I go the distinct feeling that Sayid does not want Jack to be anywhere near the Others when they arrive, and not just because he wants Jack to "be a leader" and walk the people to the radio tower. It seems to me that Sayid continues to suspect that Jack is somehow working with the Others because he does not want Jack and them to reunite, and I have to wonder if Jack is still trustworthy. We still don't know what went on during his week alone in Otherville.:undecide:

Oh, I think Sayid's inclined to trust him now. But he's right. As "leader," Jack should LEAD his people to safety. The ambush should be carried out by someone who knows about doing ambushes. Sayid's a soldier. He knows from ambushes. Jin was in the military, too. That will be a comfort to Sayid. Bernard will cooperate with him. THAT will be a comfort to Sayid! ;)

It took enough to get Jack to LISTEN to him, but I'm glad Sayid persisted!

Also, Jack is a doctor. He needs to be alive in case there are some casualities.

I go the distinct feeling that Sayid does not want Jack to be anywhere near the Others when they arrive, and not just because he wants Jack to "be a leader" and walk the people to the radio tower. It seems to me that Sayid continues to suspect that Jack is somehow working with the Others because he does not want Jack and them to reunite, and I have to wonder if Jack is still trustworthy. We still don't know what went on during his week alone in Otherville.:undecide:

Sayid wanted the best male - sharpshooters to stay with him.

I go the distinct feeling that Sayid does not want Jack to be anywhere near the Others when they arrive, and not just because he wants Jack to "be a leader" and walk the people to the radio tower. It seems to me that Sayid continues to suspect that Jack is somehow working with the Others because he does not want Jack and them to reunite, and I have to wonder if Jack is still trustworthy. We still don't know what went on during his week alone in Otherville.

Sayid is a very smart man. He knows that Jack has been with the others for a while. He notice that Jack hasn't been himself. He notice that had been avoiding the people that he usually confide in (Re: Kate, Sayid). Sayid have a very good reason for not trusting Jack. I wonder if Jack is still trustworthy too.

I got the distinct feeling that Sayid does trust Jack....very much.....Jack wanted to stay and put his life on the line not Sayid...Sayid trusted Jack not only with their fellow losties but to get the rescue transmission out for them...which was very important to Sayid...I thought their interaction when Sayid tells Jack to lead his people... profound actually....as the stakes are very high for them all now.

I don't think I'd trust Jack, whether he was brainwashed or not. He's tried to dismiss Sayid (one of the most reasonable, and in this situation, experienced, people on the island) as if he were a child begging for ice cream money. And then he has to be told AGAIN to act like a leader. I'm sorry, Sayid needs to stop trying to get Jack on track, and just lead them himself.

And then he has to be told AGAIN to act like a leader. I'm sorry, Sayid needs to stop trying to get Jack on track, and just lead them himself.

Yeah, Sayid's brilliant plan worked so perfectly the last time. :rolleyes:

I think he trusts Jack now - as much as he trusts anyone at this point. However, he also realizes that Jack has control "issues" and is a very responsible person and really need help learning how to lead. In other words, delegate more. Sayid just helped him along.

I go the distinct feeling that Sayid does not want Jack to be anywhere near the Others when they arrive, and not just because he wants Jack to "be a leader" and walk the people to the radio tower. It seems to me that Sayid continues to suspect that Jack is somehow working with the Others because he does not want Jack and them to reunite, and I have to wonder if Jack is still trustworthy. We still don't know what went on during his week alone in Otherville.:undecide:
We think Sayid is still mistrusting Jack. But this could be an act. What if he is really setting up Jack and the others to be ambushed on their way to the tower. Sayid also came up with swimming down to the Looking Glass hatch, which looks to be an ambush.

Yeah, Sayid's brilliant plan worked so perfectly the last time. :rolleyes:Ah yes, I forgot about that plan. That was when Sayid had to convince Jack that Michael had been compromised, since it didn't click when Michael said Hurley should go on a rescue mission instead of Sayid.

You're right, Jack shouldn't have listened to Sayid, he should have stayed behind to shoot the dynamite and let Sayid go with the others.

I just don't think Sayid can lead on his own without the help of Jack. He isn't infallible. He's going to make mistakes just like Jack has done in the past, so I wouldn't think it would be wise for all of the survivors to just suddenly turn on Jack and follow Sayid's example.

I still don't trust Jack either. Something about him still isn't right. He seems more interested in staying on the island and getting revenge.

I go the distinct feeling that Sayid does not want Jack to be anywhere near the Others when they arrive, and not just because he wants Jack to "be a leader" and walk the people to the radio tower. It seems to me that Sayid continues to suspect that Jack is somehow working with the Others because he does not want Jack and them to reunite, and I have to wonder if Jack is still trustworthy. We still don't know what went on during his week alone in Otherville.:undecide:

Agree with you, i think Sayid doesn't trust jack...and when he wanted him to go to the radio tower ...jack's reaction proves to me that sayid is right!
However i think Jack is a good guy but i'm sure is forced to do something by the others...or maybe he knows that's for the best! I'm sure he has more information than we have and he doesn't share... and Sayid feels that!

I think Sayid trusts Jack as much as he's capable of trusting anyone and I thought the island's two alpha-males absolutely rocked last night. Working together and both of them steering the other back onto the path of sensibility when they'd get too crazy. Sayid knows Jack is a leader, a protector and a healer, not a killer. Having him lead the rest away from the attack was a good call on Sayid's part for a variety of reasons, the main one being that if things didn't go well he felt it would be better if he died instead of Jack.

I think Sayid is being cautious with Jack, but at the same time, Sayid's the better shot and it makes sense to send Jack up the hill with the group - as leader and protector for them. Sayid can lead the gun team. His solider instincts will serve him well. Jack likes to save everyone but he forgets that dealing with delicate spinal cords isn't the same as blasting people to death. I do think Jack wants revenge and is still not thinking as clearly as he should be.

I thought things shook out rather nicely last night. Sayid asserted himself, and Jack was receptive. Give and take. Cooperation. Live together or die alone.

I don't understand how wanting Jack to lead the group to the radio tower is a sign of Sayid's mistrust of him. If anything it's the opposite.

The Others are after the women. All the women are going to be with Jack now that Sayid's had his say. If Jack is not to be trusted, couldn't he come up with some way to lead the group into a trap or send a signal to the Others of where they are?

I agree that Sayid doesn't fully trust Jack still (he won't until he gets a good explanation of what really happened in Jack's week in Othersville. However, I do not think that Jack or Sayid is an other as some people are speculating. But, I also believe that Sayid knows he's a better shot then Jack and he should be the one to lead the shooting team as he is a solider.

It makes sense that Sayid stays and Jack goes so that Jack can lead everyone to safety. After all, if Jack really was a leader, then that is what he should do. Sayid is good at leading an assault team.

But since Sayid is staying behind that:

makes me worried for him, Bernard, and Jin as far as the deaths go. Jin and Bernard can go. Just not Sayid.

I didn;t mind Jack too much in this episode, which is a suprise for me. I thought that the co-operation and Jack making big speeches reminded me of season one where I didn;t really mind him that much.

There were issues with the way he barks orders at people which grate on me because of the whole leadership issue with him, but that has been debated to death so I wont go into it. But anyway, I kind of liked the dynamic with jack and Sayid. Sayid gave good advice, and showed that he has the best interests of the group at heart, that they need their doctor, and for once, jack actually listened and didn;t have to be the big hero fighting the others and actually made a sensible decision. I liked that and thought it showed character rowth, and one of the things that always annoyed me about jack was that he was always running itno the jungle to be the hero and not thinking about what effect his death would have on the other Losties. In this episode he did, and it was nice to see!

I don;t think Sayid entirely trusts Jack, but I think everyone is putting their personal issues behind them to fight a common enemy!

I'm not sure I trust Jack. Aside from being off in general lately, he said something that gives me pause. During his speech about "blowing the others to hell", he says that they'll have no idea. And I immediately thought back to Michael's "They won't be expecting us" at the end of last season. Was anybody else reminded of that?

I'm not sure I trust Jack. Aside from being off in general lately, he said something that gives me pause. During his speech about "blowing the others to hell", he says that they'll have no idea. And I immediately thought back to Michael's "They won't be expecting us" at the end of last season. Was anybody else reminded of that?

Yeah, that is pretty much the same scenario. I can't help but wonder if we (the audience) are being set up. Much like the "Charlie, you're gonna die" plot, this whole notion of "something's wrong with Jack" seems too obvious. The writer's seem to be telegraphing their punches... overtly. I was fully expecting Charlie to bite the dust last night but TPTB, rather strangely, delayed that event and could possibly not kill him off at all.

With Jack, their seem to be too many people that are concerned with his motives for him to involved in the widely discussed "snake in the mailbox."

Sayid, Sawyer, Sun, Kate and even Hurley have all shown some hesitation toward Jack's leadership role. So I'm fully preparing myself for the opposite of the expected to happen.

I just can't trust Jack because I can't figure out why he and Juliet would really need to be secretive if they want to help the Losties....I don't think anyone would object at their plan to the save them. "No! Why'd you tell me the Others were coming?! I want to die!"

The main feeling I got from Jack in this episode was how deeply angry he is at The Others. He wants pay back really badly. I think his anger toward them plus his pain about Kate sleeping with Sawyer has been making him act really weird and keeping things to himself.

I felt that Sayid trusted him, but didn't think Jack should put his life on the line. He probably also just wanted the best shooters there and Jacks' a great doctor, but not a sharp shooter by any means.

I still don't trust Juliet however...

This episode, imo, reinforced the respect and trust between Sayid and Jack that had been lacking. Frankly, these two guys never stopped trusting each other until Jack first returned from Othersville with Juliette. Then again, Sayid's first reaction to ANY non-Castaway is to be suspicious: Rousseau, Ben, Juliette, Naimoi, Karl. When isn't Sayid mistrustful?

I didn't see any mistrust between Jack and Sayid in this episode, quite the contrary. Also, Sayid wanting Jack to go to the tower had nothing to do with Jack not being a good shot. I mean if that were the case, Jack is a WAY better shot than Bernard (even Sawyer or Kate). The issue was that Jack's presence was more vital in leading the Castaways towards rescue and not sacrificing his life.

Jack wanted revenge. He was furious with what the Others have done to him and the rest of the Losties, and you knew this when he said "I owe them!" Sayid essentially told Jack what Jack needed to hear: You need to lead, not take all the risks. For Jack, sending anyone to their deaths is not a decision his was ready to make at all, and throughout all of season one and two, he has fought everyone and anyone who wanted to put their lives in danger. He was going to be the one to take the risks if any were to be taken, and he was doing it again in "Greatest Hits." When Sayid and Charlie both volunteered for the "suicide mission" of diving to the Looking Glass station, Jack immediately dismissed the idea. He wasn't going to let them risk their lives - and he told them so.

In that final scene on the beach between them, Jack was again going to take the risk and give Sayid the "leading the Castaways to safety" job. Sayid finally told Jack that he couldn't do it anymore. "You need to lead. You need to bring us all home." If Sayid didn't trust Jack, why would he have almost the entire camp go with Jack and only Jin and Bernard remain with Sayid? If you don't trust someone, you don't give that person the responsibility of protecting and guiding ALL the Losties.

I thought the renewed respect between Jack and Sayid was one of the great highlights of this episode. They worked as as true team.

This episode, imo, reinforced the respect and trust between Sayid and Jack that had been lacking. Frankly, these two guys never stopped trusting each other until Jack first returned from Othersville with Juliette. Then again, Sayid's first reaction to ANY non-Castaway is to be suspicious: Rousseau, Ben, Juliette, Naimoi, Karl. When isn't Sayid mistrustful?

I didn't see any mistrust between Jack and Sayid in this episode, quite the contrary. Also, Sayid wanting Jack to go to the tower had nothing to do with Jack not being a good shot. I mean if that were the case, Jack is a WAY better shot than Bernard (even Sawyer or Kate). The issue was that Jack's presence was more vital in leading the Castaways towards rescue and not sacrificing his life.

Jack wanted revenge. He was furious with what the Others have done to him and the rest of the Losties, and you knew this when he said "I owe them!" Sayid essentially told Jack what Jack needed to hear: You need to lead, not take all the risks. For Jack, sending anyone to their deaths is not a decision his was ready to make at all, and throughout all of season one and two, he has fought everyone and anyone who wanted to put their lives in danger. He was going to be the one to take the risks if any were to be taken, and he was doing it again in "Greatest Hits." When Sayid and Charlie both volunteered for the "suicide mission" of diving to the Looking Glass station, Jack immediately dismissed the idea. He wasn't going to let them risk their lives - and he told them so.

In that final scene on the beach between them, Jack was again going to take the risk and give Sayid the "leading the Castaways to safety" job. Sayid finally told Jack that he couldn't do it anymore. "You need to lead. You need to bring us all home." If Sayid didn't trust Jack, why would he have almost the entire camp go with Jack and only Jin and Bernard remain with Sayid? If you don't trust someone, you don't give that person the responsibility of protecting and guiding ALL the Losties.

I thought the renewed respect between Jack and Sayid was one of the great highlights of this episode. They worked as as true team.

Ditto....you said it all......and I highlighted the end bit cause I felt exactly the same way....according to the sneak peek of the finale this respect is made even more clear....its so moving its wonderful, two great men acknowledging one another :)

This episode, imo, reinforced the respect and trust between Sayid and Jack that had been lacking. Frankly, these two guys never stopped trusting each other until Jack first returned from Othersville with Juliette. Then again, Sayid's first reaction to ANY non-Castaway is to be suspicious: Rousseau, Ben, Juliette, Naimoi, Karl. When isn't Sayid mistrustful?

I didn't see any mistrust between Jack and Sayid in this episode, quite the contrary. Also, Sayid wanting Jack to go to the tower had nothing to do with Jack not being a good shot. I mean if that were the case, Jack is a WAY better shot than Bernard (even Sawyer or Kate). The issue was that Jack's presence was more vital in leading the Castaways towards rescue and not sacrificing his life.

Jack wanted revenge. He was furious with what the Others have done to him and the rest of the Losties, and you knew this when he said "I owe them!" Sayid essentially told Jack what Jack needed to hear: You need to lead, not take all the risks. For Jack, sending anyone to their deaths is not a decision his was ready to make at all, and throughout all of season one and two, he has fought everyone and anyone who wanted to put their lives in danger. He was going to be the one to take the risks if any were to be taken, and he was doing it again in "Greatest Hits." When Sayid and Charlie both volunteered for the "suicide mission" of diving to the Looking Glass station, Jack immediately dismissed the idea. He wasn't going to let them risk their lives - and he told them so.

In that final scene on the beach between them, Jack was again going to take the risk and give Sayid the "leading the Castaways to safety" job. Sayid finally told Jack that he couldn't do it anymore. "You need to lead. You need to bring us all home." If Sayid didn't trust Jack, why would he have almost the entire camp go with Jack and only Jin and Bernard remain with Sayid? If you don't trust someone, you don't give that person the responsibility of protecting and guiding ALL the Losties.

I thought the renewed respect between Jack and Sayid was one of the great highlights of this episode. They worked as as true team.

Maxum, your post always seem to be the voice of reason and would also like to add to this.

I look at this as the glass half full, while other viewers look at it as half empty. Jack doesn't want to lose any more of the Losties than he already has. His main mission now is to get them safely out of harm's way and get rescued. Whatever happened to him after Kate and Sawyer safely made their way back to their beach has greatly influenced his behavior. We won't know until the season finale, but clearly, there is a lot of anger and emnity towards the Others. He is seeking retribution. Is it misplaced? Again, we won't know that until the season finale.

Other people interpret his behavior as overbearing. I see it as being overly protective. He had resigned himself after Kate and Sawyer made their escape, that the Others were going to kill him. I agree with you that if it came right down to it, I think he would sacrifice himself. It reminds me of what Spock always told Kirk of the Vulcan saying: The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. The lives of the Losties come first and Sayid needed to remind him that to be a leader, he needed to lead the Losties to the radio tower. No one else will. With that statement, Sayid was re-affirming the trust that WAS strained after Jack's return from Otherville and re-affirming Jack's leadership role. Jack acknowleged that in return, but left Sayid, Jin, and Bernard in camp with great reservations.

We hope Sayid, Jin, and Bernard will not come to harm.

I feel like the way Sayid was talking to Jack was like when he was talking ABOUT Michael to Jack last season. I think he wants to make sure the blowing up of the others actually happens, and that Jack was playing them- to tell the others to follow them to the radio tower. Sayid is VERY smart, and shouldn't trust Jack right now. I sure wouldn't.