I wonder why the last hatch is called the looking glass. Is it supposed to be a Alice in Wonderland joke by Dharma, or is the reason for all the hatches is that they are studying a worm hole. It could be a type of twilight zone thing that the island is the hub of different dimensions. I don't know the reason for all the hatches having different elements as code names, but obviously Dharma has some occult connection along with the science side of it.

Its the way to the rest of the world, thats why Juliet arrived by submarine.

Agreed, diablo. I think it is the way in and out. Maybe they can teleport (or something) between the looking glass and the outside world, and the sub is the ferry back and forth from the island.

Agreed, diablo. I think it is the way in and out. Maybe they can teleport (or something) between the looking glass and the outside world, and the sub is the ferry back and forth from the island.

Teleport? I don't think that technology is available yet.

Not sure that they teleport, but I do think through the looking glass is where the ride is "bumpy"

I wonder why the last hatch is called the looking glass.

I find the funny thing about the name is that ,on Sayid's plan, it is called just that. It says "LOOKING GLASS HATCH" not "LOOKING GLASS STATION'.

Didn't the logo for it have a white rabbit in the middle?

My main question: Is the submarine used to get from the outside world to the Island, or is the submarine permanantly docked at the Looking Glass, only used to ferry passengers between that station and Otherville's dock? If the latter, wouldn't that suggest that transportation between the Island and the outside world is handled another way?

the looking glass is the main hub of all things island life...what comes in and what goes out.

Not sure that they teleport, but I do think through the looking glass is where the ride is "bumpy"

Yup, that's what I'm thinking.

I wonder why the last hatch is called the looking glass. Is it supposed to be a Alice in Wonderland joke by Dharma, or is the reason for all the hatches is that they are studying a worm hole. It could be a type of twilight zone thing that the island is the hub of different dimensions...

I definitely think it's supposed to be an Alice in Wonderland reference because...

Didn't the logo for it have a white rabbit in the middle?

Yes, looks like a white rabbit head with a black spot on its neck to me. Here's a screencap. (http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/Rku8mWnoeeI/AAAAAAAAAD4/DKcuYExbIyU/s1600-h/looking.glass4.JPG) (source: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/).

I'd assume the reason for the name is because it's a portal (for the sub, according to the schematic) -- a way to travel from the outside world to this rather bizarre island.

I definitely think it's supposed to be an Alice in Wonderland reference because...



Yes, looks like a white rabbit head with a black spot on its neck to me. Here's a screencap. (http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/Rku8mWnoeeI/AAAAAAAAAD4/DKcuYExbIyU/s1600-h/looking.glass4.JPG) (source: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/).

I'd assume the reason for the name is because it's a portal (for the sub, according to the schematic) -- a way to travel from the outside world to this rather bizarre island.


Moon pool? I've had this hunch for awhile, but is the Island actually on another planet? Are people actually transported to the Island via space shuttle?

Moon pool? I've had this hunch for awhile, but is the Island actually on another planet? Are people actually transported to the Island via space shuttle?

A moon pool is something lots of underwater vessels have, its a hole in the bottom of the vessel that is open to the water, but the water doesn't ever come up because of pressure or something, I'm not sure of the specifics. It's what Charlie came up in.

For whoever asked about teleportation, they have teleported atoms and matter. its just too risky to do people, but in the world of Lost, who knows.

The Looking Glass Hatch is tied to an underwater transportation system, maybe.

Teleport was a poor choice of wording on my part. But I don't think they arrive from the outside world by conventional means. I think the airport was all a sham when Juliet drank the sleepy juice before her trip to the island. She just assumed she went via plane. I don't know how they get to the Looking Glass, but I bet it will be by some mode we never imagined.

For whoever asked about teleportation, they have teleported atoms and matter. its just too risky to do people, but in the world of Lost, who knows.

It's not that it's risky for people, it's that it's impossible for people because theres no way all the atoms of a human will reassemble in its entirety. and i dont think a human could fit in the machine they currently use for teleporting things less than 100 atoms.

Moon pool? I've had this hunch for awhile, but is the Island actually on another planet? Are people actually transported to the Island via space shuttle?

YEESSS! Someone else who shares my theory!

"Somewhere, beyond the moon..."

For whoever asked about teleportation, they have teleported atoms and matter. its just too risky to do people, but in the world of Lost, who knows.

IANAP (I Am Not A Physicist) but the stuff in the news a while ago about teleportation had to do with quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement) and not the actual teleportation of matter. It is not just "too risky" but theoretically (using the scientific definition of the word 'theory') impossible.

That being said, it is still fictionally possible ;)

It's not that it's risky for people, it's that it's impossible for people because theres no way all the atoms of a human will reassemble in its entirety. and i dont think a human could fit in the machine they currently use for teleporting things less than 100 atoms.

I agree. A former boss of mine is a physicist. Like the goofy person that I am....I asked him if, one day, quantum computers could make teleporting humans possible. He replied, it would take a huge amount of computers to reconstruct all the cells in the human body and that, in his opinion, it wasn't possible.

FYI....There's 3 million cells in one square inch of skin.

Agreed, diablo. I think it is the way in and out. Maybe they can teleport (or something) between the looking glass and the outside world, and the sub is the ferry back and forth from the island.

I think this is an interesting theory. The underwater station could be built around a spot that forms a natural wormwhole thingamabob for teleportation. If it's anything other than some sort of teleportation, how would they get to the station? A different sub? That wouldn't make much sense.

In another thread I mentioned the analogy that in Alice's adventures, the looking glass was a portal to another world, not the world itself. So in Lost world, maybe this Looking Glass HATCH, is only the doorway between worlds. The fact that they call it a hatch may be a clue to that idea. An escape hatch, and the only way out.

Am I the only one who hasn't forgotten that the crash survivors arrived on the beach by plane? And that Naomi arrived by helicoptor. I don't think either of them did that thru the underwater hatch. Call me crazy.. :)

It's not that it's risky for people, it's that it's impossible for people because theres no way all the atoms of a human will reassemble in its entirety. and i dont think a human could fit in the machine they currently use for teleporting things less than 100 atoms.

And by the same token, sentient flying clouds that kill people are impossible!

Am I the only one who hasn't forgotten that the crash survivors arrived on the beach by plane? And that Naomi arrived by helicoptor. I don't think either of them did that thru the underwater hatch. Call me crazy.. :)

Nice.

In the Lewis Carroll story, Lookingglass land was filled with "reflections": the White Queen had a backward-working memory, Tweedledee and Tweedledum were mirror images of one another ("contrariwise"), the Red Queen had to run very fast to stay in one place, Alice had to backtrack to move ahead, etc.

Maybe the Lookingglass Hatch is designed to... oh, I don't know... CONFUSE THE VIEWER until it's explained. It's just a guess.

Am I the only one who hasn't forgotten that the crash survivors arrived on the beach by plane? And that Naomi arrived by helicoptor. I don't think either of them did that thru the underwater hatch. Call me crazy.. :)
The portal may be the only way to come and go SAFELY. Flight 815 crashed on the island in 3 pieces. Naomi's helicopter plummeted into the ocean, while she impaled her lung on a tree by trying to parachute in. The Black Rock, the beech craft and Danielle's ship also crashed there. The only people we have seen make a happy landing on the island were those who arrived by sub.

And by the same token, sentient flying clouds that kill people are impossible!

Of course!

But one of the thing I like about this forum is that I can often learn things that aren't only about lost; the show is full of literary allusions that I would not get on my own, and I love the 'lage for that.

Even though LOST is a sort of sci-fi show, I think that it is important to separate science fiction from science fact on the boards. The conversation here is generally at a pretty high level (for talking about a TV show ;) ) and I think that everyone is served by not propagating myths about real world technology.

What we choose to believe in sci-fi is up to us and our imaginations.

Thanks to seaquelost and externational for posting similar thoughts.

IANAP (I Am Not A Physicist) but the stuff in the news a while ago about teleportation had to do with quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement) and not the actual teleportation of matter. It is not just "too risky" but theoretically (using the scientific definition of the word 'theory') impossible.

That being said, it is still fictionally possible ;)

entanglement is when a particle exists in more than one place at one time. this is different from teleportation, which has been done before many, many times before.

In the days of the cold war, Looking Glass was an airplane that was constantly kept in the air. It served as a flying command post from which a nuclear war could be conducted if the White House, the Pentagon, and everything else on the ground were blown to kingdom come.

My first thought when I heard the name was something similar - a secondary command post. Having seen the rabbit logo I tend to think the Alice in Wonderland reference is what was meant.

entanglement is when a particle exists in more than one place at one time.

That statement is false. It is obviously false if one were to read the link that I provided.

this is different from teleportation, which has been done before many, many times before.

Umm... Star Trek reruns don't count. There is a difference is transmitting information and transmitting matter. Again, if you have a source, cite it.

When Jack showed concern about how Charlie would get out of this place once he pushed the yellow button and it filled with water, I thought 'no way', because with all the rushing water and turbulence he'd be as helpless as Jack was when he flooded the shark tank, and would'nt be able to swim back down through the moon pool and then upwards before he ran out of air. It'd be a longer trip than coming down, and he just about drowned doing that.

So, thinking about how he'd really get out, or Desmond too, if he follows him, there's 1- get lucky and find a scuba tank, which is'nt out of the question in an underwater facility, or 2-, maybe there is some weird teleporting thingy in there they can use.

Am I the only one who hasn't forgotten that the crash survivors arrived on the beach by plane? And that Naomi arrived by helicoptor. I don't think either of them did that thru the underwater hatch. Call me crazy.. :)

And Dez arrived by boat.

Also, how would you get to the island to build the underwater hatch? It is kind of a catch 22.

It was confirmed that they did indeed crash, and that Dez caused that crash. We know that the plane did not come through the looking glass.:)

Thought I'd throw this in:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x21-hits/3x21-hitscap956.jpg

Judging by the gas cylinders connected to the mains to the left of this pic The Looking Glass is wired to blow just as The Flame was.

Thought I'd throw this in:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x21-hits/3x21-hitscap956.jpg

Judging by the gas cylinders connected to the mains to the left of this pic The Looking Glass is wired to blow just as The Flame was.

Could be oxygen in the cylinders.

Anyway.. we've been seeing that anything hi-tech (in seventies terms that is) on the island is hidden underground or under water: medical station, magnetic stuff, observation monitors, computers, tunnels...
Everything that can be seen from up in the air (barracks, school, shack, dock...) is rather typical for an underdeveloped pacific island.
So I think the relevance of the Looking Glass is to have a docking station that is hidden, along with some secundary functions, such as hosting the beacon and the radiojammer..

I still would like to believe that everything in the show can be explained with simple physics. So unless it is blatantly shown otherwise, I think there is no teleportation, no time travel, no other planets and no Jacob..

Could be oxygen in the cylinders.

Anyway.. we've been seeing that anything hi-tech (in seventies terms that is) on the island is hidden underground or under water: medical station, magnetic stuff, observation monitors, computers, tunnels...
Everything that can be seen from up in the air (barracks, school, shack, dock...) is rather typical for an underdeveloped pacific island.
So I think the relevance of the Looking Glass is to have a docking station that is hidden, along with some secundary functions, such as hosting the beacon and the radiojammer..

I still would like to believe that everything in the show can be explained with simple physics. So unless it is blatantly shown otherwise, I think there is no teleportation, no time travel, no other planets and no Jacob..

In the screencap the sign above the cylinders clearly says Danger - Oxygen.