Anyone else think the accident victims may have been Rachel and her son? The woman in the hospital looked like her a bit, to me.


DLKD-

maybe! good idea!

That would be a really cool twist. But does that mean that Juliet doesn't make it off the island? Either way, I suppose that she doesn't appear to be in Jack's future. She probably is still on the island.

I thought it was Sawyer's old girlfriend....or did she have a daughter? Can't remember if it was mentioned in past episodes.

That would be a really cool twist. But does that mean that Juliet doesn't make it off the island? Either way, I suppose that she doesn't appear to be in Jack's future. She probably is still on the island.

Jack may not know Juliet has a sister. I'd definitely think the implications of that would be that he and Juliet no longer have any contact.

If some diabolical force has indeed overrun the island, they may be holding all of the former Others.


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I thought it was Sawyer's old girlfriend....or did she have a daughter? Can't remember if it was mentioned in past episodes.

She had a daughter: Clementine.


DLKD-

why was she driving an 8 yr old boy around at 2:00am? that seemed odd. he should be asleep.

Could it have been Aaron and Claire?

I thought it was Aaron and Claire also...

Definitely not Aaron and Claire, Jack would know. The show currently takes place in 2004 and the flash-forward seems to be from present day. The boy appeared 8(?) so he would be 4 or 5 so Juliette's sister and her son could be a possibility.

Jack wouldn't necessarily know about it, it could be a passing incident like Jack's wife coming into the hospital at the same time as Shannon's dad.

did the Doctor say the woman's name?

Definitely not Aaron and Claire, Jack would know. The show currently takes place in 2004 and the flash-forward seems to be from present day. The boy appeared 8(?) so he would be 4 or 5 so Juliette's sister and her son could be a possibility.

Jack wouldn't necessarily know about it, it could be a passing incident like Jack's wife coming into the hospital at the same time as Shannon's dad.

I didn't know it was just a passing incident and that they just came into the hospital at the same time. I thought they had been in the same crash.

I also thought that they mentioned her name when the doctor told Jack that she had recounted the true story of her crash.

I think the tv newscaster said she was a 40 yr. old woman with an eight year old son. Could be Rachel and her son if the 2007 date is accurate.

The doctor (Mike from Las Vegas!) did say the woman's last name. Hopefully someone checks this thread and gets the appropriate information in here. My first thoughts were that the lady was indeed Juliet's sister and that the son was the miracle nephew shown to Juliet in The Flame hatch on those live feed videos.

The new chief of staff calls her Mrs. Arlen. It might have been Arland.

I thought it was Juliet's sister the moment her face was shown. It looked a lot like her. And the fact that she was with a kid would add to that debate. But now that some mention Claire, it could be. I've seen car accident victims up close before, and it could've been Claire with a swollen face. If it was Claire, I'm sure the writers were keep as little info as possible so it wouldn't have been obvious that it wasn't a flashback.

Well, according to lostpedia, the name of Juliet's sister is Rachel Carlson and the son's name is Julian. I'd love to either hear a clip of the doctor saying her name or see a transcript setting forth the name....

I had the same thought the second I saw her.

I have rewatched the scene several times now. Jack says he came to look at the Arland chart, and later the Chief of Surgery talks about Mrs. Arland's condition.

I thought the woman was Sarah at first.

the doctor says Mrs. Arlen/Arland, so it's possible Rachel could have married. It doesn't have to be anyone we've previously met, but Rachel would seem to be the likeliest possibility if it is. The fact that Juliet is not there by her side and taking care of the boy would indicate that something may have happened to her.

Cardie

why was she driving an 8 yr old boy around at 2:00am? that seemed odd. he should be asleep.


Very good question.....

Wasnt juliet's sister from or living in florida at least at the time when juliet was brought to the island and shown the video? If thats the case unless she moved from fla to la i cant imagine it being her, going to rewatch it in a few so hopefully ill be able to get a better look at her.

I was thinking that it was her sister!
She had a young son, and we know that she was pregnant a few years ago when Juliet left.
I really do think it was her :)

I'm voting for Claire and Aaron. We are never sure of the time line on this show. It could have jumped 7 1/2 years in to the future.
Claire could very well be married.

Besides why would Jack care so much, if he didn't know them? Seemed more then he was just the one to pull them out of the car.
Why did he want to operate on her?

I thought it was Juliet's sister (Calamity Jane from "Deadwood") for a sec, but I think it's just a woman. Maybe one we will meet again eventually.

If it is Rachel and her son, it would easily explain why no one would be at Juliet's funeral service.

That's if you think that it's Juliet that was in there

It was Juliet's sister. She has a different last name because she is married and Juliet is not by her side because Juliet was Ben's last victim.

As Jack and his party are getting on the Helicopters, Ben pleads with Juliet to untie him from the tree. (Juliet, Sawyer, and Hurley are at the radio tower now, it didn't take long to get there with the DHARMA van) When Juliet does this he grabs her and a gun and tells Jack to get everyone off the helicopters. When Jack does not comply Ben puts a bullet in Juliet.

It was Juliet's sister. She has a different last name because she is married and Juliet is not by her side because Juliet was Ben's last victim.

As Jack and his party are getting on the Helicopters, Ben pleads with Juliet to untie him from the tree. (Juliet, Sawyer, and Hurley are at the radio tower now, it didn't take long to get there with the DHARMA van) When Juliet does this he grabs her and a gun and tells Jack to get everyone off the helicopters. When Jack does not comply Ben puts a bullet in Juliet.

It's fun to pretend, no?

screencap of the woman plz
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Here is the only shot we get of the woman from the accident:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/3x22-glass0670.jpg

Most defnitley not Claire, but it does look like it could be Juliette's sister. No credit for the actress on Lostpedia so we can't know for sure yet

That screencap definitely rules out Claire. It's quite possible that it is just a random mother/son pair, but who knows?

Although the screencaps of the obit indicate that the deceased is a man, having Juliet's funeral be imminent would explain why Rachel and her kid were barreling through LA (from Miami?) at 2 a.m.

Cardie

I just went through the credits but found noone as "patient". Juliets nephew would be less than three years old, however. I don't thing that the patient's id is relevant, but the event in itself, and how it makes the hospital staff more awate of Jack's critical condition. And now he also has the woman's accident to blame himself for.

me bad, kid would be 6 .

Why does the victim have to be anyone that we've met at all? I didn't see anything in the episode that hinted that it was someone we may have seen before. I just took this as another time when Jack was the "hero" and saved the day- like how he saved Sarah, how he was always the "hero" on the island, and was the one to get the survivors off the island. I think it was less about WHO the woman was and more about Jack needing to fix/save everything, like it has been all his life (from what we've been shown).

I personally do not think that the victim has to be anyone we've met before at all.

I, however, think it would be just as characteristic of the writers (remember this is a Darlton-penned ep) to sneak in the whole "interwoven characters tapestry" theme in their flash forwards as in their flashbacks. And I think having a mystery patient with young son is as perfect an opportunity as any to do so.

BTW: I'm going to have serious L O S T withdrawal until February '08. :frown:

I felt they were trying to show us something the way they held the camera on her swollen face; the odd scene with the little boy & the way they repeated her name a couple of times & showed it on the chart Jack was dropping all around...it made me think at the time they were showing something more than i was getting I definiting felt I was suppose to recognize her........

The audio after the crash is interesting: a child's voice screams "Mom! Mom! Mom," then a woman's voice says what I believe to be the child's name (help me here) - "Allan" or some such. I think there is a clue there.

The audio after the crash is interesting: a child's voice screams "Mom! Mom! Mom," then a woman's voice says what I believe to be the child's name (help me here) - "Allan" or some such. I think there is a clue there.

I just watched that scene again and the woman says "help".

Very cool idea that it could be Juliet's sister. After seeing the screencaps, though, I don't think it is her (Robin Weigert). Too bad...that would have been a great twist.

I still feel it may turn out to be someone we know or will meet elsewhere in the story

Here's something I found odd:

When Jack leaves the hospital he sees the little boy, all bandaged up, sitting in the lobby. He gives Jack a little wave. There are a man and woman there also, but they don't even look up. I first thought they were with the boy and I expected them to jump up and thank Jack; but they didn't. So I assume they had nothing to do with the little boy; he was alone. Why did TPTB make a point of showing that scene?

If the injured woman (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/3x22-glass0670.jpg) is anyone, I think it looks like Cassidy (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cassidy.jpg). I know the last name and the child don't match up, but that can easily be explained (maybe she married a man who had a son).

I think the injured woman looks like neither Cassidy or Juliet's sister, and certainly not Claire. :ohwell: Claire would not have changed so much in seven years that Jack wouldn't recognize her, even swollen and bruised. That's just ludicrous, and I question if anyone who actually thought that even watches this show at all?

Anyway, I think it would be a great twist if it was Juliet's sister, but also I think we've grown too accustomed to finding the connections between people in the flashbacks. Flashforwards may not work the same, and it's possible if we see more of that future we might see the injured woman's character become significant. Or, maybe she was just a minor storyline employed to show us how far Jack has fallen.

~ Elo

When first saw her with the bandaged face, I thought of Cassidy... don't know why...

Right after the crash happened, I thought I heard the mom call out "Harold"?

Do we have a screen cap of the boy in hospital to compare with a picture of Juliet's nephew from the video Ben showed her?

The Flash Forward was supposedly April 2007 or at least that's what I've read. Juliet's nephew would be 5 or 6 years old, not 8 and they lived in Florida, not California.

I think the point of showing Jack watching the woman in the bed was to show us the similarities of the younger Jack looking over a chart with Sarah lying in the same bed with similar injuries, which is why he wanted to do the surgery. He is desperately seeking a way back, looking for a sign, anything that will help him get back.

The scene with the boy was to emphasize Jack's shame, that he doesn't feel like a hero and that he was uncomfortable with the boy idoloizing him from across the room.

I think the woman and the boy were just two random victims that played a significant role in Jack making his way back from his downward spiral. They stopped him from killing himself and brought out his natural instincts to help and protect. While we got to witness him at his worst I believe that we also witnessed the beginning of his journey back from addiction.

If the injured woman (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/3x22-glass0670.jpg) is anyone, I think it looks like Cassidy (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cassidy.jpg). I know the last name and the child don't match up, but that can easily be explained (maybe she married a man who had a son).

Everybody always looks like Cassidy to someone.

At first I thought it could be Juliet's sister, but not for any particular reason. But it isn't.

The Flash Forward was supposedly April 2007 or at least that's what I've read. Juliet's nephew would be 5 or 6 years old, not 8 and they lived in Florida, not California.

I think the point of showing Jack watching the woman in the bed was to show us the similarities of the younger Jack looking over a chart with Sarah lying in the same bed with similar injuries, which is why he wanted to do the surgery. He is desperately seeking a way back, looking for a sign, anything that will help him get back.

The scene with the boy was to emphasize Jack's shame, that he doesn't feel like a hero and that he was uncomfortable with the boy idoloizing him from across the room.

I think the woman and the boy were just two random victims that played a significant role in Jack making his way back from his downward spiral. They stopped him from killing himself and brought out his natural instincts to help and protect. While we got to witness him at his worst I believe that we also witnessed the beginning of his journey back from addiction.
An excellent post to sum up this whole discussion.

I'm voting for Claire and Aaron. We are never sure of the time line on this show. It could have jumped 7 1/2 years in to the future.
Claire could very well be married.

I read in multiple blogs that the date on the obituary was April 2007. Can anyone else verify that?

I think it was Juliet's sister and son. Jack does not know them of course, but the accident may have been caused by him. I mean, its 2am and he's about to kill himself and then the accident with a Lostie connection. Maybe Jack is sort of cursed and people connected to him through the island are dying or having bad stuff happen, like Hurley's bad luck before he went to the island (meteorite, fire, etc). This curse is what is driving Jack mad as it drove Hurley crazy (bad numbers ... bad numbers)

Besides why would Jack care so much, if he didn't know them? Seemed more then he was just the one to pull them out of the car.
Why did he want to operate on her?

Ah! I think its because the situation is exactly the situation Jack had before, with the woman he eventually married. A car accident victim with a spinal injury. Jack wanted to operate because he was trying to do the things he did before he ended up on the plane that crashed on the island. He very much wants to get back to the island. He may know that the only way to get back is to do the things he did before: Operate and save a spinal injured woman, get divorced, etc. That is why he keeps getting on the planes and flying to locations over the Pacific. This also makes me wonder if the Phuket flash back of Jack's (tatoos by a skinny woman) was actually a flash forward, with Jack trying to perform a series of events that will land him on the island.

In any event, the question should be why Jack so desperately wants to get back on the island. I don't think we have enough information to determine that yet other than he believes he can make a huge change in something. And who is to say that he won't eventually get there. The flash forward we saw may not be the end of the series.

IThe flash forward we saw may not be the end of the series.

I think we all can safely assume the flash forward we saw is not the end of the series. There will be more beyond that point or perhaps the alternate time/reality theories will be true and different things will come to pass based on events that haven't been shown on screen yet. But the show won't end with Jack and Kate at the airport by the runway discussing the funeral.

Yeah, I dont see why it has to be anyone we know either. Sure, one of the unique elements of the show is unexpected character connections, but at every turn it would get a bit redundant. By moneys on nobody in particular.