That note he wrote to Desmond "NOT PENNY'S BOAT" was an attempt by charlie to reach out to Desmond in the past to warn him about Neomi. Remember the universe has a way of course correcting itself, this is no exception.

I think he was just telling Desmond that so he can go warn the others right away, rather than the past.

That note he wrote to Desmond "NOT PENNY'S BOAT" was an attempt by charlie to reach out to Desmond in the past to warn him about Neomi. Remember the universe has a way of course correcting itself, this is no exception.

That sort of makes sense to me. Except how is he warning him in the past unless Des has been kicked back into the past?

i think he was just trying to tell him to warn the others

I think you are overthinking it. I think he felt the need to tell him simple because he'd just found out himself & thought it useful info.

The only way that would work is if:

Desmond, while still in the Swan, contacts Amazon.com (in the future) and orders the DVDs of season 4, 5 and 6, a show he is a character on, sees what happens, then goes back in time and changes the entire story by influencing the writers even before the idea of "Lost" was born, and influences them writing the show, thus changing the story he is a character in thus changing that moment. Of course he also causes major changes to the DVDs of season 1 to 3.

In other words, that is how Desmond can predict the future: by time traveling to Amazon.com in the future and buying the future DVDs and seeing what is on them.

It's called Retro-Meta Recursive-Clairvoyance. Yeah, that works for me.

P. S. I just read tomorrows responses to this post. I'll tell you about it next week and you'll see that I am right about all this. ; )

The only way that would work is if:

Desmond, while still in the Swan, contacts Amazon.com (in the future) and orders the DVDs of season 4, 5 and 6, a show he is a character on, sees what happens, then goes back in time and changes the entire story by influencing the writers even before the idea of "Lost" was born, and influences them writing the show, thus changing the story he is a character in thus changing that moment. Of course he also causes major changes to the DVDs of season 1 to 3.

In other words, that is how Desmond can predict the future: by time traveling to Amazon.com in the future and buying the future DVDs and seeing what is on them.

It's called Retro-Meta Recursive-Clairvoyance. Yeah, that works for me.

P. S. I just read tomorrows responses to this post. I'll tell you about it next week and you'll see that I am right about all this. ; )

I nearly spit my drink up when I started reading this, you should definitely put a warning tag. Sarcasm high, may cause fluid to erupt from cavities. Nice one.

i think what is being suggested is that by writing the message, it might change Desmond's "vision" from a few days back. Therefore, in the past when Des sees the "vision" he will now see the message.

Not a bad thought but a bit too odd and needlessly complicated. He is simply relaying a message with his last breath. But then again who knows where this show is going.

I think it depends on whether you buy the whole time loop theory - or not.

The only way that would work is if:

Desmond, while still in the Swan, contacts Amazon.com (in the future) and orders the DVDs of season 4, 5 and 6, a show he is a character on, sees what happens, then goes back in time and changes the entire story by influencing the writers even before the idea of "Lost" was born, and influences them writing the show, thus changing the story he is a character in thus changing that moment. Of course he also causes major changes to the DVDs of season 1 to 3.

In other words, that is how Desmond can predict the future: by time traveling to Amazon.com in the future and buying the future DVDs and seeing what is on them.

It's called Retro-Meta Recursive-Clairvoyance. Yeah, that works for me.

P. S. I just read tomorrows responses to this post. I'll tell you about it next week and you'll see that I am right about all this. ; )


Post of the month! :24:

You should see about getting on the podcast :biggrin:

That note he wrote to Desmond "NOT PENNY'S BOAT" was an attempt by charlie to reach out to Desmond in the past to warn him about Neomi. Remember the universe has a way of course correcting itself, this is no exception.

I hope the universe has a way of interpreting this as well..
It would appear that Charlie (while still alive) was in the present which at that time included Jack and the Losties attempting to contact Naomi's boat that she claimed was Penny's. She told them she was hired by Penny and they were attempting to contact Penny's boat. That was all happening at the same time that Charlie was still alive and had contact with Penny. When he found out that it was not Penny's boat and Penny didn't know who Naomi was he realized this was important information. At the same time.. not in the past or future, Patchy blew out the window to the little room where alive Charlie was... with Desmond outside.. all the same time.. no one was in the past... and that's when the window blew, the room began to flood.. and Charlie shut the door to save Desmond from drowning -- but before Charlie died he wrote the note on his hand.. which simply isn't big enough to be too detailed... and said.. NOT PENNY'S BOAT... figuring that Desmond would understand what he was trying to say... SO.. all of the above took place at the exact same present time that each of them was in... no course correction needed. No message to the past..


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I think you are overthinking it. I think he felt the need to tell him simple because he'd just found out himself & thought it useful info.

Where does the universe end? :)

Well, alrighty then. :rolleyes:

*sigh*

I think you are overthinking it. I think he felt the need to tell him simple because he'd just found out himself & thought it useful info.

That's what I thought.
To me, it looked like Charlie realised something, then he wrote on his hand....... I just assumed he realised Penny had nothing to do with Naomi so, who's Naomi? He'd have to relay that message to Desmond.......

That's what I thought.
To me, it looked like Charlie realised something, then he wrote on his hand...

Exactly. It seemed to me that Charlie was trying to figure out how to tell Des about the boat, and then he realised he had that waterproof sharpie in his pocket.

i think what is being suggested is that by writing the message, it might change Desmond's "vision" from a few days back. Therefore, in the past when Des sees the "vision" he will now see the message.

Not a bad thought but a bit too odd and needlessly complicated. He is simply relaying a message with his last breath. But then again who knows where this show is going.
I get it. Took me a minute. So it's as though Charlie was trying to save his own life by planting the message in Desmond's vision so Desmond would see it in the past when he had the vision, and would know not to bother telling Charlie to go flip the switch and die, so he wouldn't end up writing the note, so it wouldn't be in Desmond's vision so he would tell Charlie to flip the switch and die and he would write the note, though not in that order, actually, so it would be in Desmond's vision and he would see it in the past and not tell Charlie to...

So yeah, I think it's a little too convoluted. Besides, Desmond's visions are not complete -- just flashes. It could be that, in the vision, he just didn't see the note on Charlie's hand.

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So yeah, I think it's a little too convoluted. Besides, Desmond's visions are not complete -- just flashes. It could be that, in the vision, he just didn't see the note on Charlie's hand.

My analysis has been- every explanation we've seen in seasons 2 and 3 has been pretty basic and not very convoluted. there is nothing to suggest such a complicated explanation.

Well...ahh.....(breaks out in song) Tiiiiiiiiiiiiime is on my siiiide, YES IT IS!.........

So....ahhh..that said...maybe Des can change the current present in the past by

seeing the future which is the present...ya see what I'm say???

Ahh, who knows?!

CF