Who is he???

I think Kate is referring to Sawyer.....

Which is why Jack is coming after her ...He loves her...and lost her to Sawyer????

I had been wondering if it had been Sawyer who'd died and had the funeral...

I think it's just some random Lostie who had a funeral, but Jack felt responsible for how that person's life went south after they were rescued.

I'm pretty sure Kate shacked up with Sawyer.

I thought the funera was Sawyers until I read on that thread about Hurly would have come...lol..and than when Kate said He would be wondering...I really think HE is Sawyer

I thought the funera was Sawyers until I read on that thread about Hurly would have come...lol..and than when Kate said He would be wondering...I really think HE is Sawyer

True, I thought it was Sawyer's funeral too, but that comment about Hurley put that to bed.

Anyway, I'm not sure Kate would be with Sawyer once they are rescued. Kate knows his true character, she told Jack, he wouldn't do it for you. I don't think that any of them would choose to be together after they were rescued. I'm thinking "HE" is just someone we don't know.

I also think the "HE" is someone not from the island. I think Sawyer's on the island. Dead or alive. Kate looked fairly cynical and bitter? maybe that was just her makeup which I'm not used to seeing her in. Anyway, I don't think she's with Sawyer. If it was, I think after everything, Sawyer wouldv'e wanted to go with her, to help Jack if he could.

Maybe "he" is Jacob, like all the previous discussions about the mysterious "he". heh :biggrin:

Whoever he is, I feel sorry for him; Make the wrong move and end up a charcoal briquette at the hands of Killing Kate :eek2:

What is "He" is her son, who was fathered by Sawyer. I could totally see Sawyer and the gang being left behind, but Kate giving birth to his son back home. I hope that isn't the case, because I real be very sad if we never have another skate scene back on the island. But you never know.

I thought about that too, being the kid, but she wouldn't leave a baby/toddler/preschooler alone in an apartment. I guess there could be a babysitter and "he's"(the kid) waiting for mom to come home and tuck him in and "he'll be wondering" where mom is.

Or it was Sawyer, and Kate hooked up with another person from the Island once they were back?

Although the more I'm thinking about it, based on where in the episode the funeral scene occurred, that it might have been Locke who had died.

What is "He" is her son, who was fathered by Sawyer. I could totally see Sawyer and the gang being left behind, but Kate giving birth to his son back home. I hope that isn't the case, because I real be very sad if we never have another skate scene back on the island. But you never know.:thumbsup: Good theory.

I think Kate might be referring to her husband, the Marshell. The reason why I believe it's the Marshell is because Kate is not in jail. I know most people believe that the Marshell is dead, but if Jack's dad is alive, than it's likely that the Marshell is too. I think a lot of people would like to believe that Kate was referring to Sawyer. But if Sawyer had made it off the island, along with Kate and Jack,. Jack would have called Sawyer, when he called Kate,and Sawyer would have been there with them. I think Jack and Kate return, but they return to a different timeline.

True, I thought it was Sawyer's funeral too, but that comment about Hurley put that to bed.

Anyway, I'm not sure Kate would be with Sawyer once they are rescued. Kate knows his true character, she told Jack, he wouldn't do it for you. I don't think that any of them would choose to be together after they were rescued. I'm thinking "HE" is just someone we don't know.

I agree. I have a feeling it isn't Sawyer... why wouldn't she say the name, we all know she's with Sawyer at the moment, so there's no need to be vague unless it's not who we expect.

My favorite theory so far is that the funeral was Michael's. Neither friend nor family, but he was once. Jack would be grieved by the tragedy that Michael went through on the island. OTOH, I could see why others wouldn't go to the funeral, and Kate's reaction would be about right too, I think.

I doubt it's Sawyer. If it's an alternate timeline, it could be Tom (Kate's childhood sweetheart) or Nathan Fillion's character (sorry, can't remember his name). This could be especially probable since Kate's not in jail and appears to be settled.

It's obvious the writers are leading us to believe "He" is Sawyer....but we know it rarely comes out the way we expect.

I had been wondering if it had been Sawyer who'd died and had the funeral...

It couldn't be becuase wouldn't kate have been at the funeral then?

For some reason I think that Kate was referring to someone in power. Not Sawyer, but someone who helped Kate and Jack get off the island. Someone with money, good connections that has allowed her to not be put in jail, but she isn't allowed free reign to go wherever, kinda controlled. I'm not sure whether it's a love interest, or whether they even have a relationship, but Kate is stuck with 'him'.
The funeral that Jack went to I'd say would be another lostie, probably someone that did get off the island with Kate and Jack, and from the way Kate responded "why would I go" seemed as if she would if she could but she's not allowed, that also seems to explain why she seems to have a restricted communication with Jack, shown by "I know what you said" by Jack when he called, it's not because she doesn't want to see Jack, because she wouldn't have come if she didn't want to, but she's allowed limited free reign.
And I think why Kate expected her to be there, was because the person who died was one of their 3 from the island.

Anyone else really craving to know what they did to get off the island? why Kate and Jack both feel guilty for leaving, and why Jack wants to go back so much? This break is going to drive me nuts! :biggrin:

Whoever it is, Kate obviously feels some sort of obligation to him. It could be a boyfriend/husband, or if enough time has elapsed into the future, a son. I think the former is more likely, but hesitate to throw out a name. Sawyer seems like the obvious choice, but the obvious rarely happens on Lost.

For some reason I think that Kate was referring to someone in power. Not Sawyer, but someone who helped Kate and Jack get off the island. Someone with money, good connections that has allowed her to not be put in jail, but she isn't allowed free reign to go wherever, kinda controlled. I'm not sure whether it's a love interest, or whether they even have a relationship, but Kate is stuck with 'him'.
The funeral that Jack went to I'd say would be another lostie, probably someone that did get off the island with Kate and Jack, and from the way Kate responded "why would I go" seemed as if she would if she could but she's not allowed, that also seems to explain why she seems to have a restricted communication with Jack, shown by "I know what you said" by Jack when he called, it's not because she doesn't want to see Jack, because she wouldn't have come if she didn't want to, but she's allowed limited free reign.
And I think why Kate expected her to be there, was because the person who died was one of their 3 from the island.

Anyone else really craving to know what they did to get off the island? why Kate and Jack both feel guilty for leaving, and why Jack wants to go back so much? This break is going to drive me nuts! :biggrin:

I think you're right on. The way she said the line made me feel like it was someone she was not with by choice.

I'm putting my money on Daddy Austin. Probably helping her hide; after he thought she'd died he might be more likely to 'break the rules' to protect his 'daughter'.

i personally think the funeral was michaels. which is why no one showed up. i mean this may sound sexist, but it seemed to be in a black neighborhood.

Whoever he is, I feel sorry for him; Make the wrong move and end up a charcoal briquette at the hands of Killing Kate

wow, I think that was uncalled for...

I think it's Sawyer but that's because I want to think that...I don't think it's a kid because kids may wonder where you are but it wouldn't be an issue. I mean seriously - mommy's going out for a bit, back soon. They way she said it indicated someone who would care that she was with Jack which would make me think Sawyer. If it were some other guy, why would he care that she was visiting a fellow crash survivor??

I agree. I have a feeling it isn't Sawyer... why wouldn't she say the name, we all know she's with Sawyer at the moment, so there's no need to be vague unless it's not who we expect.

If she was referring to Sawyer, which I believe she was, I don't think using the pronoun "he" was vague so much as it was obvious who she was talking about and therefore unnecessary to say his name to Jack, like they both knew exactly who she meant, and who else would she keep a secret meeting with Jack from but Sawyer?

The name of the person in the newspaper starts with a "J". This person commited suicide. J... Can be John Locke, James Ford, Juliet Burk, Jin... who else?

No idea about who "He" is... I don´t think its Sawyer, because Jack would have must asked about him...
Seems like this "he" wouldnt liked to know about Kate meeting Jack.
And when he talked with her on the phone, Jack says "In the airport, YOU KNOW WHERE". Seems like they used to meet there before.

I'm putting my money on Daddy Austin. Probably helping her hide; after he thought she'd died he might be more likely to 'break the rules' to protect his 'daughter'.


I like that theory. I just don't see how she is "free" now. She doesn't appear to be running if she is just hanging out in L.A. and Jack is able to contact her. The obvious answer would be Sawyer, but hopefully TPTB wouldn't make it that obvious with 3 more seasons to go.

I think everyone (and it might not be all the losties, but just Jack and Kate) are being watched. By someone very powerful...Dharma, perhaps.

I mean, we pretty much know at this point, or at least I'm sure of it, that Naomi is NOT sent by Penny, so she is most likely sent by Dharma. Her boat was Dharma.

So, maybe Dharma has reintroduced the losties, or select losties, back into the real world again. This could be the "I'm sick of lying" comment Jack made. He's sick of not being able to acknowledge what happened to him on the island.

Dharma probably made up some huge cover story about the rescue and the losties, and is forcing the losties somehow to maintain that illusion.

Also I think Christian Sheppard is dead. The look that the other doctor gave Jack when he mentioned him really led me to believe that.

ok im sure i might cause some sparks here, but i think its pretty incredulous to say Kate wouldn't go to sawyer's funeral IF it was hi, which i doubt. because sawyer is to tall to fit in that casket.

I think HE is sawyer she didn't say it so she didn't hurt jack b.c she knows he loves her.

And why would they only save kate and jack? if it was a problem of space take Claire & the baby and Sun the pregnant woman.

I do not think he is sawyer. I am not sure who it is but I really do not think Sawyer at all. Sawyer and Jack have a weird bond I do not think if they were both off the island that they would hang out and be best friends but I think if he was Sawyer that he would go with Kate to meet up with Jack. If for no other reason than to get in Jacks face and ask him why he is bugging his girl.
I also do not think everyone got off the island and that is why he wants to go back so bad. Why else would he want to go back unless if he felt that he needed to save someone?
It also seems to me that no one knew he was on a pane that crashed. It was like he was just reinjected back into society or something.
I am not totally sure about the flash forward thing in a way it is neat but also in a way it is weird and another thing to get LOST on.

[quote=iamlost2;1570800]I think Kate might be referring to her husband, the Marshell. The reason why I believe it's the Marshell is because Kate is not in jail. I know most people believe that the Marshell is dead, but if Jack's dad is alive, than it's likely that the Marshell is too. I think a lot of people would like to believe that Kate was referring to Sawyer. But if Sawyer had made it off the island, along with Kate and Jack,. Jack would have called Sawyer, when he called Kate,and Sawyer would have been there with them. I think Jack and Kate return, but they return to a different timeline.[/quote

I think you're on the right track, but it could also be her police officer husband. He could have transferred to the LAPD or one of the surrounding 'burbs. They are still legally married, eventhough she left him. Damon and Carlton have unequivocally stated that those who die on the island stay dead, so I'm disinclined to believe it's the US Marshall.

[quote=iamlost2;1570800]I think Kate might be referring to her husband, the Marshell. The reason why I believe it's the Marshell is because Kate is not in jail. I know most people believe that the Marshell is dead, but if Jack's dad is alive, than it's likely that the Marshell is too. I think a lot of people would like to believe that Kate was referring to Sawyer. But if Sawyer had made it off the island, along with Kate and Jack,. Jack would have called Sawyer, when he called Kate,and Sawyer would have been there with them. I think Jack and Kate return, but they return to a different timeline.[/quote

I think you're on the right track, but it could also be her police officer husband. He could have transferred to the LAPD or one of the surrounding 'burbs. They are still legally married, eventhough she left him. Damon and Carlton have unequivocally stated that those who die on the island stay dead, so I'm disinclined to believe it's the US Marshall.

Actually, they're not legally married. Kate got married under a fake name (Monica) so the marriage was bogus from the start.

I thought that the show sealed itself with a Jacket ending.... So I don't think Jack lost Kate to someone. It was about something else. They have to go back for some reason and Jack tries to convince Kate but fails.

I thought that the show sealed itself with a Jacket ending.... So I don't think Jack lost Kate to someone. It was about something else. They have to go back for some reason and Jack tries to convince Kate but fails.


I think the show ended with Jate ending. We won't know who the "he" is for a while so this discussion should tide everyone over for what 8, 9 months? And, trust me Jack is NOT done convincing Kate of anything. :biggrin:

I think the show ended with Jate ending. We won't know who the "he" is for a while so this discussion should tide everyone over for what 8, 9 months? And, trust me Jack is NOT done convincing Kate of anything. :biggrin:

LOL. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: . I don't know really, if he didn't see Juliet that way, why the kiss? As a goodbye? Guess we will have to wait and see.

I think Kate might be referring to her husband, the Marshell.
Kate was not wearing a ring.

LOL. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: . I don't know really, if he didn't see Juliet that way, why the kiss? As a goodbye? Guess we will have to wait and see. Well Juliet initiated the kiss, he seemed surprised by it (imo), and made it immediately clear to Kate afterwards that he loves her... didn't seem to me as if Jack would be head over heels for Juliet ;)

I think Kate was referring to either a child or someone we simply don't know. I also like the idea that it she might have meant her dad - I can very well imagine that. I just don't think it's Sawyer, it'd be "too easy".

I think the funeral was Michael's. I saw a screencap of the obituary on another site, blown up. You still couldn't see the whole thing, but there was a reference to New York in it. Michael is the only character I can think of with any connection to New York (he did, didn't he?). Except I'd think that Walt would be there ... unless something had happened to Walt in the meantime ...

I think the funeral was Michael's. I saw a screencap of the obituary on another site, blown up. You still couldn't see the whole thing, but there was a reference to New York in it. Michael is the only character I can think of with any connection to New York (he did, didn't he?). Except I'd think that Walt would be there ... unless something had happened to Walt in the meantime ...

Yeah, the newspaper clipping is about a man from new york, but it also mentions his name. His first name (the man who died) starts with a Jo, Je or Ja, and his last name ends with -antham. So not Michael.

Kate drove up in a Volvo to meet w/ Jack. I don't think the "he" is Sawyer, as much as that pains me to say. It looks to me that Kate might be a kept women....by someone very powerful and rich. Maybe this was their escape off the island...and Jack let her do it and now feels guilty. I think Sawyer dies on the island.:frown:

I'm dying to seeing who "he" is and who was in the pinebox. We're going to have to wait obviously. They didn't really give an clues, but Sawyer doesn't strike me as a guy who'd be keeping tabs on her for not being at home or wherever else for 45 mins so I doubt that it's him.

If she was referring to Sawyer, which I believe she was, I don't think using the pronoun "he" was vague so much as it was obvious who she was talking about and therefore unnecessary to say his name to Jack, like they both knew exactly who she meant, and who else would she keep a secret meeting with Jack from but Sawyer? I'm sure it was intended for us to think "he" was Sawyer, in which case Kate wouldn't need to use his name. And Sawyer is the possessive type and who knows what happened in the meantime where Sawyer and Jack are on the outs, so to speak, so it's plausible that Kate wouldn't want him to know she was meeting Jack.
Like Minnie I first thought the person in the casket would be Sawyer - no family or friends to show up at the funeral, but Kate saying "why would I go" to the funeral would only make sense if she were still a fugitive, which from the mid-sized car and her neat appearance would suggest otherwise.

For me, who the two "he's" are --the man wondering where Kate is, and the dead man--is an open question till whenever they decide to give us more clues next year.

What is "He" is her son, who was fathered by Sawyer. I could totally see Sawyer and the gang being left behind, but Kate giving birth to his son back home. I hope that isn't the case, because I real be very sad if we never have another skate scene back on the island. But you never know.

I said this to my other half straight after she said it! We're 'supposed' to think it's Sawyer but that would be just too obvious - considering that 'they think I might be pregnant' cropped up earlier in the episode I think the 'he' is definitely her son.

Wow how CUTE would a Skate baby be?! ;)

Kate drove up in a Volvo to meet w/ Jack. I don't think the "he" is Sawyer, as much as that pains me to say. It looks to me that Kate might be a kept women....by someone very powerful and rich. Maybe this was their escape off the island...and Jack let her do it and now feels guilty. I think Sawyer dies on the island.:frown:

Some clues as to who "He" is:

1. Kate was, indeed, driving a Volvo. TPTB made a point of displaying that. Parents with money drive Volvos - very safe kiddie/family car. I infer from this that Kate has children.

2. TPTB made a point of showing the scene between Kate and Sawyer where he is annoyed at her suggestion to go back to the beach. "You always gotta be going back for somethin'!". If you flash this forward, you can picture Kate suggesting to Sawyer in present day that they go back to the island as Jack suggested. You can infer that Kate would not really want to bring such a suggestion up to Sawyer.

3. There was complete familiarity between Kate and Jack as to who "He" is. I think "He" is someone Jack knows and knows well.

4. No way is Sawyer in the coffin. No matter what he did, Kate would go to a funeral.

5. No way Sawyer was left on the island. Kate would go back for him no matter what. The writers have made that pretty clear about her character.

My analysis: Kate has been "pardoned" for her crimes by the government who has needed her cooperation in whatever cover-up is afoot about the island. They all got $$ from the airline as a "settlement", plus a "golden ticket". Kate has a child by Sawyer, they are together, she has money, is driving a Volvo and is now a free woman. She knows Sawyer will sh*t if she tells him she's met w/ Jack and he wants them to "go back", and Jack knows this. Hence, the secrecy and her reluctance to entertain such a suggestion from Jack.

It's difficult to tell exactly how much time has passed, so IF kate was refering to a child it's got to be a young child. Jack seemed to messed up that I got the impression they would have been back on the island a little while, but not years.

I think it is impossible to guess. What is more interesting is why Kate is so reluctant to see Jack, why she is so angry at him and why she had told him never to call her. They were not on good terms, and Jack must have done something pretty major for Kate not to want to see or speak to him or hear from him.

It could well be sawyer, but what would make the most sense to why kate would be so upset with Jack that she never wanted tgo see him was that his actions that he obviously feels so tormented about resulted in sawyer's death?

I guess we will have to wait until we have more clues!

you know... didn't kate's high school sweetheart (doctor) tom drive a volvo when she went back to iowa? didn't he die, in fact, in that very same volvo?

what if the whole "alternate timeline" theory shows that by coming home from the island, jack has become a drugged out loser (essentially, his father... opposite of all that he stood for BEFORE the island), and kate has become the sweet little made up housewife of a doctor, complete with a volvo? i wouldn't be surprised if there were a carseat or two in the back of that thing...

hmm... :undecide:

you know... didn't kate's high school sweetheart (doctor) tom drive a volvo when she went back to iowa? didn't he die, in fact, in that very same volvo?

what if the whole "alternate timeline" theory shows that by coming home from the island, jack has become a drugged out loser (essentially, his father... opposite of all that he stood for BEFORE the island), and kate has become the sweet little made up housewife of a doctor, complete with a volvo? i wouldn't be surprised if there were a carseat or two in the back of that thing...

hmm... :undecide:

I also think the he she refered to is her childhood sweetheart.
I think the future they came home to is altered and they know it.
Jack wants to put it back the way it should be and Kate is willing to leave it alone.

My theory is...she used Shannon, Libby, or some other dead gal's name to the rescue party. Kate Austen was declared officially dead in the crash.
So using her new name she did what she always had before. Married some guy and started a new life. This guy is very likely the 'he'. Kate was VERY bitter reading the obit, the only one capable of evoking that type of emotion is a lover who jilted you somehow. So the funeral was for Sawyer. (I wrote 7 reasons why I believe that in the funeral/obit sticky thread.) Jack would know about him, of course, cause he had her phone number so they had to have stayed in contact, he probably knows all about 'him' that way. That doesn't mean it's someone from the island. If she's trying to not let 'him' know her whereabouts it's probably NOT an island guy. Why would Sawyer have a problem with her meeting Jack? It's just not adding up that way.

I also think the he she refered to is her childhood sweetheart.
I think the future they came home to is altered and they know it.
Jack wants to put it back the way it should be and Kate is willing to leave it alone.

...that could also be why jack says that he's tired of lying... maybe in order to leave the island, they had to swear never to speak of it again to anyone. maybe they even had to swear to deny that they were even ON the island the whole time they were missing.

i agree too that coming home to a reality like that might make kate willing to just leave things be... but we all know jack. even ben said last night, he's gotta go and try to fix everything. much like the car accident he saved that woman from, he was a hero for saving the losties, and yet he just as much caused the accident as he did the horrible life he is now living off the island.

I also think the he she refered to is her childhood sweetheart.
I think the future they came home to is altered and they know it.
Jack wants to put it back the way it should be and Kate is willing to leave it alone.

This is an excellent theory. Jack's whole thing about "I'm sick of lying" and Kate telling him that "this isn't going to change" could really fit in with them being aware of an altered timeline/future/reality.

Interesting thought about the childhood sweetheart. Hmmmm.

Could be "He", who is wondering of her whereabouts, is just her parole officer...

Could be "He", who is wondering of her whereabouts, is just her parole officer...
If Kate was convicited of her crimes, she would not be on parole. She would be in jail for any years. She has a murder rap on her not to mention evading capture.

If Kate was convicited of her crimes, she would not be on parole. She would be in jail for any years. She has a murder rap on her not to mention evading capture.

Maybe she cut a deal..."I'll keep quiet about the freaky island, if you go easy on me on the whole daddy-cide thing..."

Maybe she cut a deal..."I'll keep quiet about the freaky island, if you go easy on me on the whole daddy-cide thing..."

LOL... :grin:

Maybe she cut a deal..."I'll keep quiet about the freaky island, if you go easy on me on the whole daddy-cide thing..."

I doubt they cut a deal re: the island. Jack is still looking for it. If they did tell they would look insane. And Jack probably wouldn't be working back at the hospital. I think Naomi was lying as well and there was no other plane found. So, they don't have to make up any story. They just return. That's what leads me to believe that Naomi's folks are up to no good. If they did get to the island and give some form of rescue, they didn't tell anyone where the island is.

Maybe she cut a deal..."I'll keep quiet about the freaky island, if you go easy on me on the whole daddy-cide thing..."

ROFL!!!!:biggrin: I would think they'd just let her go, but hey I was convinced that Ben hated Karl for a much bigger reason and last night we found out Nope, it was like everyone was saying. Ben didn't want Alex to get pregnant.

It's obvious the writers are leading us to believe "He" is Sawyer....but we know it rarely comes out the way we expect.

Doesnt seem to me that the writing have lead us to believe its Sawyer. I think thats our own sorta expectations speaking. Truthfully, when you examine the conversation, I dont tihnk anything hints at Sawyer at all.

"I have to go. His going to be wondering where I went."

She's talking about her baby boy, the baby she had with Sawyer.

what are you talking about

What Kate said to Jack, that "HE would be wondering where she went".. interesting theory, never considered the "he" could be a child.. I was thinking hubby...

i honestly think that "He" is the one and only Swayer.because we know that swayer hated jack.

If she did have a kid, he would only be 2 or 3 now. Firstly, she's not going to leave him alone at that age. Secondly, he's not going to wonder where she is- too young,

If she did have a kid, he would only be 2 or 3 now. Firstly, she's not going to leave him alone at that age. Secondly, he's not going to wonder where she is- too young,
yeah, i'd have to agree with you there--I think it's Sawyer.

For some reason, my initial reaction was that she was working with Widmore/Mittleos/Evil Corporation under a new identity. There would have been a scandal if she had been pardoned, and the Corporation wants to keep this whole thing as quiet as possible.

This would also continue the theme of people being forced/coerced to work while it destroys their personal relationships: Jin, Juliet, maybe even Boone.

Also, this would be why she would have a history of meeting with Jack in secret - rescuees talking increases the risk of an information leak.

Even though Sawyer obviously had some issues, do you really think that he would forbid Kate from talking to Jack? I don't think he would go so far as to do that, but maybe that's just me.
100%
though I do agree that it probably was Sawyer she was referring to, but I just can't imagine Sawyer not allowing her to see him. Maybe it's just that Jack starting calling way too much and that's why Sawyer doesn't want him to talk to her, but I don't think he would just say that she wasn't allowed to EVER see him.

I could never imagine Sawyer in a 'domestic situation' like that. Because of that I dont' think "He" was Sawyer. Remember, they have been 'home' for quite some time now and I'm sure they've been through a lot, so it could be just about anyone. What if it's a new bf Kate has that doesn't like Jack or something like that?

intersting theory, but i agree the "he" i can't be her child - he'd be too young. and kate was not wearing a wedding ring when she had that moment with jack, so i assume she is unmarried.
it's only logical to think that she's talking about her lover sawyer, but that seems to easy. i'm more inclined to believe that she is talking about someone else, someone who's not even her lover. knowing sawyer, it's much more likely that he ends up in the coffin than playing house in LA with kate.
but who really know? what happens to these people to bring them from island time to future time is obviously something we can't anticipate. what is clear is the intervening events will change the attitudes they have about eachother and the bonds they have formed (as evidenced by take turning her back on jack, something she would never do on the island). island kate loves and trusts jack and follows him like a puppy dog. back-to-reality kate did not seem to trust jack at all and wanted to stay away from him (her body language told me she still had feelings for him though).
i saw someone in another post theorize that it's sawyer in the coffin and the "he" kate refers to is sayid. i kind of like that idea of kate shacking up with sayid. i notice he's had eyes for kate from the beginning and if i were kate i might pick him over jack and sawyer, who just have so many issues.
speaking truthfully, though, with all the jack and kate build up over the past 3 seasons, if the show ends without them together, i'll be bitteraly disappointed.

I think Sawyer is in the casket... and that "he"... is one of the "other" others.

Kate didn't want to go back to the island because she is afraid of the people on the boat.

The "he" would definitely be somebody that we know.

Sawyer.

i assumed it was sawyer last night, but i sorta like they idea of sawyer being the one in the coffin, i was thinking of that all day today. at first i assumed either mike or locke in the coffin though

Pretty certain it's no one we know yet in the coffin.

And the "he" most definitely could be Kate's son. A 2/3 (at the very least!) year old can't wonder where his mother is or miss her?

I thought it was her son too. You don't go out in the middle of the night and not tell your partner where you're going or at least leave a note or something. But a child would wonder and get upset.

Yep i think its Sawyer too.
Pretty obvious reason why Sawyer would not want Kate to meet Jack considering the past those two have together.
Sawyer knows very well Kate is in love with Jack, i wouldn't want her to meet him either.

-Exodus

It's Sayid

I think it is a mislead... I think the child theory is a good one - because if Kate is pregnant the only way she can have the baby is if she gets off the Island. I can see Sawyer telling Jack to rescue Kate so that she can deliver his baby safely back in the States. So she won't die.

I really can't see TPTB making people "happy". :biggrin:

I think if you look at how Jack kept referring to his father as alive, I wonder if 'HE' wouldn't be Kate's love (little plane boy) who 'died' when he was trying to be the getaway driver from the hospital? If Christian is alive maybe this is an alternate universe where other people are still alive and thats why she doesn't want to go back?

i think its simply a random dude she's shacking up with. i believe Sawyer is still on the island along with everyone who wasn't in the immediate group. ...remember its a big island.

I am actually hoping that what you say is true, Dolphinjen. It would be cool if Sawyer and some of the other Losties were left on the island for some reason, and Jack, Kate, and a few more were rescued.

Perhaps the people that Naomi worked for, the people that wanted to find the island, are keeping certain people captive, for who knows what reason (experiments, answers to questions, etc).

If Sawyer was left behind, he could have taken over a leader role to those Losties still left on the island, as he was perhaps groomed to be (Hurley's con). I wish this would happen, but I highly doubt it.

Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Jin, and the others are on the beach, so I assume they would see Naomi's freighter first.

And then we have to consider- who will be rescued, and who will be left behind? If anyone is left behind at all?...



I also think the "HE" is someone not from the island. I think Sawyer's on the island. Dead or alive. Kate looked fairly cynical and bitter? maybe that was just her makeup which I'm not used to seeing her in. Anyway, I don't think she's with Sawyer. If it was, I think after everything, Sawyer wouldv'e wanted to go with her, to help Jack if he could.
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I think your thoughts make sense about Dharma, Andromeda. After all, Locke did send out that signal in Mikhail's cabin before it blew up. Good call...


I think everyone (and it might not be all the losties, but just Jack and Kate) are being watched. By someone very powerful...Dharma, perhaps.

I mean, we pretty much know at this point, or at least I'm sure of it, that Naomi is NOT sent by Penny, so she is most likely sent by Dharma. Her boat was Dharma.

So, maybe Dharma has reintroduced the losties, or select losties, back into the real world again. This could be the "I'm sick of lying" comment Jack made. He's sick of not being able to acknowledge what happened to him on the island.

Dharma probably made up some huge cover story about the rescue and the losties, and is forcing the losties somehow to maintain that illusion.

Also I think Christian Sheppard is dead. The look that the other doctor gave Jack when he mentioned him really led me to believe that.

Everyone is assuming that if it were Sawyer, he would forbid Kate to speak to Jack, or they cant imagine him in a "domestic" like situation. I would think that initially too, but remember how different Sawyer seems after killing the real Sawyer, how do we know how much he would have changed post-island? he could have become a totally different person than he was before. Remember, that was his whole life's mission, now that it's done, maybe the tiger can change his stripes.

Pretty certain it's no one we know yet in the coffin.

How could you be certain of that? Anyway, if another major character dies (with 3 more seasons you have to believe that at least one more major character will die) then Sawyers death takes care of the love triangle. And has anyone else noticed that Sawyer is becoming quite the little murderer? He will pay for "turning to the dark side." And remember that the person in the casket has no friends or family, AND that Jack was shocked that Kate did not go to visit with the deceased. Its Sawyer.

And the "he" most definitely could be Kate's son. A 2/3 (at the very least!) year old can't wonder where his mother is or miss her?

Where are you all getting that this is 2-3 years later? Was there some reason to think that it was that long that I missed? I was thinking like 6 months later.

I think Sawyer is in the casket... and that "he"... is one of the "other" others.

Kate didn't want to go back to the island because she is afraid of the people on the boat.

Well, whoever is in the casket, it had to be someone Jack cared about deeply. He cried when he read the obituary in the newspaper and attended the funeral. I doubt Jack would cry for Sawyer, so who would he cry for? Locke? Maybe. Juliet? Undoubtedly. Or possibly, as others had guessed, someone we haven't met yet.

For some reason I think that Kate was referring to someone in power. Not Sawyer, but someone who helped Kate and Jack get off the island. Someone with money, good connections that has allowed her to not be put in jail, but she isn't allowed free reign to go wherever, kinda controlled. I'm not sure whether it's a love interest, or whether they even have a relationship, but Kate is stuck with 'him'.

Someone like Mr. Widmore...

Given the way Kate was all made up, I was thinking she had a powerful sugardaddy who was able to keep her out of jail.

I also think the he she refered to is her childhood sweetheart.
I think the future they came home to is altered and they know it.
Jack wants to put it back the way it should be and Kate is willing to leave it alone.

Very nice idea. In addition, maybe the "lying" Jack referred to is lying to himself? Over time, perhaps he's tried to fool himself into thinking that his current reality is where he should be, but deep down he knows it's not?

i personally think the funeral was michaels. which is why no one showed up. i mean this may sound sexist, but it seemed to be in a black neighborhood.

I'm just glad you didn't make any racist blond jokes. :biggrin:

Add me into those who think it's Sawyer she's wanting to get back to. When we see his flash forward, he will be in designer loafers anda sweater vest and driving a Beemer. :biglaugh:

Sorry if someone else posted this.

But id say its Kate's Step Father.

Jack's father is still alive, and think about the conversation with Jack and Kate.
They are stuck on a different world, the whole "The island is the nexus of diverging timelines theory" was dead on, thats exactly w'hats going on.


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Kate drove up in a Volvo to meet w/ Jack It looks to me that Kate might be a kept women....by someone very powerful and rich

I got the same impression....arriving in a Volvo and Kate kooking SO well kept and her makeup So perfect and her hair So shiny (I know she is not living wild on the island anymore but her appearance stood out) particularly in comparison to Jack's breakdown appearance......which may give legs to a Witness Protection scenario (or a Hanso/Dharma version of it anyway) for Kate

What is more interesting is why Kate is so reluctant to see Jack, why she is so angry at him and why she had told him never to call her. They were not on good terms, and Jack must have done something pretty major for Kate not to want to see or speak to him or hear from him.


I didn't get anger in Kate at all towards Jack (the warm smile when she meets him in particular)...but she obviously doesn't feel right about meeting with him for some reason....

Sorry if someone else posted this.

But I'd say its Kate's Step Father.

Jack's father is still alive, and think about the conversation with Jack and Kate.
They are stuck on a different world, the whole "The island is the nexus of diverging timelines theory" was dead on, thats exactly w'hats going on.


I don't believe Christian is alive and I am with the poster that got the same feeling when Jack went off in front of the Chief of Surgery...the doctor looked somewhat horrified by this suggestion but was trying to remain calm and not set Jack off.

The 'he' could be Sam as you say.....or a son....or someone giving her witness protection....

I think the "He" is the same "He" Ben refers to ... Jacob or his replacement, Locke. You see, in the future I think Kate becomes an Other and works with Richard and Jacob to fight the boat people for the island. Hasn't anyone wondered why Kate, after being rescued, is not in jail? I think Jack made a deal with the boat people and leaves the island and goes home. Kate stays to fight to keep the island out of the boat people (bad people) hands. They win and the new Others continue their Other ways, taking the sub and working in the real world on whatever the Others are doing on the island. Kate is an Other in the final scene and Jacob/Locke is who will wonder where she is because she is not supposed to meet with Jack, who most consider a traitor for leaving the good fight. And that is why Jack is so depressed. He made the wrong choice.

Some clues as to who "He" is:

1. Kate was, indeed, driving a Volvo. TPTB made a point of displaying that. Parents with money drive Volvos - very safe kiddie/family car. I infer from this that Kate has children.

2. TPTB made a point of showing the scene between Kate and Sawyer where he is annoyed at her suggestion to go back to the beach. "You always gotta be going back for somethin'!". If you flash this forward, you can picture Kate suggesting to Sawyer in present day that they go back to the island as Jack suggested. You can infer that Kate would not really want to bring such a suggestion up to Sawyer.

3. There was complete familiarity between Kate and Jack as to who "He" is. I think "He" is someone Jack knows and knows well.

4. No way is Sawyer in the coffin. No matter what he did, Kate would go to a funeral.

5. No way Sawyer was left on the island. Kate would go back for him no matter what. The writers have made that pretty clear about her character.

My analysis: Kate has been "pardoned" for her crimes by the government who has needed her cooperation in whatever cover-up is afoot about the island. They all got $$ from the airline as a "settlement", plus a "golden ticket". Kate has a child by Sawyer, they are together, she has money, is driving a Volvo and is now a free woman. She knows Sawyer will sh*t if she tells him she's met w/ Jack and he wants them to "go back", and Jack knows this. Hence, the secrecy and her reluctance to entertain such a suggestion from Jack.

This is the theory I find the most plausible because there's no way Kate, regardless of Sawyer's wishes, would leave him behind. He's waiting for her at home, and she knows he'll be pissed because they got a second chance by surviving the island. He wouldn't want to return, and I could see him being pissed at Jack for wanting to drag Kate back to that hell. I was pissed he asked her to go back.

Are we sure Kate is even pregnant ?

Well, whoever is in the casket, it had to be someone Jack cared about deeply. He cried when he read the obituary in the newspaper and attended the funeral. I doubt Jack would cry for Sawyer, so who would he cry for? Locke? Maybe. Juliet? Undoubtedly. Or possibly, as others had guessed, someone we haven't met yet.If they're being rescued shortly after that phone call, how can we haven't met him/her ?
No one is at his/her funeral and kate looks pretty upset when Jack asks her why she wasn't at the funeral. As if it wasn't really appropriate. So I believe it's no one from the losties.

I think it was Sawyer's funeral.
And then Kate was so harsh about it because something happened between them.
And that something we are going to find out.

I think it's whoever is keeping tabs on them after their return, forcing Jack to LIE, keep the island and the goings-on there secret still (including the fact that some of Jack's people are still there and supposedly dead as far as the world knows). Perhaps Jack made a deal with the devil to get home and now regrets the decision.

How could you be certain of that? Anyway, if another major character dies (with 3 more seasons you have to believe that at least one more major character will die) then Sawyers death takes care of the love triangle. And has anyone else noticed that Sawyer is becoming quite the little murderer? He will pay for "turning to the dark side." And remember that the person in the casket has no friends or family, AND that Jack was shocked that Kate did not go to visit with the deceased. Its Sawyer.



Where are you all getting that this is 2-3 years later? Was there some reason to think that it was that long that I missed? I was thinking like 6 months later.

It's been mentioned in other threads. The car is a late 2004 model. The phone is late 2006. That last bit means this scene happened in 2007 or later most likely.

I doubt it's anyone we know in the coffin cause that just doesn't ring true. Everyone's tossing names around, haven't seen any really good arguments yet. Doubt there's much theorizing to do here yet.

My guess is that Kate shacked up with somebody powerful who was able to erase the criminal charges against her. And whoever "he" is made it conditional that she not have contact with Jack anymore - hence the secretiveness of their meeting and the warning implied when she said "he'll be wondering where I am."

Since most folks seem to think "He" is Sawyer, knowing how these writers are, I'd guess it's anyone else but Sawyer. Just way too obvious.

I think it's Ben! I think Kate secretly had a thing for Ben and when they left the island her and Ben formed their own little Dharma Initiative.

This will be a mystery for a while, but I think a couple of things can be surmised:

* Jack knows who *he" is.

* He knows Kate has been in contact with Jack in the past, and put a stop to it. Kate meeting Jack is in defiance to his request, order, whatever.

* There is some friction between Jack and "he", probably over Kate.

The suggestion seems to be it's Sawyer, but somehow I don't think that's the case.

After this season I got the impression that if they were ever to get off the island, Sawyer would look up Cassidy and his daughter, and try to make it work between them. Cassidy did say she loved him, and she had his baby. I don't really see Kate and Sawyer living 'happily ever after' off the island.

After this season I got the impression that if they were ever to get off the island, Sawyer would look up Cassidy and his daughter, and try to make it work between them. Cassidy did say she loved him, and she had his baby. I don't really see Kate and Sawyer living 'happily ever after' off the island.

:doh: I forgot about that! That would be great to see. I still think Sawyer being the one she is talking about is just too obvious.

I'm not certain are ever going to know who "he" is, outside of Kate's love interest who is not fond of Jack and/or Kate's life before the rescue. I am willing to bet money on the fact that Sawyer was in the casket, which both likely and significant because Kate doesn't want anything to do with him and that noone but Jack came to the funeral home to mourn.

My favorite theory so far is that the funeral was Michael's. Neither friend nor family, but he was once. Jack would be grieved by the tragedy that Michael went through on the island. OTOH, I could see why others wouldn't go to the funeral, and Kate's reaction would be about right too, I think.

Yeah, but if it was Michael 's funeral Walt would have attended.

I doubt it's Sawyer. If it's an alternate timeline, it could be Tom (Kate's childhood sweetheart) or Nathan Fillion's character (sorry, can't remember his name). This could be especially probable since Kate's not in jail and appears to be settled.

I doubt it's Sawyer,considering that if Kate was married to Sawyer, Jack would have contacted him about going back to the island. If Sawyer was the one in the coffin, Kate would have attended. So it could be Tom,Nathan Fillion..or the Marshell.

I think you're right on. The way she said the line made me feel like it was someone she was not with by choice

Hmm? if Kate was force to be with someone, it's likely to be the Marshell. Kate would be with him, in order to go free. The Marshell once mention to Kate that she needed to stop running , and that he could help her. I got the impression that the Marshell was in love with Kate. so I can see him making some sort of deal with her.

I also think the he she refered to is her childhood sweetheart.
I think the future they came home to is altered and they know it.
Jack wants to put it back the way it should be and Kate is willing to leave it alone

Interesting. I feel the same way . I think that Jack and Kate might have went by to a different timeline. Maybe that is one of the reason Ben tried to keep everyone on the island?

Jack's dad is dead, pay attention to the dialogue and Jack's dodging of the subject at the pharmacist... Christian is dead, Jack was being sarcastic in the first scene and desperate in the second. I believe that the future flashes were to contrast the island drama. On the island, Jack was all about getting everyone off the island he was so desperate and driven that, without thinking, he was all about NEEDING rescue... The future scenes, however, showed us what that rescue will bring to Jack (and I guess Kate, and whomever was in the coffin...). He was so clouded with the idea of rescue (the theme for all 3 finales thus far if you think about it) that he didnt stop to think of what he actually had to go back to... torn family, dead father, losing Sarah, job that reminds him of both his dad AND failed marriage, etc. Jack didn't have much at all to return to and I bet whatever we will see coming up coupled with all those realizations will make him into the broken man we saw on the flash forwards.... A good ending would be them getting back to the island and setting things right.. .but i don't know if that is under TPTBs design scope. Whatever the case may be, next season is going to definetly be interesting with all that happened and all that we saw...

Another way I thought of looking at this episode was that it was present-day Jack flashing back/remembering/regretting the final events and tribulations he had to go through, all his choices and all the events that occurred, to get home again. When, in fact, he was home all along... he just didn't know it yet (remember Locke's "Destiny" speech to Jack in Season 2, about believing in it ...Jack: "I don't believe in destiny" Locke: "Yes, you do. You just don't know it yet")...
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as for Kate's He... I first thought Sawyer too... but then i rememberd that Sawyer had a kid with Cassidy... and might try to look her up now that he got his "redemption"...

maybe it is a parole officer like some have said?... who knows

Could be "He", who is wondering of her whereabouts, is just her parole officer...
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!!!!! I never thought of that. Hahahahaha, that is too funny!

He is Hurley

How could you be certain of that? Anyway, if another major character dies (with 3 more seasons you have to believe that at least one more major character will die) then Sawyers death takes care of the love triangle. And has anyone else noticed that Sawyer is becoming quite the little murderer? He will pay for "turning to the dark side." And remember that the person in the casket has no friends or family, AND that Jack was shocked that Kate did not go to visit with the deceased. Its Sawyer.


Just because there is three more seasons left doesn't mean that they won't introduce another character that can confuse the dynamic as well. We don't, and won't, know how much time has passed since they got off the island. It could be someone totally new that reminds Kate of her childhood sweetheart for all we know.


This will be a mystery for a while, but I think a couple of things can be surmised:

* Jack knows who *he" is.

* He knows Kate has been in contact with Jack in the past, and put a stop to it. Kate meeting Jack is in defiance to his request, order, whatever.

* There is some friction between Jack and "he", probably over Kate.

The suggestion seems to be it's Sawyer, but somehow I don't think that's the case.


I know you are discussing who "HE" is but I thought that I would add something about the funeral parlor.

*Jack says that whoever is in the casket is neither friend nor family.

There have been some times on island where Jack and Sawyer have gotten along. I can't imagine with everything that people on the island have gone through that if they all got off that they wouldn't keep in touch.

I think that "he" is not someone we know. I think "he" is someone who keeps tabs on Kate. I do not think the losties are allowed to have contact with each other. Kate and Jack met and secret and Jack said he was tired of lying.

I think that the island and the experiences on it have been covered up. I think Locke, Rousseo (sp?), and the others are still on the island. Whomever rescued the losties is doing something on the island that could effect all of humanity and Jack knows he has to get back to the island to fix his mistake.

I think the "HE" is Kate's step-father/father. Much like Desmond, Jack and Kate have been forced to go back into time, only they must change events so that they don't get on the plane, unlike Desmond who had to do everything exactly the same.

Jack's father isn't dead anymore, and he was the reason that Jack got on the plane. Kate got on the plane because she was a fugative; and now she isn't a fugitive. Time had been changed so that she never kills her father, but continues living with him and her mother.



But this doesn't explain the Golden Pass.....some kind of non-linear time where they are rescued, and then forced to go back in time?

I really believe "he" is her son.

K this has flaws in it, cause we not sure how far into the future the ff scenes were and not sure how long it takes Jack/Kate and whoever else to get off the island.

But imo, I think that because rescue is probably what a week away from the losties? They are saved or threatened, taken home, or whatever, this would only be easily within the 2 - 3 month period. Jack would be feeling the guilt instantly, and the fact that people were coming up to Jack in his ff's saying things along the lines of 'you are the hero...' (assuming they know he's done something from the island, or thus the reason why Jacks "I'm sick of lying") it would still be pretty recent since they were saved. And for Kate's child to have been born in this time period and grown to wonder where it's mother is, is pretty unbelievable :smile1: Thus, I don't think it's her child.

I still think it's someone in power, that's part of Naomi's group that has made Jack/Kate lie about their way off the island, and has got some control over Kate (possibly to protect her from her past; jail).

K this has flaws in it, cause we not sure how far into the future the ff scenes were and not sure how long it takes Jack/Kate and whoever else to get off the island. We know from the newspaper that it was in April 2007 :)

I think the "he" was Sawyer, but then TPTB always like to trick us with little throwaway lines. I also think that the funeral was Locke's or even Michael's, and nobody came as he didn't rescue them.

We know from the newspaper that it was in April 2007 :)
Ah thank you. They left in 04 yeah? So that kinda negates my last post then :smile1:

I also think that "he" is someone we don't know. The idea of it being Sawyer and the suggestion that she could be pregnant is a red herring so we'll be shocked when the truth is revealed.

I really believe "he" is her son.

i totally agree!

I think it can't be her son, 'cause you won't say it about a 1-1,5 year old baby: "He will be wondering where I am". Sounds really weird. And I think if she spoke about her baby, Jack would ask how is he, it seems in his character.

I'm pretty sure it's not Sawyer either, for many reasons, but mainly because I have a feeling that the "losties" (if someone else survived) do not keep in touch with each other. Maybe they are not allowed to, remember, Jack and Kate meet secretly.

I think she is with someone we don't know, someone she met after being rescued.

I think some if not most of the losties were left on the island. That would account for Jack's guilt. I also think the funeral was for Michael. I wonder if Jack had contacted him because he & Walt made it back (or at least Michael did) and Jack thought Michael could lead him back to the island. I thought the obit mentioned a teenage son which Walt would be in 2007. The fact that the dead person's name began with a J doesnt' rule Michael out if Michael is his middle name. I have some friends who go by their middle name for various reasons. If Walt and Michael were estranged for some reason maybe he refused to go to the funeral. Even Hurley wouldn't attend Michael's funeral after he killed Libby and betrayed all of them. I don't think Kate is with Sawyer. I wonder if Sawyer & Juliet are still on the island. I noticed at the end that all the "couples" were separated. Jin & Sun; Rose & Benard; Sawyer & Kate; Charlie & Claire ( I know Charlie didn't live but Claire doesn't know this yet) and Jack & Juliet. Sayid, Desmond, Locke & Hurley were also apart from the main group. Also the flash forward was only from Jack's perspective not Kate's. Considering the pills and alcohol Jack is downing, I don't think his fathe ris alive; I think Jack keeps mixing things up in his mind. However, I'm always wrong when it comes to Lost!!

I think that Kate IS with Sawyer. Think about it- who better to be with? They both change their identities, change their ways, and settle down together. Obviously she's not running anymore...it didn't take her long to get to Jack. I don't think she said it, like the resented it...but like it was really awkward. That would be a REALLY awkward thing to tell Jack, I think.

I think the person in the casket was Locke. Maybe...Juliet? I don't know. I thought Sawyer at first, too...but yeah...I think at least Cassidy and clementine would be there.

Okay, I've had a few days to give this "he" reference a lot of thought about all the men in her life...

A son? No. Even if she was pregnant on the island and had a boy, he'd be barely 2 years old -- too young to "be wondering where I am". Sure, a 2-year-old can miss their mom, but they don't sit around and think "Now where the heck is she? She should have been home by now".

Sawyer? No. He would probably be in on any secret meetings about the island. I also don't think Kate would refer to him as "he" to Jack. That seems a bit too detached for someone they both know so well.

Sam Austen? No. I can't come up with any scenario where she would be living with him. She didn't live with him before, so why now? I can't see him deciding to hide her from the police, but he wouldn't get that opportunity anyway. Kate Austen was known to be on 815 and she had a mugshot. Fake passport or not, the authorities would figure it out pretty quickly.

The Marshal? No. I've heard suggestions that the Marshal could be making her stay with him in exchange for her freedom and, first of all, I don't buy that. Kate would sooner go back on the run than shack up with him. Even if she agreed to some sort of setup like, she'd take off soon after anyway. Here's the real reason it can't be the Marshal: If Kate were still a fugitive for killing Wayne, then the Marshal would have died on the island. If she didn't kill Wayne, then the Marshal wouldn't even know Kate.

A powerful man related to Dharma/Widmore/island? No. Kate has a history of using other people, not letting them use her. The only exception to this that we've ever seen is when she pleaded with Jack to operate on Ben. But that was to save Sawyer's life. And I think the idea that she'd let someone lock her into a situation like that just isn't believable. She would be trying to find a way out of that situation, not acting so settled.

Wayne? Possible. If Jack's dad might be alive again, Kate's dad could be too. And if the altered future means she's not in jail or on the run, then maybe it's because the one event that started her on that path (killing Wayne) never happened. Wayne's pathetic life could have fallen apart after Kate's mother died and now she feels an obligation to take care of him. I know the idea of Wayne being alive sort of contradicts my belief that the Marshal is dead since he wouldn't have been on the plane had Kate not killed Wayne, but that little paradox is just going to have to sit there for a while.

Kevin (her cop husband)? Possible. However, she only met Kevin because she was on the run. And like the Marshal scenario... if her father is still alive (which I believe), then she never would been on the run in Florida and never would have met Kevin.


My Pick... Kate's childhood sweetheart, Tom

If her Volvo is an indication that she's settled down (married? with kids?), then Tom seems the most likely "he". He's someone she knew and loved from way back, before she ever even went on the run. And we know from their time-capsule tape that he envisioned them as a couple in the future. Knowing Kate and Jack's history of longing for each other on the island (and Jack's pre-rescue "I love you"), mentioning Tom's name could be awkward, if not painful when talking to Jack. And she probably wouldn't tell Tom when she had these secret meetings with Jack.

Of all the things Kate did, Tom's death was the only thing she ever seemed to regret. Look at the lengths she went to to retrieve his toy plane from the bank. And when she talked about the toy plane on the island, she said "it belonged to the man I love". If there was one thing in her past that she could erase, it would be Tom's death. Despite all that, Kate didn't look happy, just settled and perhaps content. Maybe Kate still loves Jack (I believe she did on the island). But if she were dropped back into an off-island life where she's with Tom, I don't think she could turn away from that, even for Jack.

So I think Kate's altered life is one in which she never killed Wayne, which changed her path so that she ended up with Tom. The biggest problem with my theory is that Kate and Tom were from Iowa. But an altered life could certainly include a move to California!

Why is everyone automatically assuming "him" to be Sawyer. Kate could actually be shacking up with some random rich guy. But if that's not the case and Kate is with in the flash-forward, but that's almost too obvious. The TPTB probably want the viewers to think it's Sawyer.

Jack and Kate seem to have met at the end of the runway before, at night. Kate hopped out of a brand new Volvo and she's apparently under some guy's thumb. She's being 'kept' by someone maybe. She somehow got off the boat ducking charges. She never answers her phone. She sneaks away from some man to meet Jack. She's driving a high priced vehicle. Last time she was running from the law she didnt even have a vehicle. Seems like they just got rescued recently, but she's already set. It sort of seems like Kate is indebted to a man in some way. Jack is not a hero but a suicidal drug addict. Kate "seems" to be doing well on, but instead of being a strong independent outlaw, she seems to be kind of whipped by the man in her life.

One more thing, in this flashforward Jack has taken the same route as his dad(alcoholic). Kate could have put herself in the same situation as her mom(relationship with abusive man). Maybe that's why Jack wants back on island, and because they left the island the wrong way or as Locke would say, you aren't supposed to do this Jack, the reprecussions are that on the mainland they are pretty much screwed up. So in other words, Jack wants to set things straight.

[qquote]as for Kate's He... I first thought Sawyer too... but then i rememberd that Sawyer had a kid with Cassidy... and might try to look her up now that he got his "redemption"...

maybe it is a parole officer like some have said?... who knows[/quote]

True. If it was Sawyer, Jack would have contact Sawyer along with Kate. If it was Sawyer in the coffin, I believe that Cassidy would had attended his funeral, only for the sake of his daughter. So I think he might be the Marshell, or one of Kate former boyfriend. I think it might be the Marshell, because Kate is not in jail, so she might have made some type of deal.

Jack says that whoever is in the casket is neither friend nor family.

There have been some times on island where Jack and Sawyer have gotten along. I can't imagine with everything that people on the island have gone through that if they all got off that they wouldn't keep in touch.

True again. Jack do consider all the survivor of flight 815 a friend. So I really couldn't see it being any of them , unless it's Michael. the obit said that the person is survivor by one Son. Since Michael is the only one that we know have a Son, than it might be Michael.

But when Jack was talking to Kate, it seem like only Jack and Kate might have gotten off he island. I do not believe that anyone else got off the island, and that is why Jack wants to go back so bad, and it would explain why he needed to go to Michael's funeral. If Michael had made it off the island, and did not attempt to rescue them, Kate would be appalled, and likely would not want to attend his funeral, while Jack would identify with Micheal, considering he wants to go back and rescue the others, but can't find the island. So he would feel sorry for Michael.

I wanted to comment about the Cassidy and Sawyer thing earlier. I think it's possible James would look up Cassidy but even if he did (remember that he didn't want little Clementine to know where that money came fron) I don't think there would be any relationship there. I just don't think it would work and she's probably moved on by now.

There are great reasons for it being Sawyer or not being Sawyer. I don't understand how it could be the marshal when he's dead on the island - besides which I can never see Kate hooking up with him. Her child doesn't make sense either unless people are now answering to their children whenever they leave the house. "Mommy has to go out for a while" why would a child need to know where mommy is, especially one so young?? I don't think her old husband, the cop makes sense either - why would he take her back after what she did. Her old flame is dead too...so unless we're talking another timeline which I haven't ruled out none of these make sense. On a different timeline the only one that makes sense is Tom (her old flame) for reasons posted by someone else up there...Her parole officer...after a murder, highly doubt she would be on parole so soon and I can't see her given that much free reign by a parol officer.

I don't have any guesses for who it is, but I really dn't think it's her son. He wouldn't even be 3 years old by then so she wouldn't leave him alone. Getting a sitter to go out to have a 2 minute discussion makes no sense. It was night time so even if she did get a sitter for such a brief meeting, the kid would probably be sleeping. If he wasn't sleeping, she really wasn't gone for long enough that it would be a problem that he was "wondering" where she was. Most people are able to leave their kids with someone else for short periods of time without it being such an issue that it's an excuse to get out of there.

I don't think her old husband, the cop makes sense either - why would he take her back after what she did.
Obsession? Men have a tendency to be that way about her. ;)

I don't really buy the alternate timeline thing. It felt very much like a flashforward on the same timeline. That's why I don't think it's Tom or anyone who's dead.

It could be someone completely out of left field though - just another guy to help her cover her real identity, like she did with Kevin (the cop hubby.)

It can still be her child. Even if he'd be sleeping right then, Jack doesn't know that. And whoever it is who's wondering where she is, it's just an excuse so it doesn't even have to be the truth.

It would look like Sawyer too, for the fact that Kate and Jack have met at that place before, and it's out of the way enough so they can have an affair and it's quite possible based on our current knowledge that the love triangle could take place off-island. It does look to be a thing of the past though.

...in this flashforward Jack has taken the same route as his dad(alcoholic). Kate could have put herself in the same situation as her mom(relationship with abusive man). Maybe that's why Jack wants back on island, and because they left the island the wrong way or as Locke would say, you aren't supposed to do this Jack, the reprecussions are that on the mainland they are pretty much screwed up. So in other words, Jack wants to set things straight.

Exactly. And who is the person who represents to Kate the same lousy choice that her mother made? Sawyer. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and everyone else left the island before it had made them resolve their "issues", and now they're all paying the price. And Sawyer is Kate's abusive husband.

Sawyer? No. He would probably be in on any secret meetings about the island. I also don't think Kate would refer to him as "he" to Jack. That seems a bit too detached for someone they both know so well.

I think Sawyer is mad at Jack because he keeps calling Kate. From their phone conversation, it's obvious that she had asked him to stop. That's why she has to keep it secret from Sawyer that she's meeting him.

We know from the newspaper that it was in April 2007 :)

Well, we know that they got the newspaper prop from a recent actual paper at the time they were shooting the episode. There was nothing in the episode that I could find to give us any clear signal of what actual date was supposed to be or how long they had been there, except that it was long enough for Jack to grow a beard, go back to work, and fly all over the place hoping to crash on the island again, but not long enough for Jack to meet the new chief of surgury yet. But the fact that he introduced himself as "the new chief of surgury" before he knew who Jack was, indicates to me that there was probably no funky time business, (unless even less time had elapsed in the outside world than on the island) as it had only been a matter of months since Christian died. So it's probably supposed to be 2005.

I think Sawyer is mad at Jack because he keeps calling Kate. From their phone conversation, it's obvious that she had asked him to stop. That's why she has to keep it secret from Sawyer that she's meeting him.

A very good argument. But I'm sticking with mine ;)

Well, we know that they got the newspaper prop from a recent actual paper at the time they were shooting the episode. There was nothing in the episode that I could find to give us any clear signal of what actual date was supposed to be or how long they had been there, except that it was long enough for Jack to grow a beard, go back to work, and fly all over the place hoping to crash on the island again, but not long enough for Jack to meet the new chief of surgury yet. But the fact that he introduced himself as "the new chief of surgury" before he knew who Jack was, indicates to me that there was probably no funky time business, (unless even less time had elapsed in the outside world than on the island) as it had only been a matter of months since Christian died. So it's probably supposed to be 2005.

Agreed about the newspaper. I think people might be making too big of a deal about that. But we do get a time indication from the cell phone Jack's using: Motorola KRZR, which is a very recent model (came out late 2006 I think I've read). I don't think that's a random prop.

And Sawyer is Kate's abusive husband.

Whoa, that's a huuuuuge leap, there's nothing to indicate that Sawyer would be an abuser. In fact, he didn't even grow up with abuse as far as we know. We've seen him in his relationship with Cassidy and again there's no reason to believe he's an abuser in his relationships.

Again I will say that she didn't say it like the "he" was going to hurt her or anything like that. She said it like "I love him and I care how he feels and here I am having a secret meeting with you."

Sawyer would not be meeting with Jack to talk about going back to the island. There's no reason to believe they would keep in touch after the island - they may have a tentative friendship on island but off...I highly doubt it. I could see Sawyer being jealous of Kate running off to meet Jack. So yes it's too obvious that it's Sawyer but I still he is.

I think "he" could be Ben. I think there's some merrit to the theory that the young girl, "annie" (who kate has used before as an alias) that Ben met when he was a boy just arriving at the island, is actually Kate.

I think we're going to find out later that the 815 crash is actually her second trip to the island. Who knows what Ben may be holding over her head to keep her quiet, but I'm sure it was reinforced during their little picnic.

I also think I read in the obituary 'he is survived by his teenaged son' - which leads me to believe the funeral was Michael's.

Whoa, that's a huuuuuge leap, there's nothing to indicate that Sawyer would be an abuser. In fact, he didn't even grow up with abuse as far as we know. We've seen him in his relationship with Cassidy and again there's no reason to believe he's an abuser in his relationships.

Again I will say that she didn't say it like the "he" was going to hurt her or anything like that. She said it like "I love him and I care how he feels and here I am having a secret meeting with you."

Sawyer would not be meeting with Jack to talk about going back to the island. There's no reason to believe they would keep in touch after the island - they may have a tentative friendship on island but off...I highly doubt it. I could see Sawyer being jealous of Kate running off to meet Jack. So yes it's too obvious that it's Sawyer but I still he is.

We've seen no evidence that Sawyer abuses women. Kate's not her mother. She wouldn't be with an abusive man. She suffered too much because of her mother's actions.

Jack's a mess. I don't know anyone, male or female, who would want Jack in their loved one's life. Sawyer would be no different. He's all about protecting Kate. He wouldn't want her to endanger her freedom or life for Jack, even if it were for a supposedly good cause. We've seen that repeatedly on this show. He probably couldn't stop Kate from doing what she wanted to do, but they would fight about it. I could see her wanting to avoid a fight about Jack, probably because they've fought about it in the past.

Not that I'm convinced it is Kate's child, but saying "He'll be wondering where I am" is a quite normal thing for a mother to say about her children. They're not wondering where she is so much as why she isn't here. This is even more likely if the child is still nursing.

Just saying it shouldn't be ruled out on that score.

We've seen no evidence that Sawyer abuses women.

Besides abusing women emotionally, I agree with you. :)

Jack's a mess. I don't know anyone, male or female, who would want Jack in their loved one's life.

That is such a wrong thing to say on so many levels. :rolleyes: There are tons of people in the world who are struggling with issues such as drugs, suicide and depression and they shouldn't be looked down upon for seeking help. Jack is her friend and if Sawyer wouldn't want Kate helping a friend (and I don't think he does) then he is more of a jacka** than I originally thought.

Sawyer would be no different. He's all about protecting Kate.

LOL, Sawyer cares so much about protecting Kate and has done such a good job of it so far. :rolleyes:

He wouldn't want her to endanger her freedom or life for Jack,

You mean like all of the times she did while on the island? He didn't seem to have a problem with it all of those times.

He probably couldn't stop Kate from doing what she wanted to do,

And he shouldn't because there is such a thing as free will. :)

I would hope Kate wouldn't be dumb enough to be with Sawyer off of the island after they get rescued, but stranger things have happened. :) I'm hoping the he is someone else. Anyone else would do just fine. :cool:

Kate moved in with the Cobra :eek:

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ps: @Krystal : I think you're in love with Sawyer :cool:

I have a feeling that "he who will be wondering" is Sawyer.

Maybe "he" isn't part of her personal life at all. Maybe she's on her meal break from her job as a barmaid. That would account for the makeup. :biggrin:

Maybe "he" isn't part of her personal life at all. Maybe she's on her meal break from her job as a barmaid. That would account for the makeup. :biggrin:
Haha, hell yeah, I'm on board. :laughing:


If it was Sawyer why would Jack and Kate have to meet in private, surely Jack would contact Sawyer too? I know they're probably not on the best of terms, those two guys, but I highly doubt Sawyer would get to the point where we would forbid Kate from seeing Jack, or to the point where he wouldn't go to the funeral of someone he knew on the island, or prevent Kate from going (cause it seemed to me, that Kate's "why would I go" was a forced "you know I can't leave or do anything like that, so why even bother thinking I can?!"), which I doubt Sawyer would impose on Kate, let alone Kate let him do so.

Then I started thinking if Sawyer and Kate were on the run it would make sense that Sawyer wouldn't want Kate out in the open to protect Kate, and keep contact down with people (aka Jack) to minimize detection. Cause imo when Kate answered the phone from Jacks call at the end, it sounded like her voice was put through a filter? Her voice sounded deep.
Anyway, what threw me off was Jacks mentioning "the golden pass that they gave us", if that meant Kate as well then perhaps she's not being recognized as a fugitive? Surely Oceanic would check that up before they hand out golden passes?

So to sum up :smile1: I doubt it's Sawyer unless he's on the run with Kate, which makes sense except for the golden pass bit, and the fact that they didn't get caught when they arrived back on the mainland.

i think the "he" is either her child or Kate's stepfather, the army general

There are great reasons for it being Sawyer or not being Sawyer. I don't understand how it could be the marshal when he's dead on the island - besides which I can never see Kate hooking up with him. Her child doesn't make sense either unless people are now answering to their children whenever they leave the house. "Mommy has to go out for a while" why would a child need to know where mommy is, especially one so young??


While I wouldn't rule Sawyer out, I would not exactly say it's sawyer. Jack would have been in contact with Sawyer and Kate. I do not think he would just contact Kate. I was thinking it the Marshell, if Kate and Jack did not return to their original timeline than , it's possible that the Marshell would be alive, along with Jack father. (only if the timeline has change). Kate would mary the Marshell to avoid going to jail. The Marshell did offer Kate an chance to stop running.

On the telephone - the hello didn't sound like Kate at all but I don't see why a filter would be used...it sounded like Sara to me and I have rewatched it.

Ah Krystal, my nemesis... :biggrin: I mean that in a friendly way of course...heehee

We've seen no evidence that Sawyer abuses women.

Besides abusing women emotionally, I agree with you.

I thought I originally posted that...maybe you quoted a quote or something...anyway I know you're going to say that the "let's hope your not" in reference to Kate being pregnant would be an example of this. I have to disagree because I'm sure that Sawyer knows by now that women on the island that get pregnant die...as for his relationships off island - well he was a con man and the women he was with were cheating on their husbands and we didn't see him abusing any of them. He conned Cassidy but I don't think you could call that an abusive relationship.

LOL, Sawyer cares so much about protecting Kate and has done such a good job of it so far.

So how hasn't he...??

He wouldn't want her to endanger her freedom or life for Jack,

You mean like all of the times she did while on the island? He didn't seem to have a problem with it all of those times.

He did have a problem with it but obviously he can't stop her...

He probably couldn't stop Kate from doing what she wanted to do,
And he shouldn't because there is such a thing as free will.

He didn't, hence my post above...

I would hope Kate wouldn't be dumb enough to be with Sawyer off of the island after they get rescued, but stranger things have happened. I'm hoping the he is someone else. Anyone else would do just fine.

Just because you feel this way about him doesn't mean everyone does, especially Kate. Why is it you feel this way about James but not Kate...she is also a murderer if I recall correctly - she is the one that shot that other in the leg without blinking. She hasn't really hesitated to kill others either. I know you're going to say because of his actions towards others but what about what Kate has done to othere. You could say her motivations are more pure but James does what he does to keep people away from him, he thinks that by hurting them they will stay away and therefore not get hurt further by being close to him. This is part of his self loathing.

I know I said I would leave it at our last postings in the other thread but I couldn't help myself. :biggrin:

everyone speculating that 'he' could be the child of sawyer and kate. If she got pregnant on island she would be dead, therefore she wasnt pregnant on the island and the 'he' is not her child.

everyone speculating that 'he' could be the child of sawyer and kate. If she got pregnant on island she would be dead, therefore she wasnt pregnant on the island and the 'he' is not her child.

You seem to be forgetting the obvious fact that she does eventually get rescued. Provided she got rescued prior to reaching her second trimester, there is no reason to believe that a pregancy would be fatal.

everyone speculating that 'he' could be the child of sawyer and kate. If she got pregnant on island she would be dead, therefore she wasnt pregnant on the island and the 'he' is not her child.

As long as she's rescued before the second trimester then her pregnancy isnt' fatal. We do know at some point she is rescued, so she either isn't pregnant or she's rescued before that important deadline

deadline

deadline... *chuckle* :59:

Or it's not really Kate... :biggrin:

But Juliet pinpointed the pregnancy problem as occurring at conception, so we don't really know if taking a pregnant woman off the island before the fatal trimester would save her. There's a possibility she might die anyway.

I think it'd be cool if "he" turned out to be Kevin the policeman that Kate married, and if it was revealed that he was involved with Dharma/Hanso/Widmore etc. I always wondered if he knew the truth about Kate all along, just because it's a tad hard to swallow that she would let herself get involved with a policeman while she was on the run, and he wouldn't find out about her during their whole courtship, engagement, etc. Also, it would be cool to see Nathan Fillion back. However, if it is him I would expect Kate to be wearing the locket that we saw Kevin's mom give her in "I Do," and I'm pretty sure we didn't.

But Juliet pinpointed the pregnancy problem as occurring at conception, so we don't really know if taking a pregnant woman off the island before the fatal trimester would save her. There's a possibility she might die anyway.

Or get hit by a buses with Apollo Bar ads. Those are big what-if's.

I think "he" is Sawyer. An emotionally ravaged, and very Dark Side Sawyer. Kind of like the guy we saw shoot Tom on the beach in the finale. That's what I'll think until I see different.

I think she and her step dad Sam Austen (the Army Ranger, not the drunk.) are living together .

At least that's my theory.

I think shes refering to Ben.

You dont forget that Sawyer have another daughter ?

You dont forget that Sawyer have another daughter ?

What has that got to do with anything?

The way Kate said "why would i go" (along those lines anyways) with venom in her voice, this person really had to do a number on her. Which is why i think the person in the coffin is Saywer. Yes they may have a 'weird kind of love' going on now, but the way in which Sawyer is dealing with Kate's possible pregnancy isnt great.

Now we also have to remember that everywhere Jack went he was called a Hero "twice over" refering to the plane crash and him rescueing that woman. So obviously this is highly publicised, so this is why im thinking that Kate's ex husband is the person she is living with,

a-come-back-all-is-forgiven-scenario going on there. It was the only time she had some sort of stability in her life.

Has anybody thought that Kate is referring to her "handler" the Hanso (or other organization) employee asigned to watch her 24/7?

She slipped out from her handler's watch and needs to get back to her house before they notice her missing.

Kate is a fugutive, and probably has a child, so she would have a lot to lose by going back to prison.

For all we know "he" is "him"................ (cue mysterious music)

The way Kate said "why would i go" (along those lines anyways) with venom in her voice, this person really had to do a number on her. Which is why i think the person in the coffin is Saywer. Yes they may have a 'weird kind of love' going on now, but the way in which Sawyer is dealing with Kate's possible pregnancy isnt great.

Wait, don't pregnant women die on this island...wouldn't he know that by now??

But Juliet pinpointed the pregnancy problem as occurring at conception, so we don't really know if taking a pregnant woman off the island before the fatal trimester would save her. There's a possibility she might die anyway.


Personally , I think Juliet have only tested the others. I think the others are the only one who die in child birth. I do not think that will happen to Kate and Sun. I think because the others might be ageless like Richard, that they might not be real...aka "human." If the others are like Richard ( ageless) ,they might have been created by Dharma,. which would explain why they can not have kids. They weren't made to be able to have kids.

I think Kate might be referring to her husband, the Marshell. The reason why I believe it's the Marshell is because Kate is not in jail. I know most people believe that the Marshell is dead, but if Jack's dad is alive, than it's likely that the Marshell is too. I think a lot of people would like to believe that Kate was referring to Sawyer. But if Sawyer had made it off the island, along with Kate and Jack,. Jack would have called Sawyer, when he called Kate,and Sawyer would have been there with them. I think Jack and Kate return, but they return to a different timeline.

I think you're on the right track, but it could also be her police officer husband. He could have transferred to the LAPD or one of the surrounding 'burbs. They are still legally married, eventhough she left him. Damon and Carlton have unequivocally stated that those who die on the island stay dead, so I'm disinclined to believe it's the US Marshall.

What if the converse was true, that those who died off of the Island had the possibility of being still alive??

What if the Island "box" was Nexus of Universes, where there is a Multiple of Universes, where Jack's Dad didn't die in Sidney, that Kate Didn't kill her Step dad and that flight 815 really did crash in the ocean (maybe off Bali because someone on board had hijacked it and was headed towards the Middle East).

The Oz Referance, with the Man Behind the curtain, with Jakob's "rescue" and the Rescue of the Lostways, giving them their supposed desires as payment. Like the Wizard does for the Scarecrow, et al. But in Jack's (and whoever was in the Coffin's) cases, that wasn't what they had really wanted.

Or, Maybe Jack wanted to be sure that Kate would be free (and happy), but that would also require his father to still be alive (in those sets of Universes). Then, he couldn't deal with that reality. He just couldn't get rid of his father messing up his life, after all he had been though on the Island.

Hey, it's a thought...

E_T

i personally think the funeral was michaels. which is why no one showed up. i mean this may sound sexist, but it seemed to be in a black neighborhood.

when dealing with sex (male or female), it's sexist; when dealing with race, it's racist. just f.y.i.

What if the converse was true, that those who died off of the Island had the possibility of being still alive??

What if the Island "box" was Nexus of Universes, where there is a Multiple of Universes, where Jack's Dad didn't die in Sidney, that Kate Didn't kill her Step dad and that flight 815 really did crash in the ocean (maybe off Bali because someone on board had hijacked it and was headed towards the Middle East).

The Oz Referance, with the Man Behind the curtain, with Jakob's "rescue" and the Rescue of the Lostways, giving them their supposed desires as payment. Like the Wizard does for the Scarecrow, et al. But in Jack's (and whoever was in the Coffin's) cases, that wasn't what they had really wanted.

Or, Maybe Jack wanted to be sure that Kate would be free (and happy), but that would also require his father to still be alive (in those sets of Universes). Then, he couldn't deal with that reality. He just couldn't get rid of his father messing up his life, after all he had been though on the Island.

Hey, it's a thought...

I agree with your theory...some what. I think for Jack and Kate, time reset for them. Jack made a lot of references to his father being alive, and I do not think any self respecting doctors would go along with Jack delusion, if he were alive. They likely would have corrected Jack, and reminded him that his father was dead, and tell him to seek help. If Jack was only delusional, I do not think they would allow Jack to work at the hospital...(Note: While we have seen Jack at the hospital, we have not seen him do any work. So maybe he really do not work there anymore. So I think maybe Jack and Kate is not in there right timeline. In this timeline Jack father is still alive, but he is no longer chief of staff/surgery, but that is because Jack reported him for drinking at work. Jack's wife Sarah is pregnant with another man 's child. In the "The hunting party", Sarah tells Jack that she thinks she might be pregnant,and than later on that very same evening, she tells Jack that she is leaving him. So Jack might have been transported back to the time before the crash, right after his father step down, and right after Sarah left him for someone else.

i personally think the funeral was michaels. which is why no one showed up. i mean this may sound sexist, but it seemed to be in a black neighborhood.

I think it's Michael too. Jack would not consider Michael a friend , after he left them all to die, and never sent help. Jack would expect Kate to go to the funeral , because Michael was once a friend. Jack would also be very upset about Michael's death if he felt that Michael was his last chance of getting back to the island, considering that Michael came back on a boat, so it would seem like he might remember how to get back. ( Re: By retracing the steps he took to get off the island.)

The real reason why I think it's Micheal:
Michael was the only one flight 815 survivor who lived in New York, and the only one who had a son who would be consider a teenager. In the news blootter/orbit , it was stated that the guy in the coffin was from New York, and had a teenage son...which to me, pretty much points to Michael...unless Richard , Ben or Locke had a son.It's Michael.

I'm thinking kate has been court again and he is the marshall

I'm thinking kate has been court again and he is the marshall

If Jack's father is alive in this timeline, than the Marshall will be to. The Marshell seem to have been in love with Kate, and might have been willing to work out something with her. The Marshell tell Jack not to trust Kate, and talks about how she gets to people, and uses people. So it's likely they had a more personal relationship.

Maybe the "He" Kate is referring to is her husband, Kevin, the cop???

i personally think the funeral was michaels. which is why no one showed up. i mean this may sound sexist, but it seemed to be in a black neighborhood.

What does a black neighborhood have to do with being sexist?
Do you think black people are sexier than white people?

I think that "HE" is Sawyer.

But i ask: How Kate and James Ford are not in jail, once they're outlaws back to the outside world? Having said that, I already have an answer regarding that in mind (hehe): whoever/whatever that brought them back must have set an agreement with them, giving them a new life in exchange for total secrecy about what they lived on the island...

I've been considering this for a while, and 'He" has to be her first boyfriend, whom she caused the death of. I really think up is down, black is white, and alive is dead in this timeline. I think Kate never killed her boyfriend by accident, because she never became a fugitive. Blah.

Now we also have to remember that everywhere Jack went he was called a Hero "twice over" refering to the plane crash and him rescueing that woman. So obviously this is highly publicised, so this is why im thinking that Kate's ex husband is the person she is living with,

I always thought that "Twice Over" just meant the fact that he 1) Saved the woman and child from the Carcrash and 2) He operated her and "fixed" her. He wasn't implying that the plane crash was part of that. It would be to big to place under the same catagory as saving a woman. He would've named it seperatly.