South Shore
05-17-2007, 12:03 AM
How symbolic was that?!?
I loved this, as well as our new White Rabbit Dharma logo. Way cool.
I loved this, as well as our new White Rabbit Dharma logo. Way cool.
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View Full Version : Alex slaughtering the White Rabbit South Shore 05-17-2007, 12:03 AM How symbolic was that?!? I loved this, as well as our new White Rabbit Dharma logo. Way cool. LostLaura 05-17-2007, 12:06 AM Lots of Alice in Wonderland references on this show, not just this episode. Also interesting with what we know about Ben and his white rabbit and that history. PapaThor 05-17-2007, 12:12 AM I'm surprised Ben didn't say something to Alex about her skinning his rabbit. "Hey, what are you doing to Mr. Bunny?" or Alex saying, "Mr. Bunny was a baaaaaad litto wibbit." verily 05-17-2007, 12:13 AM I love how rebellious Alex is. It was both really sweet and really malicious that she was chopping up a white rabbit (so well associated with her "father") for her boyfriend while talking to Ben. Cardielost 05-17-2007, 12:21 AM I thought that was great, too, perfect symbolism. Ben pretended not to notice. Last week when he sent his bunny through the sonic fence to see if it was safe, that was Ben all over. He really loved that rabbit, but in the end everyone's expendable if they can help him be king of the island instead of a scared. neglected little boy. Cardie jennylee27 05-17-2007, 12:21 AM I loved this, as well as our new White Rabbit Dharma logo. Way cool.New logo? Did I miss it? Was it in the Looking Glass? The rabbit connecting to the Alice theme is a great connection. I totally missed it. So, if we try to carry the metaphor, the White Rabbit is what led Alice down the rabbit whole and into Wonderland, right? Is Ben the white rabbit Alex will no longer follow? Wow, Alex and Alice sure do sound alike... silveranswer 05-17-2007, 12:27 AM That's awesome- and cool that Alex is suspicious that Ben is not her Daddy1 Thanks, Sayid! South Shore 05-17-2007, 12:29 AM New logo? Did I miss it? Was it in the Looking Glass? There WAS a new logo - a really cool one from our quick glimpse. It was in the upper right corner of the diagram Sayid had. I also think we saw it inside the Looking Glass hatch. It's a filled outline of a white rabbit. And low and behold, DarkUFO has the screenshot: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/ jennylee27 05-17-2007, 12:47 AM Cool, but I can't make it out. It looks like a figure skate to me. lol. Melissa 05-17-2007, 12:53 AM I thought it was interesting how she was killing the rabbit for her boyfriend and her dad saw it. He looked disgusted. urbandruid 05-17-2007, 12:59 AM The rodent revolution is here! lostmio 05-17-2007, 01:04 AM I love how rebellious Alex is. It was both really sweet and really malicious that she was chopping up a white rabbit (so well associated with her "father") for her boyfriend while talking to Ben. Loved it! and the kiss with Carl... until that moment I had never seen their chemistry. Alex rocks. 50 years ago (yes, I'm older than dirt), she was who I wanted to be. We lived in a rural area with lots of rocks and trees and I play-acted her every spare minute. Jedierica 05-17-2007, 01:08 AM The rodent revolution is here! Rabbits are not rodents they are Lagamorph's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euarchontoglires Lots of white rabbit stuff this season. I am sure Ben was too stressed to even address the fact that Alex killed his pet. I am up too late as usual on wed. South Park is featuring Stan's dad in a club where they dress up at rabbits. sickotriz 05-17-2007, 01:24 AM Could be foreshadowing who will eventually kill Ben (although if it ever happens, I will be sad to see him go... great character, no matter how evil he is!). Only time will tell. briar910 05-17-2007, 03:38 AM A white rabbit dharma logo! That is too cool! Why is there a hole/spot in the rabbit's neck? Guinevere 05-17-2007, 03:44 AM I thought it and the new logo were kickin'! She impresses me more and more every week. One smart cookie, our Alex is! ;) OffDmanifest 05-17-2007, 04:20 AM Alex and the rabbit caught my attention too. It would be great if it was a shadowing of Alex possibly killing Ben, "her father". Thanks to a previous poster for that idea. I like it! Hmmm---killing father's is something that happens a lot in this show! Fiver 05-17-2007, 04:57 AM I wonder if the bunny is actually the same one Ben had as a pet as a child. Hey, if Joop can live to be 103, why not a rabbit? Also, didn't Carl ask if she brought "Bunny" or "Rabbit" or something? I had the impression he meant did you bring my pet, not did you bring dinner - but maybe I'm wrong. Flotsam 05-17-2007, 05:21 AM I have a copy of the annotated "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Lookingglass and What Alice Found There". There's a note from Lewis Carroll that the White Rabbit was meant to be viewed as nervous and old, while Alice was the exact opposite: self-assured and young. Ben is certainly nervous and (comparatively) old, while Alex is self-assured and young. Probably not intended by the writers of the show, but just an observation. The idea of Alice skinning the White Rabbit is sort of hilarious. Zulu 05-17-2007, 05:27 AM Why is there a hole/spot in the rabbit's neck? I noticed that too. Seems a little too conspicuous to be nothing. Sadly though, I have no idea what it could mean. misterwhitechristmas 05-17-2007, 05:50 AM A white rabbit dharma logo! That is too cool! Why is there a hole/spot in the rabbit's neck? I think the hole in the rabbit's neck is actually a hole in the schematic paper, so it can go into a three-ring binder. The same logo on the actual Looking Glass station doesn't seem to have that hole/black circle. -calypso- 05-17-2007, 06:27 AM I don't know what to think about that scene except that at that moment she seems to be the one who have blood on her hands...:rolleyes: RodimusBen 05-17-2007, 07:21 AM That hatch logo is totally, totally sweet. Damian254 05-17-2007, 07:44 AM I loved the shot in this episode of Alex's bloody hand reaching and taking the gun from Ben. Foreshadowing maybe ... nonnyd 05-17-2007, 07:50 AM Wasn't Alex the name of the psycho woman who boiled the rabbit in Fatal Attraction? -calypso- 05-17-2007, 07:52 AM Wasn't Alex the name of the psycho woman who boiled the rabbit in Fatal Attraction? Yes you're right! lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Attraction wanders01 05-17-2007, 08:03 AM Rabbits are not rodents they are Lagamorph's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euarchontoglires Lots of white rabbit stuff this season. I am sure Ben was too stressed to even address the fact that Alex killed his pet. I am up too late as usual on wed. South Park is featuring Stan's dad in a club where they dress up at rabbits. Tell that to any cats.:biggrin: I don't think they'll care. (At least the ones I've seen) I think in this case it was just making a point not stating fact. thedaveeyres 05-17-2007, 08:27 AM Also interesting that the others are shown killing/skinning their own food, as opposed to getting it out of a fridge. As per Locke and Ben's discussion a couple of ep's ago. I'm sure Locke would approve! bubblyone 05-17-2007, 09:24 AM I don't know what to think about that scene except that at that moment she seems to be the one who have blood on her hands...:rolleyes: except when she ran to Karl, by the time she got there her hands were clean...I think she has magic cleaning fingers...LOL lost_dude 05-17-2007, 09:30 AM I'm with calypso ... When I saw the scene last night, the first thing I thought was that the writers were symbolically saying Alex has blood on her hands. They purposefully showed her bloody hands accepting the gun back from Ben. So ... she indirectly was responsible for what happened to Locke?? But the whole Alice and White Rabbit thing .... cool. ame en peine 05-17-2007, 09:51 AM My local tv station aired a commercial which cut this scene (grrrrr......) But it sounds like a good one, filled with all sorts of symbolism. The Alice in Wonderland "rabbit hole" one is all over the place: Dharma logo: It's a rabbit, but it looks like a rabbit with a hole in it! The Looking Glass Hatch is their "rabbit hole" to the other side, and the logo is a literal symbol of that with a hole-y rabbit. Nice. Alex murdering the rabbit: Not only a very defiant daughter move, but by Alex sending Karl to warn the Losties, she is setting up the ultimate "murder the rabbit" move. These actions will hopefully culminate with the Looking Glass station being disabled. Thus, the "rabbit" (looking glass hatch) is "murdered" (disabled, allowing rescue) piscescat 05-17-2007, 09:56 AM I actually tried to see if the #8 was on the back of the rabbit Alex was prepping for dinner. It was a great scene! lisahas2cats 05-17-2007, 10:59 AM Also, "the rabbit died" is an old euphamism for a woman being pregnant. Which may or may not tie in with Alex specifically, but with all the pregnancy fixation on the island, I thought it was an interesting bit of symbolism. Eight 05-17-2007, 11:00 AM That's awesome! I totally missed the new logo -- the web tangles even further. One thing of interest that I noted looking at the pictures -- Dharma called it the "Looking Glass Hatch" instead of station???? Curious. I'd think they'd call it a station wouldn't you? Unless something is hatched inside . . . South Shore 05-17-2007, 11:05 AM One thing of interest that I noted looking at the pictures -- Dharma called it the "Looking Glass Hatch" instead of station???? Curious. I'd think they'd call it a station wouldn't you? Unless something is hatched inside . . . That's an interesting point . . . they were all stations - 'hatch' was a term our Losties started using. Candle called them stations. Perhaps the Looking Glass hatch should have been the Looking Glass hutch (for rabbits)? :rolleyes: nextone 05-17-2007, 11:12 AM I would think that there would be lots of white rabbits on the island, considering that the DI would have brought them to the island to experiment on, once let loose, they should multiply like bunnies, I would guess that all or nearly all of the rabbits on the island are "lab bunnies" (albino), so its possibly not a huge plot thing, just attention to detail by TPTB. Kate731 05-17-2007, 11:12 AM The white rabbit just keeps showing up. I wish I knew the "Alice in Wonderland" story better so I could pick up on all these references people are alluding to. Also, it was great that she did it in front of Ben. She is so defiant of him, and good for her for helping the Losties. The only question is why she and Karl (and possibly Others?) so easily betray Ben. I think Alex is obviously the boldest about it, being the "boss's daughter" she thinks she can get away with it. Cardielost 05-17-2007, 11:21 AM Ben's becoming ill was an omen to his followers that he was out of sync with the island, and being one with the island is obviously what made the original hostiles choose him as their leader. He's also getting pretty obviously nuts these last few episodes; people were bound to notice. Even if Ben survives this season, I think Alex will probably destroy him eventually. If they make us wait another eight months for the Danielle/Alex reunion, though, I'm going to tear my hair out. Cardie Jack Sawyer 05-17-2007, 11:29 AM If Ben does die one day, I much rather it be at the hand of one of the Losties than Alex...but thats just me. jennylee27 05-17-2007, 11:38 AM I agree Cardie, their reunion is something I am dying to have happen!! Interesting ideas about Alex being the one to kill her father. She is so young, though, I wish she could remain murder-free. But yes, the blood on the hands allusion is pretty strong. Even if she doesn't kill him, she'll be a leader in the revolt against him. She's about to stop following this white rabbit down any more rabbit holes. South Shore 05-17-2007, 11:40 AM If Ben does die one day, I much rather it be at the hand of one of the Losties than Alex...but thats just me. I think it would be far more fitting and satisfying to see Alex someday be the cause of Ben's demise. Perhaps after a reunion with Danielle? I really hope that Season 4 fleshes out Danielle's story a bit more - flashbacks and everything. workingmom 05-17-2007, 11:56 AM I'm with calypso ... When I saw the scene last night, the first thing I thought was that the writers were symbolically saying Alex has blood on her hands. They purposefully showed her bloody hands accepting the gun back from Ben. So ... she indirectly was responsible for what happened to Locke?? But the whole Alice and White Rabbit thing .... cool. Alex gave Locke a gun, but Ben had his own gun with which he shot Locke. All the symbolism mentioned here is just fabulous. I love the defiant daughter casually gutting her "father's" favorite animal he likes to torture. Let's hope we get a Danielle/Alex moment next week - Alex is finally open to it! heru 05-17-2007, 11:58 AM I'm with calypso ... When I saw the scene last night, the first thing I thought was that the writers were symbolically saying Alex has blood on her hands. They purposefully showed her bloody hands accepting the gun back from Ben. So ... she indirectly was responsible for what happened to Locke?? But the whole Alice and White Rabbit thing .... cool. I'm not sure this is true? I thought that Alex gave Locke her gun because Ben had a gun of his own. I'll have to review the video again, but I think Locke was reaching for his weapon, once Ben made the comment about being smarter than Locke because he avoided ended up in that grave. Which stand to reason Locke is still in that pit with a gun and dying. Can you say Euthanasia? Dezdmona 05-17-2007, 12:10 PM Ben's becoming ill was an omen to his followers that he was out of sync with the island, and being one with the island is obviously what made the original hostiles choose him as their leader. He's also getting pretty obviously nuts these last few episodes; people were bound to notice. Even if Ben survives this season, I think Alex will probably destroy him eventually. I agree...I think the blood on Alex's hands was foreshadowing that rather than anything to do with Locke. (She didn't shoot Locke, Ben did...he bears responsibility for that. ;) ) ScottNotSteve 05-17-2007, 12:27 PM So THAT's where the blood on Alex's hands came from...I totally missed that it was a rabbit. The gun hand-off was very telling (what a fake "tease" from last week's preview that turned out to be!) I posted last week that I thought Alex may be questioning whether Ben is actually her father. It's clear now that she knows more than Ben probably realizes... Excellent and insightful thread, folks. Eight 05-17-2007, 01:08 PM Lyrics to Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small, And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all. Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall. And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall, Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar Has given you the call. Call Alice When she was just small. When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low. Go ask Alice I think she'll know. When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead, And the White Knight is talking backwards And the Red Queen's "off with her head!" Remember what the dormouse said: "Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head" workingmom 05-17-2007, 01:39 PM Lyrics to Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small, And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all. Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall. And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall, Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar Has given you the call. Call Alice When she was just small. When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low. Go ask Alice I think she'll know. When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead, And the White Knight is talking backwards And the Red Queen's "off with her head!" Remember what the dormouse said: "Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head" Did you type that from memory? I could have. :biggrin: South Shore 05-17-2007, 01:45 PM Did you type that from memory? I could have. :biggrin: Me too! This is my one and ONLY karaoke song. I usually can clear the room. Dmcquickly 05-17-2007, 01:47 PM I have a copy of the annotated "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Lookingglass and What Alice Found There". There's a note from Lewis Carroll that the White Rabbit was meant to be viewed as nervous and old, while Alice was the exact opposite: self-assured and young. Ben is certainly nervous and (comparatively) old, while Alex is self-assured and young. Probably not intended by the writers of the show, but just an observation. The idea of Alice skinning the White Rabbit is sort of hilarious. This is why I'm completely in favor of the new 16-episode arrangement over the next few seasons. The extra time would, one hopes, give the writers more time to think about these connections and drop them into the stories. If there is a relavence to these allusions, it'd make the storytelling even that much richer. Herk 05-17-2007, 02:06 PM I'm not sure this is true? I thought that Alex gave Locke her gun because Ben had a gun of his own. I'll have to review the video again, but I think Locke was reaching for his weapon, once Ben made the comment about being smarter than Locke because he avoided ended up in that grave. Which stand to reason Locke is still in that pit with a gun and dying. Can you say Euthanasia? I thought he dropped the gun as he fell and Ben picked it up. I could be wrong. EvanAgee 05-17-2007, 02:09 PM I don't see why everyone is assuming the rabbit she was butchering was the same one that Ben had. We've seen in a previous episode that there were multiple rabbits, presumably a food supply of sorts for the others. Why is it such a big deal that this time we actually get to see one of them preparing dinner? It was meant to be a very "behind the scenes" shot, so it makes sense that we'd see them doing everyday sorts of things. South Shore 05-17-2007, 02:12 PM I don't see why everyone is assuming the rabbit she was butchering was the same one that Ben had. We've seen in a previous episode that there were multiple rabbits, presumably a food supply of sorts for the others. Why is it such a big deal that this time we actually get to see one of them preparing dinner? It was meant to be a very "behind the scenes" shot, so it makes sense that we'd see them doing everyday sorts of things. Well, I'm not assuming it's the SAME rabbit. It's just symbolic, that's all. MPmom 05-17-2007, 03:54 PM Back in the old days, before home pregnancy tests, rabbits were used to find out if a woman was pregnant. The term "the rabbit died" signified a positive outcome. A hormone in the urine of a pregnant woman, injected into a female rabbit would cause bulging masses in the rabbits ovaries. The rabbit had to be cut open to find out the results, (and incidentally, died whether the woman was pregnant or not.) But the phrase, "the rabbit died" means pregnancy for the woman. This may not tie directly to this scene with Alex killing the white rabbit, but with all the Others fertility problems, and the seemingly neverending supply of rabbits, I wonder if they still use this outdated and inhumane mode of testing. Also, speaking of rabbits....remember the rabbits foot keychain to the Dharma van? I guess that rabbits foot wasn't so lucky for ol' Roger. Surferdervish 05-17-2007, 04:52 PM Alex gave Locke a gun, but Ben had his own gun with which he shot Locke. Nope. Ben used the gun Alex gave Locke to shoot Locke--that was apparent from their exchange over the body of the rabbit (and didn't Alex look guilt-stricken!). Also, there is a screen shot floating around somewhere (an outtake, because it's an angle not used in the show) of the moment Ben shoots Locke, and Locke is holding a knife, not a gun. At some point, Ben got Locke's gun. Kevonski 05-17-2007, 05:05 PM Amazing so many people think the only rabbit on the island is Ben's. They tend to breed like rabbits, as the pun goes... South Shore 05-17-2007, 05:22 PM Amazing so many people think the only rabbit on the island is Ben's. They tend to breed like rabbits, as the pun goes... Again, I'm not gathering that many actually think that this is THE white rabbit. The speculation of the implications of 'what if it were' are compelling, but I'm not reading that assertion. It was A white rabbit, which are highly symbolic now in the Lost mythology. hiccup 05-17-2007, 05:35 PM I loved this scene...Alex's disgusted look at Ben; her bloodied hand taking the gun, against the stark contrast of white rabbit fur...Then the sudden realization on her face, and her jungle bolt. Loved it. Something tells me this girlie may be Ben's undoing, in the end. I would find that quite poetic. Cheers-- *hiccup* see kate run 05-17-2007, 09:27 PM I decided to rewatch the show again today and as alot of you probably already know there are alot of references pertaining to Alice In Wonderland. This last episode referenced The Looking Glass, which is also the second book to Alice In Wonderland. Wikepedia described it as:Whereas the first book has the deck of cards as a theme, this book is loosely based on a game of chess, played on a giant chessboard with fields for squares. Most main characters met in the story are represented by a chess piece, with Alice herself being a pawn. However, the chess game described cannot be carried out legally due to a move where white doesn't move out of check (a list of moves is included - note that a young child might make this error due to inexperience). The looking-glass world is divided into sections by brooks, with the crossing of each brook usually signifying a notable change in the scene and action of the story: the brooks represent the divisions between squares on the chessboard, and Alice crossing them signifies the advancing of her piece one square. The sequence of moves (white and red) is not always followed, however, which goes along with the book's mirror image reversal theme as noted by mathematician and author Martin Gardner. Knowing this information, as I was rewatching the show, I noticed just as Ben had his small confrontation with Alex and her skinning the White Rabbit (another connection to Alice), Ben had called out to Price (who was playing Chess with another man). This too me was a very subtle connection(since I didn't catch it in my first viewing). The more i think about it, the more I wonder if Alex could actually be Alice ? After she heard Ben tell Price to go to the Losties camp (to take all the women and kill the men), she bolted out of there to find Karl. The first thing that comes out of Karls mouth was " I thought you were bringing rabbit ". I guess just a play on words but interesting to say the least. :rolleyes: Fiver 05-18-2007, 01:41 PM The white rabbit just keeps showing up. I wish I knew the "Alice in Wonderland" story better so I could pick up on all these references people are alluding to. Also, it was great that she did it in front of Ben. She is so defiant of him, and good for her for helping the Losties. The only question is why she and Karl (and possibly Others?) so easily betray Ben. I think Alex is obviously the boldest about it, being the "boss's daughter" she thinks she can get away with it. I haven't read the Looking Glass, so maybe someone else can speak to that, but I just finished reading Alice with my daughter. The white rabbit seems most significant for leading Alice into the altered universe. In one case, he mistook Alice for someone named Mary Jane and sent her to his house to get his gloves and she ended up getting stuck there and being attacked. I'd say leading her "down the rabbit hole" in the first place was the most important thing, though. DeeEast 05-18-2007, 02:38 PM Back in the old days, before home pregnancy tests, rabbits were used to find out if a woman was pregnant. The term "the rabbit died" signified a positive outcome. A hormone in the urine of a pregnant woman, injected into a female rabbit would cause bulging masses in the rabbits ovaries. The rabbit had to be cut open to find out the results, (and incidentally, died whether the woman was pregnant or not.) But the phrase, "the rabbit died" means pregnancy for the woman. This may not tie directly to this scene with Alex killing the white rabbit, but with all the Others fertility problems, and the seemingly neverending supply of rabbits, I wonder if they still use this outdated and inhumane mode of testing. Also, speaking of rabbits....remember the rabbits foot keychain to the Dharma van? I guess that rabbits foot wasn't so lucky for ol' Roger. Along those same lines, does anybody else suspect that Alex could be pregnant? Either that or her "killing the rabbit" was a foreshadowing of her getting pregnant by her boyfriend? Sloaf 05-18-2007, 03:14 PM A preggo Alex? That would be a cool twist! ruby-red-slippers 05-18-2007, 09:02 PM Could be Karl and Alex are the next "Adam and Eve" to help procreate the island if she is cured from the pregnancy death. We think Karl is special - his "gift" hasn't been revealed yet and Alex, hmmmmm..... what is she going to provide to the island??? jhjenn 05-19-2007, 08:13 PM That doesn't look like the first rabbit she has skinned. thereisnospoon 05-19-2007, 09:01 PM Wasn't Alex the name of the psycho woman who boiled the rabbit in Fatal Attraction?Not only that, but Fatal Attraction was directed by Adrian Lyne, who also directed... (wait for it)... 'Jacob's Ladder'! AND as if that weren't enough, there is an actor in the cast named "J.J." and the production designer was a guy by the name of "Mel Bourne", which is in Australia! It's Not Sydney, but it's close enough! I wonder what it all means?! (he says sarcastically)... kitdavis 05-20-2007, 03:11 AM Here's a thought. Ben said they hadn't finished testing "Austen's" sample. Yet they're wandering around the island in pretty primitive conditions at this point. Might it be that the rabbit was the test? And that Alex was killing it to determine the outcome? That would make sense of her then giving the meat to Karl. The others would just think she was disposing of the carcase, not blatantly stealing the dinner meat. Zoriah 05-20-2007, 03:51 AM Oh, hey interesting point. I forgot that they explained this on MASH one time. That you can find out if someone's pregnant by using a rabbit. I'm hazy on the details though. But I do recall that you have to dissect the poor animal. Radar's rabbit was used to see if Major Houlihan was pregnant, but he convinced Hawk-eye and BJ to operate on it and take out the ovaries instead. Anyone recall how it was done? -calypso- 05-20-2007, 05:24 AM Not only that, but Fatal Attraction was directed by Adrian Lyne, who also directed... (wait for it)... 'Jacob's Ladder'! AND as if that weren't enough, there is an actor in the cast named "J.J." and the production designer was a guy by the name of "Mel Bourne", which is in Australia! It's Not Sydney, but it's close enough! I wonder what it all means?! (he says sarcastically)... And it become more and more interesting if you read the summary on wikipedia: The film opens on October 6, 1971. Jacob Singer (Tim Robbins) is a U.S. Air Cavalry soldier in the [Mekong Delta, Vietnam. Helicopters pass overhead, carrying supplies for what appears to be preparation for a big Viet Cong offensive. Without any warning, Jacob's unit comes under fire. The soldiers try to take cover, but begin to exhibit strange behavior for no apparent reason. Jacob tries to escape the unexplained insanity, only to be bayonetted by an unseen enemy. The film shifts between Vietnam, to Jacob's memories of his son Gabriel (Macaulay Culkin, uncredited) and former wife Sarah (Patricia Kalember), to his present relationship with a woman named Jezzie (Elizabeth Peņa) in New York. During this time, Jacob faces several threats to his life and has severe hallucinatory experiences. It is revealed that his son Gabriel was hit by a car and killed before Jacob went to Vietnam. Jacob's friend and chiropractor Louis (Danny Aiello) states the main thematic point of the film: in effect, hell is really purgatory, and those who are ready to let go of their lives do not find the experience 'hellish'. As the hallucinations become increasingly bizarre, Jacob learns about chemical experiments performed on U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. He is approached by a man named Michael Newman (Matt Craven), who claims to have been a chemist working with the Army's chemical warfare division in Saigon. He worked on creating a drug that increased aggression in soldiers. Tests of the drug (code-named "the ladder" in reference to the effect) were first given to monkeys and then to a group of enemy POWs, with gruesome results. Later the ladder was given to Jacob's unit, through the platoons' C-rations. However, instead of targeting the enemy, the men in Jacob's battalion attacked each other indiscriminately. We finally learn that Jacob never made it out of Vietnam; the entire series of experiences turns out to have been a dying hallucination. Jacob's experiences appear to have been a form of purgation in which he releases himself from his earthly attachments, finally joining his dead son Gabriel to ascend a staircase toward a bright light. At the end of the film, a message states that the U.S. Army allegedly experimented with an hallucinogenic drug called BZ, but the Pentagon denies it. Because all of the movie's events are a dying hallucination related by an unreliable narrator, the film's plot is considered a variation on Ambrose Bierce's 1886 short story An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, which was made into a short film in 1961 and later popularized as a 1964 episode of the television show, The Twilight Zone. here's the official trailer of Jacob's ladder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTJJzVdhw54&mode=related&search= John Burger 05-20-2007, 08:00 AM If you search my posts you find I have been telling people they have been pointing us back to the "white rabbit" episode with Jack for a while now. Its daddy time in the finale Herk 05-26-2007, 11:00 AM Well, I'm not assuming it's the SAME rabbit. It's just symbolic, that's all. Exactly. Fiver 05-27-2007, 05:03 PM Oops - wrong thread. :biggrin: Dellamona 05-30-2007, 12:26 PM I thought that was great, too, perfect symbolism. Ben pretended not to notice. Last week when he sent his bunny through the sonic fence to see if it was safe, that was Ben all over. He really loved that rabbit, but in the end everyone's expendable if they can help him be king of the island instead of a scared. neglected little boy. Cardie Thats exactly why I love Ben :) I loved the symbolism of the white rabbit and with them to do with Ben. Just lovely :) Isn't it weird how the 'bad' animals are white (polar bears, sharks, rabbit) and the good ones are black (horse, boar) Della lostinlaf 06-14-2007, 11:39 AM Yeah, I think this scene will go down as one of my all time favorites. Of course, I love any scene with Benjamin Linus in it, and the way he interacted with Alex was priceless. Alex was tearin' up that white rabbit! I loved it when he came hobbling in on his cane and trying to ignore her, then turning abruptly when she called to him. I think he was hurt and angry over her bold-faced betrayal of him, but he's had it coming to him for quite some time. And what he implied when he handed her the gun, "Here's your gun back." That was so great! The looks that flew between them spoke volumes. |