When did Charlie learn how to swim? Back in season one, when Joanna was drowning, Charlie told Jack that the reason he did try to save her, was that he couldn't swim. So when did Charlie learn how to swim? Desmond even stated that in one of his flashbacks ,Charlie died trying to save Claire from drowning.

So why did Jack , who knows that Charlie can't swim, chose Charlie to go to the underwater hatch? When did Charlie learn how to swim? was Charlie lying, when he told Jack that he didn't try to save Joannna, because he couldn't swim

He said he "doesn't swim" .. meaning he knows how, but he's afraid of the water. His Dad had to hold onto him in order for him to get in the water.

It just shows the level of his sacrifice.

I think, now, that what Charlie was saying in "White Rabbit" and what he meant were two different things. Yeah, he could swim fine. But he knew he was high on heroin and might not be able to pull off a rescue. He couldn't tell Jack THAT. So he kinda sorta lied.

Best I can make of it, anyway.

He didn't say 'I can't swim'. He said "I don't swim'.

Subtle difference.

Charlie was still under the influence of the drugs, right?? He could of told Jack he "didn't swim..." because he didn't feel confident enough in himself to save Joanna.

Right, it is definitely significant that Charlie has a fear of swimming and being good enough and capable of it. So he relied on Jack in S1. But, clearly, he is a good swimmer. Clearly he is capable of it. And now he is willing to put his neck on the line to prove that to everyone and himself and help save them.

hmmmm, methinks the writers made a boo-boo. s'ok, though. it happens.

It's like when Charlie went swimming in 'Fire+Water' to save Aaron. When the situation calls for it, he overcomes his fear and swims.

The words "I dont" and "I cant" are 2 different things.

I dont swim. (I dont have the desire. Dont like the sting of salt water in my eyes. Dont want to lose the high I am on from my heroin. I dont want to get my hair wet. etc.)
I cant swim. (I physically am unable. I dont know how. I have on a cast & it will get wet. I have emotional issues that revolve around water & will freak. etc.)

See?

That is how I have always thought of that scene. Not that he "cant" swim.

We're still missing a huge chunk of Charlie's history (clearly something happened to his mother and his father was a monstrous figure in F+W). So, either he said he doesn't swim because:

A. He was high at the time.

or

B. Something happened in his past between learning to swim and the present to make him fearful of water. It's certainly possible...my grandfather knows how to swim, but is scared to death of deep water after nearly drowning as a kid.

hmmmm, methinks the writers made a boo-boo. s'ok, though. it happens.
Actually, it really isn't. It was confirmed last year by a writer (Javi?) that the distinction between "I don't swim" and "I can't swim" was intentional, and that Charlie can do it but doesn't want to.

So I agree, it was a major sacrifice for him to make. Jack was a little clueless, but hey, that doesn't bother me. ;)

It just shows the level of his sacrifice.

It's like when Charlie went swimming in 'Fire+Water' to save Aaron. When the situation calls for it, he overcomes his fear and swims.

Amen to both.
The fb with his dad clearly showed that he's uncomfortable in the water. That made both the fb and the dive all the more poignant and heroic.

Exactly! It seems the entire intent of this episode was to show how much Charlie had grown as a person. From a scared little "junkie" to someone who was willing to lay his life down for someone he loves.
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I think it was very telling that it started his FB all the way back to his fear of swimming and overcoming it, to Liam saying Charlie would be the one who made it - but that didn't happen (back on the mainland), and him breaking away and then to his capability of being a hero (saving Nadia).

Charlie has redefined himself on the Island and overcome lots of personal obstacles.

YEA BLOODY ROCK GOD!!!! :clapping:

Men rarely say their 'afraid" of anything. Charlie saying "I don't swim" was just a guy thing to say. It reminded me of when a Huge (it was Huge) wolf spider got in the house, I'm terrified of them, and not afraid to say so, but I'm a Girl. I ran next door to get my neighbor to kill it and he said "Sorry, I don't like them either". Guys will say "I don't like", or "I don't do that" before ever addmitting to having a fear of something. Good call on the writers part. Oh Yeah, My neighbors teenage son came over and killed the spider, I paid him 5 bucks for the job.

All the same, for someone who is able to swim to refuse to save someone from drowning because the "don't" swim is pretty bad...I guess it really does show Charlie's growth since the beginning.

Good catch i didn't thought about that...i suppose all this was maybe just another test to make him compete his fear...
We know now that it was his father who teach him how to learn...and i remember a previous flashback at christmas where his father was shown as a butcher (he was cutting head from dolls)...I'm sure his fear about water and swimming is related to his father... i suppose the guy has daddy issues lol

We don't know yet who is charlie's father exactly...the doll thing makes me think of Jacob's video....don't you think charlie's father could be jacob? the problem is it doesn't seem to feet with jacob photo in the previous episode...lol

Stop making excuses. This is a major continuity error. So much so that it completely pulled me out of the episode and caused me to be unable to suspend my disbelief. It was ridiculous.

I guess I don't see a continuity error or any error. The episode showed charlie as afraid of the water or unable to swim as a boy. But he began to overcome the fear/inability as a boy as well. So I guess the question is, if Charlie really couldn't swim as an adult, what was his flashback supposed to demonstrate?

Stop making excuses. This is a major continuity error. So much so that it completely pulled me out of the episode and caused me to be unable to suspend my disbelief. It was ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but you are just wrong about this. The amount of water-symbolism in Charlie's backstories, especially in this episode, makes it the opposite of a continuity error: an extremely long character development arc that ties in with Charlie's major themes - maturation, choice and redemption.

I don't even see what would be considered the continuity error. As many other posters have said, Charlie only claims that he "doesn't swim," not that he can't. In fact, his fourth "greatest hit" was being taught how to swim by his dad. This is not to say he is a particularly strong swimmer...he is almost certainly exaggerating or outright lying about his swimming prowess to Jack in the scene where he volunteers, something Desmond calls him on when they are in the boat together.

The difference between his reluctance to save Joanna/Boone and his willingness to sacrifice himself to save Claire and Aaron (and maybe everyone else) is the entire point of this episode. It's also interesting to note that these parallels are to the episode "White Rabbit," which has had a much increased symbolism over the last few episodes.

There is no reasonable construction of "I don't swim" in the context in which he used it other than "I can't swim," and to claim otherwise is to engage in a tortured rationalization.

There is no reasonable construction of "I don't swim" in the context in which he used it other than "I can't swim," and to claim otherwise is to engage in a tortured rationalization.

When I first watched the episode I agreed with your premise, but after re-watching the episode and going back through Charlie's "overall arc," it does make a lot of sense. During "White Rabbit," Charlie is still getting high and still trying to hide that fact. Having regrettably experienced similar substance withdrawal earlier in my own life, I can say with some certainty that when "high," emergency situations paralyzed me with fear. Typically, heroin slows down cognitive responses. Let's also remember that like many other addicts Charlie was in an extremely "selfish" place. While he could have recognized that he was in no shape to rescue the swimmers, it's just as likely that he had no desire to swim due to chemically heightened fear and paranoia.

I agree...big difference in can't vs. won't.

Yep, big difference. I am a great swimmer but I don't swim in the ocean. I am actually terrified of swimming in the ocean so I can understand Charlie not wanting to coupled with his heroin addiction. He didn't even know the girl in question and he was in a selfish state at the time.

The difference between his reluctance to save Joanna/Boone and his willingness to sacrifice himself to save Claire and Aaron (and maybe everyone else) is the entire point of this episode. It's also interesting to note that these parallels are to the episode "White Rabbit," which has had a much increased symbolism over the last few episodes.
Excellent post all around, I agree with everything you said. A Charlie plot has hardly gone by without a reference to water and his feelings about it, and him having to do something heroic in water has been set up for 3 seasons.

Thanks to the ever-wonderful pacejunkie and our friend google, here's the answer Javi gave about this question on 2/4/06 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=35710):

Hi Javi,

I hope you don't consider this nitpicking but here goes: Now I know in Fire+Water it was only a dream BUT when Charlie is swimming to save Aaron many people remarked that he had told Jack in White Rabbit "I don't swim" when Joanna was drowning. My questions are:

1. Why did he say "I don't swim" instead of the more common "I can't swim"? Is there a difference?
2. Did the writers forget that he had said this when they had Charlie swimming in the recent episode, or is it supposed to be irrelevant because it is only a dream?
3. Will the fact that Charlie really doesn't (or can't?) swim come up again in the series?

Thanks!

1. clearly.
2. he wasn't a strong enough swimmer to rescue joanna and now, after months on the island has gotten more confident with his skills.
3. i don't think it will be as importat as, say, the hatch or the monster.

thanks!

ja
vi

We haven't seen him swimming in any of those months on the island. The writers easily could have set it up. Instead, we went from "I don't swim" to "I can swim like a fish."

Uh uh. Bad writing. Bad plot development. Bad continuity.

Stop making excuses. This is a major continuity error. So much so that it completely pulled me out of the episode and caused me to be unable to suspend my disbelief. It was ridiculous.

You forgot your smiley! :biggrin:
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There is no reasonable construction of "I don't swim" in the context in which he used it other than "I can't swim," and to claim otherwise is to engage in a tortured rationalization.

I can't tell if you're trolling or just being silly. TPTB made it clear that it was an important distinction between "I can't" and "I don't" in Season 1. You should argue with Damon and Carlton about it if you feel that way.

It's like when Charlie went swimming in 'Fire+Water' to save Aaron. When the situation calls for it, he overcomes his fear and swims.

But that was a dream...

You're mistaken- Charlie don't surf. We think he should, though. ;)

I think there might be even more than his drug withdrawal behind his saying "I don't swim." considering he used to be some kind champion swimmer.
Maybe something happened that turned swimming into some tramatic experience for him?

Stop making excuses. This is a major continuity error. So much so that it completely pulled me out of the episode and caused me to be unable to suspend my disbelief. It was ridiculous.

No excuses are being made in this thread. It sure sounds like you didn't have a good time watching the show.
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You're mistaken- Charlie don't surf. We think he should, though. ;)

Funny! You should change your name to Kilgore.
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Excellent post all around, I agree with everything you said. A Charlie plot has hardly gone by without a reference to water and his feelings about it, and him having to do something heroic in water has been set up for 3 seasons.

Thanks to the ever-wonderful pacejunkie and our friend google, here's the answer Javi gave about this question on 2/4/06 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=35710):

Wow, much as I appreciate Gregg, that is a much better answer than "wait, watch and see!"

I think there might be even more than his drug withdrawal behind his saying "I don't swim." considering he used to be some kind champion swimmer.
Maybe something happened that turned swimming into some tramatic experience for him?

I really doubt he was ever some kind of champion swimmer. He told Jack that in order to convince him to let Charlie go on the mission in the first place.

Charlie was scared to death of the water when he was a child, he even flinched when he was splashed when he was standing on the side of the pool in perfect safety. Just because his father convinced him to jump in that one time and swin, does not mean that his fear instantly just went away. I know people who are scared to death to fly, but they still do it, even though they are still just as terrified the very next time they have to do it.

I really doubt he was ever some kind of champion swimmer. He told Jack that in order to convince him to let Charlie go on the mission in the first place.
I think Juliet would have told Jack if that really had been the case.

For me, it felt like a continuity problem, but LOST seems to get that way from time to time, and I have learned to accept, and even expect it (I almost think the writers do it just to see what the fans will or won't say about it.).

I happen to be a very poor swimmer, and don't seem to notice whether I tell people that I "can't" swim or "don't" swim. But I sure couldn't dive in the ocean with a weight belt, and successfully come up in the moon pool the way Charlie did :rolleyes: . My point being, I wouldn't be in a position to either rescue Joanna in S1 or save the Losties in S3. What would be the point of Charlie saying he doesn't swim in S1? He could have sounded the alarm about Joanna without saying whether or not he is a swimmer, so the writers must have had some reason for inserting the line into the dialogue. Now what that reason is, is beyond me. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the ep.

And good point about Juliet - I hadn't thought about that part. I expected Jack to call Charlie on the swimming thing, and he didn't. But that's a good point that, since the Others "know all" about the Losties, Juliet would likely/possibly know about Charlie's swimming ability. After all, she did know specifics about, for example, Sayid's torture in the past - not just that he had been a torturer.

The whole point of the 'White Rabbit' eppy was to show that while the other Lostees might have been capable of doing things, they were all leaning heavily on Jack. He was their leader, their hero. If there's a problem - go to Jack and he'll fix it. Charlie was just doing what all the other characters were doing in that eppy. Prodding Jack to take charge.

I think it's been clearly established by the childhood FB that Charlie isn't a confident swimmer. F&W he had several nightmares about the ocean dragging Aaron away so he probably has a bit of a phobia. Plus considering he was gonna drown trying to save Claire shows Charlie isn't a strong enough swimmer rescue someone from drowning.

What about this possibility.

When at the pool with his father, a kids voice in the background clearly says "come on Desmond." Perhaps Desmond went back to change the outcome of Charlie jumping in the water. His father promised to catch him, but DIDN'T. He has a look of fear on his face underwater, but comes up excited at his accomplishment. This would explain what seems to be a clear continuity error, so obvios that the writers surely made it on purpose.

Thoughts???

What about this possibility.

When at the pool with his father, a kids voice in the background clearly says "come on Desmond." Perhaps Desmond went back to change the outcome of Charlie jumping in the water. His father promised to catch him, but DIDN'T. He has a look of fear on his face underwater, but comes up excited at his accomplishment. This would explain what seems to be a clear continuity error, so obvios that the writers surely made it on purpose.

Thoughts???

Very interesting. Charlie did seem very sure that his father was going to trick him. Frankly I was surprised when he didn't. The big problem with this theory is how it gets explained to the audience. 99% of the viewers didn't hear that (I didn't until I went back and listened after I read about it here).

And good point about Juliet - I hadn't thought about that part. ... But that's a good point that, since the Others "know all" about the Losties, Juliet would likely/possibly know about Charlie's swimming ability. After all, she did know specifics ...
Thank you!

I expected Jack to call Charlie on the swimming thing, and he didn't.
I guess Jack's - according to Hurley - bad bedside manner includes not really listening to what others say (This is one more thing to preclude him from really being a leader in my opinion.) ... :mad:

Ok to address the continuity error idea...if it was one it would just be too huge an error to ignore and I have to think that the producers are not that stupid. They have even addressed the question of not swimming and not being able to swim.

As an english teacher I have to say that there is a huuuuuuuuge difference between "I don't swim" and "I can't swim". Even my students can see the difference so I don't understand why that's such a big problem. If someone asked me "Do you swim??" I would reply with "well I used to swim a lot but I don't really do it anymore." I am not afraid of swimming in a pool, however in the ocean I am. So I would say "I don't swim" if confronted with the possibility of having to swim in the ocean unless I were presented with saving a person I loved and had to be the "one" to do the swimming.

I think the fact that Jack didn't call Charlie on his comment about being a championship swimmer is very telling. If Charlie told him originally that he doesn't swim, then why didn't Jack say "but Charlie you couldn't rescue Joanna?" He doesn't say that so obviously Jack isn't questioning Charlie's ability to swim - therefore why are we??

Yes, Desmond had visions of Charlie drowning in the ocean but if you recall Joanna was a professional diver and she drowned in the ocean. Anyone can drown in the ocean - it's a very dangerous thing to do when you don't know the currents etc. The second vision Des has is Charlie being bashed on the rocks after slipping and falling in. If you look at the scene where he was supposed to fall, it's very likely no one could swim there because of the waves. Those waves would bash into the rocks no matter how good you were.

As for the flashback scene with Dad, I thought Charlie was going to jump and Dad would stand back and laugh as he spluttered in the water. I do think that it shows a fear of water in Charlie and perhaps to overcome that he did join the swim team. That doesn't mean that the fear is gone and there's a huge difference between swimming laps in a pool and going out into the ocean.

If it's a continuity error, who cares? The episode was awesome. Notice Charlie said "I don't swim" not "I can't swim."

Someones drowning, you don't go in to save them and when questioned say, "I don't swim" means.........I DON'T SWIM!:biggrin:

I was wondering about this comment as well, I think he was just scared of the water along with being high.

Plus that adds to the risk Charlie was willing to go through in order to save Claire and Aaron.

I was wondering about this comment as well, I think he was just scared of the water along with being high.

I agree with all the people who say that Charlie's comment of "I don't swim" meant I'm scared or high or whatever reason.

Another thing to remember is that when Charlie made that comment he seemed very nervous and hesitating, as if he were lying. I noticed that at the time and wondered why he felt he had to give a reason for not rushing to Joanne's rescue. He says it twice (or more - don't remember) but it seemed a case of protesting too much.

There were plenty of other people around who were probably better swimmers, although Boone had trouble himself. So Charlie's reluctance was justified, but why did he feel the need to explain himself several times? It was as if he were hiding something.

Also, there is a big difference between being a swimmer and lifesaving, especially in the sea with someone who might be thrashing around. You need to be an extra good swimmer and strong as well, like Jack. Charlie is neither big nor strong, so he would have had trouble in any case. No doubt he was aware of this.

But really NOT a continuity mistake - no way!

Thanks for bringing this topic up. I have been confused about Charlie's swimming and thought he said that he could not swim in "White Rabbit" but then swam in "Fire + Water" as a way to reveal that what we were seeing was only a dream.

From "White Rabbit", Charlie said:Jack! Jack! Jack! Hey Jack! Someone's out there. You've gotta... the current's... there's someone out there, look. I woke up and she's... I don't swim. I don't swim.

Now I think Charlie may have some terrible memory related to swimming (maybe his parents died or something), and the dream swimming to save Aaron in "Fire + Water" and now the real swimming down to the underwater hatch show how brave he is being - overcoming his greatest fear (perhaps) to save the ones he loves.

At the very least, Charlie is afraid of the water. He was pretty old when he first learned to swim with his father, and maybe he just never became very good at it. He was probably lying about being a champion swimmer and able to hold he breath etc, but just figures "it doesn't matter" (as he told Desmond) because Desmond's premonition fortells what will happen.

I think people who question the continuity are just emotionally detached from the situation in general. I agree with what people have said about Charlie's reluctance to swim in White Rabbit, that he can swim but is scared. I don't think it was because he was high though.

I am a decent swimmer, can hold my breath underwater for what i think is a long time, but i'm afraid of swimming in the ocean, it's a combination of a fear or drowning, a fear of being swept away by the tides, and a fear of jellyfish (haha). If presented with Charlie's situation in White Rabbit, when other (and most likely very capable swimmers) are around, i would hesitate. But in Fire + Water, the victim is Aaron, who Charlie is emotionally attached too, no one is around in his dream, so he HAS to jump in.

Now if i were presented with Charlie's situation, but not in dream form lol, i would jump in no questions asked, i'd hate myself for the rest of my life if i didn't, it makes it even worse if it's someone you know or love. Now in Greatest Hits with Charlie's situation, the victim is all of the islanders, but most importantly - Claire and the baby. There's obviously a big reason Claire was mentioned, Charlie was hesitant at first but then he says (i'm paraphrasing here) "You sure it was Claire you saw get in the helicopter?". Desmond says yes and this makes up Charlie's mind. clearly he'll do anything for Claire.

Why are people so quick to jump on the writers and say its a continuinty error, etc? As many have said before me, I think it's more to do with what he was going through then, and the circumstances which call for it now...

I am a decent swimmer, can hold my breath underwater for what i think is a long time, but i'm afraid of swimming in the ocean, it's a combination of a fear or drowning, a fear of being swept away by the tides, and a fear of jellyfish (haha).

I feel the same way except I can't hold my breath for that long but the rest...oh and other fish and sharks etc.

I get tired of hearing the continuity error argument as well because usually a continuity error would mean something small like a glass in one place in one shot and somewhere else in another or different hairstyles etc. This kind of error would just be huge to the whole storyline and would indicate that the writers are idiots which obviously they are not. They obviously have not forgotten what they said in the first eps and when questioned they have said "there's a difference between I don't swim and I can't swim" so I don't understand why this is still under debate. Ah well...just my two cents. :biggrin:

I think the writers of "Lost" are just to darn good to have such a recurance in errors. Even after it's been pointed out, it's obviously not a mistake.

I think the writers of "Lost" are just to darn good to have such a recurance in errors. Even after it's been pointed out, it's obviously not a mistake.

I'm with you on this one.

I don't swim. Why not? Because I can't ;) or because I am afraid to or because it's too much effort or???

I know there is a big difference between "I don't" and "I can't". However when you are dealing with the life and death issue of watching a fellow castaway drown it becomes logical and reasonable to assume that saying "I don't swim" probably means I can't swim or possibly means I can't swim well enough to go in the ocean and help. Neither of those fits a former junior champion. A meaning of "I am too incapacitated, drug soaked and/or scared"seems rather far down the possible list of meanings to me. Guess he should have said I have eaten within the last half hour so it isn't safe for me to swim right now.:biggrin:

If I needed to be taken to the ER and asked a neighbor to drive me there - I would assume a reply of I don't drive would mean can't drive not I'm too scared to drive or too high to drive or too tired to drive etc. If that neighbor later told me stories about having driven race cars in competiton and being a junior champion I would be kinda bewildered - but then I usually am anyway:confused:

I didn't really know what to think about this until I read Javi's answers. I am now convinced that Pitman is correct.

I don't swim. Why not? Because I can't ;) or because I am afraid to or because it's too much effort or???

I know there is a big difference between "I don't" and "I can't". However when you are dealing with the life and death issue of watching a fellow castaway drown it becomes logical and reasonable to assume that saying "I don't swim" probably means I can't swim or possibly means I can't swim well enough to go in the ocean and help. Neither of those fits a former junior champion. A meaning of "I am too incapacitated, drug soaked and/or scared"seems rather far down the possible list of meanings to me. Guess he should have said I have eaten within the last half hour so it isn't safe for me to swim right now.:biggrin:

If I needed to be taken to the ER and asked a neighbor to drive me there - I would assume a reply of I don't drive would mean can't drive not I'm too scared to drive or too high to drive or too tired to drive etc. If that neighbor later told me stories about having driven race cars in competiton and being a junior champion I would be kinda bewildered - but then I usually am anyway:confused:
Very well put. This is why I'm no longer willing to entertain the possibility that Joanna's drowning was real.

I really don't think that the "I don't swim" would be that unbelievable of an answer if he was high. I mean if you were high and in Charlie's place I know that most people wouldn't say I can't jump in the water to try to save her I'm high as a kite! That'd be a pretty lame answer if he just didn't like to swim but I doubt that there was something intentional in her drowning. Even then he was a drug addict people who are addicts aren't in the greatest state of mind so it's really not that hard to believe that he would be selfish enough to say, "I don't swim." The Charlie from then is not the same Charlie as there is now. Everyone was doing their own thing and before they knew it she had been taken out by the current.

Gregg answered my question related to this topic. I thought you all might be interested.
Ok, question time. There were SO many references in Greatest Hits to storylines and tidbits from season 1. I'm particularly interested in:

-Charlie's fear of swimming and his water storylines, in general
-The underwater station (many have thought that drowned swimmer Joanna went somewhere under the ocean and never actually died)

I always feel that these things were planned far, far in advance, ie the writers knew Charlie would one day play the water-hero, and therefore he had to be shown to be afraid of it early on. Now that these storylines have aired, could you shed some light on how early on they were conceived?

Thanks,
Jenny

P.S. Still waiting on the big reveal on the hairbrushes!

Yes, those elements were set up in the first season with hopes of pay-offs down the line. Damon, Carlton and the other writers did think of these things to help create the characters because they do give you story arcs you can pursue in future episodes. Kind of cool, huh? (And of course the hairbrushes come from the island Unending Tarp store. They there by the check out stations. See them?)

I know there is a big difference between "I don't" and "I can't". However when you are dealing with the life and death issue of watching a fellow castaway drown it becomes logical and reasonable to assume that saying "I don't swim" probably means I can't swim or possibly means I can't swim well enough to go in the ocean and help. Neither of those fits a former junior champion. A meaning of "I am too incapacitated, drug soaked and/or scared"seems rather far down the possible list of meanings to me. Guess he should have said I have eaten within the last half hour so it isn't safe for me to swim right now.

Not necessarily, like I said I swim very well but I'm terrified of swimming in the ocean. If there were other strong people around I would probably react the same way. Obviously Boone made the mistake of thinking he was a strong enough swimmer and wasn't. There is no point in having two drowning people as we saw...the reason Joanna drowned was because Boone ended up needing to be saved as well. We don't know if Charlie was a champion swimmer, I highly doubt it. I think that comment was meant to convince the others to let him go on the mission.

I think this has been answered by the writers and Gregg, thanks for that jennylee. :biggrin:

We haven't seen him swimming in any of those months on the island. The writers easily could have set it up. Instead, we went from "I don't swim" to "I can swim like a fish."

Uh uh. Bad writing. Bad plot development. Bad continuity.

Hmm, this looks like a good opportunity to learn how to /quote properly. Hope it works.

C'mon, how is this a big deal? The dude didnt want to swim when he was jonesing for heroine. Now Claire and Aaron are at risk and he believes he's going to die anyways...so it's time to step up and face his fears and become ...Aqua-Man. Can you blame him? I cant. It's called character growth...not a "continuity error."

Hmm, this looks like a good opportunity to learn how to /quote properly. Hope it works.

C'mon, how is this a big deal? The dude didnt want to swim when he was jonesing for heroine. Now Claire and Aaron are at risk and he believes he's going to die anyways...so it's time to step up and face his fears and become ...Aqua-Man. Can you blame him? I cant. It's called character growth...not a "continuity error."

I'm with you on that one.

I'm with you on that one.

Me too. Just because something is not 100% consistent with what happened in an earlier epi it doesn't necessarily mean it was a mistake, it just means that things have changed. I think that is really part of the idea of this show, to watch as these people are changed by the things that happen on the island.