I think that the blonde woman who had a gun on Charlie at the end of the episode was Joanna.I have never believed that Joanna actually drown.I always thought that she was taken to an underwater hatch.(and now I know I'm right)

Here is a picture of Joanna from her passport when Kate was burning it:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-450-197.html

When pictures from this episode become available I will try to provide a picture of the woman at the end for comparisons.

To further my convictions they have continued to mention her .They always show the part where Jack trys to save her in the recaps.As a scuba diver she should have known about riptides and how to survive one.Why else would they continue to mention her when we hadn't even met her.

Stacy Lane

Refresh my memory: who exactly is Joanna??

Ok, whoa. You just blew my mind with this one. I love how the face on the passport is burned up, so all they really had to match was the hair.

I thought Joanna "drowned" close to the Losties camp, and we know The Looking Glass is probably a few hours walk down the beach.

Then again, Cindy disappeared in the jungle at the snap of a finger so anything is possible.

that would be crazy. I love how the writers can come up with stuff like that after the fact and then pass it off as if they had planned it all along.

It's hard to tell but ya just never know...could be...

From reading the posts, I'm gathering that Joanna is the Lostie that Jack tried to save at the beginning of an episode last season, but she supposedly drowned. Is this correct? That's a cool little twist I guess.

Hey, I'm not sure I'm with you on this. The cast list for this episode calls the two girls Greta and Bonnie.

That would be a cool twist if it was Joanna. (My first thought was maybe those women were the women he had the threesome with in Helsinki, but probably not LOL.)

That's an interesting thought and looking at the screencaps here it could be her... http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

warning...I don't know if there are spoilers on this page but I know this site does contain them. I didn't see any though.

I also thought looking at the cap of the other lady that she reminded me of cassidy but that's just crazy way out there... :biggrin:

Here's a comparison:

Joanna: http://www.lostpedia.com/images/c/cb/Barbara_Joanna_Miller2.jpg

Woman in Looking Glass: http://www.lostpedia.com/images/e/ec/Bonnie.jpg

I don't think the cast list necessarily renders this an impossible match -- after all, they called Ben "Henry Gale" in the cast lists when he was a prisoner in the Swan.

The blond in the looking glass looks like the blond in the man behind the curtain. Check it out on screencaps from darkufo

Guys, who the heck is Joanna? I dont remember this...Jack saving a drowning woman?

I don't remember the exact episode, but it was the one when Jack saved Boone who had actually swam out to rescue Joanna. By the time Jack got Boone back to the beach, it was too late for Joanna. So we think...

ETA: The episode was White Rabbit.

Guys, who the heck is Joanna? I dont remember this...Jack saving a drowning woman?

One of the very first episodes. Boone dives in to save her, but almost drowns himself. Jack saves Boone, but can't save Joanna.

She's mentioned several times in the first season. Kate tries to steal her passport, and Sayid mentions how Boone tried to save her at Boone's funeral.

Interesting. Yeah, I remember now... thanks man.

I have made a few posts here and there about Joanna since last night. Glad to see there is a thread for it.

People have been thinking since season 1 that Joanna did not drown, but was taken somewhere under water, basically because of her swimming skills. Then with the discovery of the hatches, people really felt in season 2 there would be an underwater hatch, with Joanna in it. And here it is! I'm convinced she'll be there.

As for the distance from the Losties' beach: could a riptide do that?

Joanna's face from the passport does not have to match the women in the station. Those women were not yet cast in season 1. This is like the case of the Penny picture changing. Sonya Walger had not yet been cast when we were first shown the picture. They then changed the prop when she was cast. A major TV actress will not be cast 2 years before she is to appear on a show.

These actresses are Tracy Mittendorf and Lana Parilla, who do a ton of work. Their character's don't have the same name as Joanna, but I still think she'll be there.
For me, Joanna ranks up there with the missing hairbrushes and the radio tower as an early season 1 clue as to what was coming that I have been waiting for years to pan out. I believe these writers can and do plant such clues for us to find.

Ya Jack saved Joanna in one of the first five eps it was before Locke started to run around the think

In Expose, they cut out the part of Jack's "Live Together, Die Alone" speech where he mentions Joanna. If they were going to resurrect her, it seems they would have used that opportunity to remind the viewers about it.

Both of the women have that 'hard-edged Others look'. But maybe. I like the idea. Joanna's death was really strange. And there was never a body that washed up.

I believe that was the name of the woman that "supposedly" drowned in season 1. Her body was never recovered. What if she was snatched by the Others and is living in the Looking Glass station.

I think that the blonde woman who had a gun on Charlie at the end of the episode was Joanna.I have never believed that Joanna actually drown.I always thought that she was taken to an underwater hatch.(and now I know I'm right)

Here is a picture of Joanna from her passport when Kate was burning it:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-450-197.html

When pictures from this episode become available I will try to provide a picture of the woman at the end for comparisons.

To further my convictions they have continued to mention her .They always show the part where Jack trys to save her in the recaps.As a scuba diver she should have known about riptides and how to survive one.Why else would they continue to mention her when we hadn't even met her.

Stacy Lane


Hey, I just posted a thread on the exact thing. I need to go delete mine since this one is here . Anyway I am thinking the same thing. Her body was never recovered. I didn't remember her being a scuba diver. That makes sense.

From reading the posts, I'm gathering that Joanna is the Lostie that Jack tried to save at the beginning of an episode last season, but she supposedly drowned. Is this correct? That's a cool little twist I guess.

Joanna (full name Barbara Joanna Miller according to her passport) drowned at the beginning of "White Rabbit". Boone almost drowned himself trying to save her and had to be rescued by Jack.

I believe that was the name of the woman that "supposedly" drowned in season 1. Her body was never recovered. What if she was snatched by the Others and is living in the Looking Glass station.

That happened nowhere near the cable. So the odds seem very, very unlikely.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=79981

That happened nowhere near the cable. So the odds seem very, very unlikely.

I think that she did somehow get pulled under to that station. I thought back in season 1 that her death was odd and they went out of their way to make us understand that she was a good swimmer who had no business getting pulled under.

Diary Writer also said that while swimming one day, she thought she'd been surprised by a whale...there was a mist of air as though from a blow hole and a great body below her. She felt it was a pretty cool experience. I'm thinking not so cool, a little more submarine-ish. Unless there are whales out there with Dharma logos. *giggle*

I thought of Joanna when we saw the girls, too.

Do we know what Joanna looks like?

Do we know what Joanna looks like?


No, the only time we saw her face was on the ID Kate was burning in "Born To Run."

I wonder if the picture on the ID looks like one of the women in the looking glass.

Diary Writer also said that while swimming one day, she thought she'd been surprised by a whale...there was a mist of air as though from a blow hole and a great body below her. She felt it was a pretty cool experience. I'm thinking not so cool, a little more submarine-ish. Unless there are whales out there with Dharma logos. *giggle*

I thought of Joanna when we saw the girls, too.

Whoa... just got chills. Joanna=Jonah? Don't make me go get Eko to give you another Bible lesson!

I think that she did somehow get pulled under to that station. I thought back in season 1 that her death was odd and they went out of their way to make us understand that she was a good swimmer who had no business getting pulled under.

Interesting. How would that have happend? The Losties' beach is a far, far walk from the cable. She drowned in plain sight of the Losties' beach.

Interesting. How would that have happend? The Losties' beach is a far, far walk from the cable. She drowned in plain sight of the Losties' beach.


It is simple really...Joanna was (must have been) :eek2: picked up by a submarine (willing to bet a godiva chocolate bar on that!).

Interesting. How would that have happend? The Losties' beach is a far, far walk from the cable. She drowned in plain sight of the Losties' beach.

It is simple really...Joanna was (must have been) :eek2: picked up by a submarine (willing to bet a godiva chocolate bar on that!).

Either a submarine or some other device that's out there that may be used to capture anyone who tries to swim too far out. That station could have trapped her and then sent sharks after the raft in season 1.

That happened nowhere near the cable. So the odds seem very, very unlikely.

It would have seemed unlikely that Desmond ran with Jack in a stadium or that a sub is the only way DHARMA brought people to the island or that Locke's dad would show up. but low and behold.......:)

It would have seemed unlikely that Desmond ran with Jack in a stadium or that a sub is the only way DHARMA brought people to the island or that Locke's dad would show up. but low and behold.......:)

Ok. But by that logic, literally anything is possible. So, why not say an alien plucked her from the water? That's as likely as a sub "picking her up" or she being caught by a station no where near where see was seen to drown in plain sight.

I think it is also interesting that the episode she "drowned" in was called White Rabbit and we find the underwater station called the Looking Glass. Both Alice in Wonderland references. And the Dharma symbol has a rabbit on it.

Also one thing I had thought of was, if that is her in that station - what if she really wasn't drowning but was actually swimming out to the station/sub. What if she really was/is an Other like Ethan was. The losties assumed she was Joanna because of the id which could of been a Joanna who actually drowned during the crash itself and not belong to the Joanna who 'drowned'.

The only thing is like it has been stated is that the station doesn't seem to be in the same area as the drowning.

Well, riptides can flow
as fast as 2.5 meters per second (8 feet per second).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_current

Could that have taken Joanna far away from their beach?

Ok. But by that logic, literally anything is possible. So, why not say an alien plucked her from the water? That's as likely as a sub "picking her up" or she being caught by a station no where near where see was seen to drown in plain sight.

I would have to say that there's a large difference between a suction tube and aliens.

I mean, Roger has a point, there's a monster composed entirely of smoke on the island. But no aliens. Time travel's ok, but no zombies. There are limits to the insanity, but some type of device to suck a girl underwater would hardly be the oddest thing we've seen on this show.

I think it is also interesting that the episode she "drowned" in was called White Rabbit and we find the underwater station called the Looking Glass. Both Alice in Wonderland references. And the Dharma symbol has a rabbit on it.



bang on. i was thinking that was a weird coincidence. but im sure the writers couldn't think that far ahead. if this turns out to be true. TPTB must have noticed the coincidence and thought it would be cool to

I dont think so.

The average viewer will not remember Joanna, so it would just be confusing to the 98% of viewers who don't come on thefuselage. It would just be confusing.

I think it's a new girl.

I dont think so.

The average viewer will not remember Joanna, so it would just be confusing to the 98% of viewers who don't come on thefuselage. It would just be confusing.

I think it's a new girl.

Thanks for reminding us we're a small percentage of viewers.

I dont think so.

The average viewer will not remember Joanna, so it would just be confusing to the 98% of viewers who don't come on thefuselage. It would just be confusing.

I think it's a new girl.

The average viewer wouldn't remember the flight attendant either, but she showed up. Ditto Nadia.

Interesting. How would that have happend? The Losties' beach is a far, far walk from the cable. She drowned in plain sight of the Losties' beach.

If I remember correctly, a few episodes into season one, the camp moved down the beach... something about the tide swallowing the plane or something (i.e., an excuse not to show the plane wreckage every week).

So, they could have been a little closer originally, when Joanna drowned. Of course, I'm grasping at straws here.

I thought Joanna "drowned" close to the Losties camp, and we know The Looking Glass is probably a few hours walk down the beach.

Then again, Cindy disappeared in the jungle at the snap of a finger so anything is possible.

What if the "Others" were waiting offshore with the submarine and picked her up?

The average viewer wouldn't remember the flight attendant either, but she showed up. Ditto Nadia.

There's a HUGE difference between Cindy and Nadia and "that woman that drowned in that one episode in season one." Of course, they can resolve all that with a "previously on Lost" that reminds everyone of Joanna. My point is that it is so extremely unlikely as to be beyond consideration except as a wacky "what if?" theory.

I don't remember the exact episode, but it was the one when Jack saved Boone who had actually swam out to rescue Joanna. By the time Jack got Boone back to the beach, it was too late for Joanna. So we think...

ETA: The episode was White Rabbit.

Whoa! the episode was 'White Rabbit' where she drowned? and now she could be in the Looking Glass hatch (Station)? Interesting connection (and Penny's original model (In the first version of the photo)/actress are not even close to the same person so here there is less of an issue with the burnt passport).

When I first saw the blond woman in the LG, I immediately thought of the long-haired blond woman who was on tug boat when the Others took Walt - the woman who threw the bomb onto Michael & Co.'s raft. Sure that could have been Juliet (the Juliet we now know would not have been cast yet), but at the time I remember thinking that she also looked like Karen DeGroot (I think her name was Karen?).

Joanna is a fun thought, but I think it's a bit too obscure to be her..

It looks like their names may be Bonnie and Greta...IMBD has them credited for Greatest Hits http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0998660/fullcredits#cast as well as Through The Looking Glass http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1004798/fullcredits#cast and while there is no photo of her on IMDB (which is weird...shes been in a ton of shows including DS9, 90210 and she played Carrie on Days Of Our Lives for a long time) I found this one of her http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/de/images/thumb/2/25/Tracy_middendorf.jpg/200px-Tracy_middendorf.jpg and as you can see shes the blonde and the Greta http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0663469/HH/0663469/iid_1082291.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Parrilla,%20Lana is the Brunette!

Jodo, you may want to spoilerfont your post, since the names/identities of the characters are still unknown.

I do not personally think one of these women is going to be Joanna, but I so want her to be in the station. And yes, they did move up the beach (in real life the wreckage was washing away, so it was easier to move the filming than fight the tides), but I don't know if that brought them closer to wire.

I don't think the average viewer not remembering Joanna is a problem. This show has always been watched that can be watched on multiple levels, and surely they put in goodies just for us! Right? :)

As the characters have not been named on the show you MUST spoiler font them until they are. Thank you.

When I first saw the blond woman in the LG, I immediately thought of the long-haired blond woman who was on tug boat when the Others took Walt - the woman who threw the bomb onto Michael & Co.'s raft. Sure that could have been Juliet (the Juliet we now know would not have been cast yet), but at the time I remember thinking that she also looked like Karen DeGroot (I think her name was Karen?).

Joanna is a fun thought, but I think it's a bit too obscure to be her..

You're not alone in immediately thinking of the bomb throwing sea billy or Karen DeGroot. Anytime a blonde woman appears on-screen, at least 20 people run to the Fuselage to type "It's Karen DeGroot" or "It's the Bomb Throwing Sea Billy" or "It's Sarah" or "It's Penny" or "It's Juliet" or "It's Libby" or "It's Shannon" or "It's the girl that used to be in Desmond's Picture before they cast Sonya Walger."

There's a HUGE difference between Cindy and Nadia and "that woman that drowned in that one episode in season one." Of course, they can resolve all that with a "previously on Lost" that reminds everyone of Joanna. My point is that it is so extremely unlikely as to be beyond consideration except as a wacky "what if?" theory.

I don't see the difference between "that woman that drowned in that one episode in season 1" and "that woman that was tortured in one episode in season 1".

But, you're correct about the "previously on 'Lost'" thing... that'd be neccesary.

Still...it might just be...

who cares...Mikail is going to blow them up for good anyway

Addressing the disance of the looing glass versus where Joanna drowned. I think back that the original camp went underwater, and the losties had to move down the shore. Well, it is feasable that the looking glass station could more too, or the not so island - island has a movable looking glass.....

I don't see the difference between "that woman that drowned in that one episode in season 1" and "that woman that was tortured in one episode in season 1".But Nadia isn't just from one episode in season 1; she's been mentioned prominently in several Sayid flashbacks as well as on-island, plus has made appearances in others' flashbacks as well (though not explictly named in these).

Anyway, they didn't mention the Joanna incident on the recap show last night. That would have been a great place to bring her up if they were resurrecting her...
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If I remember correctly, a few episodes into season one, the camp moved down the beach... So, they could have been a little closer originally, when Joanna drowned. According to Lostpedia, Joanna drowned on Day 6, and the beach camp was moved on Day 22...

I do not at all understand why people think the Looking Glass being far away makes it impossible for Joanna to be abducted by the Others and transferred to the Looking Glass. What, the Others needed a hatch two feet away from the Losties' camp to abduct them? They have subs and other crafts, and God knows what else. They could have easily abducted Joanna at their beach, taken her away without them knowing.

That said, taking away Joanna for that hatch seems odd, because it's a very important job and who would want a newbie working there?

Although I strongly beleive that neither of the two woman are Joanna, I'd still like to play devil's advocate and remind everyone that Kelvin (who was with Desmond in the hatch) was cast as Joe Inman one episode just to fool everyone looking at the cast lists for clues. Although after they did that they also revealed Kelvin's full name as Kelvin Joe Inman, and we already know Joanna's full name to be Barbara Joanna Miller, which is nothing close to the two casties character names.

I think it is also interesting that the episode she "drowned" in was called White Rabbit and we find the underwater station called the Looking Glass. Both Alice in Wonderland references. And the Dharma symbol has a rabbit on it.Well, following that line of reasoning, wouldn't you be more likely to come across the actual (well, the metaphorical) White Rabbit of Season One himself?

(As distinct from the White Rabbit of Season Three -- may he rest in peace.)

But Nadia isn't just from one episode in season 1; she's been mentioned prominently in several Sayid flashbacks as well as on-island, plus has made appearances in others' flashbacks as well (though not explictly named in these).


She's been seen in the one Sayid flashback and had two cameos. Not a large difference between that and Joanna being seen in one episode.

It's a possibility.

According to Lostpedia, Joanna drowned on Day 6, and the beach camp was moved on Day 22...

So, they Could have been much closer to the cable when she drowned and then moved to their current location on day 22.

So Joanna disappears in an episode called "The white rabbit" and we think that might be her in a station called "The looking glass"?

Hmm :)

So Joanna disappears in an episode called "The white rabbit" and we think that might be her in a station called "The looking glass"?

Hmm :)

She disappeared in "Wite Rabbit"?? Now, it'd be really cool if she was down there.

Whoa! the episode was 'White Rabbit' where she drowned? and now she could be in the Looking Glass hatch (Station)?
Exactly! Plus, the Diary Writer wrote about a whale coming up under her blowing bubbles. Would it really be that far out, if there's some whale with a Darma logo on it that's engineered to abduct people? And the woman's name was Joanna! The female variation of the biblical Jonah. So Joanna gets swallowed by the whale, and spat up through the moon pool! Come on, that would be cool!

Exactly! Plus, the Diary Writer wrote about a whale coming up under her blowing bubbles. Would it really be that far out, if there's some whale with a Darma logo on it that's engineered to abduct people? And the woman's name was Joanna! The female variation of the biblical Jonah. So Joanna gets swallowed by the whale, and spat up through the moon pool! Come on, that would be cool!

Yeah but, ... "The Diary Writer" is deuterocanonical - created but later rejected by PAW (producers and writers. aka TPTB) and has no bearing on the show just like the official deleted scenes. [ Deuterocanonical at Lostpedia: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Category:Deuterocanonical ]

Still, it would have made a cool connection. I like the whale thing idea.

I do not personally think one of these women is going to be Joanna, but I so want her to be in the station.


I'm with Jennylee on this one. Seriously though, the ABC cast lists are 99% on the money, the only time they have screwed with us is the Kelvin Joe Inman episode. And as someone has pointed out Joanna's middle name is Barbara. Thats a big stretch to either Bonnie or Greta. The girls are not Joanna...but that's not to say that Joanna is lost and gone forever. I think she's somewhere down there or has been taken to the other's camp. For what reason, I cannot say. Maybe she was 'good'?

I believe it can be found on Lostpedia that...

"Bonnie" can be found in Barbara Joanna Miller.

I thought it was cool when I first read it, and would like to believe that the two are one in the same.

However, as has been pointed out, the Joanna that apparently drowned in 'White Rabbit' was very far away from the cable and therefore the station. I'm not going to talk about air tubes or anything, but I will say that I prefer things this way. I would rather have this Bonnie being a completely different person than have it actually be Joanna that we presume to be dead. Why? Well, because even if the 'riptides' or Dharma's version of Free Willy carried her to the Looking Glass, the biggest issue I have with Lost right now is that they're going CRAZY with travelling over the island!

I'm sure there's another thread for this, and will travel there soon with a more elaborate post, but basically, nothing seems consistent as far as distances on the island. It was supposed to have taken one or two days to get to the Flame, if I heard correctly on the episode, and yet another day to the Barracks. It took about that length for Sayid/Charlie/Kate to find Henry Gale's balloon - that's all good. But when the Others travel from the Barracks, presumably much farther away from the Lostie's camp than they were before, and Pryce says he can get his team there by sundown - What the heck?!

What I mean, and in relation to this post, is that the cable was supposed to be a long way's down the beach. Nowhere near the Losties. The closer that things are to the Losties, Dharma stations and all, the angrier and more frustrated I get that for 2.5 seasons they had only found The Swan. With the obvious allowances made to the Nigerian Plane over the Pearl and the capsule dump and the cable, but, um, still!

Oh, and all of a sudden NOW everyone's talking about the radio tower? And Danielle's willing to help lead them to it? Sayid told her about the cable on the beach in Season 1, I wonder if she knows where it leads. But, like, sigh, fail.

I would be most pleased if the two women in The Looking Glass that we've found have been isolated from everyone INCLUDING Ben and actually have their own thing going for them the way the two people in the Swan did. I'd like to see at any rate what they've been doing for the past 90-some days, cause their existence seems a bit unrealistic or problematic if they're in a station that's capable of blocking radio signals. In fact, blah, they've got to know Ben.

But really, Joanna? I don' tknow. It was a great and entertaining idea, but I actually dislike the idea the more I think about it.

She's been seen in the one Sayid flashback and had two cameos. Not a large difference between that and Joanna being seen in one episode.I believe she was shown in Sayid's second flashback as well (at least a picture of her). She's the entire reason he infiltrated the terrorist cell. And with Nadia the reason Sayid was on the plane to begin with, I'd say she's more than just a tad more significant than "Joanna."

So, they Could have been much closer to the cable when she drowned and then moved to their current location on day 22.A distinct possibility...
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Yeah but, ... "The Diary Writer" is deuterocanonical - created but later rejected by PAW (producers and writers. aka TPTB) and has no bearing on the show just like the official deleted scenes. [ Deuterocanonical at Lostpedia: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Category:Deuterocanonical ]Interesting! Here's the Lostpedia link (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Diary) to the Diary in question.

How is this theory doing in light of the finale?