What happened to Annie?
Do you think that she simply died with the rest of Dharma, or something else happened to her?

I was expecting that Ben would see her body at the least. Which means that either:

1) she met some kind of earlier demise that we'll learn about in a future Ben flashback (maybe she died in pregnancy? with Ben's kid?)

2) she also defected -- remember Ben said he was "one of those" who picked the side of the Hostiles, NOT "the only one"

I guess we'll learn...

Do you think she went away? She gave him those dolls, and it looked like she kept the boy one, and he kept the girl one. Was it a goodbye gift?

Not seeing Annie's body or knowing her fate was a huge disappointment to me; what was the point in the scene between she and Ben? Just to contrast Annie's sweetness with Roger's bitterness? I thought for sure we were going to see her amongst the Dharma victims...........Great eppy, but this part was poorly handled.

Having thought about it a little more, I definitely think that it was not a mistake that we didn't see Annie's body after the purge. I think she died before, perhaps as a result of something Dharma did, and that we'll see that in a future Ben flashback. Perhaps that was the turning point in Ben's defection.

Do you think she went away? She gave him those dolls, and it looked like she kept the boy one, and he kept the girl one. Was it a goodbye gift?

I could definitely see this being a possibilty. After all, she did say something along the lines of "This way we'll always be together..."

Of course, I'm always a big fan of the "Annie died in childbirth with Ben's baby" theory - maybe that's why he's so obsessed with fertility.

I've posted in General Theories that I think she's Danielle.

I really really wanted her to be Kate. But the age doesn't fit...

I was expecting that Ben would see her body at the least. Which means that either:

1) she met some kind of earlier demise that we'll learn about in a future Ben flashback (maybe she died in pregnancy? with Ben's kid?)

2) she also defected -- remember Ben said he was "one of those" who picked the side of the Hostiles, NOT "the only one"

I guess we'll learn...

I think 1) would be quite interesting, and would explain his obsession with figuring out the fertility issue. Alpert said last week that some thought he was wasting his time on it after all...

I've posted in General Theories that I think she's Danielle.

I really really wanted her to be Kate. But the age doesn't fit...

I really don't think Danielle is faking her accent

I'm wondering if we will maybe see Annie at some other point. She could either still be on the Island or she could be working off-Island.

My theory is that Annie was Ben's first link to Jacob- in that she could talk to Jacob and hear him- but something happened to her, which is why Ben was so amped up about Locke hearing Jacob.

I really don't think Danielle is faking her accent

She's not faking it. She could have been exposed to various languages and dialects in the years following the purge, while she was still young enough to absorb the rhythms and prounounciations.
Throw in approx 16 years of isolation, and you've got a unique speech pattern, one that someone skilled in listening and assessing, could identify the influences, especially the dominant eastern european / slavic undertones.

My first theory was that Annie is Danielle.

I also like the idea that Annie died in childbirth with Ben's baby

Ben's ruthless. Annie probably fell victim to the Purge.

No. If Ben knew Annie would die in the Purge, he'd have never been a part of it.

Since no one leaves the Island, I doubt Annie left.

If she'd been killed by Hostiles, Ben wouldn't be working with them.

Maybe Annie died as a result of a Dharma experiment gone wrong? We've seen Ben was just given a janitor's job as an adult. Following in the footsteps of daddy--of his "class." Maybe Annie was a scientist's daughter, became one herself, and then the experiment went awry.

Or, maybe it's the died in childbirth thing. That does fit in with Ben's obsession with the issue. And since these people seem to have long lives (if not immortality) it probably wasn't essential to have kids--except there's something about every society that wants them. And Ben would want to know what killed Annie.

I'm wondering if we will maybe see Annie at some other point. She could either still be on the Island or she could be working off-Island.

I'm hoping that the reason that they didn't tell us what happened to her is because we're not done with Annie yet. When Ben first came to the island, did she tell him that she had been there a while?

They never showed adult Annie did they? Just seeing her dead body would have been a bit odd since we never saw her adult body alive. I think something may have happened to her in childhood or a younger age than that.

Well, I kept on waiting for the camera to zoom in on a female body from Ben's POV, and then he would walk over to it, and look sad...or something. It's just odd that they didn't address her at all after the whole doll exchange thing. Maybe she did get pregnant and died, and that's why a) he felt he had nothing to lose participating in the Purge and b) he's so obsessed with the pregnancy issue.

No, I don't think she died. It would have been shown, if she had. They left it there to pick it up again somewhere later. She may have died since that time, but not in the purge.

I think she's the lady in the painting hanging in Ben's house--the one holding the hamster.

I kept waiting for him to find Annie too in the Purge. When that didn't happen, I wondered if maybe she had died when she was pregnant or something like that.
It seems that Ben did care for her, at least at one time in his life he did.

No, I don't think she died. It would have been shown, if she had. They left it there to pick it up again somewhere later. She may have died since that time, but not in the purge.

I think she's the lady in the painting hanging in Ben's house--the one holding the hamster.


I was thinking the same thing. The painting wasn't of Bens Mom right? I bet it was Annie in that painting.

wouldn't she be the one juliet 'lost' while pregnant, and was worried about bens reaction.....you know the talk at the 'rocks' during juliets flashback.....ben says she knew what could happen

Didn't Alex say that her mother had died young? Probably she thinks the woman in the picture-Annie was her mother.

My bet is that Annie is going to be the "out there" opening for season 4 - and we are only going to know who she is because of the wooden "Ben" doll.

There has to be a reason that they left her out, I was really disappointed that there was no closure to her character... perhaps we are meant to be asking that question as a set up for another Ben flashback in the future?

I believe we will see Annie in the near future (FB or real time events).
Remember that the producers said we would get a "sense" of the fact that Ben was once in love...

What happened to Annie?
Do you think that she simply died with the rest of Dharma, or something else happened to her?

Hm... didn't Ben say something about others aligning with the Hostiles so they wouldn't die or something??? I thought there were more Dharma people with the Hostiles now than we thought. Ben is one of them... but... could he have also saved Annie?

I think only future flashback episodes will tell us the truth...

Have we seen her before and did they show her among the dead bodies at the camp at all? I can't really recall seeing her in previous episodes or even a mention of her, but she must play some significance.

No doubt TPTB would have shown Annie after they showed Ben's moment of sadness as he saw dead Horace because he had a stronger connection with her than with anyone else on the island. So where is she? I doubt she is dead, so when will we see her on the island? Ill laugh my butt off if she is Rousseau...

What if she died before the purge...That could be what push Ben over the edge...Especially if she died in childbirth....

I was really wondering about Annie....Surely Ben isn't evil enough to kill he's only friend!!

I think they intentionally left us hanging with regards to Annie. There were suggestions several ways:

1. Ben made such a point o take the carved "doll" before the barracks wee gassed - kinda indicates that it would be his memory of her - so either she was already dead or gone?
2. Ben stated that he was "ONE of those who..." - suggests that there were other DHARMA employees who went with the hostiles - maybe Annie is one of those?

Other questions - have we figured out who the woman is in the painting in Ben's house? Is it Annie or his mother? Who will be the woman that Alex thinks was her mother?

Perhaps Ben got Annie pregnant and she didn't survive the pregnancy (since women on the island can't). Much like his mother...

I think there's more to the Annie story arc -- BUT I don't think it ends well.

Perhaps Ben got Annie pregnant and she didn't survive the pregnancy (since women on the island can't). Much like his mother...

I totally claimed this theory in the Spoiler Theories forum a few weeks ago:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77713

I'm so proud of it :)

Agreed.

I think we will learn more about Ben and the "hostiles" after the Purge. Things most likely did not go as well as he had anticipated.

However, many years had passed since Ben first arrived to the island and the Purge. Wouldn't you have thought that there was at least a few instances of child birth? Was there the same problem during DI's stay as there seems to be post-Purge?

Maybe Annie had the same problem as his mother and died in childbirth. Ben could very well be "causing" the childbirth sickness. :undecide:

Didn't Kate call herself Annie when she was in Australia? The dates/ages are all wrong, plus that would mean Kate knew about the island and also knew Ben, so I don't necessarily think Annie = Kate, but it's a strange "coincidence".

It seemed like when she gave him the doll present, she was about to leave and go someplace else; giving him the doll so they would "never be apart." Did anyone else pick up on this? Perhaps her family was fleeing to join the "natives."

As I said in another thread, her absence among the dead of the Purge was certainly intentional, and she will reappear again later in the show without a doubt. Whether she is still alive or perhaps died prior to the purge is still unclear.

I was thinking the same thing. The painting wasn't of Bens Mom right? I bet it was Annie in that painting.

Unless Annie dyed her hair a blonde color, I'm thinking the painting is not of her. I think it's either Ben's mother or possibly, if time loops are in play here, a painting of Claire.

My current theory is this. Annie died in the "incident". As a member of Dharma she could of been at the station (was it the Swan?) where the incident occured. When we saw Marvin Candle in the video when Ben arrived at the Island Candle had both of his arms still yes?

Therefore if Candle lost his arm in the incident it hasn't occured yet.

I definitely agree that Ben's obsession with fertility experiments could stem from not one but two life experiences -- obviously the death of his mother during his own birth, but also the possible death of Annie during pregnancy. When we see Ben (in present time) looking at the doll Annie gave him, he's undoubtedly a man feeling a sense of loss for someone he cared about. I think Annie's death during pregnancy -- which, as we all know, is fatal on the island -- would be a perfect driving force behind the fact that Ben is leading the Others to focus almost exclusively on fertility projects that would make it possible for women to conceive and successfully give birth on the island. And it's clearly only Ben's personal ambition that is pushing the Others in that direction; Alpert even complains to Locke while they're sitting on the hill that Ben is almost wasting their time on all the fertility projects.

And of course the child Annie was pregnant with would would have been Ben's, who was probably even her husband at the time. Perhaps he felt a loss for the child, too, which is why he wanted to take the supposedly orphaned Alex under his wing and raise her as his own. Weren't there photos of a woman in Ben's house before the Others deserted their village? Those are probably of Annie before she died, and Alex thinks they're photos of her "mom."

Perhaps Ben got Annie pregnant and she didn't survive the pregnancy (since women on the island can't). Much like his mother...

I think there's more to the Annie story arc -- BUT I don't think it ends well.

I totally claimed this theory in the Spoiler Theories forum a few weeks ago:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77713

I'm so proud of it :)

Ohh, good ideas and I think you guys are right. I also figured the painting was of Ben's mom, but now I'm leaning toward it being Annie. I would love to know more about her, I hope we get to see it. How tragic would it be for Ben, to have the one person he's close to, end up dying from having his baby.

Alright, I may be waaaaay off here, but wasn't Annie the woman that Sun shot in the sub? I thought I remembered her name being Annie, but maybe I'm wrong.

Just to finalize it. The painting in Ben's house is of his MOTHER, not ANNIE.

There is a screencap from last nights episode that shows the SAME painting in little Ben's room in the house they lived in on the island. Which of course would have been when Annie was still little as well. k?

And of course the child Annie was pregnant with would would have been Ben's, who was probably even her husband at the time. Perhaps he felt a loss for the child, too, which is why he wanted to take the supposedly orphaned Alex under his wing and raise her as his own.

I am also one to think that Annie died with Ben's child--either during late pregnancy or during childbirth. But while I am pretty much convinced that Annie is dead, I'm not so sure about the child, and for some reason I'm now wondering if Alex truly is Ben's daughter?

Obviously, she could have grown up into Danielle, and could have survived by the mere fact of being the girl that Ben loved, and he let her live but survive on her own.

But there's the counter of, Why did she trap him and give him to the Losties? Should have recognized him. Or maybe it's just a very odd way at getting back at the guy who killed your friends, dumped you and stole your baby. Danielle could be lying about some things too. Did Ben say that Alex died after the birth but they secretly took the baby to another place? Speculation at this point...


Second possibility: She is someone else entirely, and we will come to know who she is soon. This could be one of those jarring crossovers, like Annie is Kate's sister or once went to the same movie theater as Hurley and they both spilled their popcorn all over the seat.


Third: She's dead. Get over it.

Danielle crashed with a team of scientific researchers 16 years ago. She was several months pregnant and Alex was taken at 1 week old and raised by Ben as his daughter. Danielle killed off her shipmates because of the "sickness." She has survived on her own since.

Annie was most likely killed in the gas attack. I expected Ben to find her body and look remorseful or something, but they didn't show that. The present day Ben was looking at the doll Annie gave him so I'm sure he misses her.

OR MAYBE...

she died trying to give birth to Ben's REAL daughter (who also died)

she died trying to give birth to Ben's REAL daughter (who also died)
That would be awesome.

I think we'll see her again, they kinda made her seem important IMO.

Alright, I may be waaaaay off here, but wasn't Annie the woman that Sun shot in the sub? I thought I remembered her name being Annie, but maybe I'm wrong.

No, that woman's name was Colleen (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Colleen).

Not seeing Annie's body or knowing her fate was a huge disappointment to me; what was the point in the scene between she and Ben? Just to contrast Annie's sweetness with Roger's bitterness? I thought for sure we were going to see her amongst the Dharma victims...........Great eppy, but this part was poorly handled.

Don't you think it is a little early to make that call? She might wind up being a major plot point.

Oh and MAYBE the above speculation caused Ben to manifest Rousseau and steal Alex.

Already being discussed:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=78849

There is a screencap from last nights episode that shows the SAME painting in little Ben's room in the house they lived in on the island. Which of course would have been when Annie was still little as well. k?

Oh man. I read the last couple of pages just to see if this had been posted yet. There WAS a shot of little Ben with that painting on a wall. It "could" be his mother but who would have painted it? I don't think it is his mother either. They never showed Roger painting anything right?

Annie's story is by no means over. You wouldn't see a character like hers introduced with no resolution all in one episode. That would not be good teevee. She will be back in another flashback. Most likely dying giving birth or something.

Just had a thought. Let's say Annie turns out to be Rousseau. No don't leave just listen LOL.

Annie is allowed to live after the purge bc Ben loves her. But, she is mad at him. She goes a little nutty, yada yada. When she catches Ben, why doesn't she just kill him or torture him like he did to Sayid? Instead she turns him over to the Losties. She tells them everything he says will be a lie. Perhaps she says this bc she has a deeper knowledge of him as a person than she lets on? Does she really know him personally from a long time ago? Does she feel betrayed by him, but still hold too many feelings for him to just kill him herself?

I don't necessarily think this will be true...it's just food for thought.

maybe he tried to get her to defect, brought her out to the hostiles.. and she panicked in some way that got her killed or hated..

Or, perhaps ben is so strong on the fertility stuff because he hates the rest of the world and for once would just like the hostiles, his people, to be self-sufficient... maybe he and annie did try, or maybe she died before they could...

Tell me I'm not the only one that thinks of Twin Peaks every time someone mentions Annie? "How's Annie? How's Annie?" :biggrin:

sorry if this has been mentioned but has anyone picked up on the very first thing Annie said to Ben - "Want one?" This immediately reminded me of Alex asking just the same question (but kiddingly) to Sawyer when he and Kate were escaping... I mean, what if Annie is Alex...

sorry if this has been mentioned but has anyone picked up on the very first thing Annie said to Ben - "Want one?" This immediately reminded me of Alex asking just the same question (but kiddingly) to Sawyer when he and Kate were escaping... I mean, what if Annie is Alex...

If Annie is Alex, then young Ben is not 40+ year old Ben, unless you've got a way to explan their current difference in ages.

Of course, I'm always a big fan of the "Annie died in childbirth with Ben's baby" theory - maybe that's why he's so obsessed with fertility.

Oh, thats a good one! I like that theory.

Oh, thats a good one! I like that theory.

It could be...but i think the main reason why Ben is obsessed with fertility is that his mother died at his birth and his father blamed him all his life for that and called him a killer...you can see since the beginning that Ben hates being called a killer and always say he's a good guy and not the killer...he tries to fight against what his father always said he was...and he tries to save women who are pregnant for the same reason...not being called a killer again...
that's my take on Ben's psychology.

Alex is Bens and Danielles daughter.

Annie is Danielles alias, when she was little she liked Annie more than Danielle.