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There wasnt even one second in this episode where I thought the Helicoper was not the Others. It seems to me Charlie is gonna die for nothing because Desmond only saw Claire and her baby get on a helicopter--no other info

Yeah that kind of occured to me too. He also only mentioned Claire and the Baby, so that's no garuntee that any of the other Losties get "rescued" by whoever it is. But of course, that's all Charlie really needed to hear to jump into action.

I kind of agree, but I also thought Des might be lying about Claire and Aaron on the helicopter. Des wants the vision to come true so he can see Penny so he wants to give Charlie whatever incentive it takes to make that happen.

I think its a little suspicious that we never got a chance to see Des's flashbacks. He did not give the whole truth in Catch-22. He may not be giving it here either.

I dont think that Desmond is telling the whole story. Not at all.

I think they didn't show the Desmond flashback because it would have been too repetitive. We've already seen several shows centered around his flashbacks. Besides it would have taken the shock away of seeing the Looking Glass station at the end.

I too thought that Des might actually be seeing the Others take Claire. I didn't think he was lying or not telling the whole story so much as that he was ill-informed. If you had flash-forwards like in FBYE, would you be able to interpret them unambiguously?

On the other hand, I still wonder if Desmond really is somehow involved with the Others. The whole Kelvin/Radzinsky thing is suspicious given the Hostiles' purge of the Dharma camp.

So... does this mean that Naomi is an Other? Was that their helicopter we heard? Was the "bloop" splash a food drop to The Looking Glass?

I thought that it could be a helicopter owned by the Others as well. However, having the Others suddenly have a helicopter would be a bit jarring.

But then again, they suddenly had a sub. Yet this was speculated prior to its reveal. However, I have heard nothing about a helicopter. But that doesn't mean much. But then again.... But then again....

Yeah..I just dont see, with the all the island defences that all the sudden they could get rescued without bigger events taking place first

I think what happens is Desmond will learn not to mak rash judgments based on his flashes.

I don't think the writers wanted to show us Desmond's flashes this time, and why would they, it would spoil the season finale.

When Desmond saved Clarie from drowning we didnt see flashes either in fact the only time we ever see Desmons Flashes are when Charlie is going to die when the arrow gets him in the neck Desmond had 3 flashes before that and we dont see them, I dont see the problem with not seeing them this time

The Idea that the Other's may be usign a helicopter occured to me too but I don't think it's realsitic. Ben was adamant that Locke shouldn't blow up the sub as it was essentiual to keep the belief that there was away off the island alive. Then he claimed he was glad because he didn't want to let Julliet and Jack leave.

That means that with the sub gone there is no other way off the island and unless Ben is the only one with knowledge of a helicopter, that lets be reasonable would be difficult to hide, it doesn't seem plausible that The Other's will be using a helicopter.

Even if the helicopter does come for them, you realise that they couldn't fit all of the Losties in to it, so...they take women and childern first.

It would be odd for a helicopter to just rescue Claire and Aaron. The only way I can see it is if there was only enough room for one or two and all the losties choose Claire and Aaron, but then wouldn't they choose Sun to go because she might die.
Anyway I think its possible that they have a helicopter. The helicopter could be used to travel to diff places on the island, helicopters aren't for long distance so the sub would be used to go and come from civilisation aka America, Australia

It would be odd for a helicopter to just rescue Claire and Aaron.

Desmond never said it only rescued Claire and Aaron, he only mentioned that those were who he saw getting into the helicopter. That might mean that Sun and some other of the women(though I doubt Rose would leave without Bernard nor Kate without Sawyer and Jack).

helicopters aren't for long distance

Be that as it may, the Other's are notorious for being able to travel across the Island without so much as a trace. A helicopter isn't exactly the most subtle transportation.

I jsut don't think it makes sense for the Other's to have a helicopter

Naomi's ship is 80 miles away from the island. The helicopter takes them to the ship. Next week, they get rescued. The rest of the show will still take place on the island, except this time it'll be flash forwards to their aftermath, not flashbacks.

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The Idea that the Other's may be usign a helicopter occured to me too but I don't think it's realsitic. Ben was adamant that Locke shouldn't blow up the sub as it was essentiual to keep the belief that there was away off the island alive. Then he claimed he was glad because he didn't want to let Julliet and Jack leave.

That means that with the sub gone there is no other way off the island and unless Ben is the only one with knowledge of a helicopter, that lets be reasonable would be difficult to hide, it doesn't seem plausible that The Other's will be using a helicopter.

Even if the helicopter does come for them, you realise that they couldn't fit all of the Losties in to it, so...they take women and childern first.


I understand what your saying...but your not following this to its logical conclusion. If Claire gets rescued the show is over

As soon as a rescue team brings Claire home we are gonna have the entire World Navy looking for the Island. The dead bodies in Plane 2 plot is over and so is Penny's part in the search. So it all collapses

Thats why I didnt think for a minute it was a real rescue helicopter.

We have to stop thinking so small. We havnt even scratchd the surface of whats going on here. Limiting this to Ben and what he says or even knows is forgetting we have 3 seasons left. I dont think ben even mkakes it into season 4 and the entire theme is gonna get even more complicated.

But............you may be right.:biggrin: :biggrin: . I dont totally disagree with you

About the helicopter rescue, Desmond never said WHEN Claire would be rescued. It could happen in 4 weeks, 8 months, 15 years, etc.
And if the Others have a helicopter, why haven't they been using it before to go from one island to the other one for example? It would have been a lot more comfy for Ben to have been trasnported by heli than by ship after his surgery.

It would be odd for a helicopter to just rescue Claire and Aaron. The only way I can see it is if there was only enough room for one or two and all the losties choose Claire and Aaron, but then wouldn't they choose Sun to go because she might die.
Well, hmmm, if the helicopter came from Naomi's ship, looking for Naomi, I think it's quite possible that they would extract Claire and Aaron. They would want to get the baby out of there, and they would have to take the baby's mother, too. Good point about Sun, but she hasn't told anyone she's going to die. Only she and Juliet know. And she's pretty selfless, too, so I could see her letting Claire and Aaron go without saying anything. This seems especially possible since she has about two months, and might expect that they'll be back to get everyone else within that time frame.

I understand what your saying...but your not following this to its logical conclusion. If Claire gets rescued the show is over
Not necessarily. We could have said the same thing about Michael and Walt leaving, but it didn't happen then, either. Anything could happen: perhaps the ship is there, but Naomi is lying about where it came from -- so maybe Claire and Aaron get rescued, but they never come back. Or maybe they leave vowing to send rescue, but are unable to find the island again. Or hey, maybe the Others lead an assault on the ship and sink it! Or maybe it comes too close to the island and is shipwrecked, just like the Black Rock. Wouldn't that be neat? Two ships sitting side-by-side in the middle of the island?:)

Be that as it may, the Other's are notorious for being able to travel across the Island without so much as a trace. A helicopter isn't exactly the most subtle transportation.
Ha ha! Yeah, no kidding!:biggrin: Tough to make a hop on a chopper without making a LOT of noise. Not exactly the Others' style.

About the helicopter rescue, Desmond never said WHEN Claire would be rescued. It could happen in 4 weeks, 8 months, 15 years, etc.
This is absolutely true -- remember when Desmond's "flash-fowards" started happening? He told Hurley about something that Locke had "said" in his speech, but didn't realize that Locke hadn't made his speech yet. This was only a few days ago in show-time, so it makes sense that Desmond doesn't really have a handle on how his visions fit into real time yet.

Just going from my gut here:
I highly doubt that the first helicopter, which crashed (we don't actually know if it ever existed), was an other's operation, because that would in all likelihood make Naomi an other, which I doubt is the case. After all, ben seemed pretty surprised when michail told him about it.

I also agree with many of the people who think that the others do not currently have a helicopter. It just doesn't seem their style. And if they did have it, and had a way to use it without being incredibly conspicuous, they would probably use it a lot. Also, much of the thick jungle on the island would not lend itself to copter use.

As for Desmond's vision:
I think that he made it up. I don't think that it is the case that the copter rescue Des saw is one that will not happen in the near future. The only two reasons for a copter rescue that I can think of (besides it being the other's copter) is either from Naomi's ship, which would presumably happen in the near future, or an all-out rescue from the outside world, one which is attempting to rescue all the people. If the later were the case, it doesn't seem practical that they would send a fleet of helicopters. I just don't see it happening. I think they would send much more support. Maybe it's just me.

As for Naomi's ship, doesn't really make sense (to me at least) for Naomi's ship to send in another helicopter to the same area in which their first helicopter mission disappeared. It would seem to make more sense to send some other form of rescue mission (seeing as how the first attempt failed). Maybe they would send a boat, or who knows. The only reason I can think of for sending in another helicopter would be if the losties (or someone else) were able to disable the communications block (and whatever it is that keeps unwanted most vessels from landing on the island), and reassure Naomi's ship that the situation has been resolved, and that if they send another chopper, it won't crash. So I think either that is happening, or Des just made up the chopper thing to inspire Charlie.

Desmond never said it only rescued Claire and Aaron, he only mentioned that those were who he saw getting into the helicopter. That might mean that Sun and some other of the women(though I doubt Rose would leave without Bernard nor Kate without Sawyer and Jack).


Rose has said that this place healed her and not Isacc, she doesnt want to leave and that is why Bernard stopped his SOS signel. Bernard will stay with her also he wont want to leave her. They can be with John and he can go hunting with Bernard

maybe michael got to land and was somehow picked up by dharma. now he's working with dharma and told them who was on the island now. so dharma sends naomi and crew to the island to take it back. that's where the helicopter comes in. it's a dharma helicopter, not an Others'.

maybe?

maybe michael got to land and was somehow picked up by dharma. now he's working with dharma and told them who was on the island now. so dharma sends naomi and crew to the island to take it back. that's where the helicopter comes in. it's a dharma helicopter, not an Others'.

maybe?

How would she know about Desmond then??? She had his picture and I dont think that Mike even knew who was in the hatch or what his name was, granted he saw him maybe even met him but that was for like less than a day