So when we see the house go all freaky, do we get a glimpse of Jacob in the chair? Am I crazy or did I just see that? Also, whats the deal with an invisible Jacob? Did Ben's note to Locke "Because he spoke to you" mean the Ben was really just pretending to talk to him in the freaky house?

Re Jacob...


I caught a glimpse of someone too - a haggard-looking man in profile?

I saw that too. Never wanted a screencap so badly!!

We definitely got a glimpse, but it was so quick, we really need a good screencap. Really creepy voice.

I wonder about whether Jacob actually every spoke to Ben... I definitely wouldn't have put it past him to have faked his little "conversation" just to test whether Locke could actually see anything.

Is Jacob some invisible man from some experiment or some ghost?

Or maybe he's the monster and he appears like Eko's brother.

It's possible that Jacob can choose to whom he wants to appear and talk.

They fooled me again! :-)

Re: Jacob

He's definitely there. I can't screencap since I have no idea how to do it but I recorded it on DVR and played/rewound it many times. He's a white man with longish, light brown hair. Doesn't look too big. His profile reminded me of Pickett.

Yeah, I saw him too (for one second) but how come we didn't see him normally?
I mean, if he's a ghost it would be REALLY lame.

Jacob can see the future, think about the seen with Locke at the end and think about the look on Ben's face when locke said "Jacob said 'Help Me'" the look on Bens face suggests shock

Yeah, I saw him too (for one second) but how come we didn't see him normally?
I mean, if he's a ghost it would be REALLY lame.

I think Jacob can choose who gets to see him. I think we only got a glimpse of him in the episode because he was p*ssed off and out of control.

Jacob captured

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg

well, my my, what a crazy little house!

ok I am going to guess that Jacob is in a different dimension or slightly out of phase with our dimension or like that ep of the twilight zone where there are workers that exist between what would be our seconds

When everything was going crazy in the house, the camera panned from ben to the chair and there was someone in it. SCREENCAPS

Studying the cap im gunna say:

,aybe an older Des,william hurt LOL

We saw him, too! Right after Ben smacks against the wall, the camera flashes to the chair and there's a tallish man with long frizzy hair! Holy cow!

Jacob captured

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg
Wow, thanks for that! It's hard to make out, of course, but I definitely see what people are saying. I must have blinked and missed it.

Nope, I don't think Ben saw anything at all, or heard anything. I think he knows that Jacob is there, but he was faking the whole conversation. He hasn't been able to communicate with Jacob before.

Ben is toast.

And Locke.... ???

someone posted this cap:

(not me)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg

Jacob captured

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg

Man, you are quick. Good picture. I totally missed it, thanks for posting it.

Man, getting a lot of busy signals tonight.

I have a funny feeling it's Alpert for some reason. The guy doesn't age, was the first one Ben saw while entering "hostile" territory while hearing whispers, and can arrange for someone to get hit by a bus. If he can arrange for someone to get hit by a bus, maybe he is also the one to cure Juliet's sisters cancer. And, according to Ben, that man was Jacob. It might not add up, but I can't think of anything better right now.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, that's creepy. I definitely have to rewatch this episode several times, especially that scene! Good catch! I was so freaked by the moment that I didn't see that at all.

The cap was posted in the Jacob thread.

That was so bizaare. I thought there was a figure, and when I backed it up in slow motion I just about jumped...

He had such a deep voice... I like the thought that it's Des, but I didn't detect any accent... But then again, he only said two words..

It does seem that he is in another time, an age before electricity..

it's LOCKE!

i thought it looked like Locke a bit myself

When I watch it in slow mo I can make out a little bit as far as features go...his hair seems to be about shoulder length (kind of like Sawyers) and he definitly has a bit of facial hair going.

cheers

I caught that there was sosmeone there too but I thought it was just my mind playing tricks on me but wow, there really is someone there! holy bejesus this creeps me out! haha I've never been this freaked/scared of a Lost episode since s2.

Jacob = Captain of the Black Rock?

Well I looked at the picture DemonSVK provided. Thank you! I brightened it and everything, but based on his facial features I really can't make out who it is. It looks like a whole new character all together, one we didn't meet yet?

Christian Shepard, anyone? :biggrin:

He looks to me like he's wearing the garb of a Minuteman from the American Revolution.

someone posted this cap:

(not me)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg
It's Enrico Pallazzo!!!

DemonSVK: You are my hero!!!! Thank you thank you thank you!!!

Looks totally like Locke with hair and whiskers

I saw kind of a shadow so I'm glad someone caught a screencap. Cool!

he has a distinctive nose, he should be easy to recognize when we see him

Jacob is Locke. Block off the hair and it looks exactly like Locke.

Holy crap!

it is LOCKE for sure. he was speaking to himself because he knew he was going to be shot.

Well, I rewound my VCR tape to get a look at "Jacob." With the long flowing hair, you think Desmond, and you notice his hair length is similar to Sawyer's, but the man's hair is grey, and he has a beard. I think there is misdirection here.

So I feel Jacob is really- Christian Shepherd. If we assume Jacob is someone we have already seen on the show, then Christian's facial features match up pretty well. Seems like he was wearing a grey undershirt and a red button shirt, unbuttoned, but it was difficult to see in the dark.

Plus, Jack's father's body is never recovered- we never find out what happened to him.

I have no idea- we will find out more eventually. But Jacob reminds me of Christian first, and an aged Desmond as my second choice. But both could be wrong :)...

I think Jacob is some "spirit of the island" that Ben has trapped. There was some kind of powder all around the land the house was on. Locke stopped to feel and taste it. He's sort of like Smokey, who can talk and take human form, but neutered in some way. Ben wanting to know what he said to Locke was like Locke being all eager to know what the island showed Boone in "Hearts and Minds."

Cardie

Jacob = Captain of the Black Rock?

One of my first thoughts as well.

Nice call.

cheers

"I caught a glimpse of someone too - a haggard-looking man in profile?"
- I saw that too, I tried to rewind but my DVR's been acting janky. Hopefully lost-media will have a screencap tomorrow!

I think it's Locke too... Watched the scene several times and it does look like him..

Add to that the line that Ben says to Locke - "He likes technology about as much as you do.."

I was reminded of Keyser Soze for some reason. LOL.

Someone is probably able to do this a lot better than I am ... but here's a copy of that cap of Jacob after being lightened up a bit, I played with the highlights too. Made it pixelated but we can see a little more:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/erins/492084611/

Magnus Hanso! I am only semi-serious here, but Magnus crashed a long time ago, he was prob old when he did so, young men were not usually captians of large trading vessels. It has been mentioned countless times he looks like a pirate, I think he looks more like a 1800's ships captian, who is a little rough for the wear, it might explaine his temper and aversion to technology.

ERINS... you rawk!

I think Jacob is some "spirit of the island" that Ben has trapped. There was some kind of powder all around the land the house was on. Locke stopped to feel and taste it. He's sort of like Smokey, who can talk and take human form, but neutered in some way.

Jacob is "sort of like Smokey"? I was having a crazy idea that Jacob IS Smokey, or an aspect of him. At first I thought the ring around the cabin was volcanic ash or perhaps gunpowder (a signal or trap of some sort maybe?). But what if that ring was the black dust/smoke we see when the Monster is in that form? Just an idea, I'm prepared to accept that I'm quite mad.

Yeah! I thought I saw something.

To me, it looks like that Horace guy that brought Ben and his father to the island.I thought the camera held on him too long when Ben discovered his body.

Wasn't darkufo reporting that Horace was a cover for someone else? Maybe that's still the case.

I have an HD-DVR, and can definitely confirm the screencap. He's there, all right. In the episode, they actually showed a bit more of him, but nothing special--just the clothes.

Very, very creepy.

Yeah, I got pretty freaked out. :scared:
Jacob is "sort of like Smokey"? I was having a crazy idea that Jacob IS Smokey, or an aspect of him. At first I thought the ring around the cabin was volcanic ash or perhaps gunpowder (a signal or trap of some sort maybe?). But what if that ring was the black dust/smoke we see when the Monster is in that form? Just an idea, I'm prepared to accept that I'm quite mad.
For a minute, I also thought of smokey. Good point about the black ring. Hmmmm....

Hello there, Gregg!!!

Whoa! Check this out!

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Scroll down a little to 'the 11 frames of Jacob'.

In slow-mo, in HD the image is pretty clear -- it does in fact look a lot like Locke with long hair.

But I'm going with Magnus Hanso, 1880s ship captain, well-preserved (like Richard) into the present day, and wary of modern technology.

And don't forget who Magnus is probably named for (from Lostpedia):

"Albertus Magnus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertus_Magnus) was a German (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Germany) philosopher and theologian.

Magnus was one of the greatest alchemists of all time, and was also the discoverer of the legendary "Philosopher's Stone" (which could allegedly be combined with certain metals to create a youth-preserving elixir; that would make its general objective similar to that of the Life Extension Project (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Life_Extension_Project)) and the creator of a supernatural device, an automaton which he named "Android". Using the "...angels from the netherworld..." and the powers of the Philosopher's Stone, he created "metals and material unknown to this world..." and chose them "according to the stars and planets...". This "android" was instilled with the powers of speech, thought, and according to some reports, a soul. Upon completion of this project, his student St. Thomas Aquinas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas) destroyed the "diabolic being" and denounced it as "...a tool of Satan and a blasphemy to God.""

I posted this in the Jacob thread too, but I lightened up the screencap a little bit and got this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/erins/492084611/

I agree with gf2020.. I think it's Doug Hutchison who played Horace...

WOW!! I didn't even see that!! I don't have HD so I don't know if I would have noticed it.

Thanks for pointing that out!!

Jacobs voice was Carlton Cuse.....in his last podcast he said he would be doing more voice over work this season.

I think Jacob is some "spirit of the island" that Ben has trapped. There was some kind of powder all around the land the house was on. Locke stopped to feel and taste it. He's sort of like Smokey, who can talk and take human form, but neutered in some way. Ben wanting to know what he said to Locke was like Locke being all eager to know what the island showed Boone in "Hearts and Minds."

Cardie

I noticed that Ben heard a healthy dose of the whispers in tonight's episode. My bet is Ben was able to locate the source of the whispers, which are in fact disembodied souls. It appears as if Ben is able to contain "Jacob" (who could be one person, or like the Biblical demon "Legion" aka "because there are many of us" inhabiting one form) within the confines of the house, or at least within the barrier that has been set-up. I'm not sure what the dust is, but it must contain properties (electromagnetic?) that keep beings like Jacob from wandering.

Ben knows that he has caught *something*, and has probably had some traumatic experiences in the past (akin to demonic possession and the like), but has been unable to communicate or see the physical manifestation of Jacob-which Locke was able to see, but only briefly, because Jacob phases in and out of our dimension.

I think this was another con by Ben to get Locke to do some dirty work for him-in this case bring Jacob to life.

It would appear that Jacob wants to use Locke as some sort of vessel, hence the "help me." I would wager that Jacob has somehow escaped the confines of his prison, probably through Locke's "death" and will use Locke's body to manifest himself. He will then seek his revenge-with Ben being the first to go.

It could be Alvar Hanso.

Whoa! Check this out!

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Scroll down a little to 'the 11 frames of Jacob'.

Wow, you have to LOVE DarkUFO.

Okay, that close up REALLY freaking looks like Locke in 19th century garb (a la Black Rock?), with a beard and long hair. The profile, forehead, and chin are an uncanny resemblence.

I thought the ring of ash was for protection, like the ring of salt from mythology. It was in a precise line, not like it was flung everywhere.

I don't think Jacob is Locke. Does look similar, but I think it's a whole new character we've just seen. I think we'll recognize him from a recent or upcoming flashback when we do see his face.

The black ring has been brought up in this thread:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=78860

to keep him prisoner?

I wish we could get some screencaps with a bit more resolution. The caps posted thus far pixelate too much when lightened. So far it looks like Terry O'Quinn with a wig. I don't think any of the other candidates mentioned can pull off the high hairline look like O'Quinn can. Just another one of his many talents.

By any chance, did anyone look at the credits and notice an actor not otherwise seen in the episode..someone cast as Jacob. Not sure what the rules are for crediting actors, but if you have to credit someone for an all-important, split-second appearance and we don't have an actor's name, then I like the O'Quinn option the best.

Hmm, I totally missed that. Very interesting. I was hoping that Jacob would be someone that we hadn't seen before.

I think the guy in the chair is probably some extra and whenever Jacob manifests or we meet him in flashback they will cast him or bring on the person we already know that he's supposed to be. But I think he's a native from the 19th century whose spirit lives on the island, as the spirits of everyone who ever lived on the island do, floating around and whispering.

Cardie

After looking at the screen cap a bit, there is a strong similarity o Lock in the profile of jacob.

Wow.... actually think that the people now are writing the show again to give a little more than before. Wow

From DarkUFO's pics (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/), notice the Shroud of Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin) type picture in the white light?

I think that pic of Jacob looks like Michael Gross...from Family Ties...it just struck me...

I think the guy in the chair is probably some extra and whenever Jacob manifests or we meet him in flashback they will cast him or bring on the person we already know that he's supposed to be. But I think he's a native from the 19th century whose spirit lives on the island, as the spirits of everyone who ever lived on the island do, floating around and whispering.
Cardie

I agree, Cardie. I think Jacob is a 19th century spirit but I think he's the captain of the Black Rock...maybe Magnus Hanso.

it's LOCKE!
YES!!!! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought so...

What if it is Locke in a hood instead of a wig?

someone posted this cap:

(not me)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg

Is that the cat from the Flame Station on his shoulder?

From DarkUFO's pics (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/), notice the Shroud of Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin) type picture in the white light?


Did Magnus Hanso have a dog?

Jacobs voice was Carlton Cuse.....in his last podcast he said he would be doing more voice over work this season.

Heh, I thought Jacob's line sounded like Kelvin when I first heard it.

Looks like Alvar Hanso to me. Look at him on www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org)
Interesting that the Hanso Foundations work is to bring rebirth to a dying land and a dying people. The island is dying as are its people, Locke is the key to its survival, and Alvar Hanso is reaching out to him. Thats my 2 cents worth anyways.

I did a picture of Locke and Jacob side by side... It's pretty close - especially nose and chin...

Locke/Jacob side by side (http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n124/newenglandpics/?action=view&current=locke-jacob.jpg)

Still think Jacob is most likely just the island. After all, Ben is the king of manipulation.

This comparison was done by Limner:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/orangepopemobile/JacobLockeCompare.jpg

I'm not convinced it's him. The nose is especially distinctive in that big pic on Dark Ufo's site.

And as others have pointed out, if Ben could see Jacob was Locke at all, he wouldn't be interacting with Locke the way he has, nor would he have shot him.

My DH and I totally missed him the first time around. We went back to watch the scene again and my DH yelled "there's someone in the chair!" Holy cr@p! I took a pic of it with my camera - it looks much like the one in the link. Too cool!

As for looking like Locke, I'm not so sure. Does Locke's nose have a lump like that? We need a side profile of Locke. Any one have one?

I did a picture of Locke and Jacob side by side... It's pretty close - especially nose and chin...

Locke/Jacob side by side (http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n124/newenglandpics/?action=view&current=locke-jacob.jpg)

When i saw the first screen cap someone else had I thought that it looked a little bit like locke now I'm even more convinced that Jacob is locke. I could be wrong.

Anyone else think it look like the brother from Desmonds last flashback.
The guy who introduced him to the monastry. Failing that it definately looks like horace.

Is that the cat from the Flame Station on his shoulder?

I didn't notice any cat...But I def think it looks like Locke with frizzy hair. The nose is the most telling feature. I backed my DVR backwards & forwards over the 8 - 10 frames he appears in and I'm convinced it was Terry O'Quinn in that chair...you can also just make out the same stubble on his chin that Locke was sporting this eppy.

Perhaps Jacob is a mirror of how whomever sees him sees themselves...I mean...we were obviously "seeing" Jacob from Locke's point of view...perhaps when Jacob DOES show himself...you see yourself, as you see yourself in your mind's eye...In Locke's case...with a heapin helpin of frizzy hair.

Very interesting...because until I backed it up and looked with my own eyes...I was assuming the whole thing...the house...the stuff being thrown around the room...the chair rocking...was all a big "show" that Ben had set up to happen if someone "forced" him to take them to "Jacob". But the figure sittin in that chair def refutes that theory.

Perhaps Ben became fascinated that he could "see" and communicate with his dead mother over the years...just as Eko was able to talk to Yemi...and Jack saw his father, etc. Perhaps Ben was out looking for mom one day...but instead, came upon this Jacob character....and he found a way to imprison Jacob in that house...which is why Jacob pleaded..."Help...Meeee...." to Locke.

And perhaps these ghost-like beings only appear to the ones they show themselves to originally...which is why Locke couldn't see him sitting in the chair. Locke also couldn't see Yemi when he was trying to help Eko uncover the location of the Pearl hatch.

And I think "the whispers" the Losties have been hearing since they hit the island, are these lost souls trying to communicate with them.

Hmmm... Maybe Jacob looks like Locke because on the show tonight we saw him from Locke's point of view??

I guess what I mean to say is that maybe when people see Jacob what they see is a distorted vision of themselves? The figurative "man in the mirror" if you will...

Am I the only one that thinks it looks like the profile of a werewolf or demon of some sort!?? I wonder if he only has 4 toes... (For that matter I wonder if Richard only has 4 toes too!)

Btw, Andok, that Hanso link didn't work.

Btw, Andok, that Hanso link didn't work.


Fixed, thanks, it is www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org) not com. my bad.

I'm so glad to see this thread! I have HD but no recorder, so I couldn't check the scene again to see if I was losing my mind. Which is, of course, what I thought Ben was doing until that moment. ;)

I'm still trying to figure out why Jacob was invisible otherwise. I'm not sure what perspective we're supposed to see it from... if it's from Locke's, I feel like he would've noticed that someone was there (sort of). But then, he might have assumed it was all part of the act...

Am I the only one that thinks it looks like the profile of a werewolf or demon of some sort!?? I wonder if he only has 4 toes... (For that matter I wonder if Richard only has 4 toes too!)lol, no you're not Selene.... For a minute I thought he looked distinctively feline... Like part-lion, or something out of "Island of Dr. Moreau".

Then again, the whole scene was so creepy I think my brain was playing tricks.. That shack reminded me of the "Blair Witch Project"... Maybe Ben should have stood in the corner... ;)

Am I the only one that thinks it looks like the profile of a werewolf or demon of some sort!?? I wonder if he only has 4 toes... (For that matter I wonder if Richard only has 4 toes too!)

Btw, Andok, that Hanso link didn't work.


Thank God someone thought something similar to me...
To me.. It screamed Vampire.. Maybe because of the sinister jars with red stuff (blood?)
Or the hairline ... The eyes , there also seems to be something wrong with his eyes
I was reading the threads and thinking I was crazy for being the only one who thought he just didn´t look "human"

Thanks so very much for the screencaps, guys! I have broadcast tv, and not the greatest reception, so I totally missed this very important experience watching it "live". In case they rerun it next week, exactly when should I look for the glimpse of this "apparition"? Thanks!

I didn't notice any cat...But I def think it looks like Locke with frizzy hair. The nose is the most telling feature. I backed my DVR backwards & forwards over the 8 - 10 frames he appears in and I'm convinced it was Terry O'Quinn in that chair...you can also just make out the same stubble on his chin that Locke was sporting this eppy.

Perhaps Jacob is a mirror of how whomever sees him sees themselves...I mean...we were obviously "seeing" Jacob from Locke's point of view...perhaps when Jacob DOES show himself...you see yourself, as you see yourself in your mind's eye...In Locke's case...with a heapin helpin of frizzy hair.

Very interesting...because until I backed it up and looked with my own eyes...I was assuming the whole thing...the house...the stuff being thrown around the room...the chair rocking...was all a big "show" that Ben had set up to happen if someone "forced" him to take them to "Jacob". But the figure sittin in that chair def refutes that theory.

Perhaps Ben became fascinated that he could "see" and communicate with his dead mother over the years...just as Eko was able to talk to Yemi...and Jack saw his father, etc. Perhaps Ben was out looking for mom one day...but instead, came upon this Jacob character....and he found a way to imprison Jacob in that house...which is why Jacob pleaded..."Help...Meeee...." to Locke.

And perhaps these ghost-like beings only appear to the ones they show themselves to originally...which is why Locke couldn't see him sitting in the chair. Locke also couldn't see Yemi when he was trying to help Eko uncover the location of the Pearl hatch.

And I think "the whispers" the Losties have been hearing since they hit the island, are these lost souls trying to communicate with them.

Excellent ideas! But are you saying you don't think Locke saw Jacob in the chair? I've watched the scene a few times frame by frame and I thought the shocked look on Locke's face was because he finally did see Jacob. My DH thought so, too. :confused:

Ah, I just know I'm going to bed with a headache! :frown:

someone posted this cap:

(not me)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg


I didnt see that when I watched at first! I used photoshop to enhance the pic and it looks kinda like Jesus!

I think it is Locke... or a relative? I superimposed one image over the other, and the skull is the same, which leads me to believe... here it is:

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/Gallerytwentyeight/lockesuperimp.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

I google image searched John Locke and found this picture. Look familiar?

http://uploader.ws/upload/200705/locke_1.jpg

I think that pic of Jacob looks like Michael Gross...from Family Ties...it just struck me...


:biggrin: Me too. I hope it's not really him, that dude always kinda freaked me out for some reason.

More Strangeness:
If you have it recorded watch in slo-mo again.
As Ben is flown across the room and hits the wall, it appears that a flashlight
is shining in his face from the direction of where the chair is.
Also, A fire starts, correct?!
Suddenly in an instant it is completely out.
Watch in slow-mo and correct me on these things or comment.

WWhat do we know?
1) The Others have become increasingly dissatisfied with Ben as their leader,
especially since Locke's arrival among them.
2) Locke is someone they've been expecting, as was made clear last week when Ben
attempted to discredit him saying, "He's not who we thought he was." Remaining
question...who do they think he is? (Is it possible they thought that Ben was that
person when they came upon him in the jungle as a boy?)
3) Ben said that until Locke showed up in his house, he couldn't even wiggle his toes,
but as soon as Locke showed up, he felt pins & needles...it would stand to reason
that, if Locke radiates a level of his "special" qualities, and his communion with the
island rests heavily with the island's ability to heal, perhaps Jacob felt these affects
when John arrived with Ben, and finally felt there was someone who could help him.
4) He said "Help Me" to John as he went to leave...this was to make him believe...Ben
apparently didn't hear this. Locke didn't believe there was anyone in the chair,
but he DEFINITELY saw Jacob when he threw Ben against the wall (there is a close
up of Jacob's eye as he turns his gaze from a stunned Ben to a frightened John),
hence he ran out of the cabin...afraid...
5) Ben said he was sorry that John was too "limited" to see...limited by his loss of
faith...(the same thing happened last season with The Hatch and the pushing of the
button)...this is another trial for John to overcome...
6) Ben shot John because he wanted to know what Jacob said to him. I think of the
scene in the Stanly Kubrick film "The Shining" when we hear the telepathic question,
"Do you want some ice cream, Doc?"...we hear it, and the intended recipient of the
question hears it...Jacob did not intend for Ben to hear what he said to Locke.
Apparently Jacob has become dissatisfied with Ben as well.
7) Ben needed to exercise a tremendous ammount of patience to deal with his father
until the time of "The Purge". Perhaps Jacob has been exerting the same patience
with Ben until the arrival of Locke. Perhaps The Others have been exerting this
same patience with Ben.
8) Alex gave Locke a gun before he and Ben left to go see Jacob. Richard and Tom
ignored Ben's plea to stop Locke from beating Mikhail to a bloody pulp. All of The
Others knew where Locke and Ben were going. It would stand to reason that at least
one of them would follow not too far behind...
9) Ben is a mass-murderer...the island doesn't take kindly to evil-doers of that ilk.
10) Ben had a look more of shock and awe than anything else when Locke told him
what he heard Jacob say. Possibly because of what Jacob said, or (and I believe
more probable) because Locke admitted that he heard Jacob's voice, thereby also
admitting that he believed Jacob exists. (Until this point, Ben was the "only one"
who spoke to or heard from Jacob.
11) No matter what the truth behind these circumstances...nothing will ever be the
same after this. (I believe that when Locke heals from his wounds, his resolve will
be infinitely stronger, and his purpose more clear. This will be the end of Ben.)

Why did Alex think Locke would need a gun on the journey to see Jacob? She must've had some idea of what would happen... but it seems like you can't shoot someone who's (mostly) not there. This suggests something about the Others' (aside from Ben's) perceptions of Jacob. Do they think he's a real person? As in, the reason they don't see him is that they never get 'summoned' rather than not seeing him because they can't...?

Or maybe she just knew what Ben was going to do.

I still say that Jacob is Horace... he seemed to be significant to Ben, and he does have that high forehead and that nose... www.doughutchison.com/ (http://www.doughutchison.com/)

Jacob is "sort of like Smokey"? I was having a crazy idea that Jacob IS Smokey, or an aspect of him. At first I thought the ring around the cabin was volcanic ash or perhaps gunpowder (a signal or trap of some sort maybe?). But what if that ring was the black dust/smoke we see when the Monster is in that form? Just an idea, I'm prepared to accept that I'm quite mad.
When I first watched the scene, I thought that Jacob was who we've seen as Smokey. I really didn't see his image in the confusion. I need to rewatch the scene several times.
I also wondered if the black ring wasn't gun powder...


Magnus Hanso! I am only semi-serious here, but Magnus crashed a long time ago, he was prob old when he did so, young men were not usually captians of large trading vessels. It has been mentioned countless times he looks like a pirate, I think he looks more like a 1800's ships captian, who is a little rough for the wear, it might explaine his temper and aversion to technology.
This was my first thought when I saw the pic. He may not have been the captain of the ship but he was the owner and was buried on the Island.

My second thought after looking at the original picture, was that it was Ben because it looked like his forehead and hairline (until you get to the pony tail part. :redface: ) I decided that I was wrong about that and then studied the features a little more and agree with the following -

Jacob is Locke. Block off the hair and it looks exactly like Locke.

it is LOCKE for sure. he was speaking to himself because he knew he was going to be shot.



I did a picture of Locke and Jacob side by side... It's pretty close - especially nose and chin...

Locke/Jacob side by side (http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n124/newenglandpics/?action=view&current=locke-jacob.jpg)

Hmmm... Maybe Jacob looks like Locke because on the show tonight we saw him from Locke's point of view??

I guess what I mean to say is that maybe when people see Jacob what they see is a distorted vision of themselves? The figurative "man in the mirror" if you will...


Another thought I had on Jacob is that he manifests himself differently to different people. Ben can see him but not hear him. Locke can't see him but he can hear him. I wonder if Des was there, if he would see him in a different time. We have to remember that time has become a major factor on the Island and must play into Jacob's game with the people who come to his Island. Is he a spirit? Does he reflect the person's thoughts and, if he does, is that what caused the conflict in the cabin? Does he exist in another dimension of time and is just able to time travel like Des but he's weakened from something? As always with Lost, for every answer, there are twenty questions! Can't wait to see more on this!

Jacob = Captain of the Black Rock?

That's what the hubby and I are thinking. The chains in the cabin, the old stove, the way the dude is dressed.

Looks totally like Locke with hair and whiskers

wow after reading that and looking at the picture again, i have to agree... it does look like it could be locke's facial profile

He reminds me of Locke when he was younger

That does look an awful lot like Locke with lots of hair (more than we've seen in his flashbacks).
Of course, that begs the question - what would it mean if it's Locke?

I think that pic of Jacob looks like Michael Gross...from Family Ties...it just struck me...

I can see that...I also think he looks a little bit like Timothy Busfield.

cheers

Is that the cat from the Flame Station on his shoulder?

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/870/jacobos5.jpg

I think it's a monkey. There are three light areas near Jacob's left eye that show it's ear, muzzle and brow, as you look at it clockwise. At first look, Jacob seems to have long hair, but your seeing the monkey's back.

I too think the man is Locke, or that's how he's being shown at least.

Maybe Jacob is Locke but in a different time? That's why the "Help Me" was a few minutes too early? It's the same person/spirit in a mixed up time?

I don't know, as good as any theory! They blew my mind and anything is possible!

I think it's Locke, but more than that, I think it's important that Ben didn't really see or hear Jacob. The look on Ben's face after shooting Locke (and then hearing Locke's acccount of what Jacob actually said) says to me that Ben is TERRIFIED.

I've been thinking since FBYE that some of what's going on is due to the losties going back and forth in time. What if Locke develops this power (or has it)? It would be a completely crazy ending to the series if, in the ultimate finale, we see John Locke in a run-down house, with some strange containers of red liquid, a painting of a dog, and a dusty chair, alone on the island... and in walks Ben? Pure speculation, but it would be cool.

The person almost has desmond like hair.......

I think that Jacob can select who he appears to and who he speaks to. That way he would be able to talk to Locke without Ben hearing him, and also that Ben can see him and not Locke..

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/870/jacobos5.jpg

I think it's a monkey. There are three light areas near Jacob's left eye that show it's ear, muzzle and brow, as you look at it clockwise. At first look, Jacob seems to have long hair, but your seeing the monkey's back.

I too think the man is Locke, or that's how he's being shown at least.

People.... this guy doesn't look anything like locke! If I had to pick a Lost character he looked like it would be Picket.

If you go to Lostpedia and look up Jacob, they have new info on him from this episode. They mention a scar on his face by his right eye I think, just like Locke has. I didn't see the scar though after rewatching the episode, but maybe just because it goes by so fast.

The episode was called The Man Behind the Curtain. In The Wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain pulled all sorts of tricks to make it seem like he was omnipotent. Could the same thing be happening here? Could the whole house be rigged? And could there be someone/something trapped that was trying to call Locke for help?

I just watched it in slow mo and that was crazy!!! I totally missed it before. Looks like the guys is wearing an orange or red suit
100%
he has a very protruding forehead. is it possible that it's jack's dad

I think Jacob is some "spirit of the island" that Ben has trapped. There was some kind of powder all around the land the house was on. Locke stopped to feel and taste it. He's sort of like Smokey, who can talk and take human form, but neutered in some way. Ben wanting to know what he said to Locke was like Locke being all eager to know what the island showed Boone in "Hearts and Minds."

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I agree the ring of powder keeps the spirit prisioner.

It would appear that Jacob wants to use Locke as some sort of vessel, hence the "help me." I would wager that Jacob has somehow escaped the confines of his prison, probably through Locke's "death" and will use Locke's body to manifest himself. He will then seek his revenge-with Ben being the first to go.

I think Jacob just wants John to break the ring of powder

My theory on Jacob is:

The man that found young Ben in the Jungle was Jacob, he looks like Richard because he's Richard's father. Jacob was the leader of the "hostiles", the original inhabitants of the island, who despised DHARMA and all of its technology.

After The Purge, Jacob's wife gave birth to Richard, at which point Ben realized he wasn't going to move up the ladder in his new society either; baby Richard would inherit Jacob's throne. So, Ben probably murdered Jacob and someone, somehow smuggled the baby out of the island or Ben wasn't capable of killing him and sent him away with someone he trusted (Tom? Mikhail?) to watch him like a hawk. Ben kept tabs on Richard and probably orchestrated his entire life.

He then began his power move telling everyone that baby Richard was dead and Jacob was heartbroken, didn't want to get out of his cabin, relayed instructions to him, and so on. The "hostiles" probably believed him for a while, but when people began getting too suspicious, Ben probably arranged for their demise.

Meanwhile, whatever DHARMA was doing on the island caused the increase in sperm production and death in pregnant women, so the tribe started to die out. This is when Ben decided to use DHARMA left over installations and bring outside researchers to fix the problem.

On that screencap he looks like the Horace character a lot. When I saw the circle thing I thought it was a circle of salt.

I dunno if anyone else has posted a link to this yet but the Wikipedia entry on a "Magic Circle" is pretty interesting including this:

The main reason for casting a circle is to contain any energy raised by the ritual that follows. As more and more energy is raised from chanting and dancing the energy becomes more concentrated. After the circle has been cast it is believed that if forms a "cone of power"; which starts on the ground as the circle shape and extends upwards to make a point, thus creating a cone shape. When magic is done being performed, the energy is then released through this point to enter the universe and serve its purpose.
The purpose of circle casting isn't always for protection. The caster often uses it to meditate or host rituals or even pray.
This circle is also believed to be an area which straddles two dimensions or realities. It becomes a sacred space between the mundane world and the otherside. Also known as the "veil between worlds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle#Maintaining_the_circle

Jacob/he/it looks like Horace Goodspeed more than Locke.
This whole epidsode blew my mind!

The episode was called The Man Behind the Curtain. In The Wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain pulled all sorts of tricks to make it seem like he was omnipotent.

Right, and all along we think it's Ben who's pulling the strings (or the levers, or whatever the Wizard had...). But what if it's not? What if, for example, Locke is the Man Behind the Curtain?

I ask that because I just rewatched the scene with Locke, Ben, and Mikhail at the camp. Locke beats Ben at his own game by calling Ben out in front of the Others. Could it be that Locke really is manipulating more than we know about?

I think it is Locke... or a relative? I superimposed one image over the other, and the skull is the same, which leads me to believe... here it is:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/Gallerytwentyeight/lockesuperimp.jpgBut if it's Locke or even looks like him, don't you think Ben would recognize the resemblance?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-516.html

I need to watch this again, like everyone else. But look at the cap of Locke above. This shot jumped out at me in the episode because if you look at the cap before
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-515.html
and after
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-517.html
It doesn't fit. It is also very dark like Jaacob's

A few things that I'll have to ponder for awhile:

Ben was apparently having a conversation with Jacob... but couldn't hear what Jacob said to Locke?

"He has the same attitude toward technology that you have" ? Did I miss something? Has Locke ever stated a distaste for technology?

The lantern was knocked over and a fire started on the floor of the cabin. Later, after Locke is outside, Ben calmly exits the cabin. The cabin is not on fire and Ben is carrying the lantern... intact.

What kind of "HELP" can a ghost possibly need?
And if Jacob is so huge and important, then why was Ben treating him like a child?
Ben certainly didn't seem scared of Jacob when he was in his house. He was argumentative with Jacob. And if this Jacob is so important, then why hasn't anyone else seen him? Maybe Ben has a gift of being able to see dead people, like he did with his Mom. But, anyone can go to Jacob's house so why all the fear? I think that Jacob would welcome anyone that came to see him if they could "help him" with whatever he needs.
From what I saw tonight, I'd say that Jacob could use a long, hot bath, a haircut and a new set of clean clothes. (And a maid to clean his place up wouldn't hurt either.)

And does anyone else here think that Ben & Annie were at one time married and she died while pregnant? Maybe the baby died too and so he stole Alex to replace his dead baby.

I noticed that Ben heard a healthy dose of the whispers in tonight's episode. My bet is Ben was able to locate the source of the whispers, which are in fact disembodied souls. It appears as if Ben is able to contain "Jacob" (who could be one person, or like the Biblical demon "Legion" aka "because there are many of us" inhabiting one form) within the confines of the house, or at least within the barrier that has been set-up. I'm not sure what the dust is, but it must contain properties (electromagnetic?) that keep beings like Jacob from wandering.

Ben knows that he has caught *something*, and has probably had some traumatic experiences in the past (akin to demonic possession and the like), but has been unable to communicate or see the physical manifestation of Jacob-which Locke was able to see, but only briefly, because Jacob phases in and out of our dimension.

I think this was another con by Ben to get Locke to do some dirty work for him-in this case bring Jacob to life.

It would appear that Jacob wants to use Locke as some sort of vessel, hence the "help me." I would wager that Jacob has somehow escaped the confines of his prison, probably through Locke's "death" and will use Locke's body to manifest himself. He will then seek his revenge-with Ben being the first to go.

Sounds like a good guess, but I'm hoping it's not that, because it reminds me too much of Harry Potter.

...I don't think Ben saw anything at all, or heard anything. I think he knows that Jacob is there, but he was faking the whole conversation. He hasn't been able to communicate with Jacob before.

I think you're right and Ben knows that if Locke was able to hear Jacob, then Locke will end up taking Ben's place as leader of the Others. And that's why he shot him.

Jacob = Captain of the Black Rock?

That's what I think too. That cabin could easily be 150 years old -- built after his ship wrecked there. And after seeing the screencaps of Jacob, I think it looks like he's wearing an old swashbuckler type of shirt.

I have a funny feeling it's Alpert for some reason. The guy doesn't age...

If Jacob is from the Black Rock, he's obviously ageless in a way (seems to have lost his body, but he's still "living", I guess). So maybe Alpert is a direct descendant -- son or grandson?

I think that pic of Jacob looks like Michael Gross...from Family Ties...it just struck me...

Me too!

I still say that Jacob is Horace... he seemed to be significant to Ben, and he does have that high forehead and that nose... www.doughutchison.com/ (http://www.doughutchison.com/)

No way. Horace might have more significance than what we've seen so far, but he died in the purge.

"He has the same attitude toward technology that you have" ? Did I miss something? Has Locke ever stated a distaste for technology?

That refers to the scene in Ben's Otherville house (several eps back), when Locke told him the reason the island wasn't healing him was because of "refrigerated chicken" (meaning he was relying on technology too much and it was interfering with his ability to commune with the island).

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=96964&fullsize=1

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=97810&fullsize=1

The Black Rock and Jacob's house look like they are only partically imagined. The Black Rock looked more solid, as in, not like mirage, when we saw it the first time.

That refers to the scene in Ben's Otherville house (several eps back), when Locke told him the reason the island wasn't healing him was because of "refrigerated chicken" (meaning he was relying on technology too much and it was interfering with his ability to commune with the island).
Thank you. I didn't make that connection. It's a little too obtuse for me.

looks like a completely new character to me. the hair is partially receding and ragged like an older man. kind of has a stern, light chin.. maybe some grey scruff? it kind of reminds me of the teacher who was on head of the class... the long hair teacher. haha.. SORT of..

maybe Jacob is John's "bad twin".

I agree the ring of powder keeps the spirit prisioner.



I think Jacob just wants John to break the ring of powder

My theory on Jacob is:

The man that found young Ben in the Jungle was Jacob, he looks like Richard because he's Richard's father. Jacob was the leader of the "hostiles", the original inhabitants of the island, who despised DHARMA and all of its technology.

After The Purge, Jacob's wife gave birth to Richard, at which point Ben realized he wasn't going to move up the ladder in his new society either; baby Richard would inherit Jacob's throne. So, Ben probably murdered Jacob and someone, somehow smuggled the baby out of the island or Ben wasn't capable of killing him and sent him away with someone he trusted (Tom? Mikhail?) to watch him like a hawk. Ben kept tabs on Richard and probably orchestrated his entire life.

He then began his power move telling everyone that baby Richard was dead and Jacob was heartbroken, didn't want to get out of his cabin, relayed instructions to him, and so on. The "hostiles" probably believed him for a while, but when people began getting too suspicious, Ben probably arranged for their demise.

Meanwhile, whatever DHARMA was doing on the island caused the increase in sperm production and death in pregnant women, so the tribe started to die out. This is when Ben decided to use DHARMA left over installations and bring outside researchers to fix the problem.

You might be thinking of a little movie called "The Lion King"...

does Jacob not consider guns as technology and lets it inside his house? or do you have to "fire" the gun like putting on the flashlight in order for him to get ticked?

Hey y'all...did anyone else catch that split second clip of a BROWN eye (both Locke and Ben are Blue or Green) right after we see that ghost-like vision of a man in the chair??? Anyone got a screencap? I think it's Jacob's eye.

It doesn't matter what Jacob looked like tonight, have you forgotten, Penny's original picture.

I think that pic of Jacob looks like Michael Gross...from Family Ties...it just struck me...


Interesting...but nah! It's Danny Picketts nose....but is that his chin? High hair line yep, so that's two.....I gotta pull out my DVD sets and search for "Mr. Not Nice";) .

I think that Jacob could well be Smokey.

Wow, thanks for that! It's hard to make out, of course, but I definitely see what people are saying. I must have blinked and missed it.

Nope, I don't think Ben saw anything at all, or heard anything. I think he knows that Jacob is there, but he was faking the whole conversation. He hasn't been able to communicate with Jacob before.

Ben is toast.

And Locke.... ???


I think Ben *used* to be able to, but can't anymore. His relationship with Jacob
has gone sour. He has cancer now. I think Ben hadn't heard from Jacob in a long,
long time and maybe intentionally stayed away from him. Perhaps Ben wanted to
use Walt to reestablish contact with Jacob. Maybe the thinking is that Jacob
only reveals himself to children and that's why Ben wants the kids. Alpert doesn't
believe in Jacob or else thinks the whole "needing kids to communicate" thing
is unnecessary.


Either that or else Jacob is a vampire that needs the blood of virgins in order to
return to previous power. Goodness knows that there don't seem to be many of those
on the island.

Dr Christian shepherd has hair like that, i think

Screencaps are up at Lost-Media and DarkUFO

looks like a completely new character to me. the hair is partially receding and ragged like an older man. kind of has a stern, light chin.. maybe some grey scruff? it kind of reminds me of the teacher who was on head of the class... the long hair teacher. haha.. SORT of..Yes it does look a bit like Howard Hesseman. But I'm still thinking it also looks like Richard a bit. Heck ... I bet they'll keep this secret until next season so we'll have 8 months to compare profiles! LOL

Yeah DarkUFO's got some great pics of Jacob.. whoever it is has some baaaaaaadd hair!

More Strangeness:
If you have it recorded watch in slo-mo again.
As Ben is flown across the room and hits the wall, it appears that a flashlight
is shining in his face from the direction of where the chair is.
Also, A fire starts, correct?!
Suddenly in an instant it is completely out.
Watch in slow-mo and correct me on these things or comment.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I was like "what happened to the fire???"

And yeah, it sure as heck looked like Locke in that chair. But why? HOW? :eek2:

Check this out! http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-news/lost-jacob-revealed.php

someone posted this cap:

(not me)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/80/bscap0000ed2.jpg


Wow! Very cool.....this helps me clarify last night's episode. There was a pressence in that creepy old house. I was worried that it was an elaborate attempt by Ben to fool Locke.

This "proof" puts a whole new spin on things....

I just put my thumb over the hair of each of the pics and all I see is Locke each time...my 13 year old son came over and first thing he said was is that Locke??

Jacob reminds me of Kris Kristofferson from the movie Blade

Dotn look at the dark photo in the beginning of the thread look at the gamma enhanced one posted further down.

This one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/erins/492084611/

That is CLEARLY not Locke, Long hair and a beard, and the nose is different.

-Exodus

I knew it wasn't Locke during the episode yesterday, when I rewound my tape. I'm definitely interested in who it is, but I can't get the depressing thought of locke being shot out of my head. It's really bringing me down and I'm not really into the board today as I usually am every thursday morning.

I don't know what that is, but it sure was creepy... someone on another website said that he was invisible. But I doubt that claim. Lost has a way of somehow touching its mysterious dealings with science (even if it seems possible, they usually have an explanation for it). Like Locke and Rose's healing... all that can be explained with the magnetic anomoly.

So if Jacob is there, and if he is not invisible (how would 'being invisible' work exactly? he's visible to Ben but not to Locke?), then what is he? And what does, "Help me" got to do with it???

What if the title of the episode is still the key to the identity of Jacob?
If you remember in The Wizard of Oz, we get to see a strange terrifying wizard, but he is an illusion ... what if Jacob is a form of projection? A sophisticated trick of the light, if you will? Almost like a hologram ... and any 'electricity' would expose or at least interfere with the 'projection' process.

To extrapolate further then: what if the creepy old house is itself a much-fabled island location, famous to the 'hostile' natives, who grew up believing it to be haunted by a character called Jacob, who happens to be the old sea-captain of The Black Rock, for example. AND ... what if the magic circle of ash surrounding the old house is akin to the old voodoo trick of using ash to ward off evil spirits - or in this case, to supposedly 'contain' them. Using the volcanic ash to encircle the cottage might be a means of containing the dark and dangerous spirit of Jacob - even though, like so many ghost stories which delight and terrify children in equal measure, there is no ghost at all ...

What then if Ben has taken on this myth and is perpetuating it for his own devious ends, knowing full well that the native Others will believe he has found a means to communicate with the ghost that 'haunted' their collective childhood imagining?

OR - more interestingly perhaps - what if it is Ben who has been duped for so long?? What if there is still a real 'wizard', a man behind the curtain, who is manipulating this scenario for his own ends? What if young Ben, eager to be part of the Hostiles and rebel against Dharma and his own father, was duped into believing the Jacob-myth with the rest of the natives. But, was then further duped into believing he, and only he, had special communication with this spectre ... basically, BEN believed in the Wizard of Oz, but someone else has been in control all along.

In the latter case, Locke's 'hearing' Jacob's plea for help would be a further perpetuation of the 'illusion' that is Jacob - and a sinister warning of sorts to Ben too. Or, as an added ironic twist, perhaps Jacob's 'help me' was indicating that maybe, there really IS some kind of captive spirit after all, which communicated to Locke in that instant, proving that old legends can have some basis in fact.

Hope this hasn't been too confusing.

I agree with another poster ... looks more like Pickett than it does Locke.

I usually pick up everything in an episode, but I missesd this one.

This is using a spoiler concerning the upcoming finale about Jacobs identity.

I for one think the person we saw was Horace but another theory concerns

The spoiler where Matthew Fox was seen filming a flash back recently near a shinto temple in Hawaii. And the unusual thing? He was sporting a beard and unruly hair.Hmm.

For me, Jacob is the smoke monster. And it is also the smoke monster who makes all those whispers in the jungle+dead people walking around the island.

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but when things started to go poltersgaist in the house and right after being flashed with creepy Jacob images, I think we were also shown Jacob's eyes moving left to right and looking pretty frightened. He seemed to have been throwing things around with his mind by moving his eyes. Other thing is that he never got off the chair...Why? Was he tied to it?

what is a "DH"?

A little more detailed than the smaller grabs, but still hard to make out because of the darkness. Perhaps someone can work some Photoshop magic and brighten them up for a better look at Jacob...

jacob1.PNG (http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/69c8871588558)

jacob4.PNG (http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/60652b1588557)

jacob5.PNG (http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/c4fcf01588556)

I think that pic of Jacob looks like Michael Gross...from Family Ties...it just struck me...


That's exactly what I thought!!

It kinda looked like Milo Rambaldi. Just kidding :)

I can't help but thinking I have seen that guy/actor before...Doesn't he appear on the credits?

thanks!

Looks like Kris Kristofferson to me.

http://www.biography.com/biocountry/images/episode_images/kristofferson_kris_320x240.jpg

Although, I think it looks like Christian Shepherd with longer hair and a beard..

You're right, it's still so hard to see because it's so dark. I wish I knew how to use Photoshop. Thanks for posting them.

Well, I brightened them up a bit, but there's not much more there. The only thing I can see is that in the brightened image, you can see that Jacob has longer hair.

Jacob (http://picasaweb.google.com/imfromthepast/InProgress/photo?authkey=gccf6h1l50E#5062886009342812578)

I think is Magnus Hanso, the captain of the black rock. He is a spirt on the island, where they can manifest themselves to the living.

The voices are the lost soals that have died on the island.

The shape of his nose and profile remind me of Pickett.

wow.... at first I thought Tom is sitting there...but it definately is not him.....

Great caps and work on lightening them....

Thanks...

those are definitely either 1800 or 1700 erra clothes.

It's funny you say Tom, because I originally thought it was Mike from Locke's pot farm, and he was mistaken for Tom when he first appeared. Someone on another thread said Kelvin, and the profile looks very much like Kelvin as well. So our best guesses:

Kelvin
Tom
Mike
Pickett

Jacob's clothes look very similar to the clothes Richard was wearing when he came across young Ben in the jungle.

All of the above are great guesses, me and my viewing party definitely thought Tom or Pickett, but I still insist I see Dennis Hopper just a little bit. Horace Goodspeed was mentioned as well.

Thanks for posting the pics. I must have blinked and missed seeing Jacob!

Jacob can jump from body to body

He was in Christian........he was in Yemi......now he is in Pickett

This is using a spoiler concerning the upcoming finale about Jacobs identity.

I for one think the person we saw was Horace but another theory concerns

The spoiler where Matthew Fox was seen filming a flash back recently near a shinto temple in Hawaii. And the unusual thing? He was sporting a beard and unruly hair.Hmm.

That's a pretty decent theory if you compare pictures of Jacob and based on that spoiler

Matthew Fox here (http://www.hunkymalecelebs.com/matthew_fox/pictures/12.jpg). Specifically the nose. Very similar but the tip of the nose is just a bit different.

Quite honestly on first glance (before rewinding and playing in slow motion 10 times) I thought he might be Mr. Friendly. Between what little we could see and the voice when he said "Help Me". Although now that we have screen caps the nose is quite different upon comparison, but that's nothing a little movie makeup can't fix. ;)

That isn't anyone we've seen before, I am sure of it. The face/profile looks alot like Hal Linden.

What about Magnus? Maybe they whispers have something to do with the 'incident'. If Richard has barely aged a day.. I can see Magnus alive.

D/

The voice was Carlton Cuse, he said in his last podcast that he would be doing some more voice over work this season.

Looks like a pirate or a sea-farer. Pirates and sea-farers have ships; ones that may or may not be stuck in the middle of a wacky island.

If this was any actor we've seen before, we'd know from the credits. SAG rules and all.

Remember when Andrew Divoff was credited for his brief appearance on the Pearl hatch monitor back in "The Cost of Living"?

If this was any actor we've seen before, we'd know from the credits. SAG rules and all.

Jacob is played by Carlton Cuse.

http://media.thecrimson.com/6-7-2006/pic-500-1202269.jpg

That isn't anyone we've seen before, I am sure of it. The face/profile looks alot like Hal Linden.

What about Magnus? Maybe they whispers have something to do with the 'incident'. If Richard has barely aged a day.. I can see Magnus alive.

D/

I was thinking Kris Kristoferson myself.

It very much looks like period dress for the time of the Black Rock though. And it could be Alvar's granddaddy. It would be an interesting parallel to what happened in the Lost Experience. Remember how Alvar was held captive in his place by Mittlewerk? Or at least he said he was....
Maybe there was a line of dead people ash/vocanic ash/crushed up oregano/whatever it was, around Alvar's home as well.
Whoever he is, I think it's interesting that Ben can see him, but not hear him. Or maybe he just knows he's in that chair because that's where he's kept.

That's a pretty decent theory if you compare pictures of Jacob and based on that spoiler

Matthew Fox here (http://www.hunkymalecelebs.com/matthew_fox/pictures/12.jpg). Specifically the nose. Very similar but the tip of the nose is just a bit different.

Quite honestly on first glance (before rewinding and playing in slow motion 10 times) I thought he might be Mr. Friendly. Between what little we could see and the voice when he said "Help Me". Although now that we have screen caps the nose is quite different upon comparison, but that's nothing a little movie makeup can't fix. ;)

with the high forehead, I thought it would be Locke aged a number of years.

But the possibility that it is a future (past?) Jack - is more than freaky and would definitely be a major twist. :eek2:

I can't figure out the "age" and "time" stuff on this show anymore. With Richard seeming to not be aging, and now Ben doesn't appear to have aged significantly since he killed his father a number of year ago, is there something that keeps certain people on the island from aging? And is Jacob unable to die or be freed from his prison without a replacement. "we were all brought here for a purpose"

I thought the Jacob scene was fantastic, but it honestly scared the crap out of me!

I had a hard time sleeping cause I kept waking up and imagining Jacob was in my room! Invisible/ unseen things just have that effect on me I think.

I was thinking, while I was lying awake at 3 am (cowering under my covers to hide from "Jacob", lol), that the scene reminded me of the book/ film Carrie, with the telekinetic-rage-fest that Jacob put on. I wonder if that is the significance of Juliet's Carrie book from the beginning of the season.

That does look an awful lot like Locke with lots of hair (more than we've seen in his flashbacks).
Of course, that begs the question - what would it mean if it's Locke?

This is as big an event as the great "he's the real Sawyer!" mystery of season 1. I think it looks like Locke in a wig. Maybe they haven't cast Jacob yet so they decided to keep him unrecognizable and just disguised Terry instead. I like the thought of him being Hanso or someone from the Black Rock.

I thought the Jacob scene was fantastic, but it honestly scared the crap out of me!

I had a hard time sleeping cause I kept waking up and imagining Jacob was in my room! Invisible/ unseen things just have that effect on me I think.

I was thinking, while I was lying awake at 3 am (cowering under my covers to hide from "Jacob", lol), that the scene reminded me of the book/ film Carrie, with the telekinetic-rage-fest that Jacob put on. I wonder if that is the significance of Juliet's Carrie book from the beginning of the season.

Yeah it freaked me out, and I couldn't sleep either! I didn't exactly think Jacob was hiding in my room, but nevetheless I was feeling very haunted after watching that scene. I think because of Michael Emerson more than anything; his acting made that scene just so incredibly bizzare!!!

Dr Christian shepherd has hair like that, i think

Yesterday I realized that Chistian looks exactly like Mitt Romney, only with grey hair. If Jacob turns out to be Mitt Romney I think everyone on the Island is completely screwed.... ;)

The voice was Carlton Cuse, he said in his last podcast that he would be doing some more voice over work this season.

I'm pretty sure that was Damon, and
they were talking about the finale.

Jacob and Richard cloths = Black rock survivors

When Ben and father arrived on the isalnd, the camera stayed quite a while on Horaces face. much more than it would for a very secondary character. And later, when Ben saw him dead and closed his eyes, that also was a way of calling attention n Horace. It really looks like Horace, with that very distintive nose and long hair.

Jacob and Richard cloths = Black rock survivors

Yes I think you're right.

I think Jacob is Jacob and nobody else. He is a spector and the ghost of a 19th century man long dead. Remember Ben saying that Jacob doesn't like modern technologies? He could be the captain of the Black Rock or just a passenger.

It appears that the voices are those of ghosts and many of the losties have telepathic abilities to the point that they can hear the voices at least some of the time. Some of those, like Ben, have stronger abilities and can actually see the spirits.

ETA:

It appears that Jacob is a prisoner of some sort. There are lots of boxes within boxes on this show. Jacob is in a box on the island which is in a box. Mabye the island forcefield traps supernatual creatures.

I was thinking Kris Kristoferson myself.


Me too. The hair and nose kinda look like him. Apparently if it was him then his name would have to appear in the credits.

If we don't actually see Jacob on screen (we can only see him in a freeze frame), does he actually 'appear' in the episode?

Why does it have to be someone we already know? I think Jacob is an entirely seperate person...

I'd be careful speculating too much. THey probably used a stand-in for this scene, so they can cast the real actor later, when needed. It's pretty common (think of Syd's mom on Alias, or Penny on this show, or even the stand-ins that were used in the episode before the tail section survivors were shown...)

Jacob= John Locke with hair and whiskers

Yeah, I was thinking it looks a lot like Locke with long hair and a beard.

Whoa, Jacob was the creepiest creepy creep I've ever seen! That whole scene nearly caused me a heart attack. In fact, I got three heart attacks during the episode: 1) the beating of Mikhail, 2) Jacob, 3) Ben shooting Locke.

Anyway, I don't think Jacob's anyone we've seen before, but I do know that he's freaking awesome. Let's hope that he's going to be around for a longer time! How the hell did he get the whole damn house to shake? Does he have some kind of powers?

I think Jacob is just Jacob. But what makes my head hurt is that HOW did he make the whole house shake and how can he be invisible? I really, seriously, for real thought for a moment that Ben was crazy. That was the creepiest and awesomest scene ever. Can't wait to find out more about Jacob!

for all those people saying Jacob is Ben or Locke...Jacob's eyes were also shown very briefly and they were dark.

Jacob= John Locke with hair and whiskers

I agree. Especially after seeing this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-535.html) cap from Lost-Media.com.

Does anyone else agree that Jacob's face resembles Kris Kristofferson? You can google Kris or check IMDB in case you dont know what he looks like.

The entire scene feels very Luke meeting Yoda for the first time. The little hut in the swamp. The magical powers that can't be understood fully.

I totally missed the flash of Jacob on screen. Thank you for capturing them. I will have to go back and watch that scene again.

Also, if Alpert is tied to Jacob (i.e., the theories that they are both Black Rock survivors) then why can't Alpert go and speak with Jacob? Why would Ben say that only he can see Jacob and speak with him. If Alpert is a fellow survivor, why would Jacob shun him in favor of Ben?

All these crazy ideas about ghosts, spirits and the like, just aren't in line with everything else we have seen so far. After Eko's death, we are pretty sure that old Smokie can make himself appear as whatever he wants, and can exert quite a bit of physical force. I think the only logical conclusion is that Jacob = Smokie

Thanks for the great image.....

I totally missed that last night......

Hey it's Borris the sneaky Russian from Guy Ritchie's motion picture Snatch!!!!

i think this looks a lot like Locke with a beard and long hair when lightened - especially the nose.

see here (http://www.studiofournine.com/jacob.jpg)

I think Jacob is definitely his own character, or that he is Smokie. I feel that there was a huge clue in the title of the episode that we may be missing or I just didn't see. The only thing that is preventing me from calling bs on the Jacob scene is the creators way of having an explanation for everything so we'll have to see.

I have thought for some time that the island is full of spirits and there isn't just one Smokey. I think Ben managed to trap one of these spirits with in his ring of volcanic ash and has been using its gyrations to scare the bejeepers out of his followers.

And, even if Jacob is as real as real can be, that doesn't mean Ben isn't crazy. At least we know what drove him crazy.

I do wonder if he managed to get Annie out of the way of the purge, they married, and she was the first victim of a fatal island pregnancy. That would be the last straw for the already emotionally fragile Ben.

Cardie

I thought the voice sounded like Lance Hendrickson from Aliens.

i think it looks nothing like locke.

--billy

I don't think Jacob is Locke. I don't think he's anyone we've seen before.

If I had to guess the actor just based on the profile, I would go with Old "Toenose" Owen Wilson.

My two cents ....

Locke = Jacob ... just not yet.

Locke was shot and left in a ditch to die last night. I think he probably will die. And like Ben Kenobi and Gandalf, he will come back as a newer, better Locke .... If Gandalf the Grey can return as Gandalf the White, then Locke can return as Jacob, no?

Yes, I believe that LOST is now operating on a mythic, "Hero With A Thousand Faces" level.

The Jacob scene .... Locke cannot see anyone there. Ben insists Jacob is there. Locke hears the words "Help me", then sees a weird display of energy as things crash around the room. For a brief instant, we see Jacob wrestling with Ben. I think it looked like Locke's silhouette. In the caps, it looks like Grizzly Adams-Locke.

Another clue: Ben's line about Jacob hating technology as much as Locke does. I think that was a pretty obvious clue.

The whole "Help me" thing seemed to be a foreshadowing of Locke getting shot.

*OR*

Perhaps Jacob *is* imprisoned by time. Could that have something to do with the funky dust surrounding Jacob's house?? Maybe Jacob needs to be released or freed from his prison.

So ... I think there's some weird time-thing happening. Possibly, Locke could not see Jacob because one person cannot exist in two time-periods at the same time .... (what an awkward sentence that was!).

I hope that all made sense, LOL.

Jacob and Richard cloths = Black rock survivors

Yes, the screen cap looks like someone out of "Pirates of the Caribbean" (my first thought, anyway). If by some chance Jacob and Richard are from the same era, and therefore the "natives" of the island from the Black Rock -- supposedly a slave ship

-- then why are the other "natives" we saw so Caucasian? Where are the African Americans who were on the ship?

Or, instead of a slave ship, might this have been a convict ship? Convicts from England were sent to far off places (such as Australia) up through the 1860s.

:eek2:

THis is what I was thinking. Ben was, at some point, able to communicate with Jacob, but he pissed Jacob off somehow. Maybe because he is bringing technology onto the island (ie Juliet) to help the others reproduce. So Ben was given cancer. The power of the island was taken away from him.


I think Ben *used* to be able to, but can't anymore. His relationship with Jacob
has gone sour. He has cancer now. I think Ben hadn't heard from Jacob in a long,
long time and maybe intentionally stayed away from him. Perhaps Ben wanted to
use Walt to reestablish contact with Jacob. Maybe the thinking is that Jacob
only reveals himself to children and that's why Ben wants the kids. Alpert doesn't
believe in Jacob or else thinks the whole "needing kids to communicate" thing
is unnecessary.


Either that or else Jacob is a vampire that needs the blood of virgins in order to
return to previous power. Goodness knows that there don't seem to be many of those
on the island.

'Jacob' is Magnus Hanso, commander of the Black Rock. He was the first man of modern times to stumble upon the island, during the 19th century. Clearly the Island is a very special place, something akin to the Fountain of Youth, as Magnus is still alive, and Richard is God knows how old. For the past 120-odd years, Magnus has lived on the island in an effort to discover its secrets. But he could not do it alone. So it was he who set up the Dharma Initiative, through his grandson, Alvar Hanso.

That's my theory anyway.

The man in the chair certainly bears significant resemblance to this guy.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar
Maybe they're related?

All these crazy ideas about ghosts, spirits and the like, just aren't in line with everything else we have seen so far. After Eko's death, we are pretty sure that old Smokie can make himself appear as whatever he wants, and can exert quite a bit of physical force. I think the only logical conclusion is that Jacob = Smokie

Everyone seems to take at face value that Smokie can become people... Why is this? Have I missed some CG somewhere?

man I totally didn't see this anywhere when watching the show last night
you guys have sharp eyes
or maybe your HD broadcast just wasnt constantly screwing up like mine was

Holy s*%$! I totally missed this during the show. THANKS for capturing. I agree with the "it's Locke" theory. Cover up the hair and look at the profile -- it is definitely Locke.

Oddly enough, the profile and voice resembled one person alone to me - Marlon Brando. There are several parallels with Colonel Kurtz...

Yes, the screen cap looks like someone out of "Pirates of the Caribbean" (my first thought, anyway). If by some chance Jacob and Richard are from the same era, and therefore the "natives" of the island from the Black Rock -- supposedly a slave ship

-- then why are the other "natives" we saw so Caucasian? Where are the African Americans who were on the ship?

Or, instead of a slave ship, might this have been a convict ship? Convicts from England were sent to far off places (such as Australia) up through the 1860s.

:eek2:

There was a lot of dynomite on that ship so thats probably why Locke thought the ship was comming to mine the island. For what who knows?

As for the African Americans who may have been on the ship What about Mrs. Klugh, and the "Micheal" look alike with the Dharma jumpsuit on in the sub when Juliet arrived on the island. They could be from the Black Rock.

I don't think it looks like Locke, more like Kurt Russell in the thing. You can clearly see the beard or some sort of facial hair, but Black Rock survivor sounds like a pretty good theory to me.
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I don't think it looks like Locke, more like Kurt Russell in the Thing. You can clearly see the beard or some sort of facial hair, but Black Rock survivor sounds like a pretty good theory to me.

Smokie manifested itself as Yemmi, Eko's brother, right before it killed Eko. People think it could have also been Kate's horse, Jacks father, etc.

Could it be that they used Terry as a stand-in for this shot, to avoid naming an actor for Jacob just yet? To keep the suspense

Just an idea

Does it look like he's missing a big chunk of his skull to anyone else? Or is it just his hair making it look weird on that side of his head? :confused:

(Feel free to call me crazy) ;)

But if it's Locke or even looks like him, don't you think Ben would recognize the resemblance?

Think for a minute.... why would Ben even take John to see Jacob? He hadn't taken anyone else to "see" him.... Alternate reality stuff again? I still cannot get away from the fact that the skull shape is the same with Jacob and Locke. It is Terry O'Quinn with a wig. Or perhaps that's how Jacob manifested himself because of Locke's presence. One step at a time with this... at the very least, the figure in the chair has the same skull as Locke - it may not actually "be" him, but it has to be part of the equation.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/Gallerytwentyeight/lockesuperimp.jpg

yes the eye seen when i saw it on the ep i thought strait away it was Locke, no second thoughts, then i saw the slo-mo just now on DarkUFO (god i love that site) and in the first frame or so you can see a strand of black hair, and jacob had really long hair, locke is bald and ben has short hair so it had to be jacobs eye.

Does it look like he's missing a big chunk of his skull to anyone else? Or is it just his hair making it look weird on that side of his head?

I don't think ur crazy. I'm having a hard time convincing myself that that's hair. It looks to me like he has a hood over his head instead - ala obi wan.

First off, it does look a little like Locke, but I do not believe it is. Couldn't be him unless he put some miricle grow on his head.

I agree with the Richard and Jacob being Blackrock survivers theory. But keep in mind, whoever made that statue with 4 toes and the pillar that Locke's father was tied up to was not from the BR... slaving ship survivers do not go around building ancient looking ruins.

My far out theory is Jacob is Magnus and Magnus is either a ghost or Smokie. Somehow Ben has control over Jacob/Magnus/Smokie ( maybe something to do with the powder Locke examined on the way to Jacob's shake ). Lots of things to pick apart in this episode.

His face is to long to be Locke. Ben's dad had a very long face and Alvar Hanso from the picture someone posted had a long face. His features are contorted though. He looked a little mutated. From the profile he looks like the elephant man. The extreme forehead, nose and chin.

I could also not help but notice that Jacob looked a little like the Annie doll he carried around. Maybe Smokey??

I also like the Black Rock theory. I thought that I had heard somewhere, speculated anyway, that the others were the Hanso Foundation and had nothing to do with the Dharma Initiative. Hanso was studying the island and Dharma was studying the effect the island had on other people, animals, whatever. Hence the Purge.

Here's a whacky idea, maybe Ben had some gene that killed his mom and made him be delivered preterm. I know it is possible for a woman to think of the baby as a foreign object. Nothing is wrong with the baby, it's just the mom causes a condition (called Antiphospholipid Syndrome, a blood disorder that causes clotting) Her body thinks it is protecting itself from the foreign entity. A clot forms between the placenta and the womb cutting off air supply, called Placenta Abrupta or something like that. The baby to protect itself will deliver early. But it is LOST so lets take it one step further, if the baby carried a Gene that would kill mom and moms body felt it and purged the baby trying to protect itself. (Forgive my bad spelling!) This would also tie into dad, maybe intuitively) thinking Ben caused his moms death.

Here I will go out on a limb even further. When Richard found Ben he was not from the black rock people. The black rock people do not look like they are aging, but whatever, has caused them not to be able to conceive. What happened to Annie? When Ben was looking upset back at the compound I thought he was looking for Annie but he wasn't. He was looking for the guy that was nice to him and helped his parents the day he was born. Maybe Ben and Annie had the first babies on the island and he passed on the gene that killed his mom. If the baby was conceived before the Purge and Annie died, this would explain why she was not amongst the bodies. I hope I did not miss something like she left the island but going on this theory.... The gene would be passed down hence killing the moms. The babies are not viable because they are not over 25/26 weeks, which is about the earliest a baby can survive outside of the womb. A woman carries for 40 weeks.

I don't think ur crazy. I'm having a hard time convincing myself that that's hair. It looks to me like he has a hood over his head instead - ala obi wan.I'm leaning towards a hood too... I also thought he looked more demonic than anything else. :shrug:

Magnus Hanso.

Some of the first impressions that people had of Jacob were quite interesting, e.g. Christian Sheperd, Locke, Michael Gross, etc.

To me, he looks like Cher's son Rocky from the movie "Mask".


http://www.negativschnitt.de/eric_stoltz/html/mask01.html

How come no one has mentioned the eye? After we see Jacob's body, we see Locke look at him, Ben look at Lock, and then a close up of Jacob's eye turn and look at Locke.

Think for a minute.... why would Ben even take John to see Jacob? He hadn't taken anyone else to "see" him.... Alternate reality stuff again? I still cannot get away from the fact that the skull shape is the same with Jacob and Locke. It is Terry O'Quinn with a wig. Or perhaps that's how Jacob manifested himself because of Locke's presence. One step at a time with this... at the very least, the figure in the chair has the same skull as Locke - it may not actually "be" him, but it has to be part of the equation.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/Gallerytwentyeight/lockesuperimp.jpgIt does look like it could be Locke ... or someone connected to him. WOW! What if Locke is some how related to the Hanso family? What if that's ol' grandpa Hanso and he's a distant relative to Locke? You're right ... one step at a time. :biggrin: "Baby Steps"

But did you notice what looks like a monkey on his left shoulder?