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sandiego6656
05-24-2007, 05:09 AM
anyone have thier closed captioning turned on for this? i first though he said "lord help me" but that doesn't seem to match his lip movement.

Claudia815
05-24-2007, 05:10 AM
He said "Forgive me."

He broke my heart. Jack doesn't strike me as particularly religious (in fact we know from his conversation with Rose in Walkabout that he's not), so I think he was talking to the dead person he was mourning. He also touched the coffin later in the episode and seemed terribly affected by the death, so it was someone who meant a great deal to him.

sandiego6656
05-24-2007, 05:23 AM
god bless you for that answer. it would have bothered me all night.
i feel awful for jack too. seeing kate turn her back on him was brutal, even if it was in a future that may not come to pass in the same way we saw it. she seemed to have the same reaction to him that his ex-wife has - caring about him enough to come see him, but unwilling to have any relationship with him because he's so sick and unhealthily attached. breaks my heart too.

thopman
05-24-2007, 01:29 PM
. . .when he is about to jump from the bridge?

I swear it almost sounds like "Walt, forgive me . . ."

Pretty sure about the "forgive me", not so sure about the "Walt" part.

It's too quiet/subtle/mumbled to be sure. Anyone else think so?

callaway
05-24-2007, 01:43 PM
Not sure about the walt part, definatley says forgive.
As a guess, the likey thing to be said would be

God,forgive me
or
Please,forgive me. I'm gonna have a listen now, good point.

dtisme
05-24-2007, 01:47 PM
When I saw the tag on this post, I thought you might have wondered what he said when he made his first cell phone call after reading the obit. I swore he said, "Kate..." then I thought, nah, he probably said, "Hey..." -- which made Kate getting out of the car at the end not a surprise for me at all.

EvanAgee
05-24-2007, 01:47 PM
I just heard forgive me, which was odd considering that Jack is not a God-believing person. Maybe his experiences on the island gave him a belief in a higher power? Jacob?

lostlocke
05-24-2007, 02:28 PM
All I heard was forgive me. It's amazing how jack is so messed up because he got off of the island supposedly!! Isn't that what he wanted the whole time?!

wonkavator
05-24-2007, 02:38 PM
at the time I though he was asking God for forgiveness for the suicide he was about to attempt. Now that you say he is not a religious man, which I guess I knew I am not sure who he is asking forgiveness from.

Mulder
05-27-2007, 11:59 PM
at the time I though he was asking God for forgiveness for the suicide he was about to attempt. Now that you say he is not a religious man, which I guess I knew I am not sure who he is asking forgiveness from.

I think it was God. Something changed him in the years since he made that call. Either on the island or off. Most likely off the island since he told Kate that they made a mistake in leaving. Now he's a man of faith because of whatever happened.

wtec
05-28-2007, 12:07 AM
I think he was asking the entire human race for forgiveness. I think his decision got his people (or at least some of them) off the Island but ruined any chance of preventing the extinction of humanity predicted by the Valenzetti Equation.

So instead of fixing things, Jack doomed everyone.

rabidranger
05-28-2007, 12:09 AM
I think he said "please forgive me", which is pretty loaded in and of itself, but more so as tied to the fact that he was prepared to commit suicide right after glancing at the obit. The identity of that person will provide answers to a lot of the questions I have right now. So, was Jack asking for the forgivemess of God (an interesting turn), the person who commited suicide, or another person?

Tachyon
05-28-2007, 12:11 AM
i'm not a religious person but i still do think like "oh thank god" and things like that. and i also think i would definitely say "please forgive me" or "i'm sorry" or something before i would kill myself (of course i wouldn't, though, so maybe it's not a good comparison) and i would be talking to god. i don't think "not being religious" is synonymous with "atheist". i consider myself a very scientific person who needs to see all the facts and am very skeptic (though not rude) towards things, yet god is something different... i don't take god to be exactly as everyone else says god is, god is definitely highly individualize to me, but i still do believe in an overarching... "force"... i know that's a bad word, but an overarching something. i'm not here to explain my view on god, but he doesn't have to be religious to call out for forgiveness. if you want to get literal, we can say he was saying it to the people he's leaving behind.

artystic
05-28-2007, 12:23 AM
When I watched the scene the second time around, I thought he was saying "forgive me" either to the person in the obit (who I was almost positive was Locke until I saw the screenshots posted around here, now I'm really not sure), or to Locke/Ben - both of them warned him not to leave the island, and now he's realizing they were right, and is sorry he did not listen.

I've listened to the scene several times, but I still can't make out the word he says before "forgive me;" it's definitely something though, just indistinct. Maybe someone else has better ears than I do :)

I also agree that one doesn't have to be religious to believe in a God, or invoke the name.

Subotai
05-28-2007, 01:05 AM
Asking the people he left behind to forgive him.

sandiego6656
05-28-2007, 06:05 AM
i tend to think that he was saying "forgive me" in reference to the person who committed suicide. jack has taken personal responsibility for everyone on the island and he was feeling pretty upset about that death. i didn't hear him say "god", or a name before that.

EllsBells1960
05-28-2007, 09:13 AM
Who did he leave behind? He seems as though he has no one when he comes back.

savagecabbage
05-28-2007, 09:57 AM
I think everything was meant to happen and the car crash made him realise it wasnt his time to die. the whole forgive me part was only towards what he was about to do. ie commit suicide.
the fact he states he is not a hero in the chemists also brings us to the phone call he made! what happens after!
I think there is going to be alot of changes in timeline in the next season and possibly jack trying to reverse the call. but as the show keeps on reminding us "things happen for a reason" and cannot be changed- just prolonged!

My only hope is that when the show finally ends we get closure on everything.

Occono
05-28-2007, 12:44 PM
Hmm....I'm pretty sure Jack's not religious, like me, but whether he's a full-on Athiest or just agnostic or whatever is ambigious. Maybe he was asking for the island to forgive him? That'd be intresting.