resentment about being conned, yet he still wanted a relationship and still wanted to believe in Coopers goodness. Locke was a mess. The Others knew Locke was "special" and had a unique relationship with the island. They want that. They want to know how to get it, why Locke has it and not them, how it works. They knew as long as Locke was consumed by his feelings for Cooper, he could not fully concentrate so they brought Cooper for Locke. So I guess to answer the question, in a roundabout way, Locke brought Cooper to the island.

Personally I don't buy Cooper appearing just because Locke or Sawyer wanted him there. I believe the Others brought him to the island.

What I don't understand is why they would risk crashing Cooper's car at a high speed. What if he had died? Surely there were better ways of kidnapping him. Ambushing him when he's using the toilet, for example.

I think, no I know, that Cooper didn't appear just because Locke or Sawyer wanted him there. If that was the case, Cooper would've been on the island since the first season. I personally feel that the Others couldn't get what they wanted out of Locke by negotiating, so they had to take even further measures...which meant bringing him to the island to make him renew his faith in it.