Did she know? Was she feeding them bull about not knowing anything about the place? Personally, I think she was telling the truth. I just don't see the huge edge in tricking them about it.

I don't think she had ever been down there or knew there was anyone else there. Just a hunch but I think she's on the losties side now.

that is a good question....I sitll think she is a spy for the others...

I also think she was telling the truth. She wants off the island as much as anybody and is really on the Losties side (in my opinion).

Here's an idea: Mikhail saw Sayid with maps in "Enter 77", right? What if he warned Ben that they know where The Looking Glass is so Ben sent some Others down there to protect the switch?

I think she has few more double crosses in her. I m still not sure Jack isn't in on it as well

I think she was unaware of it. Actually, I'd hazard a guess and say that most of the Others are unaware that the Looking Glass is not flooded. It keeps Ben in control by having only a select few aware of the hatches. Especially one that keeps the Island from broadcasting signals that would give away its location.

hmmmmmm, I don't think she knows, but she could. . .

I think she did... She's way beyond a double agent at this point... Maybe a triple agent.. I don't trust her at all..

I don't think she knew, because lying about a way for them to get off the island wouldn't suit her #1 purpose, which is to get home to her sister.

I agree, Ben kept them all in the dark because he knows that people want off, and he can't have that happening. They still need to get used to the idea that they'll be living there forever, right?

I don't pretend to know, but I personally believe she was telling the truth on that one issue. The interesting thing will be to see if they are hostiles or Dharma. Since the station has a sub docking part, I'm guessing they are not Dharma.

I don't think she knew. If she did know and is still working for the Others, I think she would keep pushing for someone to go down there or very against someone going down there. But I don't think she's attached to the Others, I don't think she's loyal to the Losties either.

Who knows.

But I do not think that the Looking Glass is causing the communications problems, not anymore at least. I think that has to do with the failsafe.

Ever since the sky turned purple...

I don't think she knows. I think they are Others that are down there. If Ben knows about it and told Juliet, then they're not Dharma people.

I think she was unaware of it. Actually, I'd hazard a guess and say that most of the Others are unaware that the Looking Glass is not flooded. It keeps Ben in control by having only a select few aware of the hatches. Especially one that keeps the Island from broadcasting signals that would give away its location.

The fact she knows about it at all should raise some questions. I tend to agree with you that Ben's stranglehold on power is predicated on keeping key Island secrets to himself and a few (maybe less) of his inner circle, but I still have these lingering doubts that Juliet's not as she seems. I'm not sure if she's still serving Ben's interests, but she could be like Locke, a lone wolf who is willing to do whatever it takes to serve their agenda-which could mean selling out Other and Lostie alike.

I'm on the fence about this. It's tough to say. It seems like she was telling the truth, but she's been a sneaky liar before...

I still don't trust Juliet (or Jack, for that matter), but I don't think she actually knew if anyone was in the Looking Glass hatch. I doubt she's privvy to everything Ben knows. He only tells people what he wants them to know.

I'm still not sure if I believe Juliette. Everytime I want to trust her she turns out to be lying again. Then again I can't imagine why she'd lie now with how much she wants off that island.

I agree that Ben keeps as much information about the island as possible. So I'm not so sure Juliette (or anyone else that Ben hadn't hand picked) knew much about this station.

Juilet only knows what Ben wants her to know. Juilet is no longer a spy, she is in love with Jack. Juilet wants to get off the island as much as anyone.

I've got some lingering doubts, as well. I think she'll do whatever it takes to get home and if that means selling out the Losties, including Jack, she will. She was once a nice person but she's spent too much time around Ben. She can con with the best of them now.

i dont think she knows about it because the only time she has ever passed through the looking glass is when she was still drugged when first coming to the island. that's if we assume that the looking gas is the station that bridges the island and the outside world. i think it's likely that ben withheld the full story behind the looking glass and told her there was some accident flooding or whatever so that she doesnt jack the sub and leave.

I don't think she was lying. Ben doesn't want her to leave the island. It seems that flipping the switch in The Looking Glass would allow the island to be discovered or people to contact the outside world, so I can't really think of any reason why Ben would tell Juliet that the hatch is accessible. He would want her to believe that no one could go there so that she would leave it alone.

Just based on motive alone, I don't think Juliet is lying. As Jack said, she wanted to leave the island as much as anyone else, and that makes her one of them, i.e. the group that wanted to leave the island.

But I do not think that the Looking Glass is causing the communications problems, not anymore at least. I think that has to do with the failsafe.

Ever since the sky turned purple...

Exactly, if TPTB want to tell us that there is a secret underwater communications jamming station then they have to explain how it survived the EMP during the failsafe.

---------

I'm still confused about Juliet. Her 'Thanks Karl' had tones of being double/triple agenty and from the looks of the previews

Charlie may be tortured into giving up the losties plans

At the end of the day, she either she passed on bad information--making her a pawn-- or lied---making her a still practicing other.

I was just joking with my wife that next episode will start with one of the women asking Charlie, "Are you him?" Or maybe, "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?"

My guess is that Juliet didn't know that the station was manned (or womaned). What would be her incentive to lie in this situation? What if Ben doesn't even go there - if the flooding is just a legend cooked up to keep people out of there? That's pure speculation, of course. And what is the deal with the women in the looking glass now that the sub is kaput?

Exactly, if TPTB want to tell us that there is a secret underwater communications jamming station then they have to explain how it survived the EMP during the failsafe.


That's actually quite easy: since it is surrounded by salt water, and since salt water conducts electricity, the EMP would be ground by the sea and have no effect on the LGH.

Exactly, if TPTB want to tell us that there is a secret underwater communications jamming station then they have to explain how it survived the EMP during the failsafe.

I was going to say that we'll hear it's safe because it's underwater. Radio waves (which are electromagnetic) can't penetrate very far under the sea, for example. But then I thought: Ben said the EMP did knock out the Others' communications. What if Ben really is in control of it, and he's having the 2 women prevent any communications from/to the Island? He's keeping a secret from Juliette - so what else is new?

That's actually quite easy: since it is surrounded by salt water, and since salt water conducts electricity, the EMP would be ground by the sea and have no effect on the LGH.

For arguments sake, we've been told that the strange electromagnetic phenomena are from the island which would be the local ground. And if the LGH was safe from EMPs, when Dharma knows that it is doing research that could result in EMPs, then why not have a com station underwater for redundancy?

that is a good question....I sitll think she is a spy for the others...

Same for me!;)

No. When she told Jack that Ben said the station was flooded I immediately knew it wasn't. He's a liar - I'm beginning to wonder if he's told *any* of the Others *anything* that's true. Besides, Juliet wants off the island more than anything else, and lying about the Looking Glass would go against her interest. The real question, to me, is: why was Ben lying? My guess is because it's not under his control and he doesn't want to admit it. Both the Looking Glass and the Swan were completely separated from the rest of the island, and we know that the Swan was still staffed by DHARMA personnel for at least several years after the Purge. It would not surprise me at all to find that the two women are the REAL last surviving members of the Initiative - they may even know about the Purge, which is why they would be so hostile to Charlie.

I think she did. And I think she is a mole.

Besides, Juliet wants off the island more than anything else, and lying about the Looking Glass would go against her interest. .

Ok so why wasn't she jumping for joy when Kate told her about Naomi and her rescue plan?:confused: She said "we should told her" to jack...and now we're supposed to believe that the "we should told her" was about the others coming to take pregnant women? Jack's question to kate was "How?" I think the good question would have been "When?" :rolleyes:

I still don't trust her at all. it seems like she wants to leave the island, but there's something that just isn't right with her.

It is so easily for Juliette to use the Losties hatred towards Ben in her favour. When she said, Ben told us that it flooded, and Jack replies, How does it still work? (or something to that effect) she seems to be pushed into a corner, only to be rescued by Sayid concerns. Juliette could quite possibly still be in on the "long con". She doesn't know where it is, but she knows that it's flooded and still works? hmmm, sounds kinda fishy to me!

I don't pretend to know, but I personally believe she was telling the truth on that one issue. The interesting thing will be to see if they are hostiles or Dharma. Since the station has a sub docking part, I'm guessing they are not Dharma.

In next week's preview,
Mikhail is down in the station as well, so looks like they're Others.

Exactly, if TPTB want to tell us that there is a secret underwater communications jamming station then they have to explain how it survived the EMP during the failsafe.
There couldn't have been an EMP, or it would have fried the computer that Locke played chess on and the cameras on the Hydra Station.
100%
I think Ben told everyone that the Looking Glass was flooded, because it's the real way off the island (hence the name), and he doesn't want anyone to leave. It's where the sub goes... maybe it's built around some sort of wormhole. Maybe now that Charlie seems to have found himself, he will be free of the island as well. Hence, he will go "through the looking glass".

Oh yeah Juliet knew. She is a sneaky one.

I still do not have too much trust in her

Ever since the end of that episode where she tied the figure eight knot I've been suspicious of her. I love Juliet but I still don't trust her and think she'll betray the Losties at some point.

It's all part of another long con.

TPTB have done a good job making us think that Jack and Juliet are hooking up now. But, on the contrary, I think that Juliet knows that Jack is flawed when it comes to attaching himself to someone and is playing him big time. I have a feeling that we are going to see the (less than surprising) reveal that Juliet is still playing the Losties because they have no idea how to get her off of this island. She may still hate Ben, but she knows well enough that Ben gives her a greater chance of getting off this island.

I absolutely think she did not know. Ben does maybe Alpert, but Juliet does not know, Ben told her it was flooded...

I don't care for Juliet much either, but if she was working for the others she never would have told them about the looking glass. She would have let them think it was the radio tower and that is why there signal would not make it off the island. So I am still hazy about trusting her but I think she is no longer with the others.

I have flip-flopped so many times on how i feel about Juliet, it's making me dizzy.
Right now, I think she didn't know it was occupied, and I think she is firmly on the Losties side.
The only thing that leaves me doubting, is her previous relationship with Goodwin, and if she is holding some grudge still. The one who killed Goodwin (ana-lucia) is long since dead, so maybe she doesn't blame the Losties from the beach. Who knows?

There couldn't have been an EMP, or it would have fried the computer that Locke played chess on and the cameras on the Hydra Station.


There may not have been an EMP, but I don't think your examples negate the possibility. An EMP would have only fried electronics that were on, and the chess computer and cameras at the Hydra station (before they shipped Jack/Kate/Sawyer over there) could have simply been turned off at the time. However, I don't think that the jamming station ever goes off line, and I would think the same about the communications as well.

i dont think she knows about it because the only time she has ever passed through the looking glass is when she was still drugged when first coming to the island. that's if we assume that the looking gas is the station that bridges the island and the outside world. i think it's likely that ben withheld the full story behind the looking glass and told her there was some accident flooding or whatever so that she doesnt jack the sub and leave. The problem with this is that we have seen the sub several times at a dock close to the Barracks. They don't seem to need a fancy undersea sub dock.

I think this all goes back to why a sub in the first place? It's much more expensive and complex to operate than a regular ship. The only reason must be secrecy. And the reason for the Looking Glass station to have an undersea sub dock is also for secrecy. It could be resupplied/restaffed without anyone on the surface being able to see.

I still do not trust Juliet. I may never be able to with her. She's way too self oriented and would do anything to get off the island. I think she usually knows more than she's telling. Ben obviously trusts her and seems to always stick her with the big jobs. Ultimately, I think her loyalty is questionable when it comes to who can help her get off the island.