I would have thought every time her name was mentioned in the pregnant woman list she'd want one of Sawyer's pregnancy tests?

Good question.

Yeah, you'd think so wouldn't you. At one point when they mention 'Austin's samples', there is a quick of shot of Sawyer looking concerned at Kate, but that's about it.

Good point. But did she actually here her name on the tape recorder when Sawyer played it back? I think when Sawyer played back the recording in the entirty Kate wasn't around. And when he did play it when Kate was there, he cut if off. Also another question, why isn't Sawyer freaking out too? But Kate should still be freaking out regardless if she heard her name on the recording or not. She already knows pregnant women die if they conceive on island.

maybe she's not freaking out bc she knows something the others dont. maybe she's been told she cant have kids. she could have fertility problems. now granted..on this island..thats no excuse. after all..jin was sterile before the island.

also..we just might not have seen her reaction. the episodes in which this has been mentioned havent been kate-centric. i would imagine that the next kate episode we get will deal with this fully.

But Kate should still be freaking out regardless if she heard her name on the recording or not. She already knows pregnant women die if they conceive on island.

Plus, having unprotected sexytime on an island with little to no medical facilities(that we can trust) would be making me a tad nervous.

remember the afternoon on the beach with Ben? I think he told her that she must get pregnant...and let her choose the father. he was surprised she chose sawyer.
the next two weeks had to do with mating for pregnancy.
no surprise, she has to do it for Ben.

maybe she's not freaking out bc she knows something the others dont. maybe she's been told she cant have kids. she could have fertility problems. now granted..on this island..thats no excuse. after all..jin was sterile before the island.

also..we just might not have seen her reaction. the episodes in which this has been mentioned havent been kate-centric. i would imagine that the next kate episode we get will deal with this fully.

That's what I think too. Kate was more concerned that Juliet might have been running tests, not that she might be pregnant. She should have been at least a little bit worried about the possibility of pregnancy, unless she knows she's infertile.

She did hear the recording - Sawyer played it for her when he got back, and then again in front of everyone. Hopefully off-camera they did the responsible thing and got a pregnancy test from Sawyer's stash. Hopefully they had already done the responsible thing when they were having sex however many times in Sawyer's tent and used protection. But I doubt they had it in the cage o'love.
But "is Kate pregnant?" is such a huge issue I imagine they'll revisit it with more drama. Ugh. Can't wait. :rolleyes:

remember the afternoon on the beach with Ben? I think he told her that she must get pregnant...and let her choose the father. he was surprised she chose sawyer.
the next two weeks had to do with mating for pregnancy.
no surprise, she has to do it for Ben.

Good point, I'd almost forgotten about that. She did make some kind of a deal with Ben that day, which has yet to be revealed.

They've kind of glossed over the impact of a possible pregnancy on Kate. I've wondered over the last couple of epis why she hasn't freaked out yet over the news. She definitely heard Juliet's message to Ben on the tape. And there was a quick cut-to shot of Kate last night when they mentioned her along with Sun as possible targets. And both times, there's been absolutely no reaction from Kate. What's up with that, and what does Kate know that we don't yet? :confused:

She can get pregnant, or at least could. Remember the scare with her husband, the cop?

I agree about Ben wanting her to get pregnant. I thought it was so weird the way Kate and Sawyer were put together, then he made her wear that short dress and had them doing hard labor together...and Sawyer was getting hot looking at her...that all led up to them in the cage. (plus I'm sure it was no accident that she could get into his cage). I don't remember them making a deal though.

As of right now, all Kate knows is that the Others are planning on taking the pregnant women, which really isn't anything new or shocking. The Others have been kidnapping, killing and generally screwing around with the 815ers this whole time. What's new? What Kate doesn't know is that women who conceive on the island DIE. I think that might freak her out a little, but at this point, it's possible she's just thinking, "OK so I could get kidnapped.......... again."

She did make some kind of a deal with Ben that day, which has yet to be revealed.

She did?? There's no mention of that in the show so if it's been mentioned elsewhere I would consider that a spoiler...

What Kate doesn't know is that women who conceive on the island DIE. I think that might freak her out a little, but at this point, it's possible she's just thinking, "OK so I could get kidnapped.......... again."

She does know that, Juliet told her when she was trying to save Claire.

I think that Kate has too much on her mind right now to focus on that. It's also possible that after her pregnancy scare she was tested and is infertile, who knows. I just think there are too many other things to think about right now - like getting attacked by others.

Simple: because she knows it's all fake.

She can get pregnant, or at least could. Remember the scare with her husband, the cop? IF she can't get pregnant, maybe she simply didn't know it at that time.

I (want to) believe that she either knows that she can't get pregnant (and if it should be that the island could "heal" that then she doesn't know about it), or that they simply had some kind of birth control (after the cage, and maybe at that time she simply wasn't in the right time to get pregnant). So far I simply refuse to believe that they made Kate that stupid that she had sex multiple times after she got to know that pregnant women die on the island :rolleyes: And there's still the possibility that Sawyer had a vasectomy after he found out about Clementine.

Yikes, I was mistaken.

That's ok Bryce, I have been mistaken lots of times. :biggrin:

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. :biggrin:

Maybe he pulled out?

She did?? There's no mention of that in the show so if it's been mentioned elsewhere I would consider that a spoiler...

It's not a spoiler, just a theory. I'm probably jumping to conclusions too. But the point is that there must have been some deeper reason for Ben to have Kate get all dolled up, and then invite her on that cozy little breakfast for two by the beach.

I think that Kate has too much on her mind right now to focus on that. It's also possible that after her pregnancy scare she was tested and is infertile, who knows. I just think there are too many other things to think about right now - like getting attacked by others.

That's certainly possible. Maybe she has been preoccupied, although TPTB have not really shown us that. In fact, we've seen very little from her character over the last couple of epis. They have, however, made a point of letting us (and Kate) know repeatedly that she is a potential target. If you knew you were a target of an impending attack, wouldn't you show at least a little concern? It's Kate lack of concern that has many questioning her motives, and what exactly she does know.

Maybe he pulled out?


Ha Ha Ha! That's what I was going to say!

She may have been dressed the way she was to take her out of her comfort zone and heighten her sense of vulnerability. To make her dependent upon, and compliant toward her captors.

The 'two weeks' Ben mentioned may have been a period of aversion therapy for Kate's violent tendencies - in the chair in Room 23 (watch Clockwork Orange - Got milk? ;) for details) - Kate was shocked and frightened by her treatment of Juliet when they were handcuffed in the woods.

Maybe she knows she can't become pregnant (cancer survivor, STD, etc).
She still has self-loathing issues and harbours a death wish (death by Sawyer ...there are many worse ways to go but few better I'd venture).

She's seeking to get back into the Other's camp - to exact some revenge or other.

It's not a spoiler, just a theory. I'm probably jumping to conclusions too. But the point is that there must have been some deeper reason for Ben to have Kate get all dolled up, and then invite her on that cozy little breakfast for two by the beach.

Ah I see, gotcha. Even if he offered her a deal I don't think she would have taken it...but that's JMHO

I thought she did look concerned - maybe not completely freaked but I wouldn't expect her to. I would expect her to be focused on protecting Sun and like you said they haven't shown us much lately. I think inside she's probably a little freaked but she seems to be the type to not show that sort of thing.

I thought she did look concerned - maybe not completely freaked but I wouldn't expect her to. I would expect her to be focused on protecting Sun and like you said they haven't shown us much lately. I think inside she's probably a little freaked but she seems to be the type to not show that sort of thing.

Agreed, she's definitely the cool-under-pressure type. Kate knows how to handle herself, and she probably realizes she has bigger fish to fry at the moment.

IUD? Selective sterilization...remember her previous preggo scare? Do you think she'd let that happen again?

because she is stoned out of her mind on Maui Wowie?

Simple: because she knows it's all fake.
Oh god.
Please, just say 'maybe' it really does help. Your theory is not the ultimate theory. It is not fact.

Simple: because she knows it's all fake.

i don't think because she was scared for Sun when she learned from Juliet that pregnant ladies died on the island.
Kate's lack of reaction makes no sense to me! I don't understand her anymore since a few episodes!

I think she either got a sterilization after her wedding (By the way, is she legally still married?) or she was in a stage of her cycle that made conception impossible; so she has nothing to worry about.

She's on the Dharma birth control pill ;)

Maybe she just knows she's not pregnant. Period !

Oh god.
Please, just say 'maybe' it really does help. Your theory is not the ultimate theory. It is not fact.
What, like everyone else's answer to the question is fact? Did the original poster expect an answer that everyone would acknowledge settles it?

How about you just append the word "maybe" mentally before every post in response to the question?

It would be different if the question were something like, "Why would Sun freak about being pregnant?" Someone could answer, "Because Juliet told her that so far pregnancies in that area result in death before the 6th month." This is not that type of question, this is one that invites different answers that would not be so easily provable. It would be superfluous to introduce each explicitly with "maybe".

Robert

The writers know in the end it has to end up Kate and Jack. They set them up from the beginning and to not bring it around full circle wouldn't complete the show really. So, I'm thinking that this whole Sawyer/Kate thing is a distraction for awhile, especially since we're only in season 3. AND, for her to be pregnant with Sawyer's baby would really push the boundaries of betraying the Kate/Jack thing... so I'm thinking they will flash back to Ben and her at dinner, and somehow show Ben convincing her to hook up with Sawyer to 'save Jack' or something - and we find out she was faithful in heart to Jack all along, and she was hooking up with Sawyer to save Jack - while Ben had it all planned so that he could show Jack the two of them on camera, and convince Jack to work with him (Ben).

Then we'd really be getting into soap opera territory IMO. Or Smallville.

Thankfully, Darlton and Michael Emerson have both confirmed in interviews that there was no secret deal or bargaining going on in that breakfast on the beach scene with Ben. No significant extra dialogue that was filmed and later cut. What WAS edited out was Kate being pulled out of her chair by two guards and taken back to the locker room where she struggled briefly to get out of her cuffs before they came to take her to the cages. This is explains why she got her wrists chafed so badly. But that was it. Nothing else. Even Gregg's VIP posts on the breakfast scene and the state of Kate's wrists supports this.

Kate willingly had sex with Sawyer at least three times that we know of. And at least the first time did not use protection. So unless she had her tubes tied, was on a contraceptive patch or had an IUD, she should be worried about falling pregnant.

I'm a bit suspicious of Kate's tears when she approached Sawyer in his tent. It may just have been because of Jack, but I thought there was a shade of bowing to the inevitable about it - as if she was bowing to Ben's demands. The only problem with this is that she'd already done so once (in the cage), so why get so upset now?

I think she either got a sterilization after her wedding (By the way, is she legally still married?) or she was in a stage of her cycle that made conception impossible; so she has nothing to worry about.

If it was a sterilization after wedding....the others would have known it so i don't think!
But the idea of her cycle is a good one! Didn't even thought about that! lol

She's not freaking out because on the day she hears about the pregnant women she just got her period. Hey, there is no reason for her to announce it is there ?

for one thing, she doesn't know about pregnant women dying, or the 5x fertility men experience... maybe they are practicing natural birth control, so she isn't overly worried.

If it was a sterilization after wedding....the others would have known it so i don't think!
Oh yeah, you're right, they'd have known that. That's too bad ... I'd have loved for her to do something like that after getting scared so badly in "I Do".

But the idea of her cycle is a good one! Didn't even thought about that! lol
Thank you!

She's not freaking out because on the day she hears about the pregnant women she just got her period. Hey, there is no reason for her to announce it is there ?
That's exactly my point! :thumbsup:

for one thing, she doesn't know about pregnant women dying, or the 5x fertility men experience... maybe they are practicing natural birth control, so she isn't overly worried.

Yes she does know about the pregnant women dying, as I stated previously Juliet told her when they were trying to save Claire. She may not know everything but she does know that it's dangerous to get pregnant.

I hadn't thought about the others knowing everything...maybe this is a clue that the others have messed up and missed something.

The idea about her cycle is a good one as well. No one has discussed this and I wouldn't expect them to on TV...

remember the afternoon on the beach with Ben? I think he told her that she must get pregnant...and let her choose the father. he was surprised she chose sawyer.
the next two weeks had to do with mating for pregnancy.
no surprise, she has to do it for Ben.

Wow, that's a cool theory! I didn't know that she made a deal with Ben that day. Did I miss something or is that just speculation?

Also, I think that Kate is more concerned about the impending clash with the others and Jack's bizzare behavior (before Greatest Hits), so she's pretty distracted. Maybe they found some condoms somewhere. Or maybe Sawyer shoots blanks. Who knows.

Wow, that's a cool theory! I didn't know that she made a deal with Ben that day. Did I miss something or is that just speculation?

Also, I think that Kate is more concerned about the impending clash with the others and Jack's bizzare behavior (before Greatest Hits), so she's pretty distracted. Maybe they found some condoms somewhere. Or maybe Sawyer shoots blanks. Who knows.
The producers, Michael Emerson and Gregg Nations (in the VIP section) have all confirmed that there was NO deal made between Kate and Ben at the breakfast.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but she's unaware the fertility rate is 5x what it should be, so therefore she sees no reason to really freak out right now.

I don't think she knows about the fertility rate, hence the sperm but she does know that pregnant women die on this island.

Wasn't Kate mentioned as one of the pregnant women whose tent should be marked? Ben did ask on the tape if "Austen's sample" had been finished. That alone would have freaked me out.

I think Kate/Sawyer were upset about hearing her name on Ben's tape, but most of that probably played off-screen. I'm sure this will be touched on at some point during the two-hour season finale.

I'd kind of love it if she just came out and said that her tubes are tied. Maybe she used an alias when she had it done and the Others were unable to trace it.

In Greatest Hits, i was waiting the entire time to hear Kate say as per usual "I will shoot at the explosives" It was quite a quirky decision by the writers to use Bernard, i mean when is he ever used to do any action?

Normally there would be a scene where Jack and Kate would argue over whether or not Kate would volenteer. But not in this ep, zilch.

Normally there would be a scene where Jack and Kate would argue over whether or not Kate would volenteer. But not in this ep, zilch.

You're right, but there is still time for this in the finale!!

My theory is that Kate is actually a ladyboy and Swayer can't resist the gentle yet masculine scent of a she-man concubine.

She definitely heard her name played on the tape. Everyone heard the entire tape and Juliet clearly stated "expect samples from Austen and the other women soon."

Isn't anyone curious about what happened with Kate and Ben when they were alone with each other? Don't you think he did something to her? Why get her all dressed up, have a romantic breakfast on the beach and then send her back with bad bruises from the handcuffs? It was very suspicious. When Sawyer asked her what they did to her, she didn't answer. Ben doesn't do anything for nothing. That was a planned meeting with Kate. I think Ben made some kind of deal with her about Jack and Sawyer. Who knows, maybe she's already pregnant with Ben's child and that's why she's not worried about being pregnant by Sawyer! Ben's a sicko, who knows what he did.

We never saw Kate & Sawyer actually have anal sex in the cages. We saw them making out and then cuddling when Jack looked at the monitors. It is entirely possible that they just had oral sex and decided to call it a day. During their beach sex they probably used proper precaution, maybe Sawyer both wore a condom and pulled out during sex on beach (which dramatically reduces the probability of getting pregnant even if the general probability of getting pregnant on the island is much higher).

We never saw Kate & Sawyer actually have anal sex in the cages.
:confused: sorry, but what would that have to do with getting pregnat or not? :confused:

We saw them making out and then cuddling when Jack looked at the monitors. It is entirely possible that they just had oral sex and decided to call it a day.
The way they were going at each other I highly doubt that (Maybe that's only me but I actually find it hard to believe they settled for only once!).
And TPTB to me don't seem like they'd say "They had sex." repeatedly only to retort to "Well, they didn't go all the way." later.

:confused: sorry, but what would that have to do with getting pregnat or not? :confused:

Sorry, I meant to say vaginal sex.

^.....Okay. Try not to get those mixed up.

Kate willingly had sex with Sawyer at least three times that we know of. And at least the first time did not use protection. So unless she had her tubes tied, was on a contraceptive patch or had an IUD, she should be worried about falling pregnant.

They were on a different island that time though, weren't they?

I think that Kate and Sawyer are both visibly (but not to the casual observer) unnerved by the mention of Kate's name on the tape. It's not like it is public knowledge among our losties that Kate and Sawyer are doing it. They would not have a big freak out in front of everyone else. We will probably see discussion between the two of them later about it, the episodes just haven't had time to squeeze that in yet. My guess is that Kate isn't *totally* freaked out about it because she thinks she is safe because of the time of the month they had sex, she does not however know about the increased sperm count on the island, which also probably increases the viability of sperm which would lengthen the window of opportunity for pregnancy.
Also, In the previews for next week we see Kate make that kind of sad face at Jack when he says "I love you", she is probably wincing a bit that he would say that because she knows she has betrayed him and could be carrying Sawyer's baby.
P.S. This is the first time I've used the spoiler tags so I hope I did it right! : )

It's not like it is public knowledge among our losties that Kate and Sawyer are doing it.

Another good point, but that brings up something else. Why didn't anyone do a double take when Kate was mentioned??

Another good point, but that brings up something else. Why didn't anyone do a double take when Kate was mentioned??
Maybe because they don't know who "Austen" is. That is, if they're playing along, we don't know that many of the Losties have any business knowing Kate's last name. Even Hugo, who read the passenger manifest, might've forgotten that name by now. Most of them also wouldn't know Ben was particularly interested in specimens from females, so they wouldn't even have it narrowed down.

What bugs me more is that I once got booted from here by a mod for a week (or maybe it was 2 weeks) for suggesting that Kate would fellate (using that word, which I thought would be more child-disguised than describing the sexual practice in simpler words) someone, but here we have a thread full of mentions of oral sex, vaginal sex, even anal sex involving Kate, plus some slang expressions.

Robert

Also, did Sawyer give kate an STD?

from Lostpedia:

"Sawyer says that he has never had a blood transfusion or taken pills for malaria but he has paid for sex and received a sexually transmitted disease."

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Sawyer

Also, did Sawyer give kate an STD?

from Lostpedia:

"Sawyer says that he has never had a blood transfusion or taken pills for malaria but he has paid for sex and received a sexually transmitted disease."

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Sawyer
But Jack at least seems to have ruled out a STD in diagnosing Sawyer's headaches. That is, he wouldn't've asked him about it as a joke if he'd thought it were a serious possibility.

I believe Jack really is a doctor, who would take medicine seriously even in a situation like this. I'm also pretty sure Sawyer isn't in on any conspiracy, and doesn't know what's going on around him more than is ostensible. Therefore I strongly doubt he would have a STD. Whatever the Island Powers are doing, it's not a repeat of the Tuskegee experiment.

Robert

Good lord, I don't know how many times we've gone over this. ;) No worries, in answer to the STD question, Sawyer specifically mentions knowing what Amoxycillin is, due to having a burning problem in Tallahassee that wasn't from the sun. This was in the season 2 episode where Jack and Sawyer had a poker game. It implies that whatever problem he had was easily curable with a dose of anti-biotics.

As for the whole on or off island thing. I guess it depends on how many operating facilities there were. Was Sabine treated at the Staff, or Alcatraz? There is no conclusive evidence either way that Alcatraz is exempt from the Island's influence since presumably it's still within the strange borders that keep people stuck on the island or unable to navigate in or out of its waters without sonar help.

Jack has had Sawyer on anti-biotics twice in 70+ days so unless Sawyer has Aids or Herpes I think it's safe to say he's probably the least infected man on the island.

Why would Kate be freaking out? What good would it do at this point to freak out? If she's pregnant she's pregnant. As for the other Losties not raising an eye brow over Kate's name being mentioned, well that would most likely be due to the fact that they are all adults and assume that after that many days boys and girls are hooking up, but aren't going to get all high school about it and giggle and point and gossip about who is boffing who.........well, not in front of each other anyway.

Why would Kate be freaking out? What good would it do at this point to freak out? If she's pregnant she's pregnant.


if she's pregnant she's supposed to die before the third trimester...i think that's a reason to freak out!

Why would Kate be freaking out? What good would it do at this point to freak out? If she's pregnant she's pregnant. As for the other Losties not raising an eye brow over Kate's name being mentioned, well that would most likely be due to the fact that they are all adults and assume that after that many days boys and girls are hooking up, but aren't going to get all high school about it and giggle and point and gossip about who is boffing who.........well, not in front of each other anyway.

I didn't mean they should giggle and point, however adults are prone to gossip just as much as teenagers. For anyone who thinks otherwise, the next time you are a party, listen to your friends and other people at the party. I realize that people would be hooking up and that wouldn't be a surprise but with this whole situation and no one actually seeing Kate and Sawyer acting like a couple I would at least look at Kate...however as someone said they probably don't know her last name.

if she's pregnant she's supposed to die before the third trimester...i think that's a reason to freak out!

Again, what good does it do to freak out? Is freaking out going to make her not die? Nope. Should she be running around saying, "Omg, omg! Sawyer's baby could be trying to eat its way out of me! Help! Help!"

She can freak out when the baby's little hand comes punching through her abdomen Alien style. Now that would be a reason to freak out.

I suppose once they get past the immediate danger they are all in she could schedule a freak out session with Dr. Shephard or Dr. Burke, take a test and schedule a good old-fashioned island abortion.

Sun knows for sure she's been issued a death sentence and isn't freaking out so why should Kate be freaking out?

For anyone who thinks otherwise, the next time you are a party, listen to your friends and other people at the party. I realize that people would be hooking up and that wouldn't be a surprise but with this whole situation and no one actually seeing Kate and Sawyer acting like a couple I would at least look at Kate...however as someone said they probably don't know her last name.

I'm the type that wouldn't give Kate the "Girl, who you been boinking" look. Why? Because it's none of my business. I guess that's why I don't see the issue with the nonresponse.

I'm sure all of this will be addressed in Season 4. Hurley and Charlie can compare Sawyer and Jack's mad skillz and decide which one of them knocked her up and Claire and Sun can be all giggly over which guy Kate was lucky enough to get horizontal with. Of course none of them will just come right out and ask Kate. What fun would that be? ;)

I would have thought every time her name was mentioned in the pregnant woman list she'd want one of Sawyer's pregnancy tests?

My first tought would be she had her tubes snipped

I'm the type that wouldn't give Kate the "Girl, who you been boinking" look. Why? Because it's none of my business. I guess that's why I don't see the issue with the nonresponse.

I didn't say I had an issue with it......whoa people settle down here. It was a passing comment and all of a sudden everyone is insulted and giving me the "we're not in high school" comments. That's great and all but guess what, human nature is what it is.

I didn't say that I would give her that kind of look either. It would a look of "whoa", why do they want a sample from you - what does that mean, especially if I happened to be her friend like Sun...not to mention that Sun knows what pregnancy means also and if she knew Kate's last name I would expect her to look at Kate with an "uh oh", "what were you thinking"...or a "No you dint" kind of look.

Anyway it was a passing comment - didn't need this much discussion...carry on....

I had been wondering this too, but last week, I think I did see her freaking out a bit. Right after Carl makes his fateful announcement ("they're coming RIGHT NOW!"), he apparently gives his info to all the losties and as they pan across them to show Jack talking, you see Kate in the background looking worried and clasping her hands. She also questioned Juliet about "experimenting on US". She knows that she's a potential target, I just think she's not one to start crying and expressing her worry to others like clare or the other more "girly" girls.
I also agree that she might know something. Ben and the others said and/or did something to her we have not seen (remember her cut up wrists). She may have agreed to become pregnant to save the other women, or may know that she can't get pregnant for some reason.
Also, it's highly likely that she and Sawyer used protection. Sawyer collected everything from the luggage that was worth keeping. Lots of people travel with condoms. They are probably one of the most common toiletries carried on planes. A guy like Sawyer would definitely collect those.