The "looking glass" station is rumoured to be a place where people are teleported into the island area, and then brought to the mainland by submarine.

Some people said teleportation is not real or not possible.

But recently I read a few articles showing that teleportation can be done using modern science.

Lost TPTB always said that everything that happens in the show can be explained by science.

So, here are some recent news about teleportation experiment in the recent years >> Google Search Result (http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=ew&q=teleportation+success&btnG=Search&meta=).

Hmmm, why not just teleport straight to the island itself? In my opinion the teleportation idea is ludicrous.

Hmmm, why not just teleport straight to the island itself? In my opinion the teleportation idea is ludicrous.

I wonder if the magnetic anomolies prevent that. It may or not be true, but it does make some sense to teleport to a location off the island if true.

Teleportation of human beings is presently impossible.

Lost TPTB always said that everything that happens in the show can be explained by science.



Actually, they debunked that in the podcast several weeks ago, saying that the island has some aspects of the supernatural. I'm not sure which week it was, but I'm sure someone here would know right off the bat. ;)

Actually, they debunked that in the podcast several weeks ago, saying that the island has some aspects of the supernatural. I'm not sure which week it was, but I'm sure someone here would know right off the bat. ;)

Well, if they debunked that.... then teleportation of human being using the island's supernatural power is possible, at least in the funny world of Lost :biggrin:

I've seen scientist floats a frog in mid-air on tv using some small but powerful magnet, who is to say there aren't rouge scientist out there already testing teleportation on living things.

Where did these teleportation rumors come from? I didn't see anything in the Looking Glass that indicated that.

I kind of doubt it but I would love to see Charlie at the crucial moment teleport out of there to a crowded city street in the real world. :)

The "looking glass" station is rumoured to be a place where people are teleported into the island area, and then brought to the mainland by submarine.

Some people said teleportation is not real or not possible.

But recently I read a few articles showing that teleportation can be done using modern science.

Lost TPTB always said that everything that happens in the show can be explained by science.

So, here are some recent news about teleportation experiment in the recent years >> Google Search Result (http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=ew&q=teleportation+success&btnG=Search&meta=).

Those articles talk about teleporting light and tiny particles. There's no technology right now to teleport humans. Why are we even talking about this?

Well, if they debunked that.... then teleportation of human being using the island's supernatural power is possible, at least in the funny world of Lost :biggrin:

I've seen scientist floats a frog in mid-air on tv using some small but powerful magnet, who is to say there aren't rouge scientist out there already testing teleportation on living things.

Not totally. They called it "pseudo science." Carlton is apparently a scientific dude/expert, so we can expect some better explanations than just magic.

Manipulation of single particles is one thing, but to move billions of them at once would take an enormous amount of energy. Were talking bigger than a nuclear reaction big.
Yeah, and where are these rumors coming from?

Hmmm, why not just teleport straight to the island itself? In my opinion the teleportation idea is ludicrous.
Because if it is true, it would be a property of the island... or rather of the spot around which they built the station. Like a "wormhole," which would fall under the category of pseudo-science.

I agree the idea of real teleportation is ludicrous. What people hype as teleportation is actually the copying all the known properties of one particle to another particle.

Why are we questioning the validity of teleportation being able to occur in association with the island when we don't debate the fact that Rose was cured or Locke was able to walk again. Or for that matter, that Walt had special abilities.

We've accepted these as part of the fantasy aspect of the show - so why do we doubt the broadening of another science?

I for one, don't believe that there is teleportation, but it isn't because its not based in scientific application. I just think its a cheap way out.

Where did these teleportation rumors come from? I didn't see anything in the Looking Glass that indicated that.
The fact that it's called the "Looking Glass" and its Darma symbol is of a rabbit. In the novel, the looking glass was a portal to another world. Why else would Darma call the station that, with that symbol. Unless it's an observation post for watching rabbits. Add to that the fact that people arrive at the island via the sub, for which the station has a dock.

The "looking glass" station is rumoured to be a place where people are teleported into the island area, and then brought to the mainland by submarine.

Some people said teleportation is not real or not possible.

But recently I read a few articles showing that teleportation can be done using modern science.

Lost TPTB always said that everything that happens in the show can be explained by science.

So, here are some recent news about teleportation experiment in the recent years >> Google Search Result (http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=ew&q=teleportation+success&btnG=Search&meta=).Where did this idea come from that the "Looking Glass" was rumored to be some sort of teleportation device?

The "looking glass" station is rumoured to be a place where people are teleported into the island area, and then brought to the mainland by submarine.

Uhh..rumored by who exactly? People on the message boards? Until people on the island start "rumoring" it, its a stretch. ;)

The fact that it's called the "Looking Glass" and its Darma symbol is of a rabbit. In the novel, the looking glass was a portal to another world. Why else would Darma call the station that, with that symbol. Unless it's an observation post for watching rabbits. Add to that the fact that people arrive at the island via the sub, for which the station has a dock.I still don't see that such a hypothesis is warranted. A portal, perhaps, but a teleportaion device?

The docking port for the submarine would seem to fit the "portal" idea without the uneccessary addition of Star Trek tech.

I still don't see that such a hypothesis is warranted. A portal, perhaps, but a teleportaion device?

The docking port for the submarine would seem to fit the "portal" idea without the uneccessary addition of Star Trek tech.

I gotta stick up for pythagoras on this one. If you really hate the notion of a "teleportation device" and prefer calling it a portal, fine. Personally, the name by which you call it is inconsequential compared to what it's actually doing. I think Pythagoras is simply saying the Looking Glass Station is our entrance to the island. I'm not even gonna touch whether it's crossing time / dimensions, i hate those threads. So let's keep on this one.

I think the significance of the name of the station can't be overlooked. We all know the writers and creators of this shows obsession with detail. Why choose such an obvious name that refers to a transportation/portal device if the station isn't the entrance to the island? The name is painfully obvious.

I see Pythagoras' hypothesis as the only reasonable one on this new station. As soon as Juliet threw the name of The Looking Glass out there, i grinned ear to ear knowing full well the Alice in Wonderland reference and the implications of what the station is there for. And then the "moon pool" as the way for the sub to dock and transport people to the DHARMA dock... it makes perfect sense.

I always knew the sub was a red herring as the "REAL" way people got to the island. It's a ruse for us the viewer.

Not only does the Looking Glass have a rabbit as it's symbol, it has a rabbit with a solid black hole positioned squarely in it's throat. To me, that not only calls to mind the Lewis Carroll work "Through The Looking Glass", and the themes contained therin, but also the concept of a "portal" (or whatever you want to call it) that links two differant worlds (realities?).

I agree with the posters who think that transportation to and from the Island is handled in a manner other than by submarine. I think the sub is used for transportation around the Island, but that's it. The Others want "recruits" and what not to believe they are being transported by sub (odd, but more mundane that "portal" travel), which is just another in a long string of cons.

this thread just took a turn for the better.
I am not so sure I like the teleportation idea, but it just makes too much sense that this is some sort of layover on the way to the island.
It never sat well with me when they told Juliette how "intense" the trip was.

Where did this idea come from that the "Looking Glass" was rumored to be some sort of teleportation device?

It's 'Fanon' - like the 'fact' that Smokey manifests as people.

Gotta admit it's very compelling - but TPTB have proved very adept at reading fan theories and giving us just enough to send people down completely the wrong direction.:undecide:

Teleportation, Levitation, hmmmmm - it's all coming together:ohwell: , yeah, I wish...

sorry guys. ive been down with some crazy @#$% but teleportation.
there has got to be a better way.

Hahaha... this thread is going crazy!

Well, I started it because I saw some people posting about it in another thread linking it with teleportation, some book about a link to another world and stuff...

Yeah, I agree with some post above... funny how some people have no problem with smokey and dead people appearing on the island although we can't see current science re-enacting such events.

This is Lost... anything seems to be possible.....

And yeah, even though I started the teleportation idea, I still hope it wouldn't be it... somehow this piece is not compelling enough because we are bombarded with teleportation ideas in show like Star Trek.

I've read that some scientists have been able to send a subatomic particle back in time for a couple of miliseconds using some kind of laser tunnel.
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It's 'Fanon' - like the 'fact' that Smokey manifests as people.

Gotta admit it's very compelling - but TPTB have proved very adept at reading fan theories and giving us just enough to send people down completely the wrong direction.:undecide:
they kind of suggested in The Answers that Smokie may actually manifest things from people's memories.
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When people think about Teleportation they imagine a person disappearing from one place and appearing in other immediately. This is what is pissing them off. I dont think Lost would ever do that. While I do think there could be some kind of portal in the LG, I don't think it would work like Star Trek's. The portal at the LG may act like a bridge or shortcut between 2 parallel timelines or realities. They may be put in some kind of vehicle (perhaps one that look like a sub) and then sent thru this timegate. This part of their trip would be the 'bumpy leg' mentioned by Ethan. Perhaps this vehicle doesn't physically DISSAPPEAR, it just takes a VERY short TIMELESS route underwater and a couple of minutes after it arrives at the LG.

So just going off the name of the station people have decided there is obviously a crazy teleportation device/alternate time line machine inside/portal inside?

1. Why put it underwater?
2. Why guard such an amazing and important device with just 2 people?
3. Why put it underwater?
4. Surley there are other concepts that can be drawn from the station name?
5. Lost has enough plot lines going without going Time Cop on our *****.

So just going off the name of the station people have decided there is obviously a crazy teleportation device/alternate time line machine inside/portal inside?

1. Why put it underwater?
2. Why guard such an amazing and important device with just 2 people?
3. Why put it underwater?
4. Surley there are other concepts that can be drawn from the station name?
5. Lost has enough plot lines going without going Time Cop on our *****.

uummm....

1) Why put the Flame Station above ground and the Swan Station underground?

2) Why guard such an important communication Flame station with 1 people?

3) Why do you need to reach the island by going underwater with a sub, why not a plane?

4) What other concept can be drawn from the station name and symbol?

5)Lost have gone supernatural/The Sixth Sense on our ***** and have gone Minority Report future vision on our *****.... there are 3 more years and seasons to go..... i bet there will be room to get more stuff on our *****, you think? :biggrin:

I've read that some scientists have been able to send a subatomic particle back in time for a couple of miliseconds using some kind of laser tunnel.


One of the things that I like about the 'lage is that there are many times when I read a thread and learn about something other than a tv show - literature, history, religion, mythology and sometimes even science. When it comes to speculating about a fictional show, I think that everyone should be entitled to their opinion, even if I disagree and think that it doesn't make any sense.

However, when people reference occurances in the real world as clues to the show, a reference should be cited. I believe this is especially the case when referring to scientific info that is not commonly known, as there is already entirely too much misleading information about science in popular media.

Fierro, it is not my intention to single you out, but I appreciate the level of conversation on the Fuselage (yourself included - I enjoy your posts) and thought that I would point out something that is a pet peeve of mine.

/rant

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That said, if you have a reference for your time travel article, I would hope that you would pass it along! Last summer, I read this interesting book A World Without Time: The Forgotten Legacy Of Godel And Einstein (http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Time-Forgotten-Einstein/dp/0465092934). Kurt Godel was a brilliant mathematician - his incompleteness theory shook the foundations of logic at the time. This book, if I recall correctly, discusses Godel's reply what he thought might be a problem with Einstein's spacetime - that it made time-travel theoretically possible.

Thinking I was clever, I asked a friend of mind who happens to have a PhD in mathematics/geometry what he thought about the whole deal. While he praised Godel for his genius troublemaking, he explained to me that time travel could only be possible in radical geometries of spacetime - which we have no reason to believe that we are in. His take: while possible mathematically, impossible practically (at least in our universe).
;)

Sorry for the long post.

One of the things that I like about the 'lage is that there are many times when I read a thread and learn about something other than a tv show - literature, history, religion, mythology and sometimes even science. When it comes to speculating about a fictional show, I think that everyone should be entitled to their opinion, even if I disagree and think that it doesn't make any sense.

However, when people reference occurances in the real world as clues to the show, a reference should be cited. I believe this is especially the case when referring to scientific info that is not commonly known, as there is already entirely too much misleading information about science in popular media.

Fierro, it is not my intention to single you out, but I appreciate the level of conversation on the Fuselage (yourself included - I enjoy your posts) and thought that I would point out something that is a pet peeve of mine.

/rant

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That said, if you have a reference for your time travel article, I would hope that you would pass it along! Last summer, I read this interesting book A World Without Time: The Forgotten Legacy Of Godel And Einstein (http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Time-Forgotten-Einstein/dp/0465092934). Kurt Godel was a brilliant mathematician - his incompleteness theory shook the foundations of logic at the time. This book, if I recall correctly, discusses Godel's reply what he thought might be a problem with Einstein's spacetime - that it made time-travel theoretically possible.

Thinking I was clever, I asked a friend of mind who happens to have a PhD in mathematics/geometry what he thought about the whole deal. While he praised Godel for his genius troublemaking, he explained to me that time travel could only be possible in radical geometries of spacetime - which we have no reason to believe that we are in. His take: while possible mathematically, impossible practically (at least in our universe).
;)

Sorry for the long post.
Well, I watched that on a Science or Discovery channel' s special about Time Travel like 2 years ago. They even showed the laser tunnel. He was a quantum physics scientist very interested in real Time Travel. Of course, my memory is not that good anymore so I might not be recalling all the details right.
But I'm pretty sure I can find the source in a couple of days.

faster than I thought:

http://www.physorg.com/news63371210.html

Regardless of the feasability of teleportation, I think that since:

-The trip to the island is "kinda rough"
-You need to be knocked out to take the trip
-There's a relatively small station with a sub dock as it's main consumption of space
-This station is named what it is

It makes sense that this station gets people from the world to the island and then the sub takes them from there to the island.

Well, I watched that on a Science or Discovery channel' s special about Time Travel like 2 years ago. They even showed the laser tunnel. He was a quantum physics scientist very interested in real Time Travel. Of course, my memory is not that good anymore so I might not be recalling all the details right.
But I'm pretty sure I can find the source in a couple of days.

faster than I thought:

http://www.physorg.com/news63371210.html

Thanks! The wikipedia article on Ronald Mallett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Mallett) (the physicist in question) is very interesting. His father died when he was 10 years old, and inspired by H.G. Wells, "The Time Machine" he decided to build one to bring his father back. He then went on to become a full professor in Physics at the University of Connecticut.

From what I know (not that much :) ) I don't think it sounds plausible and I'm not the only one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Mallett#Objections). However, I'd be really curious to know how his experiments work out. Thanks again for the link.

Thanks! The wikipedia article on Ronald Mallett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Mallett) (the physicist in question) is very interesting. His father died when he was 10 years old, and inspired by H.G. Wells, "The Time Machine" he decided to build one to bring his father back. He then went on to become a full professor in Physics at the University of Connecticut.

From what I know (not that much :) ) I don't think it sounds plausible and I'm not the only one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Mallett#Objections). However, I'd be really curious to know how his experiments work out. Thanks again for the link.
You are welcome. Anyways, we will probably all be dead by the time we might learn if it is really plausible or not. The important thing for me here is the fact that it has some scientific background which is enough to build a science fiction show around it. We have seen this done in hundreds of TV shows and movies. The way they portrait all this is what eventually makes the difference.