This struck me as quite odd - and I can see it as a point we return to later on, and go "Ah ha!"

During Ben's conversation with Jack, as to why he needed the phone, and why calling for help could not be allowed, he said that "All the living people on the island would be killed" if he did so. Seems to me, that if I were referring to a group of people who would-be killed, saying "living" is redundant.
I bring this up, after reading the Whispers thread, one in particular where when Shannon gets shot, a whisper-voice is recorded as saying "Sis", not to mention all the discussions about there being dead "beings" on the island, however you want to say it.

I just found that as quite odd.
Thoughts?

I noted that too, Clochard and wondered at its meaning. I guess you can't kill the nonliving people on the Island but the way he said it sure sounded odd and somethig that will stick in our minds.

Yeah, I thought that it was very odd, as well. My hubby and I re-watched it and it seemed as though Ben emphasized living. Then again I've heard people use the term as he said it; it's just not very common.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be about dead people really being alive. I'm already disappointed in the many lives of Mikhail and Locke, not to mention the numerous beatings that should have done in Ben. :rolleyes:

hmmm, never thought about that

This got me thinking too. It just seems odd to word it that way. I agree that this will become an issue.

RJ

Nice catch on that quote. It is possible to die on the island; reference the pit with all of the Dharma skeletons, but Locke and Patchy seem to have many lives, so perhaps some beings are not actually "LIVING."

I didn't take note of it simply because I thought Ben was just being emphatic and dramatic. IE "Every last, single living person" so to speak.

Not ruling it out though. I just don't see what outsiders would do to dead people, unless they intended to introduce modern technology like Dharma and somehow disrupt the natural properties of the island, which in turn destroys the spirit of the island.

I just don't really get this though. Ben was surprised that Michail was alive aftter he went through the fence. If he knew he was 'undead' or whatever he is why would he have been surprised?

Is klugh also alive but dead?

I am so confused.

we use the same expression in daily life ... for example: "we're destroying our planet. soon all living being on this planet will die." ... so, that the figure of speech ... we don't talk about nonliving beings on our planet, are we?

Ben has an odd way of speaking anyway. I think he was just over-emphasizing in the way that he does. But it does make you wonder - what about a person like Jacob who is alive but not quite "there"?

I think he's referring to Jacob, who seems to be some sort of manifestation.

we use the same expression in daily life ... for example: "we're destroying our planet. soon all living being on this planet will die." ... so, that the figure of speech ... we don't talk about nonliving beings on our planet, are we?

I've never heard it put that way, actually.
I've heard "Soon all life will end/die" or even "every living creature".
The last quote does not contradict what i'm saying however. "Every living creature" refers to all plant and animal life, it is all encompassing; all living people is very specific; why would he not simply say "You'll kill everybody?"

It sounds to me like Ben is referring to people killing other people - he did not say "you'll kill everything" or "all living things", just people.

All living people on the island
is a lot different than
All people living on the island.

I might have to rerun the vcr tape to check this quote.

Eight might be right, he could have been being overly dramatic. But it did stand out as odd to me too. Maybe he is omitting the non physical beings, like Smokey, Jacob and the whispering spirits of whatever.

What's a VCR? lol...Wanna borrow my 8 Track tape player while yer at it? Sorry...I just got a new DVR and now I'm a bit of an elitist!! :biggrin:

I think we overthink things here.

Ben was over-emphasising, as usual. "You'll kill us all" would lessen the blow...as that also infers it would mean the deaths of his people, The Others, as well. I think he chose the "every living person" route to put the emphasis more on Jack's group of Losties...rather than his band of baby-stealing-pregnant-lady-kidnapping-murderers. He didn't want Jack to get the impression he was only concerned about his people...but everyone.

I don't think Ben had his mind on his mother in the woods...or Jacob up in his cabin at all when he uttered that line.