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You figure it would be at least a month before camera's got down to the 4 mile down wreckage site.. At thats at an absolute minimum--considering it most likely took much longer than a month to even locate a plane that far of course and in the deepest part of the ocean.

Never in the history of music would an Record company be so rude as to try and cash in 2 months after the guy was found dead.

My guess is we are 3 years behind the world because thats the amount of time that keeps being mentioned by Desmond and Juliet.

Remember, Penny also needed time to setup a search team, listening post ect.

a "greatest hits" can be put together in literally no time at all..
all the leg work is done..
music is done..
and as a rock star myself, trust me:
it's a slimy business, the label has their own
interest in mind.
very very plausible...

yea, I agree. Also, the way Niomi said "on yea I remember that" she said it like it happened years ago.

We had an invisible man in a chair last week, and this is what you label unrealistic?;)

I don't really have much for this topic though, just had to get that i.;)

Is it bad that I found it a bit funny that they made a Greatest Hits album for a band with just two albums and only one hit song... Seems like the record label was ready to milk Charlie's death for every last penny.

I think its nice that Charlie had a nice memorial.

As for quick turn around on a tribute album- didn't the single for Princess Diana hit the stores within days of her memorial?

Is it bad that I found it a bit funny that they made a Greatest Hits album for a band with just two albums and only one hit song... Seems like the record label was ready to milk Charlie's death for every last penny.

exactly, I think the "greatest hits" for Drive Shaft is a joke. It's meant to be funny. Charlie's REAL greatest hits were these other events, not song hits.

Don

Is it bad that I found it a bit funny that they made a Greatest Hits album for a band with just two albums and only one hit song... Seems like the record label was ready to milk Charlie's death for every last penny.

Yeah, that was the only thing that bothered me is that I thought "you all everybody" was a one hit wonder? But now their Greatest Hits is selling? I guess it could happen.

So Electomagnic you're a rock star?:cool: Tell us who you are. We all here at the fuselage can keep a secret!:lipsseal: :biggrin:

I agree we're getting subtle hints from Naomi that more than 90 days have passed in the real world. Nothing definitive yet -- an album could be put out quickly, although that's unlikely -- but maybe we'll get something more definitive in the season finale.

I really hope she has some additional big revelation, because I was annoyed that she was up and walking around camp having casual conversations, yet no one has grilled her about what's going on in the real world -- for God's sake, she had to bring it up with Charlie. You'd think that Jack at least might want to confirm Ben's story about the Red Sox. I'd prefer the writers to have kept her in a coma if her being awake is going to lead to an attack of script-induced stupidity on the part of the other Losties.

It's possible to get a record out that quickly if the record company really wanted to. But I think the points about Naomi could be important, she never places any sort of time reference to her statements about the plane, deaths etc. She could be talking about a crash 3 months ago but it could also be years ago.

It would make no sense if they throw a time twist in now. Although it hasn't been shown, we have to assume she has been making small talk with a lot of people. Losties should all be coming up to her immediately and be asking her what's going on in the outside world. I know I would be asking. And any of that small talk would lead to a time difference being obvious (even if a Lostie is asking her if Britney Spears had her baby or whatever was going on in 2004). Unless she is lying, of course.

It's weird how she's so nonchalant about everything, though. "Good thing you're not dead, eh?" I mean, WTH? Maybe she is lying.

I can buy the album being put out, but I can't buy them finding the plane, pronouncing them all dead and having a huge memorial all in that short time. Not to mention, how long has Naomi been on Penny's ship searching for the island? I can't imagine its been less than a week or something short... :shrug:

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it's a slimy business, the label has their own
interest in mind.
very very plausible...

Its not plausible..its never happened and I suspect it never will. It hasnt even happened on a person dying from old age...certainly not a plane crash

At the moment I work in retail and seriously you can almost guarantee that when a famous artist dies that within the WEEK there will be a re-release of his/her greatest hits or at the very most a brand new disc within two to three weeks.


This is before you take into consideration DVD's and re-releases of other things in their back catalogue.
I for one never get it. But the strangest thing is people buy the things. Like...it takes someone to die before you buy something? :-\

Its not plausible..its never happened and I suspect it never will. It hasnt even happened on a person dying from old age...certainly not a plane crash

are you seriously suggesting that a greatest hits compilation was never hustled to the stores within three months of an artist's death?

Look, the record label rushed Tupac Shakur's Don Killuminati cd to the shelves within a month of his death. The record label put out Nirvana Unplugged which was not planned as a release within 7 months of Kurt Cobain's suicide. I think the "Eddie Cochran Memorial Album" was released under the 3 month timeline following Cochran's death. The Allman Brothers' "Eat a Peach" lp was rushed to stores within months of Duane Allman's death. These aren't perfect examples, but they certainly discount your "absolutely not" argument.

I can buy the album being put out, but I can't buy them finding the plane, pronouncing them all dead and having a huge memorial all in that short time. Not to mention, how long has Naomi been on Penny's ship searching for the island? I can't imagine its been less than a week or something short... :shrug:

I don't know how long it takes to send a robot camera down a trench in the middle of the Pacific and I don't think it will take weeks.

So to me the timeline may be a little on the convenient side, but it's not unrealistic.

Here's my take on what happened.....the plane goes down and it's announced that Charlie was one of the passengers. DS's hit song immediately goes back into heavy rotation around the World and it becomes Itunes most downloaded song ever. The record company immediately issues several DS tunes that were never put on any albums.....the demand grows for DS material and the record company releases the new material in a "Greatest Hits" package....Charlie the "dead" Rock Star sells more songs in 3 months than the previous years combined.

I can believe it.

:)

Well, the lot of you clearly don't have as much imagination as music company execs. It wouldn't matter if the band was lame, they would be able to produce a "best of" album, which probably also included live covers and things like that, within a few weeks of learning about Charlie's death.

Do you remember when Diana died and Elton John had a reworded version of Candle in the Wind ready in time for her funeral? Best-selling single of all time or something like that. And that actually required some writing.

I have two words for you, Tupak Shakur! The poor guy has been dead for years and is STILL releasing records!

Ok, I'm officially convinced wikipedia has a category for everything:

List of Works Published Posthumously (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_published_posthumously):

A quick scan on the Music category show this musician died in May, and the album released in August:
Closer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closer_%28Joy_Division_album%29), in August 1980, after the suicide of Joy Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_Division) lead singer Ian Curtis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Curtis) on May 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_17) of that year. The remaining members of Joy Division later went on to form New Order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order).

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced that it's the breaking factor in a time line twist.

As for the time it would take Penny to set up a listening post and all that... Penny was looking for Desmond who actually HAS been on the island for 3 years, so I'm not sure how that could contribute to any theories about the timeline. If I'm missing something really obvious feel free to bonk me on the head LOL

A "greatest hits" album can easily come out in a matter of days, but I do not believe that one was released for driveshaft. Nor do I believe that the wreckage of Oceanic 815 was found in the bottom of the ocean, nor do I believe that there is fake wreckage planted. It seems to me that Naomi was doing a bit of ego stroking on Charlie. I do not believe that she is who she says she is. The ego stroke is step one towards manipulation.......

Well when Dimbag Darrel was shot and killed, my son had a guitar that was released ( a remake of one that he used on stage) Inside of a month.

Now granted he has some music connections so he got his a little early, but still the guitar was made and released in a very short amount of time.

Remixing songs that were already published wouldn't take any time at all. Plus just the fact that charlie was missing would up the record sales. They would jump even more after he was confirmed dead.

Maney people have memorials for people whos bodies have not been found. After 2 weeks of missing, I think family would assume he was dead and put him to rest in any way they could.

Never in the history of music would an Record company be so rude as to try and cash in 2 months after the guy was found dead.
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Your kidding right?
This actually made me laugh. This is done ALL the time.

I can see them putting out a record of already recorded songs in a short period of time. I just don't see a greatest hit CD of a band that had two albums and only one hit. I still find it odd that they release "Classic Masters" compilations from bands that only had two albums like Blind Melon.

nothing to do with the album but, i liked in the conversation how they mentioned the night & day cafe in manchester. made me feel special, having seen gigs there & all. haha.

If Noel or Liam Gallagher from Oasis had died after "Definitely Maybe", I'm sure that Sony UK would find a way within days to re-release the album with an additional bonus track or two, and it would have gone multiplatinum in the UK.

I can see them putting out a record of already recorded songs in a short period of time. I just don't see a greatest hit CD of a band that had two albums and only one hit. I still find it odd that they release "Classic Masters" compilations from bands that only had two albums like Blind Melon.

I get what you are saying about the band only having one hit. While it's funny that they would make a greatist hits album, it's still believable. They think Charlie is dead and it's well known that people are always trying to make money off of people that die.
They think Charlie is dead, so they struck while the iron was still hot. i could see an album coming out in 3 months.

I don't know how long it takes to send a robot camera down a trench in the middle of the Pacific and I don't think it will take weeks.

So to me the timeline may be a little on the convenient side, but it's not unrealistic.Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.

2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....

We had an invisible man in a chair last week, and this is what you label unrealistic?;)

I don't really have much for this topic though, just had to get that i.;)

That's hilarious! :biggrin:

I was going to say, Like heck!, myself. Tupac is still making albums.

Its not plausible..its never happened and I suspect it never will. It hasnt even happened on a person dying from old age...certainly not a plane crash

Hate to break it to you, but I'm a musician myself, toured since I was 17 (27 now) and put out a few records. It's very plausable. Just because it hasn't happened yet in the real world that we know of doesn't negate that fact.

I can pull 12 masters of songs i've done and get them to duplication in a single day. Depending on the quantity, you're looking at a week to a month turn around. Mock up and printing of cover art can go concurrently, and take about the same time. Then it's shipping and set up at distro.

It's not hard and can happen if you have the money and the right back up, which I'd assume any major has.

We had an invisible man in a chair last week, and this is what you label unrealistic?;)

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I can see them putting out a record of already recorded songs in a short period of time. I just don't see a greatest hit CD of a band that had two albums and only one hit. I still find it odd that they release "Classic Masters" compilations from bands that only had two albums like Blind Melon.

i can't say i've paid much attention the the charlie/driveshaft storylines, but my impression is that they had one BIG hit, and two albums. so probably at least 5-6 relatively low-charting singles. been trying to think of an equivalent real-life band and the best i can do is The Hives ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hives ). 2 albums, one big (international) hit and a greatest hits complilation, followed by another album.

After Stevie Ray Vaughn died in a helicopter crash in 8/1990, Family Style (a recording made with his brother Jimmy Vaughn) was released a month later.

The record company told the family they were holding him to his contract to put out 3 more releases.

After scouring the "vaults", the first of these, The Sky is Crying, was issued in November 1991 and included previously unreleased SRV tracks.

"The Real Deal: Greatest Hits Volume 2" was released in 1999.
(He had previously released a "Greatest Hits")

Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Did they really? I mean, chances of surviving a plane crash in the Pacific Ocean are rather slim, after all, and the record company could have started planning a Greatest Hits record the moment they found out Charlie had been on the plane - and in the news... That's the perfect time to make some money with the back catalogue without spending too much money on promotion! :rolleyes:

Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.

2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....

People know as soon as the airline releases the flight manifest who was on the plane - that's done within hours or days of the plane crash. People would have been having their own private memorial services within days of the plane being lost.

It is not unreasonable that an album would be on the shelves within 3 weeks of the plane crash. Companies that stand to make a buck off of tragedy do it when the tragedy is still on peoples minds.

Back in Black was recorded and released by AC/DC in 5 months following Bon Scott's Death and that was all new material. Any greedy record company exec. worth his salt could turn a "Greatest Hits" out in 3 months. IMHO

We had an invisible man in a chair last week, and this is what you label unrealistic?

Tupac is still making albums.

Maybe Jacob is Tupac...:biggrin:

Hey guys


Never in the history of music would an Record company be so rude as to try and cash in 2 months after the guy was found dead.

Umm...I gotta disagree with this. Most Record companies care about 1 thing and 1 thing only.........Money. Absolutely a Record company would do this. And a greatest hits album is not that hard to put together now. Everything is already recorded and most studios are pretty much digital now.

But the way Naomi said "it was a big hit" or somehting to that extent, made it sound like it was a while ago. It struck me when she said it, without doing any math, that it was some time ago. Does anyone have the transcript of the conversation?

I get what you are saying about the band only having one hit. While it's funny that they would make a greatist hits album, it's still believable. They think Charlie is dead and it's well known that people are always trying to make money off of people that die.
They think Charlie is dead, so they struck while the iron was still hot. i could see an album coming out in 3 months.

i agree with you on that one. of course they have to strike while the iron is hot. in order to make any money, the record label would have to release an album fairly quickly before interest died out (no pun intended). at the time when charlie "died" the band hadnt played in how long? prolly a few years. meaning they might have a small dedicated fanbase..but not many new fans. interest in him would peak in the first few months after his death. but one could assume that interest would wan fairly quickly bc he wasnt a big rock star. and the music industry is cutthroat. they care about making money.

interesting that so many people brought up tupac. dont a lot of conspiracy theorists say he isnt really dead? :rolleyes: kinda like charlie. anyways..just thought id point it out.

either its been more than 3 months or the writers messed up by adding what Naomi said in the script... i did get the feeling while Naomi was talking that its been more than just 3 months.. maybe just an error..

Count me in as one who finds it strange that the album would come out so soon ...especially considering that the search would take at least a month if not more. It would be hard to identify those bodies as well. Something fishy is going on here. I would have expected Charlie to wonder about that except that he was so happy to be missed and was worried about his impending doom.

What struck me odd is that previously, we were led to believe that the general public views Liam as the driving force behind Driveshaft, and Charlie just as "that bass player". Now he's suddenly "the dead rock star".

Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.
Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.
2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....

Yes but they weren't finding the real wreckage were they? This was a dummy set up by the Others and they would make sure the wreckage was found. Maybe the Others arranged for a science team to be doing a survey of the ocean floor in that area and they "accidentally" discovered the plane. I wouldn't be surprised if the Others expedited the memorial service and everything else so 815 would drop out of the world's spotlight as quickly as possible.

That said I do think time is out of whack in some way.

The transcript isn't up on Lostpedia yet.

What struck me odd is that previously, we were led to believe that the general public views Liam as the driving force behind Driveshaft, and Charlie just as "that bass player". Now he's suddenly "the dead rock star".

But isn't that how things happen all the time? When someone vaguely famous dies (Anna Nicole Smith, anyone?) they immediately rocket to superstardom with the whole world (or maybe it's just us Americans) acting like they have been super famous forever. Just a thought.

Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.

2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....

Yes..thanks..thats my point..its just too quick..she said the album was seen everywhere and it also seemed like something she was recalling from more than a few months ago.

Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.

2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....


Why did they have to find the wreckage or count the passengers? As soon as the plane went down over the ocean and wasn't located within days everyone on the manifest would be assumed dead. Surely Hurley, the lottery winner, and Charlie, the somewhat rockstar, would be shot to stardom in the media. A Greatest Hits makes even more sense because it still cashes in even if Charlie survives the ordeal. It would be more weird to make a memorial album for someone not confirmed dead.

:shrug:

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You figure it would be at least a month before camera's got down to the 4 mile down wreckage site.. At thats at an absolute minimum--considering it most likely took much longer than a month to even locate a plane that far of course and in the deepest part of the ocean.

That is why I think a couple maybe 5 years have gone by in the outside world

I get the feeling its 3 years because they keep mentioning 3 years in relation to Desmond and Juliet

There have also been specific times mentioned. I think it was 3 years 2 months and 28 days--Juliet told Jack. You have to think why so specific?

We also found out that the day 815 crashed was exactly 3 years for Juliet. Why mention this?

Juliet arrived on 9/22/2001

If you look at the timeline..you'll also see that it does not match with when she told Jack 3-2-28. It's like 3 weeks off

We also have Ben the Liar saying he was talking to Albert on 9/22/04--yet he puts on headphones so Jult and US cannot hear him. WHY put on headphones? Why make a point to say its live? We see her sister has a full head of hair---of course she survived--so why the specific date?

And we also have Syaid saying the phone is technology that is more advanced than anything he has ever seen. Fine--could be--but WHY put it in the script?

So there is plenty to go on here. It could all be to throw us off..but make no mistake its there to tell us something.

Why would we even worry about something so trivial...unless it's a clue that Niomi is a big fat liar!

What struck me odd is that previously, we were led to believe that the general public views Liam as the driving force behind Driveshaft, and Charlie just as "that bass player". Now he's suddenly "the dead rock star".

Exactly! I think it's either a huge gap in logic, or a clue that Naomi's lying.

I could understand if Charlie were the lead singer, or if the entire band had been on the plane... but I don't think the death of Charlie himself would have had that much of a reaction.

Is there precedent either way? Anybody know of any time a non-lead member of a band (guitarist, bassist, drummer, keyboardist, whatever) died, and how the reaction was, either way?

Exactly! I think it's either a huge gap in logic, or a clue that Naomi's lying.

I could understand if Charlie were the lead singer, or if the entire band had been on the plane... but I don't think the death of Charlie himself would have had that much of a reaction.

Is there precedent either way? Anybody know of any time a non-lead member of a band (guitarist, bassist, drummer, keyboardist, whatever) died, and how the reaction was, either way?

Randy Roads is the only one I can think of. He was Ozzie lead guiartist after he left Black Sabbath. It was a big deal in the Hard Rock community when he died. He was considered extremely gifted and was very young.

Randy Roads is the only one I can think of. He was Ozzie lead guiartist after he left Black Sabbath. It was a big deal in the Hard Rock community when he died. He was considered extremely gifted and was very young.Ironically, Randy Rhoads died in a plane crash as well. There were no Greatest hits albums or huge memorials right away as far as I recall. (Of course he died on land and his body was found immediately)

Hey guys


You figure it would be at least a month before camera's got down to the 4 mile down wreckage site.. At thats at an absolute minimum--considering it most likely took much longer than a month to even locate a plane that far of course and in the deepest part of the ocean.

Never in the history of music would an Record company be so rude as to try and cash in 2 months after the guy was found dead.

My guess is we are 3 years behind the world because thats the amount of time that keeps being mentioned by Desmond and Juliet.

Remember, Penny also needed time to setup a search team, listening post ect.

Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.

2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....

Yes but they weren't finding the real wreckage were they? This was a dummy set up by the Others and they would make sure the wreckage was found. Maybe the Others arranged for a science team to be doing a survey of the ocean floor in that area and they "accidentally" discovered the plane. I wouldn't be surprised if the Others expedited the memorial service and everything else so 815 would drop out of the world's spotlight as quickly as possible.

That said I do think time is out of whack in some way.

You all are assuming that Naomi is telling the truth. I am of the opinion that there was 'no' wreckage at the bottom of a four foot trench but instead it was all completely and totally faked. Fake video feeds..CGI..fake 'team' that found it. Widmore had the money and could do it.

I'm not even sure she's telling the truth to Charlie about 'being the dead rock star'.

Call me cynical and skeptical.

You all are assuming that Naomi is telling the truth. I am of the opinion that there was 'no' wreckage at the bottom of a four foot trench but instead it was all completely and totally faked. Fake video feeds..CGI..fake 'team' that found it. Widmore had the money and could do it.

I'm not even sure she's telling the truth to Charlie about 'being the dead rock star'.

Call me cynical and skeptical.Actually, those are our arguments that she can't possibly be telling the truth! ;) I don't trust her as far as I could throw her.

Never in the history of music would an Record company be so rude as to try and cash in 2 months after the guy was found dead.


sorry but you are wrong.

what takes the time in releasing a record is the promotion, because the monthlies work a long time ahead of schedule.
charlie's promotion was already done, because he had died in a planecrash and been in the news, therefore the record company would ride on the back of that and get the album out ASAP.
and a record company would do anything to make money - especially if they had an advance to recoup because the band in question had p***ed all the money up the wall.

think about the tv x-factor type competitions. the winners have been on telly for weeks - the best promotion you can get - their single is out very soon after the competition and is a guaranteed hit.

Its not plausible..its never happened and I suspect it never will. It hasnt even happened on a person dying from old age...certainly not a plane crash
It has happened...
Joey Ramone, Joe Strummer, John Denver, Kurt Cobain are just a few who had record sales go way up upon their death, sparking new albums of previously unreleased material, rare studio sessions, live performances and even greatest hits. It is plausible and it has happened.

If what Naomi said is true, then she knows alot about the passengers. Depending on how avid she is as a consumer of news, then she knows about Hurley's great wealth and his stays in the psych ward, that Kate is a murderer, that Locke was paralyzed. Maybe she even read that Sayid was part of a terrorist cell (but authorities may not have released information clarifying that he was an informant and not an actual terrorist).

That Charlie is an even bigger star in his presumed death is the least of the things Naomi knows.

Is it bad that I found it a bit funny that they made a Greatest Hits album for a band with just two albums and only one hit song... I think this may be evidence that they didn't make a Greatest Hits album for DriveShaft. Naomi is lying.

I don't think that the wreckage had to be found for the record to be released as I see it as soon as the disappearance of flight 815 hit the news there would be a big buzz about it, hours later the passengers list would go public if not all of it, I'm sure that the news would be sure to mention that a tragic rock star was in that flight, even if Charlie hadn't that status prior the incident, we all know how well this dramatic stories of truncates lifes sells. The honchos in the discographic are no fools so they'd try to sell again what the sold once, Drive Shaft's one and only hit, and I'm sure it would become a super hit in matter of days, people just love some morbid story. Once the hit has become a re hit the field is ready for some Charlie Pace/ Drive Shaft biopics, greatest hits, documentals...

About how lame is to make a greatest hits album of band with just one hit... well all you have to do is go to your nearest music store and check some of those so called greatest hits, you'd be surprised of how many bands with just two albums and no big hit have one.

That said, It really seemed to me that Naomi was talking about events happened long ago, OR it could be that she hadn't related what she had heard about the crash in the news with what she's living now, after all she was looking for our losties, she just bumped into them... her reaction could mean surprise for not having connected the dots before. She could had been to busy about her own life and the news about the crash wasn't her top priority, in her eyes (if what she says is true) the island, Desmond and flight 815 are things completely unrelated.

How many CD's did DS make from what I think there greatest hits would have been a single, you know that song "you all everybody" I could be wrong but it's the only song we ever hear.

Shauni is right, The shops are full of "greatest hits"/"best of"/ The Singles etc.. from bands with only 2 albums to their names.

Also what happens very often is that an artists or band will release their first recordings with an independant record label, but then get snapped up by a major label once they make it big. In the past what has happened is the independant label still own the recordings and feeling bitter about losing a potential cash cow will do their best to cash in on the early recordings, greatest hits packages are prime examples of this. You will find countless examples of this thoughout music history.

And the question about timing is mute, If a plane went down today and there was not trace of it within 3-4 days then everyone on board would be presumed dead. There is no doubt of this, there would have been memorials for all the passengers within 2 weeks of the crash and they would be down as 'missing, presumed dead'. There will already be insurance payouts, Hurleys parents will be in court to get hold of his money, and the fact that a rock star was on the plane would mean that interest in the crash would produce releases of dirveshaft music as quickly as the studio could get them out.

Anyone who thinks any different is living in **MOD edited** land to be honest!

I would say... Yes way!

Money makes the world go round, the world go round, the world go round.....
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How many CD's did DS make from what I think there greatest hits would have been a single, you know that song "you all everybody" I could be wrong but it's the only song we ever hear.

What about 'Monster Ate Pilot'?;)

If a plane went down today and there was not trace of it within 3-4 days then everyone on board would be presumed dead. There is no doubt of this, there would have been memorials for all the passengers within 2 weeks of the crash and they would be down as 'missing, presumed dead'. There will already be insurance payouts, Hurleys parents will be in court to get hold of his money, and the fact that a rock star was on the plane would mean that interest in the crash would produce releases of dirveshaft music as quickly as the studio could get them out.

Anyone who thinks any different is living in cloud cuckoo land to be honest!I think you are wrong about that. There must be a legal time limit (probably depending on the state of residence) before they presume an individual dead. I don't know what the details would be exactly, so I couldn't argue the point with you. (I do know, however that Lacy Peterson -totally different circumstances- had been missing for many months {like 6+} before they'd even consider letting anyone sell her property or make a claim on her life insurance.)
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Okay, I took a few minutes and researched it. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia)

Facts, circumstances, and the "balance of probabilities"
In most common law and civil code jurisdictions, it is usually necessary to obtain a court order directing the registrar to issue a death certificate in the absence of a physician's certification that an identified individual has died. However, if there is circumstantial evidence which would lead a reasonable person to believe that the individual is deceased on the balance of probabilities, jurisdictions may agree to issue death certificates without any such order. For example, passengers and crew of the Titanic who were not rescued by the RMS Carpathia were declared legally dead soon after the Carpathia's arrival at New York City. More recently, death certificates for those who perished in the September 11, 2001 attacks were issued by the State of New York within days of the tragedy. The same is usually true of soldiers missing after a major battle, especially if the enemy keeps an accurate record of its prisoners of war.

If there is not sufficient evidence that death has taken place, it may take somewhat longer, as simple absence does not necessarily prove death. The requirements for declaring an individual legally dead may vary depending on numerous details, including:

the jurisdiction in which the individual lived before death;
the jurisdiction in which he or she is presumed to have died;
how the individual is thought to have died (murder, suicide, accident, etc.);
the balance of probabilities making it more likely than not that the individual is dead.

Most countries have a set period of time (seven years in many common law jurisdictions) after which an individual is presumed to be dead if there is no evidence to the contrary. However, if the missing individual is the owner of a significant estate, the court may delay ordering a death certificate to be issued if there has been no real effort to locate the missing person. If the death is thought to have taken place in international waters or in a location without a centralized and reliable police force and/or vital statistics registration system, other laws may be in effect.

wow, this thread is still going?!?!?
guess i'm not helping much by posting.

In a world where an Island exists hidden to the outside world, where
smoke monsters scan your brains, the dead re-appear, handicaps are
cured, pasts are conjured, giant talking birds swoop down, polar bears
run wild, fertility experiment go wrong, magnetic pulses are released through
a crappy computer, the future is for seen, slave ships turn up the jungle and
a man named Jacob appears for a brief second.... why is it so unbelievable that
some crappy band had a greatest hits record?! greatest hits is such a loose term
anyhow, could be recording sessions, remixes, acoustic work, live tracks.

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Yeah, but they had to find the wreckage first.

Let's say:

2 weeks to find wreckage (and that is seriously unrealistic)
1 week to send cameras down to survey damage and count passengers.
1 more week to arrainge a 'huge' memorial service after pronouncing everyone dead.
2 weeks for the Greatest Hits album to be released.

2 weeks the minimum amount of time Naomi is on a ship in the middle of nowhere.

Thats 2 months and being seriously generous with the time. I guess it could've happened that way, but I'm seriously doubting it....
As has been brought up many times, the plane that was "found" was a fake. The writers have debunked the "purgatory" theory, so it means that the Losties are not dead and the island is not some kind of afterlife. We have seen the wreckage of the plane ourselves, and it is not at the bottom of the ocean.

No one looking for Flight 815 found the "fake wreckage". It was planted and meant to be found. Part of my own pet theory is that the remnants of DI/HF (Mittelwerk?) planted a "fake wreckage", set up some "fake research team" to do deepsea surveying in that area, and made sure the team's remote subversibles "found" the "fake wreckage".

What you could be wondering about, some things which add to the future mysteries of the show, are (a) How did the remnants of DI/HF know that the Losties crashed on the island? Are they still able to monitor it from afar, unknown to "The Others"? ...and... (b) Have they sent someone to check things out? Is that what Naomi is lying about, or was Naomi really sent by Penny? Is there a ship Naomi doesn't know about on its way, full of people who mean the Losties (and "The Others", and Penny") harm?

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I think you are wrong about that. There must be a legal time limit (probably depending on the state of residence) before they presume an individual dead. I don't know what the details would be exactly, so I couldn't argue the point with you. (I do know, however that Lacy Peterson -totally different circumstances- had been missing for many months {like 6+} before they'd even consider letting anyone sell her property or make a claim on her life insurance.)


mmmm... But yet the information you have provided from wiki actually agrees with me!!

If there is circumstantial evidence which would lead a reasonable person to believe that the individual is deceased on the balance of probabilities, jurisdictions may agree to issue death certificates without any such order. For example, passengers and crew of the Titanic who were not rescued by the RMS Carpathia were declared legally dead soon after the Carpathia's arrival at New York City. More recently, death certificates for those who perished in the September 11, 2001 attacks were issued by the State of New York within days of the tragedy.

This tells me that there is no doubt that all passengers would be presumed dead very quickly just as i stated. As soon as the plane had been officially missing it would be presumed crashed into the ocean, after a couple of days with no evidence of wreckage, transponder or radio contact then there would be enough circumstantial evidence to allow death certificates to be issued. So i am struggling to understand your point??

Wasn't Charlie going to LA because the record company wanted them to re-form DriveShaft? Perhaps they already had a "Greatest Hits" compilation in the works for that. (And just because we have only heard ONE song, doesn't mean they didn't have other hits......they were touring large venues, weren't they?)

johnny cash's body wasn't even cold and record producers were putting together greatest hits packages and tribute albums. anna nicole's body had not been released from the coroner's and casting to play her in a movie had already begun.

just two real life examples of other people cashing in on a celebrity's death in the immediate aftermath of their demise.

Never in the history of music would an Record company be so rude as to try and cash in 2 months after the guy was found dead.



SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong.

You should see the show Entourage.

-Exodus

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong.

You should see the show Entourage.

-Exodus


Not wrong..its never happened..ever. I've been recording a long long time. It would take more than a month to even sign a contract on this album. It would take a mimimum of 1 month to sign the contracts for Mastering, Actually make the decisions on Artwork, tracklist, distribution, and advertising...that not even counting the time to book the Mastering house, deliver the source tracks, actually Master it, and then send it to printing, have it printed, packaged, and sent to stores

Whoever mentioned Johnny cash...uhhh..johnny Cash wasnt missing ...hahahaha. Come on people. You cant start any process involving a Greatest hits album when the person whose "go ahead" you need to start is missing. So it has to happen after they found the bodies--and that is gonna be months

The whole senario is not plausible for the time given.

My guess is ...........a Greatest hits album from a guy who died in a plane crash, where the plane was missing, the bodies were found off course, 4 miles down, in the deepest part of the ocean, where they had to conduct the most sophisticated underwater search known to man, is at least a year to hit the stores.:biggrin:

I'm not sure I want time on the island to move differently, so I'm going for contrived and unrealistic time issues. I don't care at all though, I don't take this stuff that seriously.

I think it's possible that a greatest hits album could come out so soon,as mentioned in another post the Princess Diana single was out days after her death,and the fact that when someone dies merchandise on that person becomes more valuable/in demand ,which could explain the record company trying to cash in .... even on a one hit wonder band.

I think maybe iTunes could hurry it along.

You cant start any process involving a Greatest hits album when the person whose "go ahead" you need to start is missing. So it has to happen after they found the bodies--and that is gonna be months

Truth is that I don't know too much about music industry, but given the case, I don't think that the record company needs any explicit go ahead if there is signed contract between band and said company. Maybe Drive Shaft had a signed contract with their company attaching them for, let's say, four records, the bad released their two first ones and given that they didn't sold too well, the company decides to put the two remaining records on a hold. Charlie goes missing, a great deal about it is made and the company sees the perfect opportunity to resume the deal with Drive Shaft.

Another scenario is that since Drive Shaft is a band and not a single person, they have some king of statutes saying that just a number of votes are needed for resolutions, so Charlie's go ahead or not isn't needed. The songs maybe not Charlie's, we don't know who registered them. He could had been payed for his royalties, and all nice and legal.

Wasn't Charlie going to LA because the record company wanted them to re-form DriveShaft? Perhaps they already had a "Greatest Hits" compilation in the works for that. (And just because we have only heard ONE song, doesn't mean they didn't have other hits......they were touring large venues, weren't they?)

They weren't going to be the headlining band, but yes. Charlie was talking to execs about reforming DriveShaft and going on tour, which is why he went to Syndey in the first place--to convince Liam to rejoin the band. Charlie could have had new material, songs he was working on, when he met with the execs and/or his brother. It's possible that he was already planning a "greatest hits" type album, and that a couple "new" songs would have appeared as well. It wouldn't be the only time that "all new, never released" material has shown up on a hits cd.

Remember when JFK jr's plane went down. News channels and the biography channel wasted no time putting together compilations of his life, no confirmation that he was dead yet. That took a couple days.

This greatest hits album is all about money. No reason they should wait until death is confirmed to put out the album. If he is getting oodles of press and lots of airplay the smartest business decision for the record company to make is to release a greatest hits album yesterday. Makes perfect sense to me.

ZOMG New theory! Charlie's label caused the crash to make money outa his death! ZOMG CAPITALIST CONSPIRACY!

I get what you're saying and all but, a record label would definitely cash in on someone's death as soon as possible. A death brings a band back into the light and they know there's money to be had.