i think is was damon who said it, but it came out of a response to the dead/purgatory theory. something like this;
" ..they are not dead, they are living breathing people who are somewhere in the time/space continuum.."



im trying to find video or transcripts, so if anyone can help, feel free.

yes one of them definately said they are somewhere in the space time continuem

Yeah I picked up on this too. They specifically avoided saying "on this planet". How many people that aren't physicists refer to all of possibility as "the space/time continuum"?

Definitely a clue.

yes one of them definately said they are somewhere in the space time continuemI missed the episode. "They" being the people living on the island or what?

I missed the episode. "They" being the people living on the island or what?


"they" being TPTB during the abc special





Yeah I picked up on this too. They specifically avoided saying "on this planet". How many people that aren't physicists refer to all of possibility as "the space/time continuum"?

Definitely a clue.

right! it's a very specific concept

It's just a fancy way of saying they're in reality.

I think they sais this to make sure people understood that the Losties were not going to end up like the Saint Elsewhere snowglobe ... just imaginary.

They also said that "they had stated previously that they were not in purgatory" ... as a matter of fact both of them mentioned this.

Yeah I picked up on this too. They specifically avoided saying "on this planet". How many people that aren't physicists refer to all of possibility as "the space/time continuum"?

Definitely a clue.

it has to be earth, or else the science team would not have detected the hatch going critical

Yeah I picked up on this too. They specifically avoided saying "on this planet". How many people that aren't physicists refer to all of possibility as "the space/time continuum"?

Definitely a clue.

Huh? I think you are picking up on something that wasn't there. I don't think they avoided saying anything. "On this planet" just wasn't on the tip of Damon's tongue at that moment.

"They are not in purgatory. They are not ghosts. They are alive, living and breathing somewhere in the space-time continuum"

I heard this, too. But I have no idea what it means, maybe the time travel theories are correct. Or he could have just said it to mean real time, like some of the others have said. But nothing is said on lost that doesn't have a meaning.

AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! I'm so confused!!:confused:

It was absolutely deliberate that Damon said somewhere in the "space/time continuum". Had nothing to do with tip of the tounge. It was deliberate. I am not a fan of the time travel theories running around, but Damon definitely is not negating those theories they way they negated the theories of purgatory. Still doesn't mean its true... they just still want us to not know.

SOMEWHERE....
I love they mentioned the concept of space-TIME continuum.
Remember...Alternate Timelines!!!!!

I don't think proves alternate time lines, but it certainly does not put them to bed either.

I guess we all have to "wait, watch, and see" (Gregg Nations) :undecide:

It was absolutely deliberate that Damon said somewhere in the "space/time continuum". Had nothing to do with tip of the tounge. It was deliberate. I am not a fan of the time travel theories running around, but Damon definitely is not negating those theories they way they negated the theories of purgatory. Still doesn't mean its true... they just still want us to not know.

I think sickotriz was saying that it was a stretch to say that they "avoided" saying anything about which planet our Losties are on. I agree. It didn't come up and wasn't part of the conversation. There wasn't anything to avoid.

It was absolutely deliberate that Damon said somewhere in the "space/time continuum". Had nothing to do with tip of the tounge. It was deliberate. I am not a fan of the time travel theories running around, but Damon definitely is not negating those theories they way they negated the theories of purgatory. Still doesn't mean its true... they just still want us to not know.

I hope that this statement opens up some minds as to the possibility (probability) that there is some type of time shift/time discrep...call it what you will.

With the prior statements on the show (Mittelos=Lost Time..."only fools are enslaved by time and space."...etc.) added to the statement by Damon...I don't think anyone can deny that there is something going on with time.

If it is that time on the island moves slower/faster...who knows...but all of you "time shift haters" better get back on board.

I have felt since watching seasons 1 and 2 over on DVD and watching each season 3 epi 3 or 4 times on DVR that Jack has had some type of Desmond experience too...they just have not shown it yet.

I also believe that there are other Losties that we will see in future episodes that have also had the Des experience.

Sorry, you guys are reading way too much into this. This isn't the first time they've used that phrase and they've already stated before that there is no intentional meaning or intention behind it.. It's just the way they talk.. Shouldn't be surprising to any of you considering they are sci-fi geeks at heart.

I think sickotriz was saying that it was a stretch to say that they "avoided" saying anything about which planet our Losties are on. I agree. It didn't come up and wasn't part of the conversation. There wasn't anything to avoid.

Thanks, that's exactly what I meant.

I still keep my mind open to time weirdness for the island, but other planets? I don't really consider that at all.

I caught that and was like.... "Um, that was intentional."

I think it was intentional, but rather than "proving" any theories about timeshifts and alternate timelines, they are simply "not disproving" any such theories to keep everybody happy and guessing. There are still 49 more episodes to go, and a lot of ground to cover.

Well, you guys can hold out against it, but for me the clues are too abundant to discount something is going on with time. The biggest being Des's flashback/flashforwards, and Penny knowing to watch for the magnetic anomolies, especially since the Antarctic team saw the second one (when Des turned the key), and that they missed the first one (when Des almost missed pushing the button and brought down 815). What Damon said in this recap only reaffirms the time theories for me!

Well, you guys can hold out against it, but for me the clues are too abundant to discount something is going on with time. The biggest being Des's flashback/flashforwards, and Penny knowing to watch for the magnetic anomolies, especially since the Antarctic team saw the second one (when Des turned the key), and that they missed the first one (when Des almost missed pushing the button and brought down 815). What Damon said in this recap only reaffirms the time theories for me!

True dat!

it could be an alternate reality and NOT have anything to do with time travel

I have felt since watching seasons 1 and 2 over on DVD and watching each season 3 epi 3 or 4 times on DVR that Jack has had some type of Desmond experience too...they just have not shown it yet.

I also believe that there are other Losties that we will see in future episodes that have also had the Des experience.

I agree with you. There are so many clues that indicate Jack has experienced some of this before. Maybe Jin too.

it has to be earth, or else the science team would not have detected the hatch going critical

Great point.

I hope that this statement opens up some minds as to the possibility (probability) that there is some type of time shift/time discrep...call it what you will.

With the prior statements on the show (Mittelos=Lost Time..."only fools are enslaved by time and space."...etc.) added to the statement by Damon...I don't think anyone can deny that there is something going on with time.

If it is that time on the island moves slower/faster...who knows...but all of you "time shift haters" better get back on board.

I have felt since watching seasons 1 and 2 over on DVD and watching each season 3 epi 3 or 4 times on DVR that Jack has had some type of Desmond experience too...they just have not shown it yet.

I also believe that there are other Losties that we will see in future episodes that have also had the Des experience.

Well, you guys can hold out against it, but for me the clues are too abundant to discount something is going on with time. The biggest being Des's flashback/flashforwards, and Penny knowing to watch for the magnetic anomolies, especially since the Antarctic team saw the second one (when Des turned the key), and that they missed the first one (when Des almost missed pushing the button and brought down 815). What Damon said in this recap only reaffirms the time theories for me!

I agree that something's going on with the time. Either it moves differently or the "Looking Glass" can distort it, or something.

Using the space time contiuum phrase reminded me of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Picard was always flirting with possible damage the the contiuum. Hell, Q used it as his plaything. I think it'll probably play out to have been a spoiler.

it could be an alternate reality and NOT have anything to do with time travel

Perhaps time travel is the wrong phrase.

Let's all agree that there is a time shift/loop/alternate reality going on here.

Call it what you will.

Perhaps time travel is the wrong phrase.

Let's all agree that there is a time shift/loop/alternate reality going on here.

Call it what you will.

When my sister and I talk about it, we call it the "time wonk." This covers all categories: loops, bubbles, shifts, alternate realities, parallel universes, etc.

For example, in Greatest Hits, we determined that Charlie playing in the rain was not a "time wonk" since he was wearing different clothes than the day Desmond ran into him. However, we have yet to determine if the magically repairing lantern in Jacob's Shack was a time wonk or just a continuity error.

It works as a verb, too. As in: "Desmond has definitely been wonked by time." :)

When my sister and I talk about it, we call it the "time wonk." This covers all categories: loops, bubbles, shifts, alternate realities, parallel universes, etc.

For example, in Greatest Hits, we determined that Charlie playing in the rain was not a "time wonk" since he was wearing different clothes than the day Desmond ran into him. However, we have yet to determine if the magically repairing lantern in Jacob's Shack was a time wonk or just a continuity error.

It works as a verb, too. As in: "Desmond has definitely been wonked by time." :)


Wonk it is! I like it.

Can we all agree that there is some kind of WONK going on here?

(that's great...hilarious LOF!)

You guys know what the space/time continuum is, right? We're in it, right now. As you read this, you are in the space/time continuum.

You guys know what the space/time continuum is, right? We're in it, right now. As you read this, you are in the space/time continuum.

I think the emphasis in this thread is on the "somewhere" part of this quote, not the space/time continuum bit! :biggrin:

You guys know what the space/time continuum is, right? We're in it, right now. As you read this, you are in the space/time continuum.

I think the emphasis in this thread is on the "somewhere" part of this quote, not the space/time continuum bit! :biggrin:


actually KingMe122 makes my point perfectly.

so, all he said by that phrase is that its in a reality we subscribe to.

this one.

but, each universe would have its own time/space cont.

They need Marty to play "Johnny Be Good" and be in the DeLorean before lightning strikes the clock tower to make things right again... :biggrin:

OMG, they said "living and breathing"!!!!!! Does that mean they don't have internal organs except for the lungs and the heart????? Otherwise they would have said "living, breathing, digesting, pooping and farting in the space/time continuum", right?????

Yeah, I'm kidding. :biggrin:
Thank goodness it's called "The Answers". I don't even want to imagine the chaos if it was called "The Questions" :rolleyes:

I agree that the particular use of that term was chosen for a reason. And I've said this 1000 times and I'll say it again: ALTERNATE PARALLEL TIMELINES!!!

Watch the movie Deja vu for a better understanding of this.

Alternate timelines are a stupid idea and I hope the show doesn't go there.

Ok space/time continuum doesn't mean another planet - not sure where that came from. I agree the focus should be on the somewhere ...why would they say somewhere and not - they are on an island somewhere in the south pacific or whatever?

I like the idea of parallel universes or alternate timelines...and for those of us who are sci-fi geeks and quantum physics and all that it doesn't seem that out there.

Alternate timelines are a stupid idea and I hope the show doesn't go there.

I guess you havent read my theory, ugh? Too bad...;)

So a memory-reading black cloud is OK, but alternate timelines that could explain that are stupid?

Yes, they are.

Alternate timelines are a stupid idea...

And why, in your opinion are alternate timelines stupid...?

Because anything can happen, and if they decide it wasn't a good idea, they can go all 'lolz dat wuz the odder timeline!" It's just too confusing.

Because anything can happen, and if they decide it wasn't a good idea, they can go all 'lolz dat wuz the odder timeline!" It's just too confusing.

If there are other timelines, I don't think they'd do what you're talking about... and for the same reason that you mentioned, it'd be too confusing.

There may be alternate timelines and I'd be fine with it, but if they use it in the manner that you're mentioning, then I agree, that'd be terribly lame.

I think I just misunderstood what you guys were talking about. What's the kind you meant?

I think I just misunderstood what you guys were talking about. What's the kind you meant?

Actually, it sounds like you understand it... multiple timelines running parrallel with each other, each one slightly different than the others. And if something happened that the viewers don't like (ie: Paulo and Nikki") then they could be tossed aside by saying that they were only on the plane in One of the timelines, but not the one that we're watching.

It's just that we wouldn't know which one we were watching at one time. We wouldn't know what was going on. It would almost be like watching another rip off show.

It's just that we wouldn't know which one we were watching at one time.

It wouldn't matter though... the one that we were watching would be the one that the show is based off of.

Wait... So they don't show the other ones? So what's the point?

Wait... So they don't show the other ones? So what's the point?

It depends really. One theory on this board is that somehow objects from one timeline can be brought into the current one. Or that a character (like Desmond) could jump between them. Or that the plane from one timeline somehow crossed into the current one and that's the plane (and passengers) that Naomi is talking about when she says they found the flight with no survivors.

I think I just misunderstood what you guys were talking about. What's the kind you meant?
This is my personal view on the subject:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77941

Well, we know that Des was in some different time line...or something...else that wes one hell of a dream.

Having never seen the jewelry shop woman before (can't remember her name now) he would have had to dream her...doubt that happened.

I think that Des' flashback (wonk) was shown to the audience to let us know that something is going on here that is not exclusive to Desmond. It is my strong belief that we will soon see another castaway go thru a similar experience as des.

I watched the Answers epi again yesterday and something Carton said struck me as odd...he said that they show our characters in their past...present...and will also show "what they will become"

"The changes for these characters is really what the end game is all about."

I'm curious as to what some of our Losties will become...will 2 of them "become" Adam and Eve...Jacob????

Yeah I picked up on this too. They specifically avoided saying "on this planet". How many people that aren't physicists refer to all of possibility as "the space/time continuum"?

Definitely a clue.

Which planet wasn't the question. He didn't specifically avoid saying anything. And 90% of all nerds use the phrase "space-time continuum" on a daily basis. It was not a clue, just a direct statement that they are not in purgatory, heaven, hell, or any other description of the spiritual world. If taken literally, it's furthermore a statement that they are not in any other kind of alternate dimension, alternate universe, or alternate timeline.
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I agree that the particular use of that term was chosen for a reason. And I've said this 1000 times and I'll say it again: ALTERNATE PARALLEL TIMELINES!!!

Watch the movie Deja vu for a better understanding of this.

Except that the statement under discussion in this thread refutes it. Placing them in "THE" space-time continuum, refutes the idea of there being multiple space-time continuums -- which is what alternate parallel timelines or parallel universes are.
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Well, we know that Des was in some different time line...or something...
He was in the past, but I don't think it was different timeline. If it was a different timeline, why would the jewelry shop woman have to intervene to ensure that it followed the same course as the original timeline we were following up to that point? And how would we know in any given scene or flashback which of the two timelines they're showing us? Dramatically, multiple timelines is a no-win scenario. And if Damon meant what he was saying, he was discounting the possibility by referring to the space-time continuum.

Which planet wasn't the question. He didn't specifically avoid saying anything. And 90% of all nerds use the phrase "space-time continuum" on a daily basis. It was not a clue, just a direct statement that they are not in purgatory, heaven, hell, or any other description of the spiritual world. If taken literally, it's furthermore a statement that they are not in any other kind of alternate dimension, alternate universe, or alternate timeline.
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Except that the statement under discussion in this thread refutes it. Placing them in "THE" space-time continuum, refutes the idea of there being multiple space-time continuums -- which is what alternate parallel timelines or parallel universes are.
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He was in the past, but I don't think it was different timeline. If it was a different timeline, why would the jewelry shop woman have to intervene to ensure that it followed the same course as the original timeline we were following up to that point? And how would we know in any given scene or flashback which of the two timelines they're showing us? Dramatically, multiple timelines is a no-win scenario. And if Damon meant what he was saying, he was discounting the possibility by referring to the space-time continuum.

Sorry, but the concept of SPACE-TIME 'CONTINNUM' involves ALL parallel universes and ALL possible timelines. Besides, its very rare to use that word in plural when dealing with quantum physics.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=168530&page=2

Whenever you travel back in time, according to modern science, you have to create another timeline in order to overcome any timetravel paradoxes you may create.
After the anomaly, the island's timeline got isolated and lost in time, it stopped being the same as the outside world's. In that Island timeline, Desmond failed in pushing the button, so he changed the original timeline. So the use of the failsafe key allowed him to go back in time and be warned (by Hawkins) that pushing the button WAS IMPORTANT, so he could course-correct the universe back to its original timeline when the time came. He did push the button in this new outside world timeline, Flight 815 crashed OFF the island killing ALL passengers. This is the timeline Naomi is from.
Why did she crash on the wrong timeline? I don't know. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the island became visible all of a sudden. And by the way, this was the same night that Locke was supposed to kill his father as part of the TEST ritual.

It depends really. One theory on this board is that somehow objects from one timeline can be brought into the current one. Or that a character (like Desmond) could jump between them. Or that the plane from one timeline somehow crossed into the current one and that's the plane (and passengers) that Naomi is talking about when she says they found the flight with no survivors.

This is my personal view on the subject:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77941
Makes sense.

Nice post Fierro, I like that idea a lot :biggrin:

Sorry, but the concept of SPACE-TIME 'CONTINNUM' involves ALL parallel universes and ALL possible timelines. Besides, its very rare to use that word in plural when dealing with quantum physics.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=168530&page=2

Whenever you travel back in time, according to modern science, you have to create another timeline in order to overcome any timetravel paradoxes you may create.
After the anomaly, the island's timeline got isolated and lost in time, it stopped being the same as the outside world's. In that Island timeline, Desmond failed in pushing the button, so he changed the original timeline. So the use of the failsafe key allowed him to go back in time and be warned (by Hawkins) that pushing the button WAS IMPORTANT, so he could course-correct the universe back to its original timeline when the time came. He did push the button in this new outside world timeline, Flight 815 crashed OFF the island killing ALL passengers. This is the timeline Naomi is from.
Why did she crash on the wrong timeline? I don't know. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the island became visible all of a sudden. And by the way, this was the same night that Locke was supposed to kill his father as part of the TEST ritual.

nice.

I have not heard anyone mention this one yet...and this is my first post so please bear with me.
The Black Rock is a "pirate ship" out somewhere in the middle of the island. How did it get there? If at some point in time the island came into contact with the ship's "reality"..lilke a phasing in and out sort of thing..it would have snatched it right out of the water placing it on the island in this space time continuum. With the hatch that controled the magnetic force now gone I think maybe the island is free to operate on its own again.
I have heard an Atlantis theory as well. Maybe, in order to save themselves, the Others(Atlantians) experimented on, not themselves, but time/space. We shall see.
Anyway, I love this show. I can't recall a TV show EVER motivating people to communicate ideas and theories the way this one has! It certainly has set the bar higher than the average fare. The best part is that the writers do not assume the audience is stupid! Well, Thanks..

Sorry, you guys are reading way too much into this. This isn't the first time they've used that phrase and they've already stated before that there is no intentional meaning or intention behind it.. It's just the way they talk.. Shouldn't be surprising to any of you considering they are sci-fi geeks at heart.

I'm with you on this one. They just want to screw with the people who are working the time travel theory. As soon as he said it, I knew people were going to start foaming at the mouth.:kiss:

Thank you guys! My Time Onion Theory expansion is almost done. Hope you like it. It's a much more detailed version of what I posted here.

Time travel stories have a tendency to trivialize the plot of the story itself. If you can travel through time then why don't you change things? If you cant' change things, then why have a story about time travel? If you can change things, then nothing that has already taken place is certain. It could all change.

Everything that Desmond is experiencing could be explained by the island itself giving him the visions. Walt could see the future to some extent, now Desmond can. Desmond seeing possible futures could come from the island itself and have nothing to do with time discrepancies.

I'm not fond of the unusual time issues that seem to be a part of the show and I'm hoping that's not the direction the show is headed. In fact, it wouldn't bother me if Desmond woke up to discover he no longer had his visions and they never touched on them again. But I'm sure there are a host of people that disagree. :)

Time travel stories have a tendency to trivialize the plot of the story itself. If you can travel through time then why don't you change things?

There are a Lot of possibilites in this line of story-telling if a person were to look hard enough. They Could go b ack and change things only to realize that what was originally slated to happen was the best possible thing for them, they could make changes but each one has unforseen consequences, or (and this is the one that was hinted at by the lady in the jewelry store) they could make changes and Fate constantly tries to change things back.

Any of those would be interesting to explore as long as it doesn't become All that "Lost" is about.

Sorry, but the concept of SPACE-TIME 'CONTINNUM' involves ALL parallel universes and ALL possible timelines. Besides, its very rare to use that word in plural when dealing with quantum physics.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=168530&page=2

Whenever you travel back in time, according to modern science, you have to create another timeline in order to overcome any timetravel paradoxes you may create.
After the anomaly, the island's timeline got isolated and lost in time, it stopped being the same as the outside world's. In that Island timeline, Desmond failed in pushing the button, so he changed the original timeline. So the use of the failsafe key allowed him to go back in time and be warned (by Hawkins) that pushing the button WAS IMPORTANT, so he could course-correct the universe back to its original timeline when the time came. He did push the button in this new outside world timeline, Flight 815 crashed OFF the island killing ALL passengers. This is the timeline Naomi is from.
Why did she crash on the wrong timeline? I don't know. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the island became visible all of a sudden. And by the way, this was the same night that Locke was supposed to kill his father as part of the TEST ritual.

Ding, Ding, Ding...we have a winner!

I like this idea a great deal...nice Physics site too...I think that my head would explode if I spent too much time there though!

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I have not heard anyone mention this one yet...and this is my first post so please bear with me.
The Black Rock is a "pirate ship" out somewhere in the middle of the island. How did it get there? If at some point in time the island came into contact with the ship's "reality"..lilke a phasing in and out sort of thing..it would have snatched it right out of the water placing it on the island in this space time continuum. With the hatch that controled the magnetic force now gone I think maybe the island is free to operate on its own again.
I have heard an Atlantis theory as well. Maybe, in order to save themselves, the Others(Atlantians) experimented on, not themselves, but time/space. We shall see.
Anyway, I love this show. I can't recall a TV show EVER motivating people to communicate ideas and theories the way this one has! It certainly has set the bar higher than the average fare. The best part is that the writers do not assume the audience is stupid! Well, Thanks..

Welcome wildcat...just one warning...you'll get hooked to this site so have some other hobbies as well;)

Again...welcome aboard!

the concept of SPACE-TIME 'CONTINNUM' involves ALL parallel universes and ALL possible timelines.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=168530&page=2

Whenever you travel back in time, according to modern science, you have to create another timeline in order to overcome any timetravel paradoxes you may create.
After the anomaly, the island's timeline got isolated and lost in time, it stopped being the same as the outside world's. In that Island timeline, Desmond failed in pushing the button, so he changed the original timeline. So the use of the failsafe key allowed him to go back in time and be warned (by Hawkins) that pushing the button WAS IMPORTANT, so he could course-correct the universe back to its original timeline when the time came. He did push the button in this new outside world timeline, Flight 815 crashed OFF the island killing ALL passengers. This is the timeline Naomi is from.
Why did she crash on the wrong timeline? I don't know. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the island became visible all of a sudden. And by the way, this was the same night that Locke was supposed to kill his father as part of the TEST ritual.

to further this direction of discussion,..

can we physically explain what happened to bring the parallel timelines together. but, if they didnt cross at a specific time, what or how is the means of travel to and fro?

can a huge explosion of a magnetic force "pull" two timelines together?

also, if we are going with the dual timelines, and the idea that the merge/bridge between them has to do with the magnetic energy, then how would that explain naomi. her copter crashed without the aid of a mag.pulse. so, is she from the same timeline as the island, or has she (and possibly others) only been in that timeline since the last pulse. (when the sky turned purple) ?

Here's my updated Time Onion theory. I hope you like it. I didn't have time to structure it in a better way. SORRY!
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1524874#post1524874


START READING FROM POST # 8!!!!

Thanks Lost Lenny. Looked at the bottom of your post...Desmond isn't the only one.... What's up with that one? And Yes!! Sawyer choking Cooper was The Bomb! I hate to admit that something like that was...well...kinda cool..but hey...great acting!! G'day. Wildcatmotherbear

Having never seen the jewelry shop woman before (can't remember her name now) he would have had to dream her...doubt that happened.Actually, I think maybe he had seen her before.

When they intentionally (and clumsily) added her picture to the monk's desk in "Catch-22," maybe they weren't trying to suggest she and the monk were part of a race of superbeings controlling Desmond's destiny; perhaps they were only providing a reason for why the superbeing character in his "dream" looked like her. He could easily have seen her around the monastery without actually meeting her.

Anyway, did they mention Desmond's "Flashes" flashback experience in The Answers? It occured to me that it was a pretty major event this season, and not mentioning it in their recap episode would be strange. Especially if it was not just a dream.

I think that Des' flashback was shown to the audience to let us know that something is going on here that is not exclusive to Desmond. It is my strong belief that we will soon see another castaway go thru a similar experience as des.Lindeloff said (in an Entertainment Weekly article (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20011203,00.html)) that in "Flashes," Desmond is "the subject of a flashback device employed 'in a way we never have before and never will again.'" Not sure what that means for your theory...
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He was in the past, but I don't think it was different timeline. If it was a different timeline, why would the jewelry shop woman have to intervene to ensure that it followed the same course as the original timeline we were following up to that point?If it was the same timeline, then everything would have happened exactly the way it happened the first time.

The fact there was now a mysterious superbeing in a London shop saying "we will all die" if Desmond doesn't turn the key means there is at least one other timeline where Desmond doesn't turn the key, and we all die.

Anyway, I think the "space/time continuum" comment was just a lighthearted way of being as vague as humanly possible about where the island is. It's notable only for not giving anything away.

ok,....

in a theoretical discussion, the concept of reality can be described as whatever we are currently experiencing. that confirmed reality is a result of a combination of focused thoughts.

a man is standing at a street corner. he has a multitude of options to choose from to determine what happens next. (a) he walks ahead and crosses the street in front of him, (b) he turns left and crosses the street there, (c) he turns right, and walks up the sidewalk, not crossing any street, (d) he turns around and walks towards the direction in which he came. if that man chooses (a), then what happens to the rest of the choices?

using the many-worlds interpretation, we can say that every option not chosen will still happen, but in a seperate reality.




The many-worlds interpretation or MWI (also known as relative state formulation, theory of the universal wavefunction, many-universes interpretation, Oxford interpretation or many worlds), is an interpretation of quantum mechanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_quantum_mechanics) that claims to resolve all the "paradoxes" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_paradox) of quantum theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_theory) by allowing every possible outcome to every event to define or exist in its own "history" or "world", via the mechanism of quantum decoherence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence), instead of wavefunction collapse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefunction_collapse). Proponents argue that MWI reconciles how we can perceive non-deterministic events (such as the random decay of a radioactive atom) with the deterministic equations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_differential_equations) of quantum physics; history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History), which prior to many worlds had been viewed as a single "world-line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-line)", is rather a many-branched tree where every possible branch of history is realized.
The relative state formulation is due to Hugh Everett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-everett57) who formulated it in 1957. Later, this formulation was popularised and renamed many worlds by Bryce Seligman DeWitt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Seligman_DeWitt) in the 1960s and '70s.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-dewitt67)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-dewitt71)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-dewitt72)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-dewitt73) The decoherence approach to interpreting quantum theory has been further explored and developed[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-zeh)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-zurek91)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation#_note-zurek03) becoming quite popular, taken as a class overall. MWI is one of many multiverse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28science%29) hypotheses in physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics) and philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy). It is currently considered a mainstream interpretation along with the other decoherence interpretations and the Copenhagen interpretation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation).



so, what i'm saying is this....

when the magnetic pulse that caused flt.815 to crash happened, it created a paradoxal moment in the time/space continuum. and in that moment, two realities were realized at the same time. (reality 1) the plane crashes on the island, blah blah blah. (reality 2) the plane does not crash at that moment and continues to travel to the place where the "other" crash happened.

so, (reality 1) is what played out on tv the last 3 years. (reality 2) is what also played out, but since it is a different reality (a.k.a. different option), and not the one the losties were in, then we were not aware of its happenings. until naomi shows up and shares her info of the (reality 2) flt.815 crash.

i believe that every option we do not choose at any given moment still go on to happen, but outside our percieved reality.

I know there are several theories that are floating around that this idea emcompasses but they were according to Julliette building a runway. Perhaps with intentions of landing 815 in another time........

Thanks Lost Lenny. Looked at the bottom of your post...Desmond isn't the only one.... What's up with that one? And Yes!! Sawyer choking Cooper was The Bomb! I hate to admit that something like that was...well...kinda cool..but hey...great acting!! G'day. Wildcatmotherbear

Desmond isn't the only one...meaning that he's not the only one that's going to get a re-do, or mulligan (so to speak)

I've never been more sure of this theory after having seen the Jack scene in Through the Looking Glass. I think that it is a safe bet that Jack will get a chance to change his future.

Funny though, I've thought that since seeing Desmond's flashes begin...that he's not the only one that has (or will have) this power..still think Locke is getting (or going to start getting) flashes too.

These last 3 years are going to be awesome.

P.S. I am not an evil man, but couldn't help but get fired-up when Sawyer finally gave Cooper what he had coming...that scene was great.
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Lindeloff said (in an Entertainment Weekly article (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20011203,00.html)) that in "Flashes," Desmond is "the subject of a flashback device employed 'in a way we never have before and never will again.'" Not sure what that means for your theory...


Well if he means what he says then it kills my theory.

After seeing “Through the Looking Glass” though...I have to believe that the end of the series is going to be pretty anti-climactic if it just ends that way...I mean, don't you think that Jack is going to get the same chance to go back and make it right that Desmond had?

Another thought…Locke seemed awfully sure that Jack wasn’t supposed to make the call…not quite Locke’s normal “communion” with the island…it was almost as if someone told him that Jack wasn’t supposed to make the call…Locke’s own little Mrs. Hawkings perhaps??? Jacob???

After seeing “Through the Looking Glass” though...I have to believe that the end of the series is going to be pretty anti-climactic if it just ends that way...I mean, don't you think that Jack is going to get the same chance to go back and make it right that Desmond had?But the one time Desmond got to "go back" he was told he couldn't change anything... And he got that chance only on account of the failsafe device.

But I agree they're not going to show us how the series ends, especially with three seasons left. Though I'll be really disappointed if the flashforward was just some "hypothetical" future that "may" happen under certain circumstances. That would strip the scenes of their resonance and immediately render any and all future flashforwards meaningless. What would be the point of investing any emotion in them, if the writers could just "undo" them at any time?

I'm guessing we'll see more of Future Jack trying to get back to the island, and at some point, Island Jack will become Future Jack.

But the one time Desmond got to "go back" he was told he couldn't change anything... And he got that chance only on account of the failsafe device.

he could (and did) change the past. just by making tha return to tha past changed it. but tha main alteration made when desmundo went back in time was the info about the future/island/button/magnetic-power that he gave to his physicist friend, who then shared that info w/penny who then has a lead on finding des when he goes missing 3 yrs. later.

also, and IMO, the failsafe was tha destruction of the swan. it was tha magnetic power that was released that caused a wormhole to tha past.

I'll be really disappointed if the flashforward was just some "hypothetical" future that "may" happen under certain circumstances. That would strip the scenes of their resonance and immediately render any and all future flashforwards meaningless. What would be the point of investing any emotion in them, if the writers could just "undo" them at any time? I'm guessing we'll see more of Future Jack trying to get back to the island, and at some point, Island Jack will become Future Jack.

i believe that TPTB would not lead us down a road of a specific reality if they didnt have a purpose it. and if all tha time-travel/parallel-universe theories are right, then there could be more than one future to experience



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Desmond isn't the only one...meaning that he's not the only one that's going to get a re-do, or mulligan (so to speak)

if tha magnetic power on tha island cannot be controlled, then i must disagree. because IMO, the magnetic power is the key to creating doorways to different times.

I've never been more sure of this theory after having seen the Jack scene in Through the Looking Glass. I think that it is a safe bet that Jack will get a chance to change his future.

if he changes his future, he creates a different future. but this doesnt mean the first future isnt true also

Funny though, I've thought that since seeing Desmond's flashes begin...that he's not the only one that has (or will have) this power..still think Locke is getting (or going to start getting) flashes too.

i dont consider desmundo's ability to see flashes of different moments in time to be a "power". i believe he experienced something that involved many different time/space continuums. also, if locke traveled in time, or experienced something like des did, then i think we would of been let in on that by now.

After seeing “Through the Looking Glass”, don't you think that Jack is going to get the same chance to go back and make it right that Desmond had?

i would enjoy this direction. in the time period of the flash/forward, jack would have to be in contact w/the parties that control and operate the time traveling. but as far as the story goes up to now,

*[ and by now i mean tha moment on tha island when jack connects w/the sailors. a.k.a. the moments before tha rescue]

there has been no indication that a future jack has replaced the island jack that we have known for 3 yrs. so, if jack does gain access to a time travel device , the he would to go back to a time on tha island AFTER the moment of contact w/tha sailors, or to the moment in time where he feels he made a "mistake"

Another thought…Locke seemed awfully sure that Jack wasn’t supposed to make the call…not quite Locke’s normal “communion” with the island…it was almost as if someone told him that Jack wasn’t supposed to make the call…Locke’s own little Mrs. Hawkings perhaps??? Jacob???

without knowing anything about the period between walt talking to locke and locke stabbing naomi, we cant be sure what happened.

for all we know walt stuck around for a bit, and gave locke a valid explanation of why he had to kill naomi and stop jack from contacting tha boat.

i think he just said that as a very general statement so that nothing could be revealed. They could be on earth which is in the space time continuim. Dont read to much into it

i think he just said that as a very general statement so that nothing could be revealed. They could be on earth which is in the space time continuim. Dont read to much into it

Yes but I think this is the point...why not say they are somewhere on earth...why even say space time continuum. I know they like to play games with us but I also know that there are no smoke monsters with a god complex anywhere I've been...at least I've never seen it. :biggrin:

YOUVE never been to the Island tho!!!!

After the anomaly, the island's timeline got isolated and lost in time, it stopped being the same as the outside world's. In that Island timeline, Desmond failed in pushing the button, so he changed the original timeline. So the use of the failsafe key allowed him to go back in time and be warned (by Hawkins) that pushing the button WAS IMPORTANT, so he could course-correct the universe back to its original timeline when the time came. He did push the button in this new outside world timeline, Flight 815 crashed OFF the island killing ALL passengers. This is the timeline Naomi is from.

Just trying to make sure I understand you right, but...if he did push the button (in this other timeline) why would 815 have crashed at all (killing ALL passengers) if the crash was caused by the magnetic anomoly (as TPTB have said) caused by not pressing the button in time?

This doesnt seem to make sense to me.