I've been mulling this over, and can't pin it down. Maybe some of you have some insights to these questions:

What were the women doing in the Looking Glass?

Are they there to keep the place operational?

Are they Dharma Initiative people like Radzinsky and Kelvin were in the Swan?

Or are they Others, affiliated with Ben?

Are they also perhaps there to keep them from becoming pregnant?

Why didn't Juliet know about them? Does Ben even know about them?

Did they receive supplies from the submarine, and if so, are they now in trouble since the sub's demise?

What were the women doing in the Looking Glass?Best guess, they are from Ben's group, and are operating the LG just like Mikhail operated the Flame. They are a little young to be Dharma leftovers, so they were probably much more recently recruited, like Juliet.

The rest of the questions, no one knows, dude. That's why we have to wait until next week to find out.

Why didn't Juliet know about them?

I was thinking about this and I think Juliette did know about them. In addition I think she lied to the group when she told them that she didn't know anything about the station because Ben told her it was flooded from the "incident". I think Juliette may very well still be playing both sides to see which turns out best for her.

Since they seem to be all women. My first guess is they are excapees from Bens group. That they didn't want to be lab rats and end up dead by becoming pregnant.That they are hiding down there. Maybe there was a way to unflood the looking glass.

Only problem with that is why not turn off the yellow flashing light and get some help? Unless turning it off ,turns off the whole hatch and causes it to reflood.

Looking at their outfits - particularly their footwear - they seem to be dressed in a similar style to Niomi.

Maybe when she parachuted in, "I am not alone" referred to her compatriots who were tasked with occupying the station to pave the way for whoever she's working for to gain access to the island. We saw a beacon/helicopter/unknown object plummet into the water just offshore from the cable.

I think they're stuck there. I think they were "on duty" to watch the station when Locke blew the submarine. I think they have been stuck there until Ben can figure out how to get a regular rotation of people going again with out their transportation.

However....don't read this it may be a spoiler!!
I heard Mikail is the one to blow the station and if that is the case ther must be another way there. Don't know if it true or not

[quote=thedaveeyres;1556968]Looking at their outfits - particularly their footwear - they seem to be dressed in a similar style to Niomi.quote]

I noticed the same thing. They seemed to be in full-fatigue garb. Why, if they've been stranded down there and not expecting anyone except The Others, would the be dressed like that? Maybe they came from Dharma since Locke sent the computer message saying The Flame had been breached (chess game).

I noticed the same thing. They seemed to be in full-fatigue garb. Why, if they've been stranded down there and not expecting anyone except The Others, would the be dressed like that? Maybe they came from Dharma since Locke sent the computer message saying The Flame had been breached (chess game).

I agree with you.. I think they're from Dharma too. It could be 2 things. One they know the Swan Station was destroyed, or the Sonar Beacon quit pinging, or possibly the Flame Station Destruct Code being entering. One of those reasons seems logical to me.

If they're part of the Others, I wonder if Charlie will be able to participate in the fertility experiments.

Let's just hope the blonde isn't named Alice!

I was pondering this topic in my mind this morning ....

I agree that, based on what we saw, it's curious that WOMEN inhabit the Looking Glass. The writers could have shown us two men; a man and a woman .... no, TWO WOMEN.

So I agree that it seems to be a run-by-females kinda place.

Secondly, after viewing Naomi in London watching Charlie's street performance, I'm convinced Naomi is part of the Looking Glass female brigade.

Remember what Sayid asked Desmond: "Did you actually see a helicopter?"


Since the next/last episode is entitled "Through the Looking Glass", I am going to assume that the women in the underwater hatch can leave the island, maybe even "time travel".

Maybe one of them is Annie.

I expect they're there because of Ben since apparently he's the one shutting off the signal. Although It woudl make more sense for them to be natives, anyone who wasn't born on the Island might get homesick and flip the switch.

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Anyone else thought that the second woman looks like sayer's son mother (I don't remember her name)
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Anyone else thought that the second woman looks like sawyer's son's mother (I don't remember her name)

I was pondering this topic in my mind this morning ....

I agree that, based on what we saw, it's curious that WOMEN inhabit the Looking Glass. The writers could have shown us two men; a man and a woman .... no, TWO WOMEN.

So I agree that it seems to be a run-by-females kinda place.

Secondly, after viewing Naomi in London watching Charlie's street performance, I'm convinced Naomi is part of the Looking Glass female brigade.

Remember what Sayid asked Desmond: "Did you actually see a helicopter?"

Since the next/last episode is entitled "Through the Looking Glass", I am going to assume that the women in the underwater hatch can leave the island, maybe even "time travel".

Has it been confirmed that the woman in Charlie's flashback was indeed Naomi? I've watched it a few times and still not sure...

Also didn't the woman in the background in the Looking Glass Station look an awful lot like Cindy?? Maybe the LG is where Ben was intending to bring the pregnant women from the Lostie camp? And maybe...this is where the children are kept???

Walt perhaps??

I think Niomi and the girls in the LG are with Ben's group. In the next episode Ben tell's Lock that Niomi isn't who she say's she is. So how does he know her name if he has never meet her before and why does he say she is not who she says she is?
I agree that they saw the becan right where the cable was on the beach isnt a accident. When she said i am not alone is true because she is with the girls in the LG and the girls in the LG are dressed like Niomi too.

it looked like a nod to famed b movie director Andy Sidaris to me. He is the king of bullets, bombs and babes. I dont know where these gals came from but hot militant chics with guns has Andy written all over it. As for getting there, clearly that was a submerged docking area for a submarine

The women in the Looking Glass aren't Dharma survivors. If they were, they would have to have been there since the purge...at least a decade...the would have been kids...

Based on their ages and clothes, they are Others. Ben simply lied (shock) to Juliet, or she is (shock again) lying.

It makes no sense for them to be associated with Naomi...she found the island by accident, how could her company know anything about the Looking Glass?

Maybe one of them is Annie.

I expect they're there because of Ben since apparently he's the one shutting off the signal. Although It woudl make more sense for them to be natives, anyone who wasn't born on the Island might get homesick and flip the switch.

When they first came running out, I thought the first one totally looked like what Annie might have looked like grown up. I think she is Annie.

Well who ever they are, they showed up armed. So they were either not expecting anyone at all or not expecting anyone they wanted there.

That is why I believe they are hiding from Ben.

Good questions . . . I'm excited to see the answers unfold next season.

Did anyone notice that the first blonde looked like Alice???

I'm thinking that the helicopter crashed there for a reason. It could be that the only thing that Naomi was navigating by was the radio trasmissions coming from the Looking Glass. So maybe she ejected and those 2 ladies sunk and some how made it to the looking glass.

Although they had guns pointed at Charlie, they didn't seem to be acting like typical Others and I'm pretty sure Charlie is going to be ok with them.

They do seem to be on high alert. Now being that the plan to go to the LG was only formulated in the last hour or so fo the show, I cannot see how they would have been notified that charlie was going to there. So being on such high alert could be a sign that they are no others.

Looking Glass could mean that they have access to all the islands camera's and hence they see everything that is happening. Or they have access to Smokey

They were on alert, JUST like Desmond was on Alert. I'll bet they'll be asking him... "Are you HIM?"

Although they had guns pointed at Charlie, they didn't seem to be acting like typical Others and I'm pretty sure Charlie is going to be ok with them.

I'm not so sure about that

In the preview they show Charlie tied to a chair with the women beating him up

I belive they are the pregnet women who supposedly died...

I'm thinking they're part of Naomi's team. Here's why:

We know from what Naomi said, that there is some kind of "snow globe", or cloak for lack of a better term, surrounding the Island. Naomi missed her rondevous time, and her team on the ship possibly even detected her crash, either visually or with sonar or something, but do not know about the Island. Anyways, they sent a team to the general area where she crashed to investigate. Maybe they had a mini-sub or were dropped out of another heli wearing scuba suits. Either way, when they went down there they found the Looking Glass. Maybe they just arrived, or maybe they came shortly after Naomi crashed and have stayed either because they can't, or to investigate some crazy Dharma stuff. Maybe they found some kind of info in the Looking Glass that indicated that there is an Island, and are trying to figure out how that could be posssible, and how to get there.

Or they could be an entirely new faction we don't know about. Either that or they're just Others...*sighs*........

Looking at their outfits - particularly their footwear - they seem to be dressed in a similar style to Niomi.

Maybe when she parachuted in, "I am not alone" referred to her compatriots who were tasked with occupying the station to pave the way for whoever she's working for to gain access to the island. We saw a beacon/helicopter/unknown object plummet into the water just offshore from the cable.

great point about the the locstion of the helicoptor and cable
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Let's just hope the blonde isn't named Alice!

you took the words right out of my mouth

I started a similar thread in General Lost Theories. Here are my ideas:

Stranded DHARMA Personnel?
I didn't see jumpsuits. Desmond wore a jumpsuit for three years (I think he had a stockpile of them), and Mikhail seems to like wearing them. These women looked pretty military, though. How old would they have been during the "purge", which was 16 years earlier? They look pretty young. Would the Looking Glass Station have had enough rations to last 16 years? Would food drops have been possible at that station? Or perhaps they were stranded more recently, like when "The Others" stole the sub. Hmm...

Planted by Ben?
Could Ben have secretly stationed the women to guard the secret that the Looking Glass wasn't actually flooded? Could Ben have anticipated that the Losties would try restoring communication with the outside world, and (knowing that the Looking Glass wasn't actually flooded) have secretly sent two previously unseen "Others" to lie in wait? Hmm...

Penny's People?
Could the ship Naomi launched from also have sent someone to the Looking Glass to ascertain why communication to and from the island was being blocked? Are they somehow connected with the helicopter Naomi bailed from, a helicopter that seemingly crashed in sea not far from where the "campers" refound the cable? Could it have been an amphibious craft of some kind? Naomi had pretty nifty breathing gear on her flight suit...could the women have swum to the Looking Glass from the crashed copter? Hmm...

I am leaning towards the last one, myself.

They're just two lonely girls, sitting around the station, dreaming that one day a Rock God will float up through the moon pool!

When I saw the brunette (albeit it was from a distance with no close-up), the first thing I thought of was the woman that Sawyer conned who supposedly had his kid.

I think Niomi and the girls in the LG are with Ben's group.

In the next episode Ben tell's Lock that Niomi isn't who she say's she is. So how does he know her name if he has never meet her before and why does he say she is not who she says she is?

I agree that they saw the becan right where the cable was on the beach isnt a accident. When she said i am not alone is true because she is with the girls in the LG and the girls in the LG are dressed like Niomi too.


I hadn't made that connection but it's interesting .... on the night Naomi 'crashed' something splashed down in the water offshore from where they were waiting. Which would have been around about where the Looking Glass station was. Hmmmmmm. :confused:

Has it been confirmed that the woman in Charlie's flashback was indeed Naomi? I've watched it a few times and still not sure...
That was Nadia, not Naomi. 2 different actresses and characters. Nadia is Sayid's long lost love.

Even though it wasn't Naomi, though, I still think the women could be part of her team, and the helicopter crash is a definite possibility for how they got there. Mikhail knows she wasn't alone, and he knows her "helo" crashed. He's going to want to find the crash survivors.

The women in the Looking Glass aren't Dharma survivors. If they were, they would have to have been there since the purge...at least a decade...the would have been kids...

Based on their ages and clothes, they are Others. Ben simply lied (shock) to Juliet, or she is (shock again) lying.

It makes no sense for them to be associated with Naomi...she found the island by accident, how could her company know anything about the Looking Glass?

Well, Merew, leave it to a fellow Michigander to come up with the same conclusions I have about this. ;) I concur with your summations...

My theory: The two women are Annie and someone else who were originally with Dharma and Ben hid them there right before the Purge because he liked them and wanted them protected. He then lied to the others telling them that it was flooded so that they don't kill them.

I just had a revelation!! When Des saw Charlie die, he said the station was flooded. The way I see it, this means that sometime inbetween Des' flash and when they arrive at the LG, the girls emptied out all the water. This means they've just arrived.

I guess this means they're probably not Dharma personel. Could be Others that were recently dispatched there for whatever reason, but I'm betting that they're part of Naomi's team that's looking for her.

Has it been confirmed that the woman in Charlie's flashback was indeed Naomi? I've watched it a few times and still not sure...

That was Nadia, not Naomi. 2 different actresses and characters. Nadia is Sayid's long lost love.

Actually, JennyLee, you're thinking of the scene where Charlie saves Nadia from the mugger. But there's the other scene where he's playing his guitar outside of the Covent Garden tube station that has a woman who looks like a dead ringer for Naomi. Here, look for yourself at this screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=99325&fullsize=1).
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My theory: The two women are Annie and someone else who were originally with Dharma and Ben hid them there right before the Purge because he liked them and wanted them protected. He then lied to the others telling them that it was flooded so that they don't kill them.

Oh wow. That's trippy! No wonder they'd get all bent out of shape then when some stranger shows up in their little moon pool...

They're just two lonely s, sitting around the station, dreaming that one day a Rock God will float up through the moon pool!

sounds like the beginning of a new Drive Shaft song...

Just two lonelygirlz
sitting around
dreaming one day
a rock god will be found...

floating through the moon pool....
floating to the moon...
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I just had a revelation!! When Des saw Charlie die, he said the station was flooded. The way I see it, this means that sometime inbetween Des' flash and when they arrive at the LG, the s emptied out all the water. This means they've just arrived.

I guess this means they're probably not Dharma personel. Could be Others that were recently dispatched there for whatever reason, but I'm betting that they're part of Naomi's team that's looking for her.

I could be wrong but i dont think Des ever said it was flooded. He said that "you flip the switch...and then you drown". Technically the two dont have to be immediately related. He might flip the switch and then drown trying to resurface or...in an attempt to prevent him from flipping the switch the station is flooded but I dont recall Dez saying that the station was already flooded....

For the sake of throwing in another theory:

They are the original Dharma personnel of the station. As part of the purge, Ben & The Others planned for the station to be flooded by some kind of bomb/whatever. But for some reason (technical error / someone warned them / they discovered the bomb in time), it did not work. So Ben assumes that the station is flooded, even though it really isn't. The cable that presumably leads to "The Flame" allows/allowed The Others to control some of the stations functions (like the jamming device) remotely. For the Dharma personnel inside "The Looking Glass", there wasn't much to do - perhaps they could even witness the purge by camera, so they knew they couldn't leave their station/the island(s), because the submarine was in enemy hands.

Possible contradictions:
- the two women are to young (then again, something seriously strange is going on with Richard's age, too, he should be much older)
- they wouldn't have enough supplies to survive for so long (perhaps the station is stocked for a larger number of people than those who live there at the moment or the station receives/received regular food drops like "The Swan")
- if they know what happened out there, why would they allow Ben to control the station remotely? (if they actually witnessed the purge by camera, they might be wise enough to hold still in fear of beeing discovered by The Others)
- Desmond saw the station flooded in his vision (that might just as well be a future event)

Man, I so have too much time on my hands :biggrin:

Actually, JennyLee, you're thinking of the scene where Charlie saves Nadia from the mugger. But there's the other scene where he's playing his guitar outside of the Covent Garden tube station that has a woman who looks like a dead ringer for Naomi. Here, look for yourself at this screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=99325&fullsize=1).

She looks completely different. Slightly different skin tone, fuller face.


As for those who say that the women look too young to have been there before the purge... IMDB says that Tracy Middendorf, one of the actresses, is 37. I certainly remember seeing the actress in "Wes Craven's New Nightmare," being a victim of a certain supernatural serial killer. This was at least ten years ago.

She looks completely different. Slightly different skin tone, fuller face.

Okay, well, my using the term "dead ringer for Naomi" was probably not the best. In fact, personally I didn't really see the resemblance that much either. But I have a track record of not being very good at telling one person from the next. At any rate, the story goes, the woman in the scene where Charlie's playing his guitar is believed by some people to be Naomi. That's how I should have phrased it... :redface:

Ok here is what I think about the two women down there we know that the Others use the Sub to tranport people to and from the Island what if it also gets people down there and since Locke blew it up and they dont have anyway to contact the Others they dont know whats going on, also I am thinking what if they let Mike and Walt think they were gettting away but then recaught them and they are no in the the Looking Glass, we know that they want to bring back Mike and Walt - - this would be a perfect way to do it. Also I have read that people think Joanna may also be alive down there, but I am not sure about that one.

I really wonder about the sanity of people who say the blond is alice in wonderland:)

About annie..this too is really grasping . The most obvious fate of annie was she was the first to die from childbirth on the island and coupled with ben's mom dying --this is the source of Bens obsession

I also said the night of the episode that woman being in that station had to have meaning considering the show was about kidnaping all the women

BTW Most likely the Looking glass is the doorway to the island and the sub was only used to go to and from that station.

MAybe..

Why are the women in the Looking Glass ?

Because in a bunny hatch, there are supposed to be bunnies !

T

ps: Gee... do I have to explain EVERYTHING ?

I really wonder about the sanity of people who say the blond is alice in wonderland:)

Actually, we think it's Alice from the Through the Looking Glass, which has the same Alice character.



If they're from Penny's people, how'd they get there? There's no sub docked. There'd have to be a ship nearby for that Scuba excursion. Has to be Ben's people, which makes me a bit sad. I wish it was Penny's people so Charlie would have an easier time explaining what he needed to do.

Great theories but couldn't the simplest answer be that Ben lied (shocker) to Juliette about the LG being flooded. The women there are just other Others. :)

Personally I think the blonde is Annie, but I could be V wrong about that one. I don’t think it can be part of Naomi's group, she did say that she was not alone but I presume she is saying that she has a boat with her with all her friends on. This is why all she is interested in is contacting them via Sayid + Sat phone. If she knew of other people on the island why would she not mention this to Sayid or Desmond?

The idea that these could be the women who where supposed to be dead from childbirth has been raised. This was attractive at first, but what we know about Ben's mom would not make sense. Ben was faking the deaths of women to get some other goal, and he got the idea from the fate of his late mother! I think that’s even a bit too cold for Ben.

I quite like the idea that these where the young friends of Ben. (Annie) Who he hid down there, but how would Ben have convinced them to stay there, and too what ends? Perhaps they had witnessed the purge but had been saved as Ben wanted them alive, but they couldn't go home/mainland because they knew about the purge and may inform Dharma/Authorities. Perhaps he could not tell the other losties about them because his killing of all dharma was part of his sacrifice?

The last episode had better be pretty revealing. There’s a lot of explaining to do! I mean come on, posing questions in the second to last episode, they have to give us something to actually 'understand' or by the next season were not going to know what actually happened!

Why are the women in the Looking Glass ?

Because in a bunny hatch, there are supposed to be bunnies !

T

ps: Gee... do I have to explain EVERYTHING ?

LOL! I love it! We all ought to start calling it the Bunny Hatch!

Has to be Ben's people, which makes me a bit sad. I wish it was Penny's people so Charlie would have an easier time explaining what he needed to do.

But Ben's people are the easiest of all to explain anything to. You just tell them that Jacob said to go flip the switch.

But Ben's people are the easiest of all to explain anything to. You just tell them that Jacob said to go flip the switch.

Or Ben told you that you had to do it because communications have been out for a month. They should know that.

However we are talking about Charlie, so he will say something like "We have to get rescued and blow up Ben's people!" ;)

Didn't the press release talked about a Greta and a Bonnie... Well, I think it may be them.
But it doesn't really say who they are...mmmmm

There must be a link with the pregnant women, because, as it is said on lostpedia ( I know, not always reliable because anyone can add stuff) Greta is the diminutive form of Margaret, and Saint Margaret is the patron saint of expectant mothers. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Greta

If someone is really named Greta, there must be a link to pregnant women, just because Darlton always made those kinda twisted stuff, with eateregg and little details like that...

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Okay folks..this is getting like a broken record...

Any talk of the names of these characters are considered spoilers...they have NOT been mentioned on the show and it does not matter if off site sources have their names. They are spoilers until they are revealed on the show.

Plus..there is a thread about who they women are going full tilt...this thread is to discuss WHY the Looking Glass is full of women...please stay on topic and use the spoiler font when necessary.

Back on topic...

They could work for the sheriff or whoever the woman was that presided over Juliette's trial before the Others. She seemed to have authority equal to or greater than Ben's in some instances and the whole thing led me to believe there is some "Lord of the Flies" society that they formed. Maybe her authority inlcudes control or responsibility over the Looking Glass and its only women she trusts or only women in that role. Maybe Klugh, who also had military skills and authority was one of her people. Whoever controls the looking glass has to have some major power in the structure of things.

Back on topic...

They could work for the sheriff or whoever the woman was that presided over Juliette's trial before the Others. She seemed to have authority equal to or greater than Ben's in some instances and the whole thing led me to believe there is some "Lord of the Flies" society that they formed. Maybe her authority inlcudes control or responsibility over the Looking Glass and its only women she trusts or only women in that role. Maybe Klugh, who also had military skills and authority was one of her people. Whoever controls the looking glass has to have some major power in the structure of things. Did people notice that in the scene from next week they had Charlie tied up and were interrogating him. If Ben sent them they would know who he was, they would know everything, what are they trying to find out. Since I haven't seen the sheriff since many epis ago and Ben is melting down, she wouldn't know and either would her people. Unless someone has noticed her on the camping trip?
I didn't really want to know anything about next weeks episode...even whats in the preview!!:frown:

couldn't these people simply be in the underwater hatch as Desmond was in his hatch with his partner. I mean Desmond was down there for 3 years with the partner who was down there for I don't know how long. Why wouldn't the women be in the underwater hatch. The electromagnetic hatch was important and the underwater hatch would probably be important especially if it is an artificial building put underwater. That would indicate that it must be really important so obviously they'd want people manning it. Why not two women as opposed to two men? Or a women and man in there? Does it really matter that it happens to be two women? There are two people in an important hatch that has an underwater docking bay for a submarine, the others had a submarine. So.....there's really nothing extraordinary about two people being in the hatch.

couldn't these people simply be in the underwater hatch as Desmond was in his hatch with his partner. I mean Desmond was down there for 3 years with the partner who was down there for I don't know how long. Why wouldn't the women be in the underwater hatch. The electromagnetic hatch was important and the underwater hatch would probably be important especially if it is an artificial building put underwater. That would indicate that it must be really important so obviously they'd want people manning it. Why not two women as opposed to two men? Or a women and man in there? Does it really matter that it happens to be two women? There are two people in an important hatch they have the underwater docking bay for a submarine the others had a submarine. So.....there's really nothing extraordinary about two people being in the hatch.

Exactly...It's a vital station and would need to be secured. Whether its Dharma staff or Others manning it...And we've only just been introduced to this station, maybe there are more people (men and women) posted there who we just haven't seen yet?

Slight spoiler regarding the 'Annie in the looking glass theory', nothing major, but I'll spoiler tag it for purists.

The two girls are called Bonnie and Greta, according to lostpedia, so unless Annie's had a name change it is unlikely she is either of the women.

Edit: Sorry, just realised somebody mentioned that at the top of the page.

Anyway, I personally think their working under Ben, like everyone else on the goshdarn island.

xDDDDDDD, I like the filter

I didn't really want to know anything about next weeks episode...even whats in the preview!!:frown:

Sorry. I removed it. I did not realize it ranked as a spoiler, now I do.

LOL! I love it! We all ought to start calling it the Bunny Hatch!

I found some footage of the women performing in another hatch (I think they're doing a song for Kate)
Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQvjNqevVU0

Enjoy the 'Greatest Hits' from the Dharma pioneering age !

Ben lied to Juliet and the women were there all along, its that simple.

I don't know who they are obviously..lol But if I had to guess I would say they are survivors of the purge and Ben is hiding them there. And that is why he told everyone it was flooded, so they wouldn't go snooping.