That was probably the most shocking moment of Lost I've ever seen. I don't even know what to say.

any thoughts of how it'll all turn out?

Depends how well the Island healing mojo comes into play. If it doesn't - well, then, TPTB will have REALLY succeeded in shocking me, if that was their objective.

Guys, don't read if you haven't seen the episode. Seriously.

I don't believe he's dead for one second. I think Jacob is going to heal Locke and punish Ben for killing the man he asked for help. Ben is so dead.

*agrees with cylune*

Hum, I don't. Why did jacob ask for help? Is Ben planning to get rid of him (can we kill someone invisible)? I'm wondering if Jacob is as powerfull as Ben told to Locke.

And now we know that Ben is a liar.

I agree with cylune too.

I don't know which scene had me jumping out of my seat more between this and the Jacob scene. There is obviously something very special about Locke with regard to the healing thing.

Now the "help me," that was VERY interesting. Makes me wonder who is really in control, Ben or Jacob? I'll save my thoughts until there's a thread on it though.

Prediction:

He got shot in the one good kidney he has...and they're gonna get his other one back from Cooper.

I'm pretty sure Cooper's been dead too long for that to work, but interesting idea!

Maybe the Island has the power to heal the kidney! :biggrin:

Jesus! Wow. jesus...


Locke can't die. No!


OK did anybody get a good look at Jacob?

I hope he's dead, cuz this was one of the most shocking moments ever.

We all know he's...

Not dead. Carlton said flat outright (4/18 issue of TV Guide) that the season finale "features a showdown between Jack and Locke — a showdown long anticipated and a showdown with an extremely significant outcome for the future of the castaways" . Can't have this showdown with Jack if he's dead. He'll be healed, and many people will be shocked to see him in the finale

I forgot about carltons comment for the first five minutes after then I thought wait a minute he's not. Still very shocking, ben is such a child, he was stuck at the point when he spoke to his mother in the junglehe never aged mentally, and now that locke canat least hear jacob Ben thinks that locke is going to usurp his position as. that's all for now my head is going to blow.

Guys, don't read if you haven't seen the episode. Seriously.

I don't believe he's dead for one second. I think Jacob is going to heal Locke and punish Ben for killing the man he asked for help. Ben is so dead.

yup. totally agree. still a shocking ending though! :biggrin:

There is no way they could have killed him off!!!

I don't think he's dead. If he was they would have made it clear at the end rather than leaving any doubt. They want us to wonder if he's dead.

NOOOOOOO I know i said i thought he would die.. But NOOOOOOOOOOOO

I don't believe for one minute he's dead. Still a shocker of an ending though!

Reminded me too much of Shannon. I dont want him to be but I think he is. I am sooooo freaked out right now.

the island apparently wants him to heal...therefore it healed his legs....I think the island will heal the gun shot...I think Ben was testing the island....

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this whole thing is based on spoilers...so please delete if need be,,,

there are spoilers out there that say Jack is going to have a showdown with either sawyer or locke for the seasons end....I am a spoiler nut and there was nothing aobut this at all

idk.. they said a fan faveorite would die... and it would be SHOCKING this is ALLL of teh ABOVE!


*rocks self*

I sware to god if hes dead im going over to ABC and kicking Daroltins ***!!! please god, Locke is what got me into Lost. Im serously going to be extreamly pissed if he is dead!!!

I really thought it would be the other way around- that Locke would shoot Ben into the ditch. I highly doubt Locke is dead though. Either the island will heal him or Jacob will come to the rescue.

I am still shaking!! And until someone signs a death certificate, I'm hoping he'll live.

I know that the TPTB kill off main characters, but Locke? Say it isn't so!

I'd love to think that the island will heal Locke, but with TBPB's track record, I don't think so.

Anyone else having trouble with the board tonight?

I still heard him breathing as they cut away, so hoping that he'll pull through...

Not Locke.... not Locke...


Yes,problems w/ board tonight.. couldn't get on for a while (I'm a subscriber)... takes a long time to post

he cant be dead...
there's no one like locke ...
theres no one like locke...
ckicking heals 3 times...
this is killin me...lol

where is toto???\
\btw there are not dogs except our survivor favorite...lol...on the island???

I really thought it would be the other way around- that Locke would shoot Ben into the ditch.Thats what I thought. :(

Unfortunately Locke was my number one season 3 death pick though. :cry:

NO. I refuse to accept this! If this is truly a death, it's a big blow for me as well. Locke has been my favorite from day 1.

I hope that Locke is healed (by Jacob, or the island, or whatever), and comes back supercharged.

Oh, and yes, definitely a busy board tonight. Even though I've been locked out for the bulk of the past 30 minutes, when I'm in, I see only subscribers.

Amazing episode.

I just don't want to believe that Locke is dead. Can you say denial? I just can't face it.

I have to say this was the biggest Lost shocker for me! I never saw it coming! If anything, I kind of thought Locke would end up killing Ben before this season was over. Of course, we didn't actually see Locke die -- just laying there on the verge of death. The island could still heal him (we've been told he's "very special"). So I'm going to hope for that.

Aside from getting shot (and maybe getting killed), wasn't Locke awesome tonight? That whole thing in Other camp where he put Ben on th spot about Jacob and beat the crap out of Mikhail was great. I really hope Locke's not dead and we get to see more of that.

There is no way they could have killed him off!!!

If they kill him off I am not watching the show anymore. Tonight was great the way he kicked Mikhail's butt and stood up to Ben. He was walking tall just like the old Locke.
There is no way they can kill him. The story around Locke being the so called Chosen Man of the Island has been developing over 3 seasons. We need to see where this is going.

"I hope Jacob saves you" that says it all. The stuff is gonna hit the fan when Locke tells the Others that Ben left him to die in a mass grave. WOOO WEEE!!!

I don't believe that Locke is dead because:


1. Carlton stated that the finale would be a showdown between Jack and Locke, and

2. Damon had this quote about tonight's episode:
''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''

Put the screencap into photoshop, ligthened it, sharpened it, etc., and I think I MAY know who Jacob is. It's someone we've already seen for a while now I'm not typing his name because I don't post much so I'm a dummy when it comes to the spoiler font thingy. Maybe some of you out there can catch onto whom I am thinking it is....God, I hope this message made sense! :)

I've convinced myself that he's not dead because:

1. Ben's remark about hoping Jacob would heal him. He's testing Jacob because he's jealous of Locke.

2. I heard him moaning as the camera pulled away.

3. It would be a great shocker when smug Ben sees Locke walk up to the beach cam when he left him for dead.

4. It would be a great way to lull us into thinking "there's no way anyone ELSE will die in the next two epsides if they ALREADY offed someone!" Then we find out he's not really dead and NOBODY is safe!

I find these thoughts comforting in my time of distress. *lol*

I don't believe that Locke is dead because:


1. Carlton stated that the finale would be a showdown between Jack and Locke, and

2. Damon had this quote about tonight's episode:
''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''

or it could mean...
#1 I've read on a different msg that it is either a Jack/Locke showdown or a Jack/Sawyer showdown. Anyone with a link to the actual quote?

#2 could mean that he is dead. That would change his course on the island forever.

cap of Jacob. (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacobid0.png)

Definitely looks like young Roger around the time he arrived on the island, profile and lei and all...

The 30,000 is probably $$ upfront to lure him - and most important, his "special" son - to the island.
Like many well-laid plans, it bombed.

The island was able to heal him before and it will heal him again. I can't imagine a character so integral to the show will die. Locke shall survive!

I just don't know. It could go either way. BAH!

If they do kill him off, there will be riots. Not good.

I can't believe it, I hope he's not dead. What a shocker. Ugh Ugh Ugh.

he got shot in the gut so he'll live for a while, but be in excruciating pain.

Anyone with a link to the actual quote?


Here you go

http://www.tvguide.com/news-views/columnists/ask-ausiello/default.aspx?columndate=18-Apr-2007

First paragraph has a direct quote from Carlton

I think the island will heal the gun shot...I think Ben was testing the island....

That could very well be true. If Ben wanted Locke dead, he would've shot him a bunch of times.

Right. Locke is dead.

Hey, there's my pizza, made from green cheese fresh from the moon! Gotta go eat.

History tells us he should be dead.

1. Anyone with a bullet wound to the abdomen has not survived.

2. Locke is healed by the island, but to a realistic sense. He has relapsed into his paralyzed state before, who knows what is working for and against him.

3. "Once they die, they are dead." Usually, we as fans speculate on interpretations, but the most straightforward answer is the one that Carlton and Damon confirm.

Of course, they know that to kill Locke would probably be a bad idea. There are just as many clues in favor of Locke being alive. Everyone has already mentioned them, so I won't repeat. Still, it is interesting.

NO way. Locke isn't dead. No one on the island heals faster than Locke. If his paralysis can be cured immediately, a gun shot wound is nothing. I have no doubt that we haven't seen the last of Locke.

That was, however, the craziest, freakiest episode of Lost that I have seen and I didn't see that ending coming.

idk.. they said a fan faveorite would die... and it would be SHOCKING this is ALLL of teh ABOVE!


*rocks self*
I'm a spoiler fan myself, but I could've sworn that one was connected to the season finale...

I am now going to put on my widows veil, throw away all of the things I've bought from Lost. Jump up and down on all of my dvds and fix my television so it won't come on on Wednesday night any more.

We will start making riot banners tomorrow.

Cry. Cry. Cry. Sniffle. Sniffle. Sniffe. Blow nose. Cry. Cry. Cry.

Anyone worried about Locke dying can just chill. Why would he be the focus of the last couple of episodes, finally get to Jacob, see him, hear him speak, and then die? No freakin' way he's dead.

I doubt that he's dead. Ben would have plugged him in the head if he was intended to die. The island will heal him, and Richard probably followed them and will give him some first aid. If Naomi is up and around after her wounds, I'm not worried about Locke.

However, I don't think we'll see him next week and people will be angsting for a while as Darlton chuckle in glee.

Cardie

The biggest surprise in Lost history. I knew about the Ana death, but this one made me jump out of my skin. Then I sat there nearly getting sick about the whole thing. As much as I love TOQ and John Locke, it was too cool to let him live now. Such an engrossing drama.

NO. I refuse to accept this! If this is truly a death, it's a big blow for me as well. Locke has been my favorite from day 1.

I hope that Locke is healed (by Jacob, or the island, or whatever), and comes back supercharged.

Oh, and yes, definitely a busy board tonight. Even though I've been locked out for the bulk of the past 30 minutes, when I'm in, I see only subscribers.

Amazing episode.
I'm with you...Locke is the reason I, and many I know and have spoken to, got hooked on the show...to kill him off, especially the way they did..would be kinda rediculous...they've spent so much time building up his significance...THE OTHERS seeming to want to follow him more than Ben...his "communion" with the island...the fact that his severed/broken spine was healed instantly upon his arrival...let's not forget his survival of the hatch explosion that has also yet to be explained...for him to be killed off like this with so much unresolved is kinda ludicrous...

Let's also remember, this is the island where a punctured lung heals in a day and a half...
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Anyone worried about Locke dying can just chill. Why would he be the focus of the last couple of episodes, finally get to Jacob, see him, hear him speak, and then die? No freakin' way he's dead.
That and from what I've read in posts all over this board, the ABC board, and others...something like 50% - 60% of the fan-base is ready to stop watching if he is in fact dead...

This is such a great cliffhanger, I have to say that my jaw dropped. For a minute I thought he was going to shoot him a couple more times.

Lesson to be learned: never stand on the edge of a pit of dead bodies with someone behind you

If they kill him off I am not watching the show anymore. Tonight was great the way he kicked Mikhail's butt and stood up to Ben. He was walking tall just like the old Locke.
There is no way they can kill him. The story around Locke being the so called Chosen Man of the Island has been developing over 3 seasons. We need to see where this is going.
I'm with you...and from what I've read all over the net tonight, so is a majority of the most loyal of LOST fans...

I think this can only be a tactic to bring the dramatic tension to a head...

There's no way he can be dead. Locke is... I feel like Locke is THE integral part of the island and this story, and there's no way he can be killed off now.

If he can touch the island and be cured of something as incurable as paralysis, he can survive a bullet to the gut. The island wants him alive. As Ben said, he's special. Locke heard Jacob ask for help, and he'll survive in order to do that.

That was the most incredible ending on the show...I only saw it coming when when Ben said what he did and I really thought he was going to finish him off...

Locke is the Island...he will be back.

ok ive calmed down! :cool: i do hope he comes back. He probably will, but i do hope he kills Ben.

Locke is not dead. When we last saw him he was still breathing and as many have said the island will heal him. Notice how Tom and Richard ignored Ben tonight when he asked for their help in stopping Locke from beating up Mikhail? That's because Locke is going to come back and take Ben's place as leader of the Others.
my 2 cents.

Now that I have just screamed every imaginable curse word at my television in the space of 60 seconds & I won't even repeat the things I called Ben for 5 minutes after that....I will say... if Locke is dead so is this show!
I will NOT care about any answer to any question from any season if they just killed off the one person that was the most involved in "The Island" & all that goes with this insane plot...That being said if they intead to run this show through 2010 he'd better be alive or the ratings just went down the toilet...just my opinion....

In my opinion, Locke is the main character in the show. All of what I've personally learned about Lost revolves around Locke in some way. Without seeing any spoilers or anything, I am willing to commit 100% to the idea that there is no way locke could die(at least until the end of the series). When I saw him get shot, my mouth was opening and I was laughing and wondering how the writers were going to deal with him next week :biggrin:. Don't worry guys, he's Locke(not to mention the best actor on the show).

I say he's alive because- why did they go to the trouble to have Mikhail go to the brink of death- our Losties all assumed he was dead- only to have him come back ? It was to illustrate that such drastic healing is possible and if the island can save anyone, its Locke.

No way is it possible that Locke is dead. If Locke is somehow dead then so shall the show.

IMHO he will be healed by the island and his new mission on the Island will be to Help Jacob with what ever he needs help with.

I don't think Locke is dead unless TOQ has something going on we don't know about.

He is one of the best actors on the show.

okay, so if the island mystically heals locke how can the "the show is based on present or near future science" statements that i have seen throught the shows history still stand?

I think he will survive somehow. Maybe Jacob will figure out how to get out of the cabin and come and save him OR the Island will heal him again. I just can't imagine them killing him at this point in the story.

nooo!! Locke better not be dead. the spoilers better be right.

*dies*

Locke is the most important character (even though he's not necessarily the main in terms of screentime). But most important? Yes.

It surprised the *dharma* right out of me! ha.
But I don't believe for one moment that Locke will die. The Island wants him, after all, and we the viewers NEED him!

He sure does seem to be turning evil, though--he has no compunctions about wailing right into Mikhail at the drop of a hat. Does Locke know more about Mikhail than he's saying? hmmm

My speculation:

I wonder if Danielle might just show up in the nick of time and save Locke. Maybe that was the significance of them meeting in the previous episode...

Locke is not dead. :)

If they intended to kill him off, he would have died within seconds like Ana-Lucia and Libby did when they were shot. They also would not have opened all of these new plotlines for his character with this episode if it was intended to be his last.

Now, if Ben had followed through with shooting him a second time and planted it in his skull, that might have been cause for concern. For a second there, I actually thought that was going to happen.

I was wondering how they were going to exclude Locke from the Losties/Others war. If Locke were to kill (or attempt to kill) one of the 815 Survivors, that would be a point of no return and I think it would be too early for that. I'd say this shooting at least temporarily distances him from the Others so that he doesn't have to be attacking 815 Survivors in the war.

I still heard him breathing as they cut away, so hoping that he'll pull through...


I noticed that, too, on second viewing. I was screaming too loudly and running around too much the first time through. I watch it at work on a handheld TV. My co-workers had quite the laugh.

Even if he isn't dead, that was amazingly shocking!!!! :yikes:

If Locke had been gut-shot an episode earlier, I might be worried. But after this ep, he is they lynch-pin of the entire story-arc. Ain't no way he's dying.

I don't think he is...John Locke has been through much worse and lived.

imagine if they don't retouch on Locke for the rest of the season! Those 8 months would be unbearable and I would seriously consider not starting up reinvesting in the show again for another season.

Locke will be back. As what, exactly, I'm not sure. Did anyone notice the subtle Christ-like pose as he lay over the decaying Dharma bodies? And where Ben shot him -- under the ribs -- is the same place where Jesus was speared.

And keep in mind, this same guy who survived the freaking Swan implosion last season! If he can survive his molecules being scrambled, he can survive a stinking gun shot.

My prediction: Locke will undergo some sort of transformation/ressurection, which will draw him deeper into the Island's secrets and into an alliance with Jacob.

Please!

There is no way Locke is dead. It's impossible to kill off a character that has so much storyline revolving around him. I'm thinking he'll be alive and well by.. oh, let's say, the last 5 minutes of the season finale..

Definitely not dead.

Is Locke Dead???

Naw!!!!! It's healing time!

;)

That and from what I've read in posts all over this board, the ABC board, and others...something like 50% - 60% of the fan-base is ready to stop watching if he is in fact dead...

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

I hope this is at attempt at irony.

Locke cannot be dead, he has to be alive to help Jacob. That's only one reason. There are many many more reasons, another one being, he is the most interesting character on the entire show. Plus his storyline is so intricately tied into the show, like someone said above. I want him to show up in the finale and shock Ben, and then beat him to a bloody pulp!

I was hyperventilating big time, and maybe kind of sort of cried.. a little bit.

No, no, no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Locke can't die! It can't happen, I tell you. He is too key to the entire core of everything that is LOST. Plus I love him! That should factor in! omg, PLEASE tell me that they are just trying to give us a heart attack and that Locke is going to be fine and dandy, just like Mikhail is after his seemingly fatal brush with the security fence. TELL ME THAT LOCKE IS GOING TO BE FINE! SAY IT! SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omg, omg, omg: Lockefan is FREAKING OUT, big time, people!!!!!!!

I was blindsided by that one. :eek2:

Locke has to live.

The only way I fell asleep last night was convincing myself that Locke will live on.

I think he'll come back supercharged.

I really believe that Locke is the lynch pin in the series . . . the island made him walk again . . . he felt connected to the island at "at home" almost immediately . . . the screenshots of Jacob bear an uncanny resemblence to Locke . . . Ben is completely intimidated by Locke . . . the list goes on. Could killing off Locke be a "game changer"? Sure. However, I'm just not seeing the value in letting Locke go out like that!

He will live, trust me! I too am a huge Locke fan and my nerves get the best of me, but when I think about it, I try and become rational and say to myself. Locke cannot die, and plus isn't it so obvious that Locke needs to live to help jacob. Since season 1 started it's been hinted that Locke is there for a greater purpose. maybe this is part of it, to help jacob. do I hear storyline for season 4? I think I do!

Next time we see Ben he will be in the jungle by himself........slowly the camera will stalk him to make us think it is the Smoke Monster.....suddenly we will hear a crunch and the camera will pan around to show Locke with a bloody knife......Ben will be permanently paralyzed and then Locke will drag him back to the Hostile/Others camp and expose him to the whole group as a fraud.........Ben dies as a torrent of Hostile/Others reign blows down upon him and then decapitate him!

Have faith in the Island! :)

I can only imagine the huge fan uproar there would be if Locke was killed off for good....

Keep the Faith!

...Locke can't die! ...

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"


Relax buddy, if you look at where Locke was shot, you'll realise you have nothing to worry about. He was shot in the left side midsection. He no longer has any major organs there, thanks to his Pop.

I had the exact same reaction as the OP. If Locke dies I will be seriously bummed, but I don't think it's gonna happen. There is too much potential story line left, now that he is the only other person on the island to have seen Jacob. He is also the only legitimate threat to Ben's power among the Others. Ben saw that quite clearly, which is why he shot him. Besides, we all know the island has strong healing powers ;).

My prediction - look for Locke to reappear in the second half of the season finale.

I am SO hoping that John will be cured quickly by the island! Again.

Ben is so jealous of John that he can't stand it.

worst.episode.ever.

I am taking heart from the posts here. My username says it all. He can't be gone.

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"


Relax buddy, if you look at where Locke was shot, you'll realise you have nothing to worry about. He was shot in the left side midsection. He no longer has any major organs there, thanks to his Pop.

good one, as long as you are right about what side the kidney came from, I can't remember at present, but I could look at my dvd's.

Arg, I know! I had to convince myself that Locke wouldn't die to fall asleep too. Hes my favorite character (Ben is getting up there too- although I'm very mad at him right now for obvious reasons) and I think the most important Lostie to the island story.

I don't read spoilers, but if anyone had a spoiler concerning Locke's fate, I would be sorely tempted to read it!!

Originally Posted by Lockefan
...Locke can't die! ...

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"

LOL! Even in a grim thread like this, that was one of the funniest things I've read on this board.

When I watched MBTC I thought, based on the 1/2 second flash we got, that Jacob was TOQ. Ben would kill Locke only to find out that he's really Jacob.

Unfortunately, now that I see screen caps I don't think that's the case:(

I don't know, maybe he'll be ok. Maybe Alpert followed them and will heal Locke. Who knows. If that's the case it will definitely add to Locke's Jesus-ocity.

:63:

I'm hoping that Alex followed them and further that she has a walkie and FURTHER that she can somehow use it to contact Juliet (although what walkie would have that kind of distance, DANG IT, this scenario can't work!), who will come rushing to the site with Jack and save the day.

Failing that, this would be an excellent moment for Danielle to show up and carry Locke back to camp, ala Claire.

Mikhail has medical know-how but I think he is a little ticked off at our Locke right now, so he might just walk on by.

omg. omg. OMG! The logical part of my brian just KNOWS that the powers that be would not, not, not, not, not kill off Locke. It would be like cutting out the heart of LOST. So they wouldn't do it...right? RIGHT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the immortal words of Kate and everyone else in the series at some point or another:

"Somebody find Jack! We need Jack!"

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"


Relax buddy, if you look at where Locke was shot, you'll realise you have nothing to worry about. He was shot in the left side midsection. He no longer has any major organs there, thanks to his Pop.

don't forget the pancreas, lungs, spleen, and intestines... although i do agree that locke isn't dead -- yet. you don't kill a major character without showing him definitively dead. locke was still gasping, so until they show him truly dead in the pit, i'll believe that he is alive and struggling to get to jack. any western fan knows that a true gut shot is painful, but very slow to kill...

--billy

in fact, here's a cap of Jacob (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1507/vlcsnap1347844lm8.png) that looks a bit like TOQ's profile.

There is one advantage to Locke dying. At that point, tension on the show doubles and all bets are off. There are no longer any guarantees that your beloved main characters will survive anything. In most shows, there is a not really a tension about weather or not a main character will die - it is more of a tension of 'how will they get out of this?'

See the movie 'Firefly' for a good example of how this works.

He was shot in the left side midsection. He no longer has any major organs there, thanks to his Pop.

Yes, I was freaking out as well until I realized that. I too think the bullet went right where his kidney used to be.

And seriously, he let Ben do the same frigging thing to him he kept letting his father do. No way are the writers going to leave Locke like that. Just...no way. His life HAS to have more meaning than that.. Right?

in fact, here's a cap of Jacob (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1507/vlcsnap1347844lm8.png) that looks a bit like TOQ's profile.

I don't think it looks like Locke at all - especially if you see the lightened picture here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/imfromthepast/InProgress/photo?authkey=gccf6h1l50E#5062886009342812578 (http://picasaweb.google.com/imfromthepast/InProgress/photo?authkey=gccf6h1l50E#5062886009342812578)



I'll go with: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar

I don't think it looks like Locke at all - especially if you see the lightened picture here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/imfromthepast/InProgress/photo?authkey=gccf6h1l50E#5062886009342812578 (http://picasaweb.google.com/imfromthepast/InProgress/photo?authkey=gccf6h1l50E#5062886009342812578)



I'll go with: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar

Well, maybe, but I thought that Alvar was seen all over Europe in 2001 and 2002. His last sighting was in 2002 in Madrid, according to TLE, which is after this incident on our timeline.

I do think that there are parallels with Jacob and Alvar, including being held captive by another (Ben/Mittelwerk) but I don't think they are one and the same.

Prediction:

He got shot in the one good kidney he has...and they're gonna get his other one back from Cooper.

I hope you're not a doctor. The bullet hit him near his heart / left lung, nowhere near his kidney.

Near his heart? It was more like the gut. The heart is higher up in the chest. Besides, if he had been hit in the heart, it would've been an instakill.

That ending was a SHOCKER. Now, I'm not going to say whether I think he's dead or not, because how much would that give away? I already know the answer. :p

Guys, don't read if you haven't seen the episode. Seriously.

I don't believe he's dead for one second. I think Jacob is going to heal Locke and punish Ben for killing the man he asked for help. Ben is so dead.

I agree that there is no way that Locke is going to die. First of all, Ben already knows how Locke is special and heals much more quickly. Secondly, if he wanted him dead, why didn't he shoot him in the head? now, I realize he wanted to hear what Jacob said to Locke, but then why wouldn't he shoot him dead as he laid in the pit?

Something fishy is going on.

Near his heart? It was more like the gut. The heart is higher up in the chest. Besides, if he had been hit in the heart, it would've been an instakill.

That ending was a SHOCKER. Now, I'm not going to say whether I think he's dead or not, because how much would that give away? I already know the answer. :p

I quite agree, definitely the gut. Nowhere near the heart. I would be insane right now, if it was! I am nervous as it is already. If the gunshot wound was near the heart i would be a total wreck!

If they killed Locke, it would certainly be a shocker, which is what they are going for.

Didn't Ana-Lucia and Libby get shot in the third to last episode of season two?
We should've expected something like this.

Yes, I was freaking out as well until I realized that. I too think the bullet went right where his kidney used to be.
You know what is really interesting about that point, if you guys are right (and what an interesting thing to notice--I'm always impressed with my fellow LOST fans!) and if Locke lives?* If he lives, then presumably Jack or someone will have to remove the bullet and wouldn't it be INTERESTING (and prove moi's longstanding theory here *lol*) if Jack says something like "the bullet has hit his kidney, I have to take it out!" Then when Locke recovers and they tell him, he would natch say, "Hang on a tick, I don't HAVE a kidney there, whatchu tawkin' 'bout, Jack?" And then it would come out that whatever the surgery was involving Locke thinking he was donating a kidney to Daddio, that is not really what was done to him!

So maybe this whole shooting thing is at least in part a vehicle towards bringing out that Locke really has both his kidneys! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! I would love it if he not only lived but, at the same time, my theory were proven correct *LOL*!!!

But I'll settle for just the him living part! Oh please oh please oh PLEASE! :63: :63: :63:

* And he just HAS to live, he has to, has to, HAS TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Locke has been my favorite character for a long time, but I actually think it might be interesting to keep him dead. It would sure be unpredictable.

I like your enthusiasm, Lockefan! Even if your plot doesn't go that far, imagine if Locke had simply reharvested that kidney - perhaps since arriving on the island.

Bionic Locke is next! Not only does he live, he's like a cyborg!

What a shocker!! I was speechless.... hang in there Locke Fans.... I don't think he is gone...

I say he rolls over right now and starts building a ladder of Dharma bones (r.i.p.) get up outta that hole and get yourself supercharged- Jacob to the rescue.

I was so thrilled to see Locke pushing Ben around- and Mikhail.... loved that "you want some more glance?" when Locke walked past him.....

I agree that there is no way that Locke is going to die. First of all, Ben already knows how Locke is special and heals much more quickly. Secondly, if he wanted him dead, why didn't he shoot him in the head? now, I realize he wanted to hear what Jacob said to Locke, but then why wouldn't he shoot him dead as he laid in the pit?

Something fishy is going on.

I totally agree! I think this is some sort of "test" planned by the Others/Ben for Locke, and perhaps for Jacob as well. Ben seems pretty pissed that Locke managed to carry his fathers dead body on his back, and that Locke wouldn't give up on the whole Jacob thing. Something fishy indeed!

I also feel like Alex giving her "dad" the gun was just twisting in the knife a little (that she hates him) because she either knew the plan that Ben had in mind for Locke or had an idea something like this would happen.

I hope he lives. I named my dog after the guy for crying out loud.

Battlestar Galactica killed off Starbuck this past season, only to bring her back in the season finale.
Locke may not be dead, but Terry O'Quinn may be done for the season. Heck, as long as your in Hawaii...kick back, pop open a cold Corona, and enjoy paradise. lol.

Any other show Locke would be Dead with a capital D. This is not a normal show which is why we are talking about it and II am now insane.

Hey MOD. Does this need to be in spoil font given the title of the thread and all? Just wondering.

Locke will live... He was still breathing. I need Locke to be okay, goshdarnit! He's gonna be okay. He'd tell us all to have a little *faith*. :)

He is my absolute favorite part of the entire show. I loved watching him open up a can of whoopass tonight and force Ben to do what he wanted him to do. I look forward to RoboLocke rising from the mass grave and *really* putting Ben in his place!

It's a matter of faith - come on, who's with me on this? We'll start a club!

if ben really wante to kill him he would hve shot him in the head. Locke will be healed and back in action in a few minutes.

if ben really wante to kill him he would hve shot him in the head. Locke will be healed and back in action in a few minutes.

I think that the quick draw was a bit too quick to have aimed for accuracy. I do agree though, if he wanted to kill Locke, you'd think he'd put a few more shots in him. Typical horror movie ending type stuff, when you scream "wait, he's not dead!", as the hero never finishes the job the first time.

there is no way that locke is kicked, there have been waaay too many clues peppered throught the show to allow that to happen, think abou tthe fact that locke could walk after the crash, mikaheil not croaking, even though we saw blood squirt from his ears, naomi's injury and mik saying she will heal in a day or 2, locke's hand healing rapidly after getting bitten by his dad....the clues go on and on...he'll be back, badder than ever!

This is LOST, guys. You have to assume everyone is alive until they are buried (and sometimes they are still alive even at that point).

I really don't think Locke is dead. As someone once said: if any of the big 4 die, then the show is over.

I think Richard will find Locke and help him. Perhaps he followed Ben and Locke secretly, or suspected what Ben was going to do. Since Richard was one of the originals and it seems like he doesn't really agree with where Ben is going these days.

sorry to tell you but i think he's dead for sure. i mean that was a shot from a .45 . he aint coming back after that. he had a good run.

I love the enthusiam on this thread. Locke is my favorite and I wanted to reach through the TV and choke Ben when he shot him. Maybe with enough "herbal medicine' I can do that when I watch it again. LOL!

My bet is he will be back because the island will heal him. Heck, it made him walk, healed him after the blast door incident quickly, then is hand healed quickly after good old dad bit him. Locke's journey has not come to an end, and Ben had better watch it when he comes back!

I like your enthusiasm, Lockefan!
:14happy: Thank you! In the immortal words of the late Justin Wilson (The Cajun Cook): "I tell you this for true...", if I were any more enthused about every single aspect of LOST*, I would spontaneously combust. I love, love, love, love, LOVE everything* about this show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, I really think I might be onto something here about the shooting being at least in part a plot device to reveal that Locke has both kidneys (again, I'm impressed that a few of y'all noticed that the shot was placed where his kidney would be, that one totally was lost on me when I watched and I'm sure I could watch--and I will--the episode a few more times and I still would NEVER have picked up on that! Y'all are bril, no two ways about it.). From there, we could go on to learn just what was done to Locke in that surgery that he thought was a kidney donation. "See you on the other side, John." *shudder!*

But, like I said, I just want the man to live. Don't care what we learn or don't learn, just let him live!!!!!!!!!!!

I say he rolls over right now and starts building a ladder of Dharma bones...
*Tee hee*, a ladder of Dharma bones, too funny! Yet I can totally see him doing that, he is very good at survival skills. Man, when he left for his Walkabout Tour, he sure ended up getting more than he bargained for!

* Except for the choice they made to have Michael shoot Ana and Libby...I'm not happy about him killing them, even to rescue his son, I feel his character would have figured out some other way to round up the people on the list and get them to the Others...but I digress...

I think Ben was challenging Jacob when he said lets see if he can help you now...

I think Locke will live...

No way is Locke dead. That just can't happen. It would be too much of a betrayal by this show. I won't believe it.

I think if Ben wanted to kill John he would have finished him off with a bullet to the head (unless Ben is a great shot and was aiming for John's only kidney). Especially since we all know now that the island tends to heal people not completely dead. I don't think Ben dares killing John now as he would lose more credibility with his people and might have to face the wrath of Jacob.

I think Ben was trying to get John out of the picture for a few days so he could regain control of the Other's camp (which was hard to do with John undermining him and headbutting people), and get the raid on the Losties planned out and underway. John would not let that raid happen.

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"


Relax buddy, if you look at where Locke was shot, you'll realise you have nothing to worry about. He was shot in the left side midsection. He no longer has any major organs there, thanks to his Pop.

Great catch!
I also suspect that Alex is tracking them (that's why she gave Locke the gun) because she has seen other people go off to see Jacob with her Dad, never to return. If so, she will likely rescue Locke, and tend to his wounds.

I think if Ben wanted to kill John he would have finished him off with a bullet to the head (unless Ben is a great shot and was aiming for John's only kidney).


Michael intended to kill Ana, and he never shot her in the head. I think Ben did intend to kill Locke, I just don't know whether or not he suceeded. I won't believe it until I see his lifeless body. And maybe not even then. *cough*Mikhail*cough*

Although it would be ironic if Ben started referring to Locke as 'the sacrifice Jacob demanded' ;)

No way Locke is dead, for all the reasons mentioned. If he is, I may be one of those people who might stop watching. It was the "Walkabout" episode that really got me hooked into the show in the first place.

My prediction: In his semi-conscious state, Locke has another vision. At the end, he is healed. He gets up, and BOY IS HE PISSED! He is going to put Ben in his place, one way or another, and take over leadership of the Others.

I'm a big Terry O'Quinn fan and I didn't wince when I saw Locke shot. No way would they off Locke, not at this point. A Locke death later in the series wouldn't surprise me--he could be a series finale death. But now? No way. He seems too important to the story being told.

I wondered why they had Anthony Cooper bite Locke in "The Brig." Seemed kind of weird. They made a point of showing Locke take the bandages off to show that he healed quickly. Foreshadowing or reminding the more casual viewers of Lost that Locke heals fast? Hmmmmm....

I've seen posters here on the 'lage opine that they they think Locke is dead. Some posters have several hundreds of posts. I don't understand why these posters think Locke is dead. To me, Locke is alive until proven dead.

I say he rolls over right now and starts building a ladder of Dharma bones...

That is a funny image, and I can see it clearly in my mind. But it does raise an interesting point which I'll have to go back and look at--is the grave so deep that he can't scale out? Will he need the help of someone?

Does Locke Live? Find out below...


Wednesday, May 23, 9 pm/ET, ABC
In the two-hour season finale, Lost viewers will definitely get some answers, with the help of Jack's (Matthew Fox) flashback, a changed Locke and a long-awaited showdown that will determine a significant outcome for the future of the castaways.
http://www.tvguide.com/special/FinaleFever2007/may21-29-2.aspx

which makes me also think that alpert is following them and is going to help Locke out also....

Locke can't be dead if there is to be a confrontation between he and Jack. Unless, giving Sawyer the tape was the confrontation. Never turn your back with a gun in the back of your waistband!

I would be shocked as all h*ll if Locke were dead. There is a definite reason why he survived the 8 story fall, why he was brought there in the first place, healed multiple times, has made communion with the island. With all the hoopla leading up to his meeting Jacob, then hearing Jacob's call for help, I think it would be pretty lame to just leave it at that. Okay, there's some ageless guy named Jacob trapped up in a cabin by Ben, surrounded by this magical dust to either protect him or protect Ben's need to be special. End of story. I think not! IMO, obviously Locke is the only one who CAN help Jacob/the "hostiles" and restore the island.

OK you have me convinced now. I am now drinking "the Island/Jacob will heal him" Kool-Aid.

There are a couple of reasons that I think Locke cannot die just yet...

They made a point of showing the quick healing Cooper bite, and then showed him absolutely destroy Mikhail (who btw, not exactly having a good week). Jin had trouble with Mikhail and he is former military and a professional thug. I think Locke coming on like a young Mike Tyson was a hint that he is becoming much stronger.

Also, he heard Jacob. If Jacob can cure Juliet's sister's cancer halfway around the world, I think he can handle a bullet if Locke can't self-heal. And after surviving the hatch implosion, I think if he does die, he could transform into some other Jacob-like creature. Kinda like when Obi-Wan lets Vader kill him and says that he'll come back more powerful than he can imagine. Anyway, just my .02 about Locke's death/non-death.

I had convinced myself he didn't die and then this


(http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1)http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1

This says that Terry sold his house in Hawaii!!!
(http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1)

*agrees with cylune*


agrees with gusthepolarbear who also agrees with cylune.

I had convinced myself he didn't die and then this


(http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1)http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1

This says that Terry sold his house in Hawaii!!!
(http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1)

What a load! Before moving to Hawaii, TOQ lived in the same place in Maryland (or was it Virginia?) with the same wife for, like 25 years! He's one of the most grounded and domestically stable actors out there. He's just messing with her.

If Jacob can cure Juliet's sister's cancer halfway around the world,

We only have Ben's word and some easily fakeable medical charts to establish that Rachel's cancer ever came back in the first place. Since we know that Ben is always telling lies, I doubt that Jacob does long distance cures. Jacob is a convenient tool Ben uses to manipulate his people.

Cardie

Locke can't be dead if there is to be a confrontation between he and Jack. Unless, giving Sawyer the tape was the confrontation. Never turn your back with a gun in the back of your waistband!

Who said there is to be a confrontation between Jack and John.

Spoilerfix always said either Jack v. John OR Jack v. Sawyer.

Either the island heals John or he's dead.
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We only have Ben's word and some easily fakeable medical charts to establish that Rachel's cancer ever came back in the first place. Since we know that Ben is always telling lies, I doubt that Jacob does long distance cures. Jacob is a convenient tool Ben uses to manipulate his people.

Cardie


I totally believed that her cancer never came back!!
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I had convinced myself he didn't die and then this


(http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1)http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1

This says that Terry sold his house in Hawaii!!!
(http://tv.yahoo.com/lost/show/36617/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070510:tv-4997692beec0e5b7a81789c454106de0__ER:1)

Thank you for that!!:eek2:

Locke's not dead. French chick to the rescue for sure!

I really hope he's alive; I'm not sure if that's realistic or not. I hope that TPTB adress the issue in the podcast. If they say "nope, he's dead" we'll know he's really gone, but if they say "well, Carlton, I don't know it looked like he got shot kind of low......." that's a different story.

My hope is that someone will come to his rescue. Alex apparently know that a visit to Jacob would be dangerous, so she could have followed them. And if she know it would be dangerous, maybe the other Others did too, so maybe Alpert or Tom followed. Or, as some have mentioned, maybe even Danielle. She was presumably off to blow up the others when we saw her in The Brig, and maybe she decided to follow Ben and Locke because she knows that Ben is the one that's stolen her daughter...

Or, it's possible that Jacob will actually save John. If Jacob is as powerful as we've been lead to believe, he could save Locke, since he apparently needs John's help,

As shocking as it was for Locke to be shot and lying in a pile of bones, it was also shocking that Ben pulled the trigger. Ok, they showed him gassing his dad and that was very specific but so far I'm pretty sure he had not killed anyone else (that we are aware of - even the rabbit was only drugged to look dead).

I can see pros/cons either way, but I think Locke is still alive - at least there's a chance for him to still be alive. I suspect Jacob/Island will heal him and then when he next sees Ben, it'll scare the you-know-what out of Ben.

I doubt that he's dead. Ben would have plugged him in the head if he was intended to die. The island will heal him, and Richard probably followed them and will give him some first aid. If Naomi is up and around after her wounds, I'm not worried about Locke.

However, I don't think we'll see him next week and people will be angsting for a while as Darlton chuckle in glee.

Cardie

I was thinking the same thing that either Richard or Alex or both would come and help him out after seeing Ben come back without Locke

Next time we see Ben he will be in the jungle by himself........slowly the camera will stalk him to make us think it is the Smoke Monster.....suddenly we will hear a crunch and the camera will pan around to show Locke with a bloody knife......Ben will be permanently paralyzed and then Locke will drag him back to the Hostile/Others camp and expose him to the whole group as a fraud.........Ben dies as a torrent of Hostile/Others reign blows down upon him and then decapitate him!

Tundra... do you have some anger issues? You really shouldn't hold back, tell us what you really think.

Yeah, Ben is a psycho, back stabbing, murdering bastard. This epidsode proves he is capable of ANYTHING!!!
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You know what is really interesting about that point, if you guys are right (and what an interesting thing to notice--I'm always impressed with my fellow LOST fans!) and if Locke lives?* If he lives, then presumably Jack or someone will have to remove the bullet and wouldn't it be INTERESTING (and prove moi's longstanding theory here *lol*) if Jack says something like "the bullet has hit his kidney, I have to take it out!" Then when Locke recovers and they tell him, he would natch say, "Hang on a tick, I don't HAVE a kidney there, whatchu tawkin' 'bout, Jack?" And then it would come out that whatever the surgery was involving Locke thinking he was donating a kidney to Daddio, that is not really what was done to him!

So maybe this whole shooting thing is at least in part a vehicle towards bringing out that Locke really has both his kidneys! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! I would love it if he not only lived but, at the same time, my theory were proven correct *LOL*!!!

But I'll settle for just the him living part! Oh please oh please oh PLEASE! :63: :63: :63:

* And he just HAS to live, he has to, has to, HAS TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or Locke grew his kidney back because of the island ?
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It took me an hour, but I read this entire thread. There are some great reasons for Locke to be alive or dead.
I don't want to believe he is dead but in past seasons when major characters died some posters felt the character had made peace with their pasts and therefore died. Examples: Shannon getting past her issues with Boone, Eko facing his past transgressions without guilt, Boone getting past his issues with Shannon, etc. Of course not everyone agreed with those theories, but if you follow that theory it could be said that Locke has let his Daddy issues go(by having Sawyer kill him) and therefore can die.

Any thoughts?

I think Locke will live thanks to Richard...

Remember when younger Ben met Rich in the jungle, Rich asked him if his mom died on the island. Now what difference does it make? Here's your answer. :cool:

Locke is the island messiah, IMO. So, either he is dead and will be resurrected or he can't die. Locke is Dead, Long Live John Locke!!

Locke is Dead, Long Live John Locke!!

If Locke I. is dead, who is Locke II.?

Anyone worried about Locke dying can just chill. Why would he be the focus of the last couple of episodes, finally get to Jacob, see him, hear him speak, and then die? No freakin' way he's dead.


To come back as a ghost and attempt to get Jack to help but Jack refuses to help him and decides he is a Other now because what Locke is saying is so far fetch Jack thinks he has been brainwashed or something? I like Locke but for me it is more interesting to have him dead and come back as a ghost of the island or something like that. That is for me.

Well, guys, I went back and rewatched the episode again twice last night, obsessed LOST fan that I am, and I was specifically looking at where the bullet went into Locke's bod. Sorry, but it sure looked like it entered higher and more to the center than where I think one's kidney would be. HOWEVER, 1.) depending on the trajectory, it could have ended up where his kidney is or was, and 2.) We are so over-exposed to TV violence that sometimes we forget that anytime a bullet is shot into your torso at close range, it is pretty much going to be carnage. Even if it didn't make a perfect landing in or near the kidney area, if Jack gets in there to operate, he could still see the kidney (or lack thereof) in the general operating field. I really tend to think, since some posters brought up yesterday that they felt that the bullet went in right where his kidney either is or used to be, that even if it didn't enter right there but just anywhere in the general vicinity, we are going to find out once and for all if his kidney is gone like he thinks it is.

However, interesting point that what if it really was removed but then, due to the special island healing properties, GREW BACK?

My personal view is that it is there, it never left, and Daddy Dearest and his band of merry off-island Others did SOMETHING else to John Locke in that surgery. What exactly, I don't know, but something along the lines of monitoring him, controlling his ability to walk, or something. And I am thinking/hoping now that maybe this gunshot is the beginning of the story taking a turn wherein we are going to find out what did and/or did not happen in that surgery.

Meanwhile, now that I did rewatch the episode twice, all I can say is that Rousseau or Rousseau II (Alex) had better get to the Dharma pit and get there FAST, because Locke doesn't look too good to me. Oh dear. Oh dear, dear, DEAR!

I think he will live...

Picture this… Locke laying in the pit, slowly dying from the gunshot wound. We hear the all too familiar sound as the smoke monster appears and gently lifts him out of the pit and finally takes him underground as it tried to in Season 1… nice ;)

Here I didn't think ANYTHING could be more jaw dropping then the wheelchair reveal.

That was just stunning. Wow! :jawdrop: but to do what they now have done. :ohmy: :whoa: :msn-oh: :scared: :shock1: :surprise:

I bow in AWE to the writers :77:

I still think Ben killed Locke because he could hear the whispers.

Maybe Mikhail will save him? I think Mikhail hates Ben, too, and even though Locke beat him pretty badly, Mikhail may want an ally against Ben...

I am not so sure Locke is dead. Why? because as my Son-in-law pointed out. The placement of the would would have been fatal - hitting a major bodily organ but since Locke does not have one kidney there is no major organ to hit.
Just a thought.

I want to believe that someone followed Locke and Ben into the jungle and will help poor John ..... :(

If they kill him off the show....I won't watch it anymore....

I honestly don't think TPTB could kill Locke, and if they did it would be a really stupid move, because IMO TMFT, The Brig, and now TMBTC have been the best 3 eps in S3, and none of them would have happened without Locke. His character is so essential to the story, perhaps even more than Jack.

Check this out:

"Let's just say the end of the season features a showdown between Jack and Locke — a showdown long anticipated and a showdown with an extremely significant outcome for the future of the castaways." - Carlton Cuse

His character is so essential to the story, perhaps even more than Jack.


Very true. I'd say Locke is definitely way more essential to the story than Jack, and more interesting too. My opinion of course, I'm sure some will disagree.

Thanks to those posting spoilers concerning whether or not Locke is alive, regardless of whether or not they are definitive. I normally avoid spoilers like the plague, but not this time.

Here's a link to a cool interview with ME from a NY tv station. It is somewhat spoilery and it contains ME's thoughts on what's happening with Ben and Locke - especially Locke. ME is such a nice, fun person in the interviews...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n0cNk_xT25k

He only has 1 kidney :biggrin:

He only has 1 kidney :biggrin:


Nice....didn't think of that!.

Killing off Locke would be nuts after the tremendous thought and energy that's been placed into moulding his character. He's been driven by some strange call of destiny for so long throughout that it wouldn't make any sense to finish him. He is the king of curiousity; the Indiana Jones of the Island (which kind of makes Ben Belloq!)

He'll live. He's Locke. The Island "loves" him and heals him very quickly. And this Jacob thing spoke to him, so I'm guessing he'll probably help Locke along.

Guys, don't read if you haven't seen the episode. Seriously.

I don't believe he's dead for one second. I think Jacob is going to heal Locke and punish Ben for killing the man he asked for help. Ben is so dead.


I totally agree with you, although before you are healed by the Island...you must have gone through some kind of surgery...The bullet must be removed, unless it went through his chest. ( Ben shot him at point blank range)( and Locke has a special connection to the Island)

From the posts that I have viewed, it seems like the majority of people say he will live. If he doesn't, then there are going to be a lot of pissed off fans it seems like!

From the posts that I have viewed, it seems like the majority of people say he will live. If he doesn't, then there are going to be a lot of pissed off fans it seems like!

So true...Even Ben see's Locke as a threat to his leadership, as the people are already turning against Ben...this was set up by the other who gave Locke, Sawyer's file....( must be a small group who want Ben out)...And back to Locke being shot, I'm wondering if Danielle's daughter was following them and helps Locke recover...

I just watched the gunshot scene again. A small error I noticed...

Locke gets shot, falls backwards in to the grave, arms extended.
He lands, arms still extended.. he brings his hand to his wound for the first time, but his fingers are already bloody.
Cut to Ben and then back to Locke.. Locke's hand has no blood.
Cut to Ben again, and back to Locke.. blood is on his hand again.

I'm not sure why people say Locke is dead. We never saw him die, he was only shot. And I'm sure if Ben wanted to kill him, he would have done so. Besides, remember when Locke saw his father for the first time on the island? Ben told him to becareful, he didn't listen, his father bit him, and the following day Locke removed his bandage, and the wound was healed. Why wouldn't the same thing happen to Locke after being shot? He's been healed from the bit, and paralysis.... how could one little gunshot wound kill him, come on?

I anticipate Locke will get up out of that grave once he is healed and go back to the cabin to have a little one on one with Jacob. :eek2:
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From the posts that I have viewed, it seems like the majority of people say he will live. If he doesn't, then there are going to be a lot of pissed off fans it seems like!

Even if he doesn't 'live' we know that the island has a way of harboring the spirits of the dead, so I don't foresee Locke's character leaving the show anytime soon.

My speculation:

I wonder if Danielle might just show up in the nick of time and save Locke. Maybe that was the significance of them meeting in the previous episode...


That is just what I was thinking.

I so did not see that coming.

I don't think I've ever had so much emotion vested in a tv character as with Locke.


I believe if Locke is dead, the show is dead.

Locke holds the mystery of island and his death would leave only a bunch of loonies on one side and a bunch of bickering, confused people on the other side of the island.

I so did not see that coming.

I don't think I've ever had so much emotion vested in a tv character as with Locke.


I believe if Locke is dead, the show is dead.

Locke holds the mystery of island and his death would leave only a bunch of loonies on one side and a bunch of bickering, confused people on the other side of the island.
Hate to say it, but Locke's been clocked. Get over it. If not, then he is an immortal who never has to fear death, which makes the show even worse.

Hate to say it, but Locke's been clocked. Get over itWon't have to. Locke is too important to the story to die at this point. He may die eventually, but he isn't going out with a cheap, two-minute death. I think the whole Cooper-bites-Locke-heals-fast scenes sets the stage for a Locke recovery.

If not, then he is an immortal who never has to fear death, which makes the show even worse.Even worse? Not sure what you mean by that. I would not be surprised to see Locke die at some point, perhaps in the series finale. Healing fast doesn't mean immortality--if someone would cut off Locke's head or blow him up with dynamite, and Locke survived, I think that those circumstances would point to immortality. But Locke healing from a gunshot wound on THIS island? Something many of us would take for granted based on what we already know about Locke and the Island.

Won't have to. Locke is too important to the story to die at this point. He may die eventually, but he isn't going out with a cheap, two-minute death. I think the whole Cooper-bites-Locke-heals-fast scenes sets the stage for a Locke recovery.

Even worse? Not sure what you mean by that. I would not be surprised to see Locke die at some point, perhaps in the series finale. Healing fast doesn't mean immortality--if someone would cut off Locke's head or blow him up with dynamite, and Locke survived, I think that those circumstances would point to immortality. But Locke healing from a gunshot wound on THIS island? Something many of us would take for granted based on what we already know about Locke and the Island.
We'll find out soon, either way. Here's a question for you, not sure if this is completely relevant on this thread.

I did some research on Prometheus Bound, the play by Aeschylus. Could Jacob be this god? Prometheus is the god who brings fire to man (volcano god?). He is chained to a summit of a mountain by Zeus, near the shores of Oceanus, which is at the end of the world. He also helped men tame animals, build ships and heal themselves. Perhaps the four toed statue was of him before he was chained.

IMO TMFT, The Brig, and now TMBTC have been the best 3 eps in S3, and none of them would have happened without Locke. His character is so essential to the story, perhaps even more than Jack.

I agree, and I hope we start seeing more of Locke and less of Jack. I miss Locke, and I know he has a lot more to tell us. He's on a mission to learn about The Island now, and that's how the viewers will learn, too--through Locke.

...his death would leave only a bunch of loonies on one side and a bunch of bickering, confused people on the other side of the island.
LOL...you've got that right!


One more thing: YIKES! :eek2: I didn't know you could see spoilers inside a quote! I should've realized it, but I just never thought of it before. Note to self: be more careful!

Healing powers....not dead yet. Man of Science, Man of Faith. With Locke's survival will perhaps change Jack into a man of faith and also, for locke to learn a bit more about science perhaps.

Seeing as Alex seemed to know that Ben might try to kill Locke (when she handed him the gun), I have a feeling she'll show up to save him. She's probably been tracking them the whole time.

I still have this feeling that Richard and Ben's mom and all the other sightings are very Sixth-Sense like. The image of Locke in the hole reminds me Bruce Willis bleeding on the bed.

The odd dust around the cabin reminds me of the brick dust in the Skeleton Key.

I am looking forward to a development on these themes in the future.
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As for if Locke is dead,

I keep going back and forth on this one.

In the past we have always had threads about the recently dead no really being dead. Up until this epi, all the dead have remained dead. There has been no hail mary saves, no miracles. The island didn't heal Eko, he's still dead.

However, Patch did come back in this epi and it was gleened over with a small comment about the fence not being on high power. Maybe this is the precident we need to ligitimate the hope for John. Maybe French lady or Alex or Jacob or Alpert will save him and maybe the fact the kidney is gone is what will give him a chance. He is the ONLY character who said "I have seen the island and she is beautiful". I did notice that he was joyfully enjoying a piece of island fruit as he began his walk with Ben. I believe we have seen this image 2x before as he discussed the mystery and beauty of the island.

Locke's not dead. French chick to the rescue for sure!

Or her daughter (Alex) who was so concerned for Locke's life that she gave him a gun before he set off with her "father". I wouldn't be surprised if she is tracking them.
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I don't think I've ever had so much emotion vested in a tv character as with Locke.

For that matter, did you ever imagine you would devote this much time and effort to trying to figure out a TV show? I never did.

Locke will not die. Locke will not die. *breathe breathe* Locke will not die. Locke will not die.

I dont think he is dead, purely because we didnt actually see him die at the end of the episode. I would have thought that if they wanted to kill of Locke then they wouldnt leave him in a ditch breathing still.

In the recent podcast -


Damon and Carlton seemed to strongly suggest Locke wasn't dead.

Locke is not dead according to Michael Emerson. Michael Emerson is back home in NYC from filming and was on a segment of the Morning Show on WB11 on Friday morning (5/11). He was asked that exact question, an his reply was to the effect of "Locke is not dead, and something that he gave up will help him later."

I can only guess that would be his kidney. He was shot in the same relative area.

Now one has to wonder, since the character Ben Linus is a proven liar, if the actor that plays Ben is following suit. Hmmmmmmmmm

.....

I'm in denial too.

Shannon, Libby and A-L were shot in the belly also and they died.

But Locke will survive because.... hmmm, Jack will arrive by van to save the day!!! Or... er, whatever. But sth will happen and Locke will survive.

No way he is dead. But I was wondering if they won't show us what happened to him until next season...
My take is that he will be saved by Smokie. But perhaps it won't look like a dark cloud, but a bright beautiful light.

Or her daughter (Alex) who was so concerned for Locke's life that she gave him a gun before he set off with her "father". I wouldn't be surprised if she is tracking them.
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For that matter, did you ever imagine you would devote this much time and effort to trying to figure out a TV show? I never did.

I would have never seen myself spending this much time on a tv show. Ya watched 'em and forgot 'em.

It's just gotta be that a) Locke is ok and b) he gets a Lot more screen time.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77756
!!!!!

Don't think he's dead, I predict some sort of healing going on (whether help by a doctor or this "Jacob" entity or whatever. Frankly, Locke is the only character actively trying to seek out and understand the Island's history, secrets, mythology, you name it. I mean Eko was spiritual but they offed him early this season. Without Locke, I really don't forsee anyone else stepping up to the island's challenge and driving both his (and our own) understanding of what the heck is going on...

Locke's heavy breathing at the end points to a collapsed lung and something tells me Mikhail will show up to help him. I know it's far fetched but I think Mikhail didn't put up a fight against Locke because he's on the "special" list.

Mikhail followed them, he heard the conversation between Ben and Locke and when he realizes Locke could hear Jacob he'll save him.

EDIT*. In the last scene at the camp as they're leaving to see Jacob, the camera shows Mikhail. I don't think it's a coincidence and he has this look on his face that tells me he'll be following them.

Hello out there!

Please! Locke can not die! he is THE Lost Character!

I'm a rare poster but had to get this off my chest.
I have proof that Locke isn't dead, thanks to IMDB, just check out the upcoming episodes and the characters/actors featured.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0642368/



Also, in the finale, look the character list near the bottom and you'll see another character who looks set for a surprising appearance.


Please DON'T follow the link if you don't want to know

1) Locke surely didn't die. It would have been a very weak way to kill off locke, so it's safe to assume he doesn't die in that pit (He got a shot that wasn't necessarily fatal - ben could've killed him if he really wanted to. I'll bet the shot hit him where his kidney used to be)
2) Locke has this new badass attitude, even going so far as to beat down mikhael after coercing ben to take him to jacob.
3) Locke has the respect of Richard, Tom, and likely others
4) Given Locke's new attitude with regard to the others, it seems to follow that he will heal, come back, and overthrow (kill?) Ben, which would effectively eliminate the others' leader. Who better to fill the spot?


Anything missed here? I really don't see how else this could play out
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(off topic for this thread, but just had to add this. Did anyone find a striking resemblence between ben's younger mom, and today's Isabel? )

Ben...please make use of spoiler font when addressing anything about upcoming episodes.

Prediction:

He got shot in the one good kidney he has...and they're gonna get his other one back from Cooper.

Perhaps.... but you could also think about it like this... He got shot in the area where his kidney was taken from so actually his father could have saved his life by stealing it from him.

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(off topic for this thread, but just had to add this. Did anyone find a striking resemblence between ben's younger mom, and today's Isabel? )

Did you know that Carrie Preston, the actress who plays Ben's mom, is actually married to Michael Emerson?