What did he mean when he said that? What to do with Juliet? When to tell his fellow castaways?

Durring the last few episodes he seems to be under the impression that he's the losties leader and they will just blindly follow him, no questions asked.

I think he hasn't decided whether to run and hide or meet the Others face-to-face for a good oldtime beatdown. I'm opting for the lattter. BEACHFIGHT!!!!

I think it is more of the fact that how far are they willing to go. Are they just going to defend themselves or are they going to take the fight to the Others? It is not a simple thing.

Still didn't give him any right to keep his mouth shut. At least, not from the Inner Circle. CERTAINLY not from the women able to get preggers.

Besides, don't the losties themselves get any say in what they ought to do about the Others' problem? ALL their lives and futures are at stake here! And they have to wait to be told ANYTHING until AFTER the Great and Glorious Leader decides what HE wants to do (translation: what I say we are ALL gonna do)?!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! :mad:

Now that he's being FORCED to talk, watch these sheeple just fall behind him, as if nothing had been amiss about him or his attitude, or that he'd lived among the Others, or ANYTHING. :rolleyes:

Durring the last few episodes he seems to be under the impression that he's the losties leader and they will just blindly follow him, no questions asked.

yeah everyone needs to gang up on him and kick him in the shins.

want to bet he and Juliet went off and had a meeting with Rosseau and finalized their plans?

want to bet he and Juliet went off and had a meeting with Rosseau and finalized their plans?

she did conveniently just yoink all the dynamite from the black rock. then again maybe she just likes to blow things up

He's still acting weird, but he obviously has had a plan all along.

Why does everything fall on Jack? If the Losties had so many concerns, which they obviously had, they should have united as one and confronted Jack. They didn't. Jack is the glorious leader that everyone should bow down to? Please.

There is a lot of mistrust going around, and since Jack was the one in captivity for three weeks, there should be some people that, oh I don't know, might want to have reached out to him. Kate did, to her credit, but I'm talking about the others as well. Instead, everyone just whispered about his behavior amongst themselves. That's productive.

Jack certainly shares some of the blame for his secrecy. I don't like it from him anymore than I like it from the rest of the Losties. I distinctly remember how Sayid, Charlie, Desmond, and Hurley got a happy slap on the back for their secrecy. Why? It doesn't help the Losties to constantly divide. Like I said, Jack should have been confronted, like an intervention, if the concern about his behavior was so great, and especially after everything he's done for them. I'm just saying. It would have been nice, but then again, it's the Losties. They are all dysfunctional.

As for what Jack meant, I think Jedimaster was correct. Deciding to bring everyone into a war or even suggest it, is not an easy thing to decide. And if the Losties DON'T want to go to war, then they should speak up.

When Jack stated that he hadn't decided what do to, he lost all his power. It was a defining moment. Just look at Sayid's and Sawyer's faces.

Jack is either a snake in the mailbox or a victim of major hubris.

Why does everything fall on Jack? If the Losties had so many concerns, which they obviously had, they should have united as one and confronted Jack. They didn't. Jack is the glorious leader that everyone should bow down to? Please.

There is a lot of mistrust going around, and since Jack was the one in captivity for three weeks, there should be some people that, oh I don't know, might want to have reached out to him. Kate did, to her credit, but I'm talking about the others as well. Instead, everyone just whispered about his behavior amongst themselves. That's productive.

Jack certainly shares some of the blame for his secrecy. I don't like it from him anymore than I like it from the rest of the Losties. I distinctly remember how Sayid, Charlie, Desmond, and Hurley got a happy slap on the back for their secrecy. Why? It doesn't help the Losties to constantly divide. Like I said, Jack should have been confronted, like an intervention, if the concern about his behavior was so great, and especially after everything he's done for them. I'm just saying. It would have been nice, but then again, it's the Losties. They are all dysfunctional.

As for what Jack meant, I think Jedimaster was correct. Deciding to bring everyone into a war or even suggest it, is not an easy thing to decide. And if the Losties DON'T want to go to war, then they should speak up.

Some of the blame? He arrived back at camp with an Other and wouldn't even permit anybody to ask her questions? He made the choice to go off in his little corner with Juliet. If the others "owed" him, IMO that was paid off by letting him stay among them despite his apparent friendliness toward Juliet and his refusal to give them ANY information about the Others. He behaved like a complete jerk by not telling them what Juliet told him about the Others' plan to raid the camp for the women until HE decided what to do about it... as though they have no right to participate in planning a strategy.

I don't get how Jack can be berated for "keeping secrets" yet Sayid,Desmond etc who kept Naomi secret from the others are not criticised in almost anyway shape or form.

I don't get how Jack can be berated for "keeping secrets" yet Sayid,Desmond etc who kept Naomi secret from the others are not criticised in almost anyway shape or form.
The reason Sayid and Co. were keeping her a secret was to keep Jack from finding out, as Sayid explained. They simply don't trust Jack. The two secrets are nothing alike IMO, since Naiomi posed no threat to the camp. Jack was holding back information about an imminent attack on the camp, which puts them ALL at risk and which they all have a right to know about. Big difference.

They were suspicious of Jack because of how long he spent with "The Others" (which everyone seems to forget wasn't all roses for him either being kept in that fishtank) and him making a deal with them yes??

They were suspicious of Jack because of how long he spent with "The Others" (which everyone seems to forget wasn't all roses for him either being kept in that fishtank) and him making a deal with them yes??
I think that's a big part of it, plus the fact he wasn't giving them any information about the Others, or having Juliet give them any information either.

But using the same logic then shouldn't Desmond be under suspicion because he made a deal with Mikhail and let him go,wanted to actively keep Naomi under wraps from the rest of the camp not to mention his "we've killed more of them than us" line.

When it comes to other people on the island keeping secrets, Jack goes balistic, but if he's the one keeping the secrets it's okay. He is so annoying.

I don't get how Jack can be berated for "keeping secrets" yet Sayid,Desmond etc who kept Naomi secret from the others are not criticised in almost anyway shape or form.

Because he is Jack and is held to a higher standard than the torturers, murderers, thieves, liars, ect. The society rejects get all the slack leaving no slack left to give Jack for making a bad decision even though, unlike his fellow castaways, Jack is never motivated by a selfish or personal agenda.

This is why Jack is the leader. He can make all these decisions and keep going with the proper motivations even when all those he's attempting to lead and take care of are stabbing him in the back.

Because he is Jack and is held to a higher standard than the torturers, murderers, thieves, liars, ect. The society rejects get all the slack leaving no slack left to give Jack for making a bad decision even though, unlike his fellow castaways, Jack is never motivated by a selfish or personal agenda.

This is why Jack is the leader. He can make all these decisions and keep going with the proper motivations even when all those he's attempting to lead and take care of are stabbing him in the back.

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People are acting like Jack was keeping Juliet on his side just to fuc*ed up the Losties. He´s probably the only one who never acts selfish when regards the survivors. All that he has done so far was to protect the losties.
I believe that the reason why Juliet actually told Jack about Ben´s plan was exactly the fact that Jack put so much effort to "protect" her, keeping her on his side, trying to make her trust him. He knew that she never liked Ben. And he saved her life.
Kate knew all along about the "sex kills" thing, but she kept her mouth shut.
So, its like Jack "IS the leader, she should have told them", but "who the hell died and let Jack in charge" to make decisions?
This is a hell of weird way of thinking...

people are so easy to forget the fact that so many people would not be in the state they are in if it werent for Jacob. Sawyer would be dead - charlie would be dead - Rose would be dead after Boone gave her cpr the wrong way - he helped everone out when the plane crashed and is the doctor. He is constantly helping in a complete unselfish - teh second he starts eating oatmeal in teh corner ( meanwhile Desmond isn't be upfront with everyone about his visions - they hide teh fact Naomi was there and that patchy is alive and all teh otehr secrets people keep ) peopel jump on him. At least he has a plan. Everyone would be attacked blindly. He would have stepped up with the recorder it just made him step up sooner. You cna't just tell me people there is going to ba an attack and Sun will be taken. That would cause complete chaos. He'll pull through cut the dude some slack

I on the pro Jack side on this issue, he just found out the night before and started planning, keeping it to himself the same way that Sayid and everyone hid naomi, plus Sawyer is doing alot of accusing but he seems to forget that Juliet saved his life and Jack saved his life, he would be dead if it wasnt for Jack and Juliet.

There is a prefectly good reason for Jack to be secretive...the element of surprise. The only advantage the Losties would have against Ben in this raid is that they know he's coming and he thinks they don't. Jack and Juliet needed to play their cards as close to their chests as possible to avoid tipping Ben off. This involved a little more "information management" than the rest of the Losties were comfortable with, but once again, Jack sacrifices (his relationships, trust in him) for the greater good. Now that their hands have been forced, Jack will pick a course of action and will "catch everyone up" on the possible countermeasures he and Juliet have been working on.

Of course, I still think that the above is a total lie on Jack's part and that he is the real mole. Hey, he never asked to be their leader...

I agree with bears. Jack just found out, and went to the medical hatch with Juliet to get the recorder and discover the details of the attack. Going off half-cocked wouldn't have helped anyone. He was getting more information before gathering everyone together and telling them about the planned attack. That is what a leader does.

Let's talk about dangerous secrets. Desmond let's Mikhail go, then he, Charlie and Sayid bring a complete stranger into the camp and hide her. They decide not to reveal that she arrived by helicopter and a rescue ship is just offshore. Oh yeah, she has a fancy phone which works, too.

Sawyer just taken by Locke to the Black Rock and manipulated into killing Locke's dad who somehow got on the island after the crash and was a pivotal person from Sawyer's past. Oh yeah, Danille took a whole case of dynamite too.

These are just a couple of recent examples. Jack may act like a jerk sometimes, but he has their best interests at heart.

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He behaved like a complete jerk by not telling them what Juliet told him about the Others' plan to raid the camp for the women until HE decided what to do about it... as though they have no right to participate in planning a strategy.

Unless... he knows something devastating that has yet to be revealed.
Such as, Ben can kill some of them anytime he wants to, so opposing him amounts to suicide. For example, maybe Claire isn't the only one with an implant.

Another possibility is that he was keeping it secret to prevent Juliet from being lynched.

maybe he is the decider guy, or the commander guy ;)

but seriously, wasn't there a concensus that he be their leader among the other losties?

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People are acting like Jack was keeping Juliet on his side just to fuc*ed up the Losties. He´s probably the only one who never acts selfish when regards the survivors. All that he has done so far was to protect the losties.
I believe that the reason why Juliet actually told Jack about Ben´s plan was exactly the fact that Jack put so much effort to "protect" her, keeping her on his side, trying to make her trust him. He knew that she never liked Ben. And he saved her life.
Kate knew all along about the "sex kills" thing, but she kept her mouth shut.
So, its like Jack "IS the leader, she should have told them", but "who the hell died and let Jack in charge" to make decisions?
This is a hell of weird way of thinking...

We don't know that Kate didn't tell the women...

I guess my issue is that Jack was trying to make the decision that affected everyone in an almost immediate situation.

Keeping the secret of Naomi didn't involve an immediate response - there wasn't a huge time factor or an immediacy of affecting everyone by her presence. Knowing that your camp was about to be raided and possibly start an all out war is a decision that should be shared - not left to one person.

Durring the last few episodes he seems to be under the impression that he's the losties leader and they will just blindly follow him, no questions asked.


Wow, I wonder how he got that impression, after two seasons where everyone treated him as THE leader. Silly Jack. :rolleyes:

The fact that he didn't immediately tell them of his plans would suggest that he didn't expect everyone to just blindly follow him. And when Kate told him about how he wasn't trusted any longer, he wen't completely ballistic....oh wait that never happened. Pretty mild dictator isn't he?

Some of the blame? He arrived back at camp with an Other and wouldn't even permit anybody to ask her questions? He made the choice to go off in his little corner with Juliet. If the others "owed" him, IMO that was paid off by letting him stay among them despite his apparent friendliness toward Juliet and his refusal to give them ANY information about the Others. He behaved like a complete jerk by not telling them what Juliet told him about the Others' plan to raid the camp for the women until HE decided what to do about it... as though they have no right to participate in planning a strategy.
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Wow, I wonder how he got that impression, after two seasons where everyone treated him as THE leader. Silly Jack. :rolleyes:

The fact that he didn't immediately tell them of his plans would suggest that he didn't expect everyone to just blindly follow him. And when Kate told him about how he wasn't trusted any longer, he wen't completely ballistic....oh wait that never happened. Pretty mild dictator isn't he?


After spending a week with the others, giving little details about it, then bringing one back to camp and not allow anyone to question her because she's "under his protection" is asking people to blindly follow him. When Kate told him about Naomi I believe he said "why didn't anyone tell me?" He looked pretty shocked to me. I don't think he needed to go ballistic to get the piont of his arogance across to the audience. And I never called him a dictator, If anything I would describe him as disillusioned. I was a Jack fan up until the last few episodes, I really hope he proves me wrong in the finaly.

Why does everything fall on Jack? If the Losties had so many concerns, which they obviously had, they should have united as one and confronted Jack. They didn't. Jack is the glorious leader that everyone should bow down to? Please.

There is a lot of mistrust going around, and since Jack was the one in captivity for three weeks, there should be some people that, oh I don't know, might want to have reached out to him. Kate did, to her credit, but I'm talking about the others as well. Instead, everyone just whispered about his behavior amongst themselves. That's productive.

Jack certainly shares some of the blame for his secrecy. I don't like it from him anymore than I like it from the rest of the Losties. I distinctly remember how Sayid, Charlie, Desmond, and Hurley got a happy slap on the back for their secrecy. Why? It doesn't help the Losties to constantly divide. Like I said, Jack should have been confronted, like an intervention, if the concern about his behavior was so great, and especially after everything he's done for them. I'm just saying. It would have been nice, but then again, it's the Losties. They are all dysfunctional.

As for what Jack meant, I think Jedimaster was correct. Deciding to bring everyone into a war or even suggest it, is not an easy thing to decide. And if the Losties DON'T want to go to war, then they should speak up.

What a well thought-out fair lucid post. I never looked at it from Jacks point of view and you are right. I was too busy thinking he was tainted & applauding Charlie, Sayid, etc to think about it. You must be a libra, hehehehe....