Here is what I took from the episode...

Jacob is for real...Ben was mad because Locke did hear him. (let's end the "Ben caused this" talk!)
I think that we were told that the Losties are ALIVE "within the time/space continuum" if this doesn't put to rest the "there is no time travel/time shift" arguements, nothing will. Mittelos=Lost Time, Only fools are enslaved by time and space", and now this. For those that don't believe that there is a time discep...do you need more proof?
Des crashed the plane...end of this story.
It appears that we will see the Losties future's before the end of the series. (based on TPTB statements) That's good...Here are the others mentioned in this thread. I'll keep adding to the list as you guys mention more...

Locke is trying to keep everyone from leaving...It was confirmed that he's blowing up everything that can get them off of the island
Smokey does do some type of brain read or "picture" to read your past memory.
"The swan is the MOST IMPORTANT of all the dharma stations."
We know Sun really did get pregnant on the island, Juliette did not lie about that.
They also restated that Kate did not make a definitive choice; it was who was she going to sleep with first. And no, Jack hasn't given up on Kate.
They also mentioned that the reason Jack and Juliet were gone was to indeed go find Rousseau to seek her assistance.
Here are some new quotes that I picked up after watching again...

Carlton mentions that the show will also answer (along w/our Losties past and present) "...but more importantly, what they will become" he also says that "the changes for these characters is really what the end game is all about" Begs the question...who will they become? Adam and Eve...Jacob...??????
Carlton- The "crash was the greatest thing that ever happened to Locke...the LAST thing he wants is to leave"
The crash was not welcome news to the others
"Juliet decides to throw her lot in with Jack and get off of the island" looks like Juliet IS a good guy now.
Damon-"magic box was a metaphor...the whole island is a magic box"
"Neither Locke or Sawyer would be on the island if not for Cooper"
Any other statements that put rumors to rest? Feel free to place them here.

Maybe instead of flashbacks, flash forwards. Probably not, but maybe.

I got from it that Smokey takes a "flash" of a person (I hadn't noticed the flash thing before), seeing into them and then manifests things from their pasts. To what purpose, who knows. I got that Ben, et. al. didn't know who was on board until after the plane crashed. (Still don't know where he got such detailed reports about them though.) Both these things tell me that neither of them (Ben or Smokey) knew of the Losties until the crash.

Des crashed the plane...end of this story.
Did they go so far as to say the plane wouldn't even have been around to crash were it not for Desmond?

Did they go so far as to say the plane wouldn't even have been around to crash were it not for Desmond?
No, they didn't. And actually I think the plane was meant to crash because I believe what Locke said, that this is all happening for a purpose. Like with Desmond and Charlie.. Charlie is going to die, the only question is how it happens.

I think it's entirely possible that the losties were meant to be on the island regardless of how they got there. Remember what Ben said too, "I wished for a doctor and one fell out of the sky".

No, they didn't. And actually I think the plane was meant to crash because I believe what Locke said, that this is all happening for a purpose. Like with Desmond and Charlie.. Charlie is going to die, the only question is how it happens.

I think it's entirely possible that the losties were meant to be on the island regardless of how they got there. Remember what Ben said too, "I wished for a doctor and one fell out of the sky".


Nope, The producers said that we know the definitive answer for why the plane crashed. It was because of Desmond not pushing the button. They even talked about how the magnetic anomoly could cause other things to crash but they said it had to be something extra to bring down a jumbojet. The something extra was desmond not pushing the button.
100%
Here is what I took from the episode...


Jacob is for real...Ben was mad because Locke did hear him. (let's end the "Ben caused this" talk!)
I think that we were told that the Losties are ALIVE "within the time/space continuum" if this doesn't put to rest the "there is no time travel/time shift" arguements, nothing will. Mittelos=Lost Time, Only fools are enslaved by time and space", and now this. For those that don't believe that there is a time discep...do you need more proof?
Des crashed the plane...end of this story.
It appears that we will see the Losties future's before the end of the series. (based on TPTB statements) That's good...Any other statements that put rumors to rest? Feel free to place them here.


I also noticed that they said "The swan is the MOST IMPORTANT of all the dharma stations." I don't think we knew that it was definitively the most important.

In the pilot episode, on the DVD there is a scene where Walt walks past the crashed fuselage and there in plain sight is a large Dharma logo on the plane. Did anyone else see that?

I also noticed that they said "The swan is the MOST IMPORTANT of all the dharma stations." I don't think we knew that it was definitively the most important.

That's cool to know. My new pet theory about what's happening on the Island hinges almost entirely on the first Swan Incidient.

Sounds like it was a great program. Too bad I missed it.

We know Sun really did get pregnant on the island, Juliette did not lie about that.

It could be that Locke was right and fate caused Desmond to cause the plane to crash

Didn't see this recap, but I've read a lot of people's reactions to this episode, and the thing that sticks out the most is the contention that "Desmond crashed the plane by not pressing the button" = "The plane crash was an accident." I've seen some quotes from the writers that confirm the former, but nothing about the latter. I don't think the second statement can be inferred from the first, either, considering that behind-the-scenes manipulation of events is the bread-and-butter of the show.

Can anyone add some detail on how this "answer" was actually presented?

In the pilot episode, on the DVD there is a scene where Walt walks past the crashed fuselage and there in plain sight is a large Dharma logo on the plane. Did anyone else see that?
Do you have a freeze frame of this?

They also restated that Kate did not make a definitive choice; it was who was she going to sleep with first. And no, Jack hasn't given up on Kate. More fuel to the shippers' fire. They also mentioned that the reason Jack and Juliet were gone was to indeed go find Rousseau to seek her assistance.

Do you have a freeze frame of this?

I'm pretty sure the Dharma Logo on the side of the plane was debunked. I'll look and see what I can find.

I think that we were told that the Losties are ALIVE "within the time/space continuum" if this doesn't put to rest the "there is no time travel/time shift" arguements, nothing will. Mittelos=Lost Time, Only fools are enslaved by time and space", and now this. For those that don't believe that there is a time discep...do you need more proof?
Yes, I need more proof. How many theories arise that look very plausible and then something happens to debunk it? There's still so much more LOST to go I don't see how anyone can claim something is the definitive answer until the show is over.

Thank you!

In the pilot episode, on the DVD there is a scene where Walt walks past the crashed fuselage and there in plain sight is a large Dharma logo on the plane. Did anyone else see that?


Here is a picture of what you are reffering to:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Dharma_aircraft.jpg

Here is the Lostpedia page that explains when this was debunked:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Persistent_rumors

Just scroll down until you see "Dharma Logo on Plane"

Yes, I need more proof. How many theories arise that look very plausible and then something happens to debunk it? There's still so much more LOST to go I don't see how anyone can claim something is the definitive answer until the show is over.

Oh I don't believe it is the only thing going on, Carleton and Damon have said that there's no one answer to everything happening. I agree with the OP that there's too many references to time issues to ignore and this recap confirmed it for me.

I think the producers have drawn from many many sources like myths, scientific theories, new age spirituality, quantum physics etc and rolled them all into one show. Brilliant!

Yes, I need more proof. How many theories arise that look very plausible and then something happens to debunk it? There's still so much more LOST to go I don't see how anyone can claim something is the definitive answer until the show is over.


I would think that being the executive producers would give you the credibilty to claim something is the definitive answer.

Didn't see this recap, but I've read a lot of people's reactions to this episode, and the thing that sticks out the most is the contention that "Desmond crashed the plane by not pressing the button" = "The plane crash was an accident." I've seen some quotes from the writers that confirm the former, but nothing about the latter. I don't think the second statement can be inferred from the first, either, considering that behind-the-scenes manipulation of events is the bread-and-butter of the show.

Can anyone add some detail on how this "answer" was actually presented?

They said that the EMP fried the instrumentation on the plane and that was cause of the crash. They didn't say it was an accident or that it wasn't an acident. I still like the idea that the plane was going to land on the island (whether intentional or not) and not pushing the button caused it to crash instead of land.

[LIST]
Des crashed the plane...end of this story.

Although certain people will still not admit this is the case.......you know who you are.

I still like the idea that the plane was going to land on the island (whether intentional or not) and not pushing the button caused it to crash instead of land.

Is there anything that suggests it was going to land? The "Others" seemed surprised that the plane was there. Why would it have been trying to land? And is there an airstrip large enough for a plane of that size to land on the island?

I got from it that Smokey takes a "flash" of a person (I hadn't noticed the flash thing before), seeing into them and then manifests things from their pasts. To what purpose, who knows. I got that Ben, et. al. didn't know who was on board until after the plane crashed. (Still don't know where he got such detailed reports about them though.) Both these things tell me that neither of them (Ben or Smokey) knew of the Losties until the crash.

Excellent pull...forgot about this one. TPTB cofirmed that Smokey can (for lack of a better term) take pictures and read into the person's past. That was suggested when smokey showed Eko flashes of his past in a previous epi but pretty much confirmed last night...thanks dtisme!

Didn't see this recap, but I've read a lot of people's reactions to this episode, and the thing that sticks out the most is the contention that "Desmond crashed the plane by not pressing the button" = "The plane crash was an accident." I've seen some quotes from the writers that confirm the former, but nothing about the latter. I don't think the second statement can be inferred from the first, either, considering that behind-the-scenes manipulation of events is the bread-and-butter of the show.

Can anyone add some detail on how this "answer" was actually presented?

You are correct, the only thing confirmed was that Des not pushing the button "caused the plane to crash". Nothing about it being an accident...but the Others sure seemed surprised to see it...so I don't think they expected the plane.

This show was about giving its viewers answers, not waffling about the answers as they often do on the podcasts. Here are some quotes for those who missed the epi.

The announcer: "A group of strangers fighting for survival and seeking redemption. We've been presented with baffling mysteries and extraordinary revelations but this story is just hitting stride. So what better time to remember all that we've learned." Then he says that Lindelof and Cuse are here to "shed some light and provide the final word."

The plane crash: "Desmond failed to enter the code into the computer in the hatch, as a result 815 crashes. That is the definitive answer as to why the plane crashed. The electromagnetic pulse shot out of the hatch, fried the instrumentation on the plane, the plane crashed."

"With the turn of a key, Desmond destroyed the hatch, releasing the magnetic pressure and preventing global catastrophe." "The elctromagnetic pulse suddenly makes the island visible." (this was in conjunction with a scene showing the guys who called Penny)

"The crash was not welcome news to a community of people already living on the island. The Others do not want anyone from the outside world to find them nor are they particularly happy when new people arrive on the island and threaten their privacy."

Desmond: Solo race around the world and crashed on the island. He's having "precognitive visions of what is going to happen in the future."

Dharma: the most important hatch they built was the swan (I don't have the exact quote). They didn't say a whole lot more that we didn't already know - they've been on the island since the late 70s, early 80s, built all the hatches, were doing various experiments, etc. Announcer: "many have wondered what became of the DI. We learned the answer when Ben led a mass extermination and emerged the leader of the Others." We're told Ben would be very happy to be the leader and "grow them into a prosperous society." Locke's "specialness" is "really threatening to Ben."

Danielle: "Danielle was on some sort of research vessel, it crashed, her crew died and she's been sort of wandering around this island."

Locke: landing on the island is the "greatest thing to happen to him. The last thing he ever wants to do is go back to the outside world."

Jack: the files Ben ordered revealed a spinal surgeon on board, Ben needed surgery so that's why Jack is captured. Jack sees Sawyer and Kate in the cage: "Instead of getting angry, he decides to rescue them. He wants to protect them both." He tells her to never come back for him: "He says it out of love, not out of heartbreak or jealousy." Being a woman, Juliet interpreted this differently(paraphrased).

Jack and Kate: Cuse - "But I don't think that Jack has given up on Kate." Lindelof - "No, I don't think so either."

Box scene: "That was a metaphor. The whole island is a box."

Naomi: "She's with a group of people, they're on a freighter 80 miles off the coast and their job is to rescue Desmond."

Purgatory theory: " And you and I have said publicly they're not in Purgatory. They're not ghosts, they're actually alive and breathing on the island, somewhere in the space-time continuum."

Juliet: "Decides to throw her lot in with Jack and try to get off the island."

Jack and Locke: "Jack's goal is simply to get these people off the island." The conflict between Jack and Locke is "principally" based on this issue. "It started back in S1 with Locke's desire to keep everyone on the island. Slowly but surely he's methodically picking off every possibility of rescue" (they show sub blowing up).

The polar bears: the "escaped" from their cages."

Ben: "Ben is the leader of the Others. He's very smart, he's very creepy and he's very dangerous." Cooper's presence gave Ben a chance to "challenge Locke, a challenge he knew would end in disgrace. Locke's return made clear to Ben that he was indeed a threat." When Locke hears Jacob that's enough for Ben to realize Locke is a "massive threat to his primacy as the leader of the Others."

Characters in general: "Our characters really seem to be able to rise to the occasion and are incredibly heroic, and exhibit qualities that really transcend the people they once were." "In some ways I think the show is about how we are all intertwined in our lives. The linkage between the characters is an important part of their journey and connected metaphorically the kind of journeys we all have in our lives."

Charlie: the show winds up with Charlie and his decision to accept his "fateful mission." "Instead of being fearful of this, Charlie heroically embraces this fate and he goes So Be It." The Losties are shown trekking up the mountain, the same scenes we saw on Wed.'s epi.

Final words: "True heroes are sort of born out of moments and the reality is most of our characters are heroes. When the proverbial Others are coming do you man up and take action. These guys always act the most nobly when they act in the sprit of the community. They protect each other."

"Ultimately, it's about these people, it always has been." "This island has given them an opportunity to completely reinvent themselves, and that change for these characters is really what the end game of the show will be all about."

Sorry this was so long but I hope this helps those who didn't get to see the show!:kiss:

I also noticed that they said "The swan is the MOST IMPORTANT of all the dharma stations." I don't think we knew that it was definitively the most important.

Yeah, that was huge! So we found out that not pushing the button really would cause worldwide cataclysm, and that the Swan wasn't just a big Skinner box, it was really the crucial thing.

I'm pretty sure the Dharma Logo on the side of the plane was debunked. I'll look and see what I can find.

Yes, it was. Funny how these things keep coming back, though. I recall seeing a picture of what that supposed DHARMA logo was when it was intact on an L-1011 -- just the contour of a door frame or something. There's a thread somewhere here about it, an old thread. Probably be tough to find it, but some searching might do it.

Is there anything that suggests it was going to land? The "Others" seemed surprised that the plane was there. Why would it have been trying to land? And is there an airstrip large enough for a plane of that size to land on the island?

No way there would be an airstrip long enough to land a 777 on the island. There's been a lot of really contrived (IMHO) hypotheses about an airstrip that surfaces from underwater, stuff like that, that the plane was going to land on. I'm satisfied from what Damon and Carlton said that the plane was flying over and crashed. No intended landing.

Sorry this was so long but I hope this helps those who didn't get to see the show!:kiss:

No, no, great post! Thanks! I *ahem* fell asleep before the show ended, so it was great to get filled in on some of what I missed.

No way there would be an airstrip long enough to land a 777 on the island. There's been a lot of really contrived (IMHO) hypotheses about an airstrip that surfaces from underwater, stuff like that, that the plane was going to land on. I'm satisfied from what Damon and Carlton said that the plane was flying over and crashed. No intended landing.

I agree that there really isn't a place for a plane to land on the island, but my nagging question is, if the plane crashed while overhead through pure coincidence, why was the plane overhead in the first place? They were so far away from their intended route. What sent them off course? Maybe someday Darlton will answer that one! :)

Thanks to everyone who posted recaps, etc. You all rock! :biggrin:

It could have been pulled by the heavy electric magnectic pulse that Des released when he wasn't there to push the button. Although, I honestly don't see how it could have gotten that far off course in such a short time... :undecide:

This show was about giving its viewers answers, not waffling about the answers as they often do on the podcasts. Here are some quotes for those who missed the epi.

Sorry this was so long but I hope this helps those who didn't get to see the show!:kiss:


Huge props to Lost_in_CA!

Thanks for putting this together...

Someone mentioned in another thread that they said Vincent is JUST A DOG...not Satan or a ghost , blah, blah, blah...

Any confirmation of this? I'll be watching again tonite so I'll post once I can confirm this.

Wow, thanks, Lost_in_CA! I think I gained more from your recap than I did from the actual show!

I agree that there really isn't a place for a plane to land on the island, but my nagging question is, if the plane crashed while overhead through pure coincidence, why was the plane overhead in the first place? They were so far away from their intended route. What sent them off course? Maybe someday Darlton will answer that one! :)

Thanks to everyone who posted recaps, etc. You all rock! :biggrin:

That's a good question. Not pushing the button caused the crash, so would the plane have broken apart had the button been pressed or would they have attempted an emergency landing? If the pilot saw the island it makes sense that he might try to land seeing as they were off course with no radio communication, etc. But would they have even seen the island had Desmond pushed the button?

Thank you so much for this. I had to work so I did miss the show.


Jack: the files Ben ordered revealed a spinal surgeon on board, Ben needed surgery so that's why Jack is captured. Jack sees Sawyer and Kate in the cage: "Instead of getting angry, he decides to rescue them. He wants to protect them both." He tells her to never come back for him: "He says it out of love, not out of heartbreak or jealousy." Being a woman, Juliet interpreted this differently(paraphrased).


Not to be pickey at all because that is a lot of work you did there, but did you mean to type..Kate interpreted this differently instead of Juliet?
If not I dont get it.
~~~
Puzzled

Not to be pickey at all because that is a lot of work you did there, but did you mean to type..Kate interpreted this differently instead of Juliet?
If not I dont get it.
~~~
Puzzled
Darlton said Juliet, Juliet thinks Jack told Kate to stay away because she(kate) broke Jacks heart.

Thank you so much for this. I had to work so I did miss the show.



Not to be pickey at all because that is a lot of work you did there, but did you mean to type..Kate interpreted this differently instead of Juliet?
If not I dont get it.
~~~
Puzzled

No problem, puzzled. They said Juliette. They said it after they explained Jack's reason for rescuing Kate and Sawyer. Remember how Juliet told Kate she broke Jack's heart? They said that being a woman Juliet interpreted it differently. Jack did it because he still loves Kate, despite seeing her with Sawyer. Here's the quote again:

"Instead of getting angry, he decides to rescue them. He wants to protect them both." He tells her to never come back for him: "He says it out of love, not out of heartbreak or jealousy." Cuse and Lindelof

HTH! :)

Lost Lenny, I don't remember any mention of Vincent, but I tivo'd it so I'll check again when I get a chance. Or maybe someone else can answer?

And you're very welcome, everyone! I'm always happy to help a fellow TLO fan. :biggrin:

TLO = Totally Lost Obsessed

I agree that there really isn't a place for a plane to land on the island, but my nagging question is, if the plane crashed while overhead through pure coincidence, why was the plane overhead in the first place? They were so far away from their intended route. What sent them off course? Maybe someday Darlton will answer that one! :)

Yeah, good question. Though it seems really contrived to me to think the plane was going to land on the island, that doesn't necessarily mean it hadn't been intended to crash on the island for some reason. It could have been steered int he direction of the island on purpose. Then again, it could all have been a big coincidence, too.

It could have been pulled by the heavy electric magnectic pulse that Des released when he wasn't there to push the button. Although, I honestly don't see how it could have gotten that far off course in such a short time... :undecide:

Nah...I don't think that would be possible. Didn't the pilot say they had been off course for two hours? Given how quickly all hell broke loose after the timer ran down in LTDA, that timeline can't really work out.

That's a good question. Not pushing the button caused the crash, so would the plane have broken apart had the button been pressed or would they have attempted an emergency landing? If the pilot saw the island it makes sense that he might try to land seeing as they were off course with no radio communication, etc. But would they have even seen the island had Desmond pushed the button?

I can't imagine trying to make an emergency landing with a 777 on a jungle-covered, mountainous deserted island. Perhaps he would have tried to ditch in the water if he really thought it was the only land in range, and fuel was getting low. But judging from the views of the island that we've gotten so far, I can't imagine there would be any place even for any sort of controlled emergency landing.

They also restated that Kate did not make a definitive choice; it was who was she going to sleep with first. And no, Jack hasn't given up on Kate.

They also stated directly after that that Jack saw who Kate had chosen. I think they are being vague on this to avoid alienate either ship. :biggrin:

They stated the reason for the crash but they didn't say anything about Ben wishing for a spinal surgeon and one falling out of the sky...I think this point is still up for debate. They did say that the island was capable of manifesting things...

Yeah, good question. Though it seems really contrived to me to think the plane was going to land on the island, that doesn't necessarily mean it hadn't been intended to crash on the island for some reason. It could have been steered int he direction of the island on purpose. Then again, it could all have been a big coincidence, too.



Nah...I don't think that would be possible. Didn't the pilot say they had been off course for two hours? Given how quickly all hell broke loose after the timer ran down in LTDA, that timeline can't really work out.



I can't imagine trying to make an emergency landing with a 777 on a jungle-covered, mountainous deserted island. Perhaps he would have tried to ditch in the water if he really thought it was the only land in range, and fuel was getting low. But judging from the views of the island that we've gotten so far, I can't imagine there would be any place even for any sort of controlled emergency landing.

Wasn't there a problem with compasses in S1? I think the compasses that they had weren't pointing to true north, they were pointing to the Swan Hatch due to the EMP. I wonder how far out the electrical interference goes, and if it affected the plane's navigation?

I watched the Answers epi again yesterday and something Carton said struck me as odd...he said that they show our characters in their past...present...and will also show "what they will become"

"The changes for these characters is really what the end game is all about."

I'm curious as to what some of our Losties will become...will 2 of them "become" Adam and Eve...Jacob????

I will update the original post to mention a few quotes that I missed first time around.

Answered: Jack's seeing his father Christian on the Island, Shannon seeing Walt in the rain and the Kate seeing black horse were "apparations". Cooper and the polar bear were real.
Not Answered: The Drug Plane ending up so out of it's range on this Island.

Answered: Desmod not inputting the numbers caused an electromagnetic pulse which fried the Oceanic 815's instrumant panel thereby causing the crash.
Not Answered: Why the plane broke into two?

Answered: Desmond indeed has special precogitive powers.
Not Answered: Was Walt really special?


I'm starting to wonder if the above unanswered questions will ever get answered. Do the producers feel these questions are not important, or that we would be stupid not to have gleamed the answer already, or that it is too soon to answer them (because it could be spoilerish)?

And should we read anything into the almost total omission of material about the Tailies? They do seem to have been a total sideshow at this point. And what of Walt? A mere sideshow. as well?

the plane was so far off course because they had lost communication/ radio contact and decided to turn around and go back to sydney, then they lost all control of the plane and crashed, nobody knew where they were, they were 1000 miles off course, sound familiar. Know your LOST history people, it may one day save your life;)

Not Answered: The Drug Plane ending up so out of it's range on this Island.

Not Answered: Why the plane broke into two?

Not Answered: Was Walt really special?


I'm starting to wonder if the above unanswered questions will ever get answered. Do the producers feel these questions are not important, or that we would be stupid not to have gleamed the answer already, or that it is too soon to answer them (because it could be spoilerish)?

And should we read anything into the almost total omission of material about the Tailies? They do seem to have been a total sideshow at this point. And what of Walt? A mere sideshow. as well?

Although it does appear that the tailies were just a sideshow, until Bernard is dead...I'll have to assume that the tail section survived for a reason.

I know that the producers do check these boards to take the temperature of their audience...I'm sure that all of the main questions that you mention will be covered at the end.

I really think that this series may have greatest finish of any series ever. They sure have enough to disclose that they could really end this think=g with a bang.

I'm sure that we'll get our answers in due time...but if you guys are reading this...don't be in too much of a hurry to reveal...I'm enjoying this ride!

Here is what I took from the episode...
Jacob is for real...Ben was mad because Locke did hear him. (let's end the "Ben caused this" talk!)I agree.


I think that we were told that the Losties are ALIVE "within the time/space continuum" if this doesn't put to rest the "there is no time travel/time shift" arguements, nothing will. Mittelos=Lost Time, Only fools are enslaved by time and space", and now this. For those that don't believe that there is a time discep...do you need more proof?Yes I need more. I saw it as lending no credence to either side of the discussion.


Des crashed the plane...end of this story.I agree.


It appears that we will see the Losties future's before the end of the series. (based on TPTB statements) That's good...Meh, I'm not sure what they mean when they say the future. Are they talking about the immediate future, which we will see over the remaining seasons, or are they talking about further ahead? I'm undecided about that.


Here are the others mentioned in this thread. I'll keep adding to the list as you guys mention more...
Locke is trying to keep everyone from leaving...It was confirmed that he's blowing up everything that can get them off of the island
Smokey does do some type of brain read or "picture" to read your past memory.
We know Sun really did get pregnant on the island, Juliette did not lie about that.
They also restated that Kate did not make a definitive choice; it was who was she going to sleep with first. And no, Jack hasn't given up on Kate.
They also mentioned that the reason Jack and Juliet were gone was to indeed go find Rousseau to seek her assistance.I agree.


"The swan is the MOST IMPORTANT of all the dharma stations."That's what they said, but they didn't explain it. Nor did they explain the "global catastrophe" that was averted.