When Locke said to Jack that he wasn't suppose to call the ship, it was like he knew the future. Similar to Desmond being told he can't change the future. There is a lot of talk about not being able to change the future.

Also in the Answers episode Damon says something like eveything has to happen the way it did for them to show up on the island together.

Since Desmond saved Charlie in the original Naomi episode and realized that he can change the past I've had this theory:
The finale will show Desmond going back to the past and not breaking up with Penny. As a result, none of what we have watched or will be watching ever happens. That one event is pivotal.

I think that time and fate etc play a part in the shows ultimate conclusion but I don't think that

undoing everything we have watched will be part of it. We've spent tons of time emotionally investing ourselves in these characters and the way they have changed since coming to the island. The island giving them a blank slate/redemption. All of that would be undone. It may as well be a dream if that happened.

I agree, I think this has implications on the flashforward with Jack too

I think that time and fate etc play a part in the shows ultimate conclusion but I don't think that

undoing everything we have watched will be part of it. We've spent tons of time emotionally investing ourselves in these characters and the way they have changed since coming to the island. The island giving them a blank slate/redemption. All of that would be undone. It may as well be a dream if that happened.

I agree that it would be a lousy ending to the series, but I think it is possible. It is very Stephen King/Dark Tower like, and I have read that is a big influence.

If they tried to pull the "J.R. Ending", people would riot in the streets.

I'm pretty sure the ending will at least have a flashback to the creation of the Island. (Damon said that it would in the Lost Yearbook. He also said it was made by "someone". An alien??? :undecide: )

I'm pretty sure the ending will at least have a flashback to the creation of the Island. (Damon said that it would in the Lost Yearbook. He also said it was made by "someone". An alien??? :undecide: )

Someone= Jacob? Hanso?

It wouldn't be Hanso, he's also said the island is TENS OF THOUSAND YEARS OLD.
(which is why I thought "Alien") However, Jacob makes sense. Maybe the Island trapped him on it after he created it.

Also that might make:
Jacob: God
The Island: Jesus
Adam and Eve: Adam and Eve
Smokey: Snakey :)

Maybe they just found an undiscovered/unmapped island and "created" it by surrounding it with the Klingon cloaking device that hides its location?

I'll never understand why people would spoilerfont their own speculative theories.

When Locke said to Jack that he wasn't suppose to call the ship, it was like he knew the future. Similar to Desmond being told he can't change the future. There is a lot of talk about not being able to change the future.

Also in the Answers episode Damon says something like eveything has to happen the way it did for them to show up on the island together.

Since Desmond saved Charlie in the original Naomi episode and realized that he can change the past I've had this theory:
The finale will show Desmond going back to the past and not breaking up with Penny. As a result, none of what we have watched or will be watching ever happens. That one event is pivotal.
I don't know what I'd think if they did that. That would seriously become like another Dark Tower.

I agree that it would be a lousy ending to the series, but I think it is possible. It is very Stephen King/Dark Tower like, and I have read that is a big influence.


Yes! I love how we can make out the words Tower and Beam in the obituary that Jack read. I immediately thought of the Dark Tower.

I agree, I think this has implications on the flashforward with Jack too

Yes, that is my thought. Something changed among the players. If there is a time loop, like we are surmising about Desmond's trying to keep Charlie's death from happening, each change of the cards will affect something in the past or future. The point is that we all have links to others. So, something has happened that causes Jack's life to be terribly different than it should be -- or, we are actually seeing a flashback that Jack is currently (on the island again) trying to course-correct. Time is relative.

Yes! I love how we can make out the words Tower and Beam in the obituary that Jack read. I immediately thought of the Dark Tower.

I didn't catch that. That's interesting and I might have to go back and reread the Dark Tower series this summer.

If the island (and it's creators/inhabitants?) are, in fact, tens of thousands of years old, maybe it lends itself toward an Atlantis-type mythology. Some Atlantis theories state that civilization on Earth has begun, advanced and destroyed itself several times over in our history over tens of thousands of years. The history of civilization as we know it is only the latest incarnation. Interestingly, if you check out some of Edgar Cayce's claims about Atlantis you will find some themes that might fit into Lost's mythology. Among them are:

-Atlantis supposedly had technologies that surpass those that we have today
-Atlantean society was divided into two long-lived political factions--a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial."
- He talked of a blue stone of Atlantean origin that held healing powers
-Turmoil with the Sons of Belial and their desire to exploit their technolgies for purposes of greed and lust led to a demise of their civilization
-Their society harnessed the power of the sun through a crystal (or crystals?). An overcharging of the crystal led to a massive explosion and Atlantis' final destruction

Cayce believed in reincarnation (the whispers?), astral projection (Walt, Jack's Dad, etc?) and was known as a healer (the island).

I'll never understand why people would spoilerfont their own speculative theories.

Because people tend to push the spoiler button and read it instead of glance over anything

Seems to be a natural reaction

And there's never been any warning or ruling about it so by now everyone and their mother is doing it

Which tends to be annoying

But maybe that's just me ;)

I foresee some natives - building four-toed-statues, cooking magic soups and see on the surface images of the Losties wandering across their island....

I agree that it would be a lousy ending to the series, but I think it is possible.

Absolutely.
I would have a complete breakdown if this happened.
I HATE movies/tv that do that.

This idea of Desmond going back and changing it would be a rip off. A rip off to the character development and all we've seen and what we fans have invested in.

This idea of Desmond going back and changing it would be a rip off. A rip off to the character development and all we've seen and what we fans have invested in.

Have you read the Dark Tower? In the end

The story starts over again from the beginning because the main character is doing something wrong along the way.

Lost is going to turn into the Bill Murray flick Groundhog Day.

I dont think that Locke knew the future when he said this. He only doesnt want any chance of transport to leave the island.

Like he did with the sub.

I'm pretty sure the ending will at least have a flashback to the creation of the Island. (Damon said that it would in the Lost Yearbook. He also said it was made by "someone". An alien??? :undecide: )
He said the island was MADE by someone????????????? When and WHERE did he say that??????????????

He said the island was MADE by someone????????????? When and WHERE did he say that??????????????


I'd like to know that too. That is news to me.:eek2::eek2::eek2:

When Locke said to Jack that he wasn't suppose to call the ship, it was like he knew the future. Similar to Desmond being told he can't change the future. There is a lot of talk about not being able to change the future.

Also in the Answers episode Damon says something like eveything has to happen the way it did for them to show up on the island together.

Since Desmond saved Charlie in the original Naomi episode and realized that he can change the past I've had this theory:
The finale will show Desmond going back to the past and not breaking up with Penny. As a result, none of what we have watched or will be watching ever happens. That one event is pivotal.That would be an emotional and thematic rip-off. There is no way Cuse and Lindelof would end the show in a such a fashion.

He said that in the Lost magazine yearbook, the one with interviews with the actors who portray the Others. He said it in a section where he describe the show as an "archeoligical dig". It's a two-page section with a picture of Eko.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard anything about the Island being made or aliens or whatever. Locke didn't know the future, but the present. He knew how special the Island is.

I dont think that Locke knew the future when he said this. He only doesnt want any chance of transport to leave the island.

Like he did with the sub.

I think he does know the future -- not that he necessarily saw the future, but was more likely told it by future-walt. The way he says, "you're not supposed to do this" is rather like how Mrs Hawking was telling Desmond the same thing. I think he's trying to stop the Losties' from leaving for their own sake at least as much as for "the island's" sake (and not so much for his own sake at all).

He said that in the Lost magazine yearbook, the one with interviews with the actors who portray the Others. He said it in a section where he describe the show as an "archeoligical dig". It's a two-page section with a picture of Eko.

Well, if that is indeed true, it changes the whole picture of the show for me.

When Locke said to Jack that he wasn't suppose to call the ship, it was like he knew the future. Similar to Desmond being told he can't change the future. There is a lot of talk about not being able to change the future.

Also in the Answers episode Damon says something like eveything has to happen the way it did for them to show up on the island together.

Since Desmond saved Charlie in the original Naomi episode and realized that he can change the past I've had this theory:
The finale will show Desmond going back to the past and not breaking up with Penny. As a result, none of what we have watched or will be watching ever happens. That one event is pivotal.

But if everything is undone, then Locke will never be healed, Sawyer wouldn't meet, and kill, the real Sawyer, Hurley will never know any more about the numbers, Jin and Sun may never escape her father, etc. I think undoing the chain of events that resulted from Desmond's breakup with Penny is very interesting, but in the end I don't like what it means for most of the survivors we've come to know from the plane.

Well, if that is indeed true, it changes the whole picture of the show for me.

In a positive or negative way?

In a positive or negative way?
I'm not sure yet. I think it could work. It could definetely explain why the island is so hard to find. It's not a real place. It could be like an extension of some very powerful 'psychic's mind (Jacob). I don't know... I have to think about it more!!!!

I'm not sure yet. I think it could work. It could definetely explain why the island is so hard to find. It's not a real place. It could be like an extension of some very powerful 'psychic's mind (Jacob). I don't know... I have to think about it more!!!!

I think the context of that article indicated that part of the Island was constructed by someone in the traditional understanding of the word "construction."

If they tried to pull the "J.R. Ending", people would riot in the streets.

A lost riot? That could be put down with sunlight and the exercise it takes to walk the streets. :biggrin:

I think the dream or time travel ending would ruin the show for me.

I think the context of that article indicated that part of the Island was constructed by someone in the traditional understanding of the word "construction."

Yup, that's right. I wish I had it on me, I'd post it to make it clearer. Although I think he meant the whole island, not just "part" of it.

I think the context of that article indicated that part of the Island was constructed by someone in the traditional understanding of the word "construction."

Where's that article? I really need to read it to make any sense. What I understand now is that 'someone' made the island. That might imply a couple of different things:

1) The island was 'magically' created by someone with special powers
2) The whole island is MAN-MADE. I find this extremely hard to believe if we take into account the size of the island and the fact that it should have been built a VERY LONG TIME AGO.
3) If it is like you said, that just parts of the island were 'constructed', that's no big news, we know that the whole Dharma complex (stations) were man-made.

Since Desmond saved Charlie in the original Naomi episode and realized that he can change the past I've had this theory: The finale will show Desmond going back to the past and not breaking up with Penny. As a result, none of what we have watched or will be watching ever happens. That one event is pivotal.

Why is that "one" event pivotal, and not any other?

Where's that article? I really need to read it to make any sense. What I understand now is that 'someone' made the island. That might imply a couple of different things:

1) The island was 'magically' created by someone with special powers
2) The whole island is MAN-MADE. I find this extremely hard to believe if we take into account the size of the island and the fact that it should have been built a VERY LONG TIME AGO.
3) If it is like you said, that just parts of the island were 'constructed', that's no big news, we know that the whole Dharma complex (stations) were man-made.

If I recall correctly, the implication was a portion of the Island itself, and not just buildings and what not was constructed by "x".

If I recall correctly, the implication was a portion of the Island itself, and not just buildings and what not was constructed by "x".
I don't get it. So part of the land and trees, grass, etc were build by someone?

Because people tend to push the spoiler button and read it instead of glance over anything

Seems to be a natural reaction

And there's never been any warning or ruling about it so by now everyone and their mother is doing it

Which tends to be annoying

But maybe that's just me ;)

:roflmao::clapping:

But if everything is undone, then Locke will never be healed, Sawyer wouldn't meet, and kill, the real Sawyer, Hurley will never know any more about the numbers, Jin and Sun may never escape her father, etc. I think undoing the chain of events that resulted from Desmond's breakup with Penny is very interesting, but in the end I don't like what it means for most of the survivors we've come to know from the plane.

I feel the exact same way. It's been said before by JJA and CC that this island is a chance for redemption, that these are real, living characters - I'm emotionally invested in their development, too. Though, sometimes, the ending that seems awful is really the only way things can work out in the end. Like the ending of the Dark Tower. King said that it was the only right way to go, the only way it could have ended, and I understood that. We were left with the hope that the next go-round would be better.

Maybe we'll end up with a time-loop going back to this one incorrect decision, and on the next go-round, it'll be fixed somehow. Heck, maybe the rest of the show will be reconciling the Bearded Jack and his world with what just happened with the phone call, and then having him find some mechanism to undo it, with the finale showing us the true ending, what was meant to happen.

But to leave it as a reboot scenario so that no one ends up with the qualities the island has given them would be profoundly disappointing.

No way we'd be expected to discard all the character personal and emotional developments cuz of a silly time loop theory. Just my opinion.

I don't get it. So part of the land and trees, grass, etc were build by someone?

Yup :)

Although I think he might mean that someone made some sort of big...machine or something that's IN the Island, and then he built the land around it.

Walt who manifested himself on the Island just as John was about to attempt suicide, TOLD John he had work to do. We the audience only saw the tip of the story that unfolds between Locke and Walt. IMHO "Walt" has told John what he must do in order to ensure the safety of the Island. Arg, I can't wait till next February... way to far away.