I guess the show can't be the losties against the others anymore, can it? They are becoming extinct.

No no! There are still those two old folks that we saw in the season pilot!

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rock on
bring it grandma!

We still have Richard and his group who went to the temple. Don't know how many or who they were, but there are still some left.

They really killed off some big name Others. Here's who's left: Ben, Alpert, Cindy, and some background Others. They killed so many of them that I can't help but think they are setting us up for an Others-Losties teaming up party. Perhaps they will join the fight against Naomi's crew, who I get the feeling are bad news?

Richard, and about 15 extras. yay!

Yeah, that will be it, the boaties are coming! A new battle has begun. Hope I like it. The others were likeable to me. Don't want to see them all go.

It would be really interesting to see how some of our survivors react to the history of the Island, Jacob, etc.

Exactly. The season of the Others is over. Darlton had said that they were gonna wrap it up, and, indeed, they did!

Richard's the chiefest one left. He is going to be far more willing to work with the losties than Ben ever was. This is good. Now, if we can just borrow Nestor Carbonelli from CBS for a couple of guest shots. . . .

But the era of Others-as-threat is done, yes.

I want to know what happened to the woman that was in Jack's last flashback episode- the woman who commented on his tattoos? What was the deal with her and why haven't we seen her again?

I hope we dont see her again!

I guess the show can't be the losties against the others anymore, can it? They are becoming extinct.

I think that the battle is going to be between the Losties and Naomi's crew now. Ben, Richard and whoever is left, will gang up and take on whoever Naomi's people are. I think now the Losties/others are going to shed light (to the viewers) on the powers of the island, and they will use them to battle Naomi's people (Dharma?)

Others Left (that we, I, can remember):

-Ben (who's standing might be questioned)
-Richard
-Judge lady (forget her name)
-Cindy
-2 kids
-Mikhail (until I see him ripped apart or with a bullet in his head, he's still alive with his track record)

Safe to say Alex and Karl have defected.

That's all I can recall

Others Left (that we, I, can remember):

-Ben (who's standing might be questioned)
-Richard
-Judge lady (forget her name)
-Cindy
-2 kids
-Mikhail (until I see him ripped apart or with a bullet in his head, he's still alive with his track record)

Safe to say Alex and Karl have defected.

That's all I can recall

Methinks the era of "This is our island" is comming to a close.

Yeah, and what's the Temple? Is this the temple of the three toed whatevers??

Well folks the most important one of all is still out in that old shack... Jacob!

Unless of course we are to believe that Jacob was just imaginary crazy daisy Ben thing.

I was kinda hoping for some of this to be in the finale. The fact that it was not even mentioned seems to speak to it being in season 4

Yeah.....Richard and um.......Richard?
Crazy old lady?

Yeah, so like Kokobware said...

Only a few have survived, and they are not a threat...

We have...

Ben. - Ben is no longer a threat, we have him and I don't think he'll survive all of season 4.

Richard. - Leader of the natives, probably will work something out with us.

Cindy. - Flight Attendant. Nice woman.

Kids. - They're kids.

I see the rest of the group being either natives or genuine good people. People that were there for a reason- for a purpose, and lost their way because of Ben. Now they our free from their dictatorship, and have no purpose to fight (Those who are alive). I don't think people like Cindy would EVER fight us.

I believe the sheriffs name was Isabel...

Richard's still around. I like him, so I hope we see more of him next year

Kelvin will be waiting for them in the temple

The "Ten Best" Others were killed.

Why wasn't Richard considered among the "ten best"?

The "Ten Best" Others were killed.

Why wasn't Richard considered among the "ten best"?

Ten best seemed like it was referring to fighters or trackers, etc. I think Richard seem to be a little more low key.

There's really no telling how many are left, but I think there are enough of them. A lot of their "soldiers" have been killed though, it seems.

I wonder how many of the "island's original inhabitants" there are left though.

And what is this "temple"?

So many new questions, I love it.

At some point someone said there were 40 of them, and they only killed ten at the beach. I don't see why they're extinct now.

Seeing Ben's despair on that phone call, the Others will gather in that temple (maybe there will be more natives?)and begins to launch a counter-attack on the crew's boat, but i guess that the brand new Other, John Locke, the new chosen of Jacob, will lead this attack. We have plenty extras Others to spare.

I've been thinking for a while now that the whole idea setup for the series is time as cycle thing. The "Hostiles" destroy Dharma and then become Dharma like themselves, the Losties eventually destroy the Others and become Others-like themselves.

Locke certainly seems to be going down this past, and the whole flash forward is leading us to believe the cast is better off on the island anyway, and they will probably become the dominate group there now that they've killed so many of the others.

Ben
Richard
Isabel
Mikhail (maybe)
Cindy
Kids

Other than those it's just a handful of minor Others;
Adam (book club)
Aldo (Brainwashing station guard)
Amelia (old lady in book club)
Luke ( rockpile foreman)
...the only ones featured who're still living.

Others Left (that we, I, can remember):

-Ben (who's standing might be questioned)
-Richard
-Judge lady (forget her name)
-Cindy
-2 kids
-Mikhail (until I see him ripped apart or with a bullet in his head, he's still alive with his track record)

Safe to say Alex and Karl have defected.

That's all I can recall

Mikhail is really dead this time. He was holding the grenade when it went off. No way he'd survive that, especially underwater.
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At some point someone said there were 40 of them, and they only killed ten at the beach. I don't see why they're extinct now.

The 10 that were killed were their strongest and fittest. That leaves them in a very weak state at best, and they are now outnumbered.

Don't forget about Locke - he has to count at least a little bit since he's trying to defend the island.

You are also forgetting Isabel. She seemed pretty important in the episode where Juliette was on trial, and then promptly went to hide with Aldo I guess.

Aldo was the guard outside the place where they were brainwashing Karl. I remembered him from It's always sunny in philadelphia.

I don't understand why you don't even see either one of them walking aorund in the tent area scenes.

I wanna see Aldo again. It's so funny seeing the guy from It's Always Sunny... in a serious role. And the book club! The book club lives on!
Kelvin will be waiting for them in the temple
I think anyone who's seen "Carnivale" is hoping this will happen. :4:

I don't know if the era of the Others is necessarily coming to a close. We still have Jacob, Ben, Richard, Juliet, Alex, Karl, Isabel, Mikhail "Chuck Norris" Bakunin, and any number of other "extras" who could come to the fore. Not to mention The Temple where the Others appear to be going. Their story still has a lot of mileage IMO.

And the book club! The book club lives on!

Yeah, I wonder where they went. I wonder what they think of Juliet now. :biggrin:

I don't know if the era of the Others is necessarily coming to a close. We still have Jacob, Ben, Richard, Juliet, Alex, Karl, Isabel, Mikhail "Chuck Norris" Bakunin, and any number of other "extras" who could come to the fore. Not to mention The Temple where the Others appear to be going. Their story still has a lot of mileage IMO.

I agree, although TPTB did a good job of letting it seem like the Others were almost done. Tom was a high-ranking Other, as was Pryce, and Jason we at least saw a couple times before. The scene where Hurley talks to Jack on the walkie letting him know he saved the 3 Losties, and the look on a beaten Ben's face really had the feel of a team that was defeated.

However, I agree with you that their story still has a lot of mileage. There's still the Others you mention, plus we have to find out why they are going to the Temple and what the Temple actually is, which is a story itself. I still see a merging of the Losties and Others in the near future.

I want to know what happened to the woman that was in Jack's last flashback episode- the woman who commented on his tattoos? What was the deal with her and why haven't we seen her again?

She acted sort of like a priestess. Maybe we'll find her sacrificing children in the temple.

You are also forgetting Isabel. She seemed pretty important in the episode where Juliette was on trial, and then promptly went to hide with Aldo I guess.

Aldo was the guard outside the place where they were brainwashing Karl. I remembered him from It's always sunny in philadelphia.

I don't understand why you don't even see either one of them walking aorund in the tent area scenes.

It's because the actors are busy with other stuff ;)

Let's not forget Juliet's mark. They made a big deal of it and I'm sure it's not history yet.

Well...just as there are "red shirt" Losties...there are "red shirt" Others. Nikki & Paulo stepped up from the background this season...and what did we, "the fans", do? We complained like heck that they were worthless and eating up valuable screen time that should be going to the core Losties...

But folks...the core Losties are a dying breed, too. We lost Eko & Charlie this season...and I have a feeling the Losties death toll is going to grow exponentially in seasons to come. Just as the death toll for The Others will continue to rise...

I just hope that when Neil Frogurt...and Scott...(or Steve, whichever one didn't die already)...or any more red shirt Losties step forward to command our attention next season...we cut them a lil slack and not chop their heads off because we aren't getting to see where Locke wandered off to.

Expose validated Nikki & Paulo's "intrusion" into the Lost storyline...THEY found the first hatch...long before "destiny-addled" Locke did...they just accidentally step on one...no big mystery...they found it by accident!! The "island" didn't draw them to it in some mysterious fashion...I think THAT was a very telling reveal. That not EVERYTHING that happens on the island has some kind of mystical meaning behind it. We also got a different point of view for a change...with each new character comes this opportunity for the story to expand in new directions....and, dear lord...how they met their eventual demise?....that was just some of the darkest stuff on TV in years.

I guess what I'm saying is...be it a Lostie...or an Other...try to keep an open mind about these newbies who enter the show. TPTB only have 48 more stories to tell...it's not likely they will introduce a new character that is merely there to waste our time.

They WILL prove their worth...eventually. If they annoy you right off the bat...it's probably TPTB intention for them to annoy you.

Remember...Ana Lucia was pretty darn annoying when she stomped into the show...calling all the shots...and accidentally killing a core Lostie in the process...But considering what Michael did to HER...Well...some would say she got what was coming to her...But I'm not one of them...I miss the dynamic she brought to the show.

I think anyone who's seen "Carnivale" is hoping this will happen. :4:

That's funny because i just realized that the hero in carnivale is named Ben hawkins...we have a Ben in lost and "mrs hawkins" lol
I read somewhere else that Jacob (only Ben can see him) is a little like the management in Carnivale (only Sanson could see it)
It's funny too that Desmond who calls everyone "brother" has lived in the hatch with Kelvin (playd by the actor who played brother justin in Carnivale)
Ben had visions in carnivale...
And they were a lot of references to war!
I think lost is making a few references to Carnivale!

I'd love to see the guy who played Sanson (he was also in Twin peaks) in Lost!:biggrin:

I think the best others are still there...too bad we lose Tom...i really hope Mikhail is still alive!
We have Ben and Juliet of course! My two favorites! :biggrin:
And possibly Isabel ...we have to see her again!
Richard is still there too.

They really killed off some big name Others. Here's who's left: Ben, Alpert, Cindy, and some background Others. They killed so many of them that I can't help but think they are setting us up for an Others-Losties teaming up party. Perhaps they will join the fight against Naomi's crew, who I get the feeling are bad news?

Oh Lord, I hope not. that will be the end of LOST.

Richard's the chiefest one left. He is going to be far more willing to work with the losties than Ben ever was. This is good. Now, if we can just borrow Nestor Carbonelli from CBS for a couple of guest shots. . . .
I'm not so sure. I had the impression that Richard was one of the people behind the Purge. I also have the impression that he wants to get rid of Ben. He may use the Losties to that end but I wouldn't consider him trustworthy at all. I agree that Nestor Carbonelli is excellent in the role.

I think that the battle is going to be between the Losties and Naomi's crew now. Ben, Richard and whoever is left, will gang up and take on whoever Naomi's people are. I think now the Losties/others are going to shed light (to the viewers) on the powers of the island, and they will use them to battle Naomi's people (Dharma?)


That's exactly what I think and hope will happen.

Same for me...except that i think guys like Richard are not in Ben's team (he wanted to replace Ben, he was the one who "hired" him)...i think this guy is with the hanso foundation.

IMO, Richard Alpert is the most intriguing Other of them all (besides Jacob I guess). Not only does he have the *immortality* angle going for him, but he also seems to be in tune with a specific purpose (which is why he chastised Ben for his side projects). I hope we get to see more of him, although it seems like NC will be quite busy with other projects.

I want to know what happened to the old woman and the other book-club suburbanites. They seemed untrained physically but all the Others we've seen since then have all been very strong and militant.

I honestly think that Locke will be the one leading the others, and I think Richard will make it happen. You could tell he was getting weary of Ben and him helping Locke by telling him about Sawyer makes me think he could support Locke. ben has let the power of the island go to his head, whereas Locke is a fresh replacement who knows the value of the island.

According to lostpedia, there is:-

Jacob
Ben
Richard
Isabel
Adam
Amelia
Aldo

They class Mikhail as dead but I'm not so sure!

Also with the Others are:-
Cindy
2 Kids

Others who have defected are:-
Alex
Karl
Juliet

Those we know (as far as possible) are dead are:-
Bea Klugh
Colleen
Ivan
Jason
Luke
Matthew
Ethan Rom
Goodwin
Ryan Pryce
Sabine
Danny Pickett
Tom
Diane
Greta
Bonnie

Don't forget, Carlton & Damon have said that there are more than 1 faction of Others so there may well be more to come yet!

Who are jason, Luke,matthew, diane?

Interesting topic. Here are my thoughts:

1- in the original Star Wars trilogy the main bad guy was Darth Vader. The Emperor emerged in the end but that was it. So as long as Lost has it's Darth Vader = Ben and the Emperor = Jacob then all the other others are disposable.

2- Alpert is very intriguing. He does want Ben supplanted as leader IMO for Locke. HOWEVER, once he learns that the new DI is back to reclaim the island I believe the coup will be on hold as people fight a common enemy -- "The enemy of mine enemy is my friend."

3- Locke will eventually lead the others but fighting this new invasion will take top priority next season I think.

You never know when you'll find more Others (a la Mikhail, Greta and Bonnie).

Just as Juliet, Alex and Karl are no longer Others, I don't think Ben is, either. After the disastrous results of his decisions I don't think he'll be welcome back in Otherville. I see him staying with the Lostaways as their prisoner and helping them outwit the new invaders. Sort of like Hannibal Lecter helping Jodie Foster with her project.

Locke IS now an Other.

Just as the word Benry faded from use so will the word others. It's just not really useful anymore moving forward I'm afraid.

I'd love to see the guy who played Sanson (he was also in Twin peaks) in Lost!:biggrin:


I'm not trying to be a jerk I just thought you might want to know: his name is Samson not Sanson. :)
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Also in re to some others Nestor's last name is Carbonell not Carbonelli.

Richard and Isabel will probably play more prominent roles in leading the surviving remnants of The Cult Formerly Known As The Others. Sorry, but Isabel was too delicious of a character never to be seen or heard from again, and I doubt that Diana Scarwid is that high in demand as an actress.

And could Marvin Candle / Mark Wickman be hiding somewhere on the island?

I also agree with those who predict our dear Benry Linus-Gale will become a de facto prisoner of the Losties once again, which would justify Michael Emerson's inclusion in the storyline next season. I can easily picture Benry creepily trying to freak out Sun about the future of her unborn child, or playing mind games with the rest of the Losties.

Rose: "Ben, if you say 'We're the Good Guys' one more time, I'm going to punch you in the face!"

Aldo, Adam, and Amelia could be brought back either for flashbacks or for future scenes, since, as far as we know, they're still alive. There's also the Molotov Woman and the twins from the raft.

We could also still see Tom, Miss Klugh, Mikhail, Pickett, and Colleen (and of course, Ethan and Goodwin) in flashbacks of the surviving Others.

Cindy, Zack, Emma, and the rest of the surviving Tailies are still prisoners, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree that Juliet, Alex, and Karl have now become official Losties (although it's still uncertain whether Blake Bashoff and Tania Raymonde will be officially upgraded to series regular status, to help fill the void left by Charlie, Eko, Nikki, and Paulo).

Maybe Alex and Karl will go double-date with Rose and Bernard, and share semi-regular status with them? Although I do wonder: will Alex go live on the beach with our Losties, or will she move into Danielle's cave?

Mikhail is really dead this time. He was holding the grenade when it went off. No way he'd survive that, especially underwater.
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Did you actually manage to type that with a straight face? That's man's dead as soon as they cut off his head and put holy wafers in his mouth.

That's man's dead as soon as they cut off his head and put holy wafers in his mouth.
:rotflmao2: What a word picture!!!

Mikhail's mother freaking invincible. I mean, I can see him sort of surviving the whole shock fence, but not having that freaking thing shot RIGHT THROUGH his heart. I hope Mikhail's alive, because he's awesome. Him and John are 'specials' because they get healed by the island.

All the Tallies are still alive right? Did anyone see any of them ambushing the camp?

he was only shot by a harpoon gun not a real gun.

he was only shot by a harpoon gun not a real gun.

Yeah he was shot RIGHT through the heart, and managed to swim into the ocean and blow charlie up. If you got shot with a harpoon gun and lived, don't you think it'd be hard to magically be better and swim right into the ocean with lung damage?

They could do SO MUCH with Richard, and Carbonelli would pull it off beautifully!

Why, oh, why, oh WHY didn't ABC sign him up?! :wallbash:

I don't think the losties will be able to just live on the beach, in plain sight, anymore. This is what makes the Temple such a good potential set. The losties might not live right there, since they don't subscribe to whatever religion/philosophy the Others do. But it's probably in a well-sequestered place. Defensible, which will be an ESSENTIAL. So they'll all be living in the same valley or cleft or mountainside or whatever. And, yes, obviously they'll be fighting the boaties together!

They could do SO MUCH with Richard, and Carbonelli would pull it off beautifully!

Why, oh, why, oh WHY didn't ABC sign him up?! :wallbash:


Last thing I knew they were trying to make him a regular next year. Also his last name is Carbonell not Carbonelli. I would feel so bad for him if he came here and saw how many people profess his greatness but don't even know his name.

I agree that Juliet, Alex, and Karl have now become official Losties (although it's still uncertain whether Blake Bashoff and Tania Raymonde will be officially upgraded to series regular status, to help fill the void left by Charlie, Eko, Nikki, and Paulo).

Maybe Alex and Karl will go double-date with Rose and Bernard, and share semi-regular status with them? Although I do wonder: will Alex go live on the beach with our Losties, or will she move into Danielle's cave?
IMO Alex and Karl are probably gonna go live with Danielle (meaning they will probably just be recurring just like, unless of course they finally bring Mira Fulan on as a regular in which case they probably would too). As for Juliet, I think she pretty much became a full Lostie after she betrayed Ben.

Agreeance that Alex would want to get to know her mom. So she'll stay with Danielle. Where Alex goes, Karl goes, so he will join them. Thus, explaining their recurring appearances is an easy task for TPTB.

As for the actor who plays Richard, heaven forfend that I OFfend. Thus, from now on, I shall call him Nestor. (It IS Nestor, right?) :rolleyes:

At any rate, Nestor would be available for only the occasional guest role, now that he is signed with a CBS series. Thus, Richard will only be key to the Others' dynamic via exposition, most of the time. Such a shame! :sob:

Diana Scarwid, I believe, is as big on stage as she is on TV or in movies (not unlike M. Scott Caldwell and Sam Anderson, which is part of the reason Rose and Bernard are recurrings). I wouldn't expect to see her in more than a guest shot, either--just like in this last season.

If there are Others who are slated to be of significance this coming season, they will probably be new characters to us. But TPTB have said that the Others' story has wound down now. Thus, they'll still have important story, but they won't be THE important story. The Island proper (and its properties) and the New Enemies on that boat will take center stage, story-wise.

Of course, Juliet is a lostie now (unless the Boaties offer her a better deal). Ben will probably be returned to the Others in exchange for their help against the Boaties. What the Others will do to Ben upon his return is an open question, however.

If the writers feel that their running low on Others, they can simply invent new ones like they did with Juliet this season. And if anyone asks these new character where they've been all this time, they can simply answer, "I had the day off".

I hope its less about substituting in a new enemy for the losties and more about this damn island theyre on. I dont care so much about the conflict (well, I do)...I just want to know more about this crazy island their on and the work that's been done there, both by Dharma and before...

I'm hopeing that now that we have a deffinite number of remaining episodes we will start to get some of those answers.