What I like about this type of clip show is that it gets me rethinking about details I may be overlooking with this dense dense show. I'm curious what others caught, and are rethinking now that we are able to look at certain events in retrospect.

For instance . . . I still have questions about the plane crash. Damon and Carlton have now answered us - (I'm sure you'll correct me if I get this wrong) - an electromagnetic pulse occured when the button wasn't pushed, causing the plane to crash. Why did Ben call the Swan 'a joke', when it clearly held such importance to the balance of the environment. I forget the context of his statement. It harkens back to the "did he or didn't he" with Ben and the button when Locke was trapped underneath the blast doors.

Other thoughts this morning . . . about The Others. Damon and Carlton believe there are 30-40 Others. I still think a lot about Ben's statement about him being "ONE of the people smart enough to get purged". I cannot wait to see who is actually renegade Dharma and not island native. I really hope that this is an important arc for Season 4.

Lastly - there is this long discussion about Charlie busking in London in both Greatest Hits and Flashes Before Your Eyes. The purpose of this scene in my mind now is similar to the device used in the Desmond/Penny photograph - so similar, but a different background. Will Season 4 be the season of time loops, etc.?

That's it. Rock on, and cheers!

I've posted on the plane crash and it being an accident, I just feel that it takes the fates of these survivors being brought to the island out of the question, and that Jack has been correct the whole time. I would like to know more as to why they all ended up on the same flight and why so many people crossed paths before they got to the island, but is that coincidence as well?

I'm thinking that Locke can't be dead.

I took from this epi that Ben did not cause the events in the shack...JACOB IS FOR REAL!

Thank God...I don't have to hear anyone talk about how ben caused this with smoke and mirrors.

If it wasn't clear enough when they SHOWED the audience Jacob...maybe it is now.

I also hope that the "there is no time shift/loop/whatever" chatter will be put to bed as well. WAY too many references to Lost Time, etc in past episodes (and now TPTB confirming this) for it to not be true.

I've posted on the plane crash and it being an accident, I just feel that it takes the fates of these survivors being brought to the island out of the question, and that Jack has been correct the whole time. I would like to know more as to why they all ended up on the same flight and why so many people crossed paths before they got to the island, but is that coincidence as well?


I'm pretty sure the producers have said that all the crosses before the crash do not have some huge connection that will be revealed at the end. They just think it is a cool way to show flashbacks and to show that this stuff happens in our daily lives, we just don't realize it.

I'm thinking that Locke can't be dead.

They did not say he died. I listened very carefully. He got "shot". I think Locke is too key for the story and especially now that he knows Jacob.

I am rethinking Locke's character after the producers came right out and said he is trying to prevent anyone from leaving the island. I had been withholding judgement, thinking he had some master plan which would be in everyone's best interest. If what they say is true, however, John Locke is now mainly interested in only helping John Locke.

This is a bit of a drag since he has always been my favorite character.

I am rethinking Locke's character after the producers came right out and said he is trying to prevent anyone from leaving the island. I had been withholding judgement, thinking he had some master plan which would be in everyone's best interest.Maybe everyone's best interest and staying on the island are one and the same.

I particularly noticed that when they segued from talking about Smokey to talking about the apparitions on the island, they specifically did not say that Smokey creates the apparations. They said the monster sounds mechanical, looks like smoke, can apparently read and judge people, etc. etc. But when they went into talking about the apparitions, they said the island can somehow cause apparitions.

Granted, it's a subtle thing. But I think it's another indication that Smokey is not what we're seeing when we see the apparitions.

I remember them saying something about Desmond turning the key..sacrificing himself to save the world.. or something like that. So if Desmond didn't turn the key, the world would have been destroyed?

Other thoughts this morning . . . about The Others. Damon and Carlton believe there are 30-40 Others. I still think a lot about Ben's statement about him being "ONE of the people smart enough to get purged". I cannot wait to see who is actually renegade Dharma and not island native. I really hope that this is an important arc for Season 4.




This surprised me. I always thought there were more Others than that. I figured more like 100. 30-40 is not many, especially considering how many have been killed since our Losties have arrived.

I'm pretty sure the producers have said that all the crosses before the crash do not have some huge connection that will be revealed at the end. They just think it is a cool way to show flashbacks and to show that this stuff happens in our daily lives, we just don't realize it.

This happens so much more often than you would think it does. You just have to have enough time to talk to people and sometimes you learn some very interesting connections.

I was in Austria with a friend in 1995, and as we were climbing back down a very steep hill, we happened upon an elderly American couple sitting and resting. We stopped to take some pictures and they offerred to take one of us. Since they looked a little lonely, we stayed and chatted with them for a bit. They said that they were headed to visit Normandy (France) where his unit had stormed the beach during WWII.

I mentioned that my grandfather was at Normandy as well. After a bit more chatting, we suddenly discovered that my grandfather and this man were in the same unit! :shock1: He knew my granddad and all our family stories. He told us of talks they had and prayers they said together before the invasion. :blush: It was the most amazing experience of my life. And I would have never known about any of it if we had just thanked them for taking our picture and kept going.

As you get older and have more experiences, these types of random connections become more and more common (although I do admit, that one was really really random and wild!) Just think, if Jack and Claire would actually talk to each other they'd probably eventually learn that they are half-siblings. :rolleyes:

I remember them saying something about Desmond turning the key..sacrificing himself to save the world.. or something like that. So if Desmond didn't turn the key, the world would have been destroyed?

The better question is, "If Desmond willingly sacrificed himself, then who is that good-looking guy traipsing about the island, speaking of seeing "Flashes"??? :39:

This happens so much more often than you would think it does. You just have to have enough time to talk to people and sometimes you learn some very interesting connections.

I was in Austria with a friend in 1995, and as we were climbing back down a very steep hill, we happened upon an elderly American couple sitting and resting. We stopped to take some pictures and they offerred to take one of us. Since they looked a little lonely, we stayed and chatted with them for a bit. They said that they were headed to visit Normandy (France) where his unit had stormed the beach during WWII.

I mentioned that my grandfather was at Normandy as well. After a bit more chatting, we suddenly discovered that my grandfather and this man were in the same unit! :shock1: He knew my granddad and all our family stories. He told us of talks they had and prayers they said together before the invasion. :blush: It was the most amazing experience of my life. And I would have never known about any of it if we had just thanked them for taking our picture and kept going.

As you get older and have more experiences, these types of random connections become more and more common (although I do admit, that one was really really random and wild!) Just think, if Jack and Claire would actually talk to each other they'd probably eventually learn that they are half-siblings. :rolleyes:



The better question is, "If Desmond willingly sacrificed himself, then who is that good-looking guy traipsing about the island, speaking of seeing "Flashes"??? :39:

Not that it has anything to do with the show, or maybe it does, but the book The Celestine Prophecy while a bit shoddy in the plot and/or character development department, there is an awesome discussion about the reason why we meet random people at certain times. Kind of like fate explained.

It's interesting enough, and it's easy to get through in an afternoon. I recommend it to everyone.

Not that it has anything to do with the show, or maybe it does, but the book The Celestine Prophecy while a bit shoddy in the plot and/or character development department, there is an awesome discussion about the reason why we meet random people at certain times. Kind of like fate explained.

It's interesting enough, and it's easy to get through in an afternoon. I recommend it to everyone.


Thanks for the recommendation!

I think I'll investigate that and read up on it .... :coolorng:

This happens so much more often than you would think it does. You just have to have enough time to talk to people and sometimes you learn some very interesting connections.

I was in Austria with a friend in 1995, and as we were climbing back down a very steep hill, we happened upon an elderly American couple sitting and resting. We stopped to take some pictures and they offerred to take one of us. Since they looked a little lonely, we stayed and chatted with them for a bit. They said that they were headed to visit Normandy (France) where his unit had stormed the beach during WWII.

I mentioned that my grandfather was at Normandy as well. After a bit more chatting, we suddenly discovered that my grandfather and this man were in the same unit! :shock1: He knew my granddad and all our family stories. He told us of talks they had and prayers they said together before the invasion. :blush: It was the most amazing experience of my life. And I would have never known about any of it if we had just thanked them for taking our picture and kept going.

As you get older and have more experiences, these types of random connections become more and more common (although I do admit, that one was really really random and wild!) Just think, if Jack and Claire would actually talk to each other they'd probably eventually learn that they are half-siblings. :rolleyes:



The better question is, "If Desmond willingly sacrificed himself, then who is that good-looking guy traipsing about the island, speaking of seeing "Flashes"??? :39:

Excellent story.

May God bless all of the brave men that hit that beach on that day! We will never know what was going thru those 18-22 year old MEN when that gate dropped and they had to run straight into gunfire.

It would be cool if the connections were only there as a study in 6 degrees of separation (or some thing like that)

I particularly noticed that when they segued from talking about Smokey to talking about the apparitions on the island, they specifically did not say that Smokey creates the apparations. They said the monster sounds mechanical, looks like smoke, can apparently read and judge people, etc. etc. But when they went into talking about the apparitions, they said the island can somehow cause apparitions.

Granted, it's a subtle thing. But I think it's another indication that Smokey is not what we're seeing when we see the apparitions.

I think this is a good and very subtle point. They did make it sound like two separate phenomena.

Thinking, rethinking? The numbers. They mention Hurley's lottery win but didnt bother to say it was with the numbers on the hatch and in Danielle's distress call. Are the producer's downplaying their significance?

Still gnawed with whether Nathan was on the plane or not, how Cindy ended up in the tail and the descepancies with how long the plane was in the air. I guess I'll have to wait for an extended two (or three) hour Answers program. :frown:

What do you mean how Cindy ended up in the tail...she was a flight attendant. Did we see her head to the front during the turbulence or something???

What do you mean how Cindy ended up in the tail...she was a flight attendant. Did we see her head to the front during the turbulence or something???

She was outside the front restroom Charlie was using just before the Oceanic 815 would go down. How she got back to the tail so quickly was a board contoversy after she was revealed to be a tail survivor.

I agree- if Locke is only wanting to help himself, then his likeability will lessen for me. I think Locke is a fascinating character, and I hope that he will, at sometime, remember that it is important to help other people, not just himself. Perhaps he will have that revelation near the end of the series...


I am rethinking Locke's character after the producers came right out and said he is trying to prevent anyone from leaving the island. I had been withholding judgement, thinking he had some master plan which would be in everyone's best interest. If what they say is true, however, John Locke is now mainly interested in only helping John Locke.

This is a bit of a drag since he has always been my favorite character.

I noticed that Tom knew that it took the bears only 2 hours to figure out how to get a fish biscuit. Seems like he would have to have been Dharma to know that.

I noticed that Tom knew that it took the bears only 2 hours to figure out how to get a fish biscuit. Seems like he would have to have been Dharma to know that.

That's a very good point. Its not unimpeachable (he could have heard this through Ben) but put together with other evidence a case sould be built that Tom is former DHARMA. Ben did make it sound like he was not the only member of the DHARMA Initiative to cast their lot with the Hostiles, so it's a pretty safe bet their were others.

Tom
Zookeeper

Just imagining what it might say on Tom's DHARMA uniform.

I sure would like to see a Tom flashback. He's right up there behind Rousseau and Richard for my Most Anticipated Flashbacks list. Just hope I can get two of the three. :)

'Course, it's also possible that Tom had nothing do to with the testing of the bears, and just said that to yank Sawyer's chain...

Not that it has anything to do with the show, or maybe it does, but the book The Celestine Prophecy while a bit shoddy in the plot and/or character development department, there is an awesome discussion about the reason why we meet random people at certain times. Kind of like fate explained.

It's interesting enough, and it's easy to get through in an afternoon. I recommend it to everyone.

Guess what else this guy wrote - "The Secret of Shambhala: In Search of the Eleventh Insight" - talk about the interconnectedness of all things.

Here's a snippet from the description on amazon: "Shambhala is indeed a paradise, just as it was lovingly portrayed in the famous James Hilton novel Lost Horizon. It is also a spiritual utopia, and Redfield takes great pleasure in pondering the possibilities of living in a culture that is entirely "focused on the life process." Residents explain their lifestyle, which has emerged from a completely spiritual culture, including some rather sensible opinions about technology, parenting, and even genetic testing."

Whoa.

She was outside the front restroom Charlie was using just before the Oceanic 815 would go down. How she got back to the tail so quickly was a board contoversy after she was revealed to be a tail survivor.

Ah ok, I totally missed that thanks.

I noticed that Tom knew that it took the bears only 2 hours to figure out how to get a fish biscuit. Seems like he would have to have been Dharma to know that.

I noticed that too and wondered. I would love to see a Tom flashback. I like Tom. :biggrin:

really wierd about that other book, i feel like there are sooooo many connections with literature, religion, and history that it makes me crazy! I love it, but it makes me crazy!

Guess what else this guy wrote - "The Secret of Shambhala: In Search of the Eleventh Insight" - talk about the interconnectedness of all things.

Here's a snippet from the description on amazon: "Shambhala is indeed a paradise, just as it was lovingly portrayed in the famous James Hilton novel Lost Horizon. It is also a spiritual utopia, and Redfield takes great pleasure in pondering the possibilities of living in a culture that is entirely "focused on the life process." Residents explain their lifestyle, which has emerged from a completely spiritual culture, including some rather sensible opinions about technology, parenting, and even genetic testing."

Whoa.

Super find...love the song, guess I'll have to check out that book.

After watching the clip show I now believe that Rousseau is one of the last surviving members of the Dharma Initiative, and her distress call "they're all dead" was a reference to the purge we saw in Ben's flashback.

I've posted on the plane crash and it being an accident, I just feel that it takes the fates of these survivors being brought to the island out of the question, and that Jack has been correct the whole time. I would like to know more as to why they all ended up on the same flight and why so many people crossed paths before they got to the island, but is that coincidence as well?

Even if it was technically an accident that wouldn't deny the possibility of fate bringing the Losties onto the island. The fact that they survived the crash was a miracle. I mean Jack woke up in a bamboo forest a hundred yards away from everyone else so the fact he is alive and everyone else doesn't mean that they aren't drawn to the Island by the Island.

I keep wondering about the possibe connection between Adam and Eve and the hostiles.

After watching the clip show I now believe that Rousseau is one of the last surviving members of the Dharma Initiative, and her distress call "they're all dead" was a reference to the purge we saw in Ben's flashback.

Since Rousseau is Alex's mother and Ben is Alex's father, does this mean that Ben and Rousseau were once a couple? And would that be after Robert, the lover she said she shot? Or is one of them not Alex's parent? Hey, if we find Rousseau likes to carve things, maybe she's Annie.

Since Rousseau is Alex's mother and Ben is Alex's father, does this mean that Ben and Rousseau were once a couple? And would that be after Robert, the lover she said she shot? Or is one of them not Alex's parent? Hey, if we find Rousseau likes to carve things, maybe she's Annie.



Maybe Robert was her boyfriend/lover in her late teen years and Ben still loved her from childhood (assuming she was Annie), and Ben convinced her Robert was sick with a disease and needed to be purged - and got her to help kill Robert....... but the French accent would have to come from some where...

nah, this is getting too far off.....

but I have thought that Rousseau was on the Black Rock and that the Black Rock was a "research vessel" - maybe for a Queen or something .... and it crashed there.... She is the first person to introduce us to the Black Rock....

Since Rousseau is Alex's mother and Ben is Alex's father, does this mean that Ben and Rousseau were once a couple? And would that be after Robert, the lover she said she shot? Or is one of them not Alex's parent? Hey, if we find Rousseau likes to carve things, maybe she's Annie.

Ben could be lying about being her father. Alex even asked her boyfriend that last week, "Is he my real father?" I don't find it hard to believe that because of all the stuff about women dying during their pregnancies that perhaps Annie died in pregnancy and when the DI kidnapped Alex as a baby Ben took her as his daughter. It would be a helpful tool to date the purge too. You don't see Alex anywhere near the purge, how would a baby escape the posion gas? And since the character is supposed to be 16, even though the actress obviously isn't the purge would most likely have happened at least 16 years prior to our Losties' story.

I'm not sure where exactly to put this question but...this reminded me of something. So did Rousseau have her baby on the black rock? or on the island? or did she say she was pregnant before she got there? Otherwise i don't understand how she had alex?

She was approximately seven months pregnant when they reached the island IIRC.

There is a scene where Locke is trying to convince Jack that it is his destiny to be on the Island....he just doesn't know it yet.
(Can't remember the episode it's from)

I commented on this in the "watching live thread" last week and I've been wondering why TPTB inserted this particular scene in The Answers ever since....

I have a sneaky suspicion that the scene was put in the show to foreshadow that Jack may re-consider the path he thinks he wants, (i.e., "science/technology") and takes a leap of faith.
In what way? I'm not sure, but I sense some eventual meeting of the minds between Jack & Locke.
(I'm assuming that Locke survives Ben's murder attempt...I just can't see that his character arc is done.)

I am rethinking how Ben introduced Alex as his daughter to the Others. The Others had to know that Alex belonged to Danielle and that Alex was "stolen."

So does this mean that the Others know that Ben lied about Alex being his daughter?

Just throwing out ideas ... waiting for tonight's episode.

I am rethinking how Ben introduced Alex as his daughter to the Others. The Others had to know that Alex belonged to Danielle and that Alex was "stolen."

So does this mean that the Others know that Ben lied about Alex being his daughter?

Just throwing out ideas ... waiting for tonight's episode.

I'm sure that they did know that she was kidnapped. Alex didn't get the idea that Ben wasn't her real father from no where. Maybe Danielle met her secretly and we don't know about it yet. It'd be cool to see some of Danielle's flashbacks during the finale or maybe Alex's. I wonder who's flashbacks will be airing during the finale.

I think that Alex has long suspected that Ben isn't her real father. I have to assume that Richard and Tom know this along with others that were there from the beginning. I don't think she knows anything about Danielle yet. I can't wait to see that though....

I'm pretty sure the producers have said that all the crosses before the crash do not have some huge connection that will be revealed at the end. They just think it is a cool way to show flashbacks and to show that this stuff happens in our daily lives, we just don't realize it.

I am glad that they said that, but I still hope that they continue to show how they're all intertwined.

I particularly noticed that when they segued from talking about Smokey to talking about the apparitions on the island, they specifically did not say that Smokey creates the apparations. They said the monster sounds mechanical, looks like smoke, can apparently read and judge people, etc. etc. But when they went into talking about the apparitions, they said the island can somehow cause apparitions.

Granted, it's a subtle thing. But I think it's another indication that Smokey is not what we're seeing when we see the apparitions.

I think this is a very important point. Good catch.

I remember them saying something about Desmond turning the key..sacrificing himself to save the world.. or something like that. So if Desmond didn't turn the key, the world would have been destroyed?

I was struck by when they said that he had redeemed himself. You know what that means, don't you? Bye bye Des.

This surprised me. I always thought there were more Others than that. I figured more like 100. 30-40 is not many, especially considering how many have been killed since our Losties have arrived.

I agree, I was suprised to hear them say there were only 30-40 Others.

Thinking, rethinking? The numbers. They mention Hurley's lottery win but didnt bother to say it was with the numbers on the hatch and in Danielle's distress call. Are the producer's downplaying their significance?

I was notable that the numbers were not mentioned at all. We may see them appear from time to time, but it's kinda sad to think that there is no big mystery behind them.

That's a very good point. Its not unimpeachable (he could have heard this through Ben) but put together with other evidence a case sould be built that Tom is former DHARMA. Ben did make it sound like he was not the only member of the DHARMA Initiative to cast their lot with the Hostiles, so it's a pretty safe bet their were others.

True and I wondered who else might be former Dharma too.

After watching the clip show I now believe that Rousseau is one of the last surviving members of the Dharma Initiative, and her distress call "they're all dead" was a reference to the purge we saw in Ben's flashback.

This is such a cool thought. Great theory, I like it.

I think that there were quite a few things that were answered during this show, some obvious and some that have still been up for debate round here. First, that the Others don't want anyone from the outside world to find them and that anyone new on the island theatens their privacy. I've always wondered what these people's problem is. They also confirmed Juliette was not lying when she told Sun that she got pregnant on the island. They came right out and said that the Others can and do leave the island (well before the sub was blown up anyway). They also seemed to indicate, not really say outright, that Juliette told Jack the truth when she revealed Ben's plan to Jack. Is that because so many of us are still questioning whether or not to believe her now?

There is a scene where Locke is trying to convince Jack that it is his destiny to be on the Island....he just doesn't know it yet.
(Can't remember the episode it's from)

I commented on this in the "watching live thread" last week and I've been wondering why TPTB inserted this particular scene in The Answers ever since....

I have a sneaky suspicion that the scene was put in the show to foreshadow that Jack may re-consider the path he thinks he wants, (i.e., "science/technology") and takes a leap of faith.
In what way? I'm not sure, but I sense some eventual meeting of the minds between Jack & Locke.
(I'm assuming that Locke survives Ben's murder attempt...I just can't see that his character arc is done.)


I think the very fact that Jack is flying around looking for a way back to the island suggests that in the flash forward, he's no longer a man of science - he's become a man of faith. I wonder if he will have to truly lose everything to find his faith, or whether he can find it in time to not become druggie, pathetic Jack.

I have thought that Rousseau was on the Black Rock and that the Black Rock was a "research vessel" - maybe for a Queen or something .... and it crashed there.... She is the first person to introduce us to the Black Rock....

I love this idea. There was something about that line that bugged me - research "vessel" is odd I think. Off topic, but I've been bugged about those empty leg-irons on that thing since we saw them. Where'd the slaves go?