I had until I recently was reading her character page on the lostpedia website. I opening sentence reads.

"According to Naomi, she worked for a company hired by Penelope Widmore."

According to Naomi???? That raised a little suspicion, then I read later....

"While still apparently dazed, she spoke to him(Mikael) in a foreign language and he claimed she thanked him for saving her. She actually said: "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese for "I am not alone".

Was she refering to her crew 80 miles off shore, or someone a little closer (i.e. the Looking Glass)?

I almost think.....

She's not working for Penelope, we do know of another certain somebody who dislikes Desmonds, who's associated with Dharma, and may be looking for him too... i.e Pen's father

Good call! I almost forgot about her not saying "thank you", to Mikhail.
Others have speculated that her saying "I am not alone", was a method of protection. Like, "Don't even try to kill me, I am not alone here", but I don't really buy that.
I think someone or some organization (Widmore?) may be trying to infiltrate the DI. I am not alone would refer to the fact that a large number of people were able to find the island, and were waiting.

I don't trust her.

I think it's way too early to call this one. Imagine being Naomi - you've crashed your helicopter on Craphole Island in a scouting trip to get some idea as to what the Island is all about. You're rescued by some people who are supposed to be dead, as well as the very man your trying to find (Des). And then suddenly you find that a bunch of other people are coming to blow everyone away. It seems all so crazy and confusing that it's little wonder that she seems a little suspicious. She's trying to figure things out, and so is holding her cards close to her chest. At this point in time, though, I would be unwilling to say whether I trust her or not. She hasn't done anything overtly to earn distrust, unless all the stuff she's been telling them turns out to be lies. But we don't know that yet. Too bad they don't get any reception from the outside world to find out what the media is really saying about them... Then we would know whether Naomi is making the whole story of them supposed to be dead up or not.

I think it's way too early to call this one. Imagine being Naomi - you've crashed your helicopter on Craphole Island in a scouting trip to get some idea as to what the Island is all about. You're rescued by some people who are supposed to be dead, as well as the very man your trying to find (Des). And then suddenly you find that a bunch of other people are coming to blow everyone away. It seems all so crazy and confusing that it's little wonder that she seems a little suspicious. She's trying to figure things out, and so is holding her cards close to her chest. At this point in time, though, I would be unwilling to say whether I trust her or not. She hasn't done anything overtly to earn distrust, unless all the stuff she's been telling them turns out to be lies. But we don't know that yet. Too bad they don't get any reception from the outside world to find out what the media is really saying about them... Then we would know whether Naomi is making the whole story of them supposed to be dead up or not.

Bad thing is, she doesn't seem upset or scared or surprised at all. She stands there chatting to Charlie about his band, looking all clean and happy like she got done shopping at the mall. :rolleyes: I don't trust her, but it might be because I don't like her.

If she was one of the Others, why the hell would Mikhail run into camp flailing his arms yelling that a lady had just parachuted onto the island?

I trust her cause she seems kind of dumb. For some reason, the less bright people seem more trustworthy.

I thought it was really weird how she talked to Charlie, I mean, as soon as he said he was in a band, with all of the media attention she makes it sound like he got, she should have said, "No, way! Are you Charlie Pace?" Instead it takes her awhile to "get" who he is/was, like rockstars die on planes all the time. She should have recognized his face from media alone........unless you believe that more time has passed off island. Then her reaction would make more sense.

I trust her. She had the pic of Penny and Desmond so I think she was definitely working for Penny. As someone else said, Mikhail went and told Ben a parachutist landed on the island. I think people don't like her because of the news she brought (they were all dead) and because she told Sayid to remind her not to rescue him, but I think she's telling what she believes to be the truth.

If she was one of the Others, why the hell would Mikhail run into camp flailing his arms yelling that a lady had just parachuted onto the island?

I trust her cause she seems kind of dumb. For some reason, the less bright people seem more trustworthy.
Because Mikhail was expecting someone (whoever is their contact off island) to send someone to reestablish communications when Locke "entered 77" which indicated a hostile takeover. Mikhail wanted her communications device.

Because Mikhail was expecting someone (whoever is their contact off island) to send someone to reestablish communications when Locke "entered 77" which indicated a hostile takeover. Mikhail wanted her communications device.

When Mikhail told Ben "A woman just parachuted onto the island", Ben's reaction was a giant "WHAT?" That's not the reaction you'd expect from someone who expects reinforcements.

Also, if you're expecting someone, you'll say "The reinforcements you were expecting have arrived", not "A woman just parachuted onto the island".

There's never been any indication that the Others know much about Desmond. I find it unlkely then that they could have come up with the picture and the story just in case she happens to be found by the flight 815 survivors. I am inclined to believe her story.

I don't trust her.

Me either!!!

she is not an other but i dont think she is being straight with everyone. she is from the same town as Charlie. His death apparently received international attention and a release of his greatest hits. His face would have been everywhere, especially in Manchester...yet she didnt recognize him. He had to tell her who she was before she lamented about how "famous" he is now that he is dead. That doesnt fit...

I don't trust her at all. Jack and Juliet exchanged a "look" when they heard about the parachutist so something was known in that regard. Plus, when she was found, she kept switching languages until she found one that Mikail could understand but the losties could not. Very suspicious behavor.

I don't think Naomi is working for Penny at all. I believe we'll find out very soon.

When Mikhail told Ben "A woman just parachuted onto the island", Ben's reaction was a giant "WHAT?" That's not the reaction you'd expect from someone who expects reinforcements.

Also, if you're expecting someone, you'll say "The reinforcements you were expecting have arrived", not "A woman just parachuted onto the island".

I don't think she's necessarilly an Other, because remember the Others are really the Hostiles after the purge, so she could be somehow associated with the Dharma initiative's original members.

Someone said there's no reason not to trust her, but I think there is. Her story sounds too good to be true, it's too easy to believe and that's what makes this show so great. Everytime we think we know something, we find out a twist. She's gotta be apart of some sort of twist. *2 cents*

I don't trust her as I don't trust anyone associated with any Widmore.

I don't trust her at all. Jack and Juliet exchanged a "look" when they heard about the parachutist so something was known in that regard. Plus, when she was found, she kept switching languages until she found one that Mikail could understand but the losties could not. Very suspicious behavor.

I don't think Naomi is working for Penny at all. I believe we'll find out very soon.

My sentiments exactly, she's up to no good. :mad:

She seems pretty casual about all the goings on and wierdness on the Island, like none of it is "out of the ordinary"....or she already has knowledge of what to expect on this Island.

I don't trust her.

Penny's father is sneaky...he's undermined her before.
I feel certain HE has knowledge of the Island, and would do pretty much anything to ensure that Des and Penny don't reunite.

trust her?
heck no, no idea why the losties have instantly accepted her either...

i think she is easily accepted because she is loaded with stories of their demise. Its odd that no one thought to just grill the heck out of her on that. The Losties dont have the capacity to theorize on parallel dimensions and time continuum issues like we do so its odd that they so easily accept that, according to Naomi, the outside world has already recovered their bodies.

I mean if someone saw you and told you how odd it was to see you because it was all over the news that you were dead...wouldnt you think that person was completely insane? You wouldnt rummage around in your head about the possibilities of multiple dimensions or shrug it off with a smile. You would absolutely avoid that person or give her the nth degree...

Both parties are acting odd about this. The Losties are saying..."so were dead and they found our bodies. Ok I can buy that" and the woman is saying "Oh look a plane full of dead people up and walking around...no big whoop". Its too odd to accept her behavior and its odd that the Losties havent given her the Henry Gale treatment.

How could the others not know about Desmond? He was living in the hatch with a camera on him for years.

I don't trust naomi at all, there's something shifty about her!

Someone said there's no reason not to trust her, but I think there is. Her story sounds too good to be true, it's too easy to believe

Boy, I'm glad I'm not trapped on an island with you guys! My story would fit together too perfectly, and you'd never believe me! ;)

I definitely don't think that Naomi is affiliated with the Others- there's too much pointing otherwise, and that would be a pretty sophisticated ploy, even for them. However, she does seem too good to be true.
Also, since it's been established Lost is going to be around until 2010, clearly her boat (if it exists) isn't going to be swinging by anytime soon.

i think she is easily accepted because she is loaded with stories of their demise. Its odd that no one thought to just grill the heck out of her on that. The Losties dont have the capacity to theorize on parallel dimensions and time continuum issues like we do so its odd that they so easily accept that, according to Naomi, the outside world has already recovered their bodies.

I mean if someone saw you and told you how odd it was to see you because it was all over the news that you were dead...wouldnt you think that person was completely insane? You wouldnt rummage around in your head about the possibilities of multiple dimensions or shrug it off with a smile. You would absolutely avoid that person or give her the nth degree...

Both parties are acting odd about this. The Losties are saying..."so were dead and they found our bodies. Ok I can buy that" and the woman is saying "Oh look a plane full of dead people up and walking around...no big whoop". Its too odd to accept her behavior and its odd that the Losties havent given her the Henry Gale treatment.

Exactly - I've been having a discussion about that on the board for last week's ep:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=79469

I get the impression that Naomi is sort of a double agent - she's on the island as a result of the DHARMA/Hanso/Widmore connection but she's moonlighting on the side for Penny (Widmore's daughter).

Her story just doesn't add up when you look into it but it's as if it's designed to contain everything that the Losties want to hear to get them to unconditionally accept her. They didn't buy 'Henry Gale's' story of ballooning onto the Island, if it wasn't for the Des/Penny + hope of rescue angle they probably wouldn't be so trusting of her either.

Someone said there's no reason not to trust her, but I think there is.

But isn't that a Catch-22?

Her story sounds fishy? She's hiding something!
Her story ALMOST makes sense except for a few tiny details? Ha, good try! Caught ya!
Her story makes perfect sense? Now THAT sounds suspicious!

Don't really TRUST her. But am accepting of her being there. Unlike Pikki. If she lives long enough (and on this Island, who can say?), she may just have a heck of a role to play, and a good new backstory!

She can stay. ;)

Don't really TRUST her. But am accepting of her being there. Unlike Pikki. If she lives long enough (and on this Island, who can say?), she may just have a heck of a role to play, and a good new backstory!

She can stay. ;)

Apparently TPTB have said that Paulo might have had a pretty good backstory - if the fans hadn't been so vehemently anti-Paulo and Nikki.

In fact, I suspect that Naomi may be a 'replacement' for the role that they would have had Paulo play.

She can stay. ;)

I not only trust Naomi, I think she's very cute !!
She's the closest thing to a normal person we've seen on the island sofar..

(ok, maybe my hormones are acting up :biggrin: bwahaha. No, they're not :cool: )

I not only trust Naomi, I think she's very cute !!
She's the closest thing to a normal person we've seen on the island sofar..

(ok, maybe my hormones are acting up :biggrin: bwahaha. No, they're not :cool: )



Agreed. Her hotness gives her the benefit of the doubt.

As far as trusting her? We don't even trust the original losties most of the time. Jack is in the crosshairs right now as a potential others sympathizer.
Nobody is taken at face value, thats the fun of it.

I hope she sticks around.

Exactly - I've been having a discussion about that on the board for last week's ep:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=79469

I get the impression that Naomi is sort of a double agent - she's on the island as a result of the DHARMA/Hanso/Widmore connection but she's moonlighting on the side for Penny (Widmore's daughter).

Her story just doesn't add up when you look into it but it's as if it's designed to contain everything that the Losties want to hear to get them to unconditionally accept her. They didn't buy 'Henry Gale's' story of ballooning onto the Island, if it wasn't for the Des/Penny + hope of rescue angle they probably wouldn't be so trusting of her either.

I don't trust her one bit. I too believe that she isn't affiliated with Penny Widmore, but rather her father, who has ties with the original Dharma Initiative and the Hanso Foundation.

The Others have gone to painstaking efforts to make it appear as though the Dharma Initiative is still functioning on a basic level. They wear the clothes, live in the houses, eat the food and use the facilities. They even wear Dharma's creepy theater costumes:biggrin:. My guess is they operate all of the important facilities and communication portals to keep the Dharma/Hanso benefactors from growing suspicious. This explains why they left Kelvin, and then Desmond to press that damn button for so long. They have a willing participant fearfully doing a task already and another facility to monitor the situation. So why would they need to inform or get rid of Desmond. The Others/Hostiles have been keeping as low of a profile as they could, until Desmond imploded the Swan station which alerted Penny Widmore's team in the arctic.

Now, a man as powerful and meddling as Charles Widmore isn't going to turn a blind eye to his daughter pouring millions of dollars into a search and rescue operation (considering his hatred of her ex-fiancé). But more importantly when Mr. Widmore gets word that his daughter has in fact located her target that happens to be in the same vicinity as a secret research facility that he's been quietly funding for decades, he's going to put two and two together. I'm not sure if Locke's "enter 77" move in the Flame station did much of anything, but this also could be another failsafe put in by Dharma to alert the outside world.

Bottom line, it is my belief that Naomi is indeed "not alone." In fact, the ship that she wants to contact probably has about 200 black-ops mercenaries ready to reclaim Hanso property. The only question I have is if Paik, Widmore and/or Hanso will be making the trip themselves.

Too bad they don't get any reception from the outside world to find out what the media is really saying about them... Then we would know whether Naomi is making the whole story of them supposed to be dead up or not.

Well, we do have Locke's dad saying that Locke died in a plane crash.

she is not an other but i dont think she is being straight with everyone. she is from the same town as Charlie. His death apparently received international attention and a release of his greatest hits. His face would have been everywhere, especially in Manchester...yet she didnt recognize him. He had to tell her who she was before she lamented about how "famous" he is now that he is dead. That doesnt fit...

When she said that Charlie had a greatest hits album out, I had to hit pause and mention that this didn't make sense since Driveshaft only had ONE HIT! "You all everybody.... you all everyone......!"

Well, we do have Locke's dad saying that Locke died in a plane crash.

Yeah, that's true. It does go some to lending credence to support Naomi's story about the plane being found at the bottom of some oceanic trench. But Cooper didn't just come right out and say "I thought you were dead - because they found your body in the bottom of an oceanic trench along with the rest of the passengers on the plane." It he'd said that it would have pretty well cinched it. But he just said he thought he'd died in the plane crash, which could be interpreted that he was just surmising it since they'd not found the plane wreckage and had given up the search...

There's never been any indication that the Others know much about Desmond. I find it unlkely then that they could have come up with the picture and the story just in case she happens to be found by the flight 815 survivors. I am inclined to believe her story.
I have to disagree, I think there is a possibility that the Others knew of Desmond from watching him in the Pearl station. Surely they knew of the Swan and the need for someone to push the button. I think there's a chance that Desmond is one of the others along with Naomi (Penny too from the connection her father has).

I have to disagree, I think there is a possibility that the Others knew of Desmond from watching him in the Pearl station. Surely they knew of the Swan and the need for someone to push the button. I think there's a chance that Desmond is one of the others along with Naomi (Penny too from the connection her father has).
definitely. i'm suprised at how many people i have heard/seen say the others didn't know about desmond. we know they watched jack in the swan, it's seems unlikely that it took them over 10 years to go "Hey why don't we try watching the tvs in the pearl!" They had to have seen desmond/inman/radinsky/and anyone else who at one point was in the swan since the hostiles took control of the pearl.

i think she is easily accepted because she is loaded with stories of their demise. Its odd that no one thought to just grill the heck out of her on that. The Losties dont have the capacity to theorize on parallel dimensions and time continuum issues like we do so its odd that they so easily accept that, according to Naomi, the outside world has already recovered their bodies.

I mean if someone saw you and told you how odd it was to see you because it was all over the news that you were dead...wouldnt you think that person was completely insane? You wouldnt rummage around in your head about the possibilities of multiple dimensions or shrug it off with a smile. You would absolutely avoid that person or give her the nth degree...

Both parties are acting odd about this. The Losties are saying..."so were dead and they found our bodies. Ok I can buy that" and the woman is saying "Oh look a plane full of dead people up and walking around...no big whoop". Its too odd to accept her behavior and its odd that the Losties havent given her the Henry Gale treatment.

If I believed she was telling the truth, I would first think that the outside world really does believe we are dead and whoever is behind all these experiments on the island is the real reason why were are on the island. She said robots and cameras were sent to verify the wreckage, so I'd think that the resulting video was just a forgery to create an illusion that were are dead, so no one will continue to look for us. That way whoever is in charge of the island is actually able to do whatever he wants with us without worrying about anyone finding out.
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Boy, I'm glad I'm not trapped on an island with you guys! My story would fit together too perfectly, and you'd never believe me! ;)


HAHAHA, tough to trust new people when you find yourself in the middle of a major conspiracy. I honestly don't think her story is true because there is no way to verify it. Besides, how long should it take for her crew to come rescue her. Remember the Losties aren't being rescued because they are 1000 miles off course in the middle of hte Pacific. Naomi should have been in radio communications with her team up until her helio broke the clouds and she saw the island, they should know where she is within a matter of maybe a mile or two. And they haven't come to get her yet????????

SOMEBODY IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!
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I not only trust Naomi, I think she's very cute !!
She's the closest thing to a normal person we've seen on the island sofar..

(ok, maybe my hormones are acting up :biggrin: bwahaha. No, they're not :cool: )

True indeed she is fine, but isn't that even more of a reason not to trust her..... you know these fine women out here can easily deceive us. :biggrin:

I don't trust her because Sayid doesn't trust her and Sayid is never wrong when it comes to things like this. Henry Gale anyone?

I don't trust her because Sayid doesn't trust her and Sayid is never wrong when it comes to things like this. Henry Gale anyone?

Sayid seems to trust her now, plus why would Ben be so worried about her if she was an other. We can trust Naomi.

I don't trust her, but I don't think she is an other either. I guess that I haven't thought out fully what I think of her yet. Right now she is the character I like to be suspicious of...I hope she is around for a bit.

I do not trust her.I am not sure yet who she is, and where she came from (I do not believe Penny send her).
Now for me she's like the female Henry Gale ;)
She will be killed off in the finale, so maybe we will never find out who she is

:heartben:

I do not trust her. I am not sure yet who she is, and where she came from (I do not believe Penny send her).
Now for me she's like the female Henry Gale ;)
She will be killed off in the finale, so maybe we will never find out who she is


You hurt my feelings :frown:
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True indeed she is fine, but isn't that even more of a reason not to trust her..... you know these fine women out here can easily deceive us. :biggrin:

I know, I know. But the heart has reasons that the reason don't know about... :cool:

Here's a curious point about Naomi that my friend just brought up:

How the hell do you eject out of a helicopter while it's still in flight? Wouldn't she have been caught up in the rotors and killed?

maybe the rotors stopped in midair and she jumped at precisley the right moment, or maybe it was just a goof by the producers...

I thought it was really weird how she talked to Charlie, I mean, as soon as he said he was in a band, with all of the media attention she makes it sound like he got, she should have said, "No, way! Are you Charlie Pace?" Instead it takes her awhile to "get" who he is/was, like rockstars die on planes all the time. She should have recognized his face from media alone........unless you believe that more time has passed off island. Then her reaction would make more sense.

You're making something out of nothing. I don't know every lame Rock star who's died recently (have any? I don't care) and Charlie would look a lot different trapped on an island for a long time, plus people can look different in real life.

I don't know enough about her yet - I'm going to hope she's a friend and not a foe.:frown:

Good catch.
Now I dont trust her.