The title on the Darma diagram is "The Looking Glass Hatch".... Hello??? The only reason the 815ers called The Swan station "the hatch" is because for the first season the only part of it they knew of was the hatch that Locke found. After that, the name stuck, and they started calling all the stations "hatches". It would make no sense for Darma to call a station a "hatch," and we know that they in fact call them "stations."

I know, I lol when I saw the word hatch on the schematic.

Kind of a silly blunder. Do we know for sure that no DHARMA/Hostiles have ever referred to any station as a "hatch"?

I really hope there's an explanation for that unlike the X-rays from a few weeks ago.

The diagram also doesn't match what we see of the station when Charlie is diving down to it.

The diagram depicts a donut shaped station with the moon pool structure in the center. The thing Charlie saw was two parallel cylinders, one larger than the other.

The diagram also has a scale at the bottom, measured in miles... Nothing on the paper could be anything close to this scale...

I'm thinking this 'schematic' is really some concept sketches by the producers, then some prop people threw some equations, graphs, and maybe a scale or two on there for good measure, and gave it to Sayid.... I don't think the model builders were working from the same blueprints...

Daft? Maybe. But if you think about it....In Alice's adventures, the looking glass is a portal to another strange world, not the world itself. So maybe what we see here is just the entrance or exit between worlds.

Well, remember the medical station had a door labeled "escape hatch". Maybe that leads to The Looking Glass, and that's why they call it the hatch.

Could someone post a screen cap of the schematic Please?

There's one here if you scroll down:
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Totally agree with you. Why wasn't it called "Looking Glass Station?"

Someone in the props department either screwed up or something. Even if I were one of the actors, like Naveen, or Matthew, I'd be like....Hey! Why does this say hatch??

Good catch, but as far as goof-ups go, it's not a tremendous one. ***Mod edited to remove rude comments***

Thanks MPmom.

I don't think it was a mistake - it seems aptly named..

If you consider that a hatch can be a secret passageway- which I believe the Looking Glass will turn out to be. This might be the trapdoor to "the other side" whatever that may be. Or if you consider that a hatch is something on a ship or underwater vessel.... Or if you consider it's an escape hatch of sorts..

The stations may have been called "stations" because they are working environments. The Looking Glass probably doesn't have anyone performing tasks. Just guarding the hatch.

from wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapdoor)
An exposed trapdoor could also be called a hatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch), although hatches may not be necessarily horizontal. Many buildings with flat roofs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof) have hatches that provide access to the roof; on ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship), hatches provide access to the deck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deck_%28ship%29). A small door in a wall, floor or ceiling used to gain access to equipment is called an access hatch.

Hidden trapdoors occasionally appear in fiction, either as entrances to secret passageways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_passage), or as literal traps into which a hapless pedestrian may fall if he or she happens to stand on one.

If it is, it's just a funny little slip-up and nothing woth getting worked up over. These TV folks are people too and make mistakes :-)

I agree.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=79932

Sayid and Juliet called it a station.

Is this bugging anyone else? The reason the Losties called all of the stations "hatches" was because the Swan Station became known as one when Locke actually discovered a hatch (an opening that serves as an entryway to something) buried underground. The Dharma stations are not actually "hatches," they are bunkers, underground structures, and buildings. So we find out in Greatest Hits that there is an underwater station called the "Looking Glass HATCH."

That would be like the Others actually calling themselves "the Others."

You're exactly right, hahahaha.

It was only called a hatch because they only worked with the door for all of season 1. It's a station.

It's bugged me since season 2 when they still referred to Swan Station as a "hatch." The hatch is the entry that led into the station, it's not the station itself. Anymore than a house is a "door" because you go through a door to get inside. Yet they continue to call it and subsequent stations "hatches." Bleh.

good point. who called it a hatch? could they have heard locke and felt it appropriate. sounds about right. i might call it a hatch even if i never heard him say it. i probly wouldn't call the looking glass a hatch. its more of a station.

It was written "hatch" on the map thingies. Maybe those were made up?

i thought the hatch was what they blew up in season 1.

what the hatch opens to, is a station

I'm waiting for one of the "deeper thinkers" to say something like "well did you ever stop to think how Locke knew they were called hatches?" Locke IS Jacob!!!

:)

"How do you open a hatch- with no handle, no latch?"

It rhymes, I like that. haha.

It just doesnt make sense, they should have called it the station.

Just like the Medical Station or the Pearl Station, I think it was a screw up.

It was written "hatch" on the map thingies. Maybe those were made up?

It sure does.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1291-306.html

I'm pretty sure that "hatch" is just the term that the writers use for these things so that the viewer will instantly know what's being referred to. But, it's definately not something DHARMA would call them. LOL That's too funny.

Well, it seems that the terms "Hatch" and "Station" are used fairly interchangably, albeit incorrectly. Who am I to argue with the 815ers though?

Maybe the entire Looking Glass structure is a hatch, leading to some other place. Just like Alice's looking glass.

There are several threads discussing this already. In those threads I responded with this idea:
A hatch is an opening or portal leading into or out of something. So although this looks like a structure, maybe it is much more than what it appears. Perhaps it is a portal, or hatch to the outside world.
So Jack & Juliet were going to leave the island via submarine before Locke blew it up. But that sub was going to take them to The Looking Glass. And maybe the coordinates Michael and Walt were given led them to a location where the sub would pick them up and take them to the Looking Glass. It's the only SAFE way in and out of the island. The Island's "escape hatch."
What happens to transport people between the Looking Glass and the outside world is a whole new mystery.

There are several threads discussing this already. In those threads I responded with this idea:
A hatch is an opening or portal leading into or out of something. So although this looks like a structure, maybe it is much more than what it appears. Perhaps it is a portal, or hatch to the outside world.
So Jack & Juliet were going to leave the island via submarine before Locke blew it up. But that sub was going to take them to The Looking Glass. And maybe the coordinates Michael and Walt were given led them to a location where the sub would pick them up and take them to the Looking Glass. It's the only SAFE way in and out of the island. The Island's "escape hatch."
What happens to transport people between the Looking Glass and the outside world is a whole new mystery.

Ah, poo, I thought I actually had an original idea. :)

Is this bugging anyone else? The reason the Losties called all of the stations "hatches" was because the Swan Station became known as one when Locke actually discovered a hatch (an opening that serves as an entryway to something) buried underground. The Dharma stations are not actually "hatches," they are bunkers, underground structures, and buildings. So we find out in Greatest Hits that there is an underwater station called the "Looking Glass HATCH."

That would be like the Others actually calling themselves "the Others."

IMO, hatch is the term the Losties used because thats what locke said he found, "a hatch". the term became the name of what locke found, therefore, when a Lostie wanted to talk about the swan, they would naturally call it "THE hatch".

also, when they found the swan, the Losties had no idea there were more stations.

but since then, the Losties have gathered a HUGE amount of info about DHARMA and their Stations.

so, to sum up, and also IMO, the printed name of the looking glass on map of the station is an oversight.

seems like the prop dept. got used to calling all the stations hatches too.
100%
Ah, poo, I thought I actually had an original idea. :)

Plato said there are no original ideas.

Yeah, it bugged me too. They called it "The Hatch" because the first part of it they discovered was the hatch.

But we've seen the word "Hatch" in a Dharma station once before too... in Maternity Leave last season:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-980-352.html

I do think the Looking Glass schematic would have been better labeled "Station" instead of "Hatch". But who knows...?

Yeah, it bugged me too. They called it "The Hatch" because the first part of it they discovered was the hatch.

But we've seen the word "Hatch" in a Dharma station once before too... in Maternity Leave last season:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-980-352.html

I do think the Looking Glass schematic would have been better labeled "Station" instead of "Hatch". But who knows...?

there it's being used properly. an escape hatch is probly what lock found. the escape hatch for the swan.

Sounds like a prop error to me...but the attention to detail in this series makes you wonder. Am I wrong, or is Locke the first who referred to one of the stations as a "hatch"? Is is possible that is just a coincidence, i.e., that "Hatch" is also an apt term for an underwater station?

I don't think it's a mistake. Most people who watch the show (not us crazy fanatics on here) know these things as hatches because the actors are always saying the word. It's the way dharma stations are referred to and lets the standard viewer make an immediate connection once seeing that blueprint that is not on the screen for very long. I'm not sure... would have to watch again but i think Sayid called it a hatch as well?

The thing is, Desmond calls stations 'hatches' all the time, and Ben does too. Ben doesn't talk about them much so I can't think of any examples right now, but Desmond said it again in this very episode ("You're in a hatch, surrounded by equipment, etc").

It's pretty clear that the writers just think of these things as 'hatches' because of Season 1, and it just doesn't occur to them that there's absolutely no reason for anyone who wasn't involved with the hatch storyline in S1 (Locke, Jack, Sayid, and Kate pretty much) to say 'hatch', ever, ever.

Also, in regards to the notion that it's not a goof because the Looking Glass Station is a teleport hub or something: even if it were, why is it not a goof for Desmond and others to use the word 'hatch' when talking about the Pearl or the Swan? Just because they actually have hatches? Like, it'd make sense for me to call my house 'the door' just because that's the way I get into it?

Locke drew that diagram

they are not distances, they are depths, and the units are meters (m) not miles (mi). big deifference.

Prop errors? cause the cast is calling them "hatches" C'mon! No way...

1. The Station Charlie is in, didn't have the same symbol on it, and isn't even the right shape, the scematic's Sayid had were of a donut shaped station.

2. I agree the losties call the dharma station "hatches" which is exactly why this is a setup from the Others, I think they planted that for them to find... and labeling it a "Hatch" is tipping the clue.

Looking on the Lost Easter Egg site for screen caps,

The real question is What station is Charlie in?

Yeah, simulatedbear, I was going to mention how Desmond has always referred to The Swan as "The Hatch", even though he never once saw the hatch from the outside.

I thought it was a "shout-out" to all the boards were people told people who called it a hatch it was a "station not a hatch!"

Ahahahaha :biggrin:

Yeah, simulatedbear, I was going to mention how Desmond has always referred to The Swan as "The Hatch", even though he never once saw the hatch from the outside.

And That is why I think that it's not an error, it's just what the writers call it so that the viewers instantly know what's meant.

Yeah, simulatedbear, I was going to mention how Desmond has always referred to The Swan as "The Hatch", even though he never once saw the hatch from the outside.

Desmond has only been calling them hatches after hanging around with the 815ers who use the term. I would assume if there are any cases of Others using the term, it would be while talking to 815ers, since that's what the 815ers call them.

1. The Station Charlie is in, didn't have the same symbol on it, and isn't even the right shape, the scematic's Sayid had were of a donut shaped station.

The real question is What station is Charlie in?

I noticed the shape seemed wrong. Here are the only two caps I could come up with quickly:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1291-918.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1291-920.html

I suppose I assumed what was in these shots was a part of the station not shown on what we saw of the plans. What I don't get is what you're driving at about the symbol: Bagua octagon with a white rabbit in the middle of it. Sure, it's missing the little clock on the rabbit's neck, but that doesn't make it a different symbol altogether.

What I think we're looking at, here, is a concept sketch made in production. They needed a plan for Sayid to be looking at, so instead of making an entirely new piece (and paying a graphic designer a heap of money to do so), they just used the concept sketches they already had. So it doesn't look exactly the same as the final production version, and a change was made to the logo before it went to final production. That's why it says "hatch" on it, too, because in production, it would be called what it's called in the script: a "hatch."

And we, of course, are looking at it way too closely. Why? Because that's what we do.

ETA: What I think we're looking at, here, is a concept sketch made in production. They needed a plan for Sayid to be looking at, so instead of making an entirely new piece (and paying a graphic designer a heap of money to do so), they just used the concept sketches they already had. So it doesn't look exactly the same as the final production version, and a change was made to the logo before it went to final production. That's why it says "hatch" on it, too, because in production, it would be called what it's called in the script: a "hatch."
I'm wrong about this -- http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/...ad.php?t=80643 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=80643) -- The Looking Glass plans were, in fact, designed as a prop. Even more interesting, then that they say "hatch" on them.

Just a note: Gregg Nations has confirmed the "Hatch" designation on the diagram was in fact a prop error...

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=80749