Hmm....so they never really answered what went down is those 10 days Jack was with the Others.

I kinda saw this coming though

It was bizarre... im sorry, Yes i am biased i don't mean to start a debate, but I WISH they'd stop pushing this Jack and Juliet thing - there's enough drama in a triangle - there's no need to make it a quadrangle!

I personally thought it was kinda silly, I mean we haven't seen them be close in that way and then all of a sudden wham. They kiss. eh, who cares right? After charlie dying I don't care who Jack kisses. Actually even if Charlie was still alive I wouldn't care who Jack kisses!!! Sorry if my talons are coming out! I'm not going to see lost until next year. Next year people!! Doesn't that hurt just saying it?!:down: :disgust:

I loved seeing that kiss!!! I have always thought that Jack and Juliet had tons of chemistry together and I have been waiting for a moment just like that! My only fear is that it maybe the last scene they have together. I am really worried that the people back at the beach will for some reason get left behind during the rescue.

I am so tired of the triangle/quadrangle. Enough, already!

That kiss made me want to vomit.

I personnaly didn't see that kiss in a romantic way... this is a kiss from Juliet and jack seemed surprised! And on juliet's part i think she kissed him because she possibly knows this is the last time she sees him...and she wants him to know that he's a good guy and to thanks him for being sweet to her and defend her when she was on the beach. I think she really likes Jack and knows that he's unhappy and alone...so she wanted him to feel good. That's my take on this scene.

It was bizarre... im sorry, Yes i am biased i don't mean to start a debate, but I WISH they'd stop pushing this Jack and Juliet thing - there's enough drama in a triangle - there's no need to make it a quadrangle!


Yeah weird , it reminded me of Jack not realising Kate was going to kiss him , or Gabrielle. I couldn't see the point in it. Dunno what I think about it.

It came across to me as two people who are closer than we thought. It resembled two people who have been dating for awhile and have reached a certain comfort level. It was kind of cute, so normal and natural as if she was saying "bye honey I'm off to kill some others so you're on your own for dinner".

It was probably the last thing I was expecting, but it didn't feel like it was the last thing the two characters were expecting if that makes sense. Just one of many terrific scenes last night. :smile:

it was about damn time.... out of all the guys getting some in the island, ive been pushing for jack to open the envelope..lmaooooooooo

I personnaly didn't see that kiss in a romantic way... this is a kiss from Juliet and jack seemed surprised! And on juliet's part i think she kissed him because she possibly knows this is the last time she sees him...and she wants him to know that he's a good guy and to thanks him for being sweet to her and defend her when she was on the beach. I think she really likes Jack and knows that he's unhappy and alone...so she wanted him to feel good. That's my take on this scene.

Calypso - I think your take is right on. Jack did seemed surprised by the kiss - espcially after he saw that Kate saw it too. Because he loves Kate, which is why he told her so.! IMO Jack and Juliet don't have anything CLOSE to what Jack and Kate have! Jack WILL fix everything:biggrin:

I loved seeing that kiss!!! I have always thought that Jack and Juliet had tons of chemistry together and I have been waiting for a moment just like that!

Agreed. This was a long, LONG time comin', and it was an adorable scene. Very realistic and natural...I loved it.

I think they did an incredible job of building the Jacket relationship this season (and I do hope TPTB know how fortunate they are to have found Elizabeth Mitchell, whom I have a massive girl-crush on!), and the electricity between them was ignited from the moment she spoke the words "I'm Juliet".

And I wouldn't worry too much about it possibly being their last scene together. Darlton seem to know how to handle and exploit fantastic chemistry between actors, and when it falls into their laps as naturally as that between Fox & Mitchell, they won't let it go to waste. S4 will most surely see Jacket heating up! :biggrin:

It really surprised me actually, I was really not expecting that. What struck me about it was that it seemed so casual- like a kiss between two people who have been together a long time and are used to giving each other a quick kiss before they go out the door in the morning... It makes me think there's more that's happened between them that we haven't seen?

I did hear early that the finale "flashback" was Jack, and I just assumed it would be showing his time with the Others, but guess that's still a mystery at this point.

Jack seemed surprised. And honestly, it didn't feel very romantic. It was Juliet pulling strings in front of Kate.. yet again.

Now I don't "ship" Jack and Juliet persay but it made sense to me. I might be biased b/c I don't see the chemistry between Jack and Kate as romantic, but Juliet has always seemed more like Jack's equal than anyone else does. She just laid one on him, which indicates a more casual relationship, where everyone else's relationship with Jack seems to be "leader to follower".

Jack seemed surprised. And honestly, it didn't feel very romantic. It was Juliet pulling strings in front of Kate.. yet again.

That's what I thought as well. It's difficult to root for people when they do things completely out of left field. :undecide: It may have been better if we witnessed the kiss at a different time, place and away from the presence of Kate. I thought it was ridiculous when she looked back at them kissing with a dumbfounded expression. I literally said out loud, yes Kate, Juliet and Jack are kissing, what are you so pissed about, you have your gigolo Sawyer, move along please. :rolleyes:

I loved seeing Jack get shown some love. It's been a long time since someone kissed him. He wasn't complaining. I thought the kiss was sweet.

I literally said out loud, yes Kate, Juliet and Jack are kissing, what are you so pissed about, you have your gigolo Sawyer, move along please. :rolleyes:

haha, that really made me laugh. I nearly spit out my tea.

haha, that really made me laugh. I nearly spit out my tea.

I just don't understand why Kate has to behave the way that she does. That scene would have been more enjoyable had we not had to witness Kate glaring nonchalantly at them.

It is very hard for me to see them as a couple but I'm biased. He was surprised by it so I don't think they're too close...yet. :[ Damon said on "the answers" that juliet interpreted differently the whole walki talki scene. Juliet told Kate she broke his heart. I think she made a move because she wants to be with him and thinks that Kate is bad for him. But hopefully it was just a thank you for how he'd protected her. I'm sure others interpreted this differently, JMO

I didn't like it, obviously because I'm a Jate shipper, and I even like the idea of Sawyer and Kate together more than the idea of Jack and Juliet. I really don't think Jack likes her, I'm not sure if Juliet even likes him. One of her reasons was obviously to make Kate jealous.

One of her reasons was obviously to make Kate jealous.

That's definitely a possibility, but I do think she has developed genuine feelings for Jack, which is something that is unexpected for her.

One of her reasons was obviously to make Kate jealous.

I doubt that. Juliet seems too mature to play Kate's games and I agree with Krystal, I think she's developed feelings for Jack and vice versa. I thought it was kind of sweet.

It's about time! I like Jack. Sure, he's cocky, an asshole, but hey, I think we all are to some extent, but Jack at least has the ability to back up his ways. He's put himself on the line more times than not for everybody on the island. The man deserves something for it.

I always liked Juliet, even when she was evil. Intelligent women just get me more than some damsel in distress and I think that's what she shares with Jack... he doesn't have to worry about her as much cause she's one of the smartest people on the island.

Jack deserves at least a kiss for all the work he's done. Even if his plans don't always, at least he makes them and tries to do what's best for everyone, not himself ala Sawyer (till tonight's episode of course). I really hope the future isn't set in stone, because I want to see our guys prevail... I was ecstatic to see them beat the hell out of the Others. It was brilliant. I don't want to see Juliet die... I'd be disappointed as hell if she dies in Season 4. Only reason I'm throwing it out is because she wasn't there in the future.

That kiss made me wanna :puke:. I just don't like Juliet. And seeing them kiss was just gross.

First of all, Juliet kissed Jack. That's an important fact. Jack was not expecting it, but he certainly didn't pull away either. He was clearly surprised, and I think even a bit stunned. Does this guy not understand that he's kissable? He had the same reaction to Kate. That's probably what I love about Jack. He's so clueless, which makes him more appealing.

Anyway, Juliet definitely has feelings for Jack. It was all right there when she came to Jack after Colleen died, and Jack was handcuffed to the cot. Juliet desperately wanted to believe that Jack was trying to make her feel better (which he probably was), but he shut her down. Then he rescues her from death after she watched him rescue Kate and Sawyer from their deaths. This type of behavior tends to be very attractive to women. :smile:

Jack SO deserves a kiss. Heck, the man deserves more than that after everything he's done and been through. Poor guy.

Heck yea Jack deserved a kiss......I like Jack and Juliet and hope they keep the Jack/Juliet pairing around in season 4. I couldn't imagine Jules dying, there are already a shortage of females on Lost, Kate needs a little competition every now and then.

agreed, the jack and juliet connection needs to continue

Juliet is such a bore. I dont know know why some people like her so much. Jack & Kate all the way!

It really surprised me actually, I was really not expecting that. What struck me about it was that it seemed so casual- like a kiss between two people who have been together a long time and are used to giving each other a quick kiss before they go out the door in the morning... It makes me think there's more that's happened between them that we haven't seen?


I agree, I think it's a shame that there was so much development between Jack & Juliet that we haven't gotten to see...his 10 days with the Others as a free man, the time they've spent together since returning to the beach...we just haven't gotten deep into it, and that's a shame. All the other couples on the island, we've been given more access to, and can better tell the inner workings. And Jack/Juliet just scream oncoming "Epicness" to me. I hope we're privy to more intimate moments between them next season, as we've been privy to the other couples'.

Though I didn't get "casual" from their kiss, so much as "natural". Jack was clearly surprised as she leaned in to kiss him, so I think it was definitely their first kiss. But he was also clearly enjoying himself.

I love how there was no-nonsense with Juliet. She obviously likes Jack, she obviously wanted to kiss him, and so she just did...you GO, girl!

I just loved it!!! I cheered Juliette on! Finally!!:biggrin: I just have never really seen the Jack/Kate connection, and I'm actually not much of a shipper, but I have always liked Jack and Jules connection. They're both people with baggage, but somehow retain their strength, the chemistry, I feel is so much better between them.

Kate has always been conflicted, I just don't think she knows how to settle down and actually love someone (and someone love her) and be comfortable with it. (At this point, because in the FF she shacking with somebody) Look how she was with James this season. Before he killed the real Sawyer, James kept trying to get close to Kate, and she kept pushing him away, and the only times she came to him was for comfort sex. I really believe Jack is more of an idea that Kate is in love with than a person, and that Juliette actually cares for him for who he is.

So I'm hoping for more J.J. love these next seasons, (sorry Jaters!):)

In my honest opinion..
I believe Jack and Juliets kiss was necessary..
As much as everyone wants to believe that Jack and Juliet are an item, chemistry, blah blah blah, I believe that Jack is simply using Juliet to get answers to the island and then better himself and the Losties.
Again, my opinion, Jack's kiss on Juliet was a kiss of death, such as Judas kissing Jesus to let the Roman empire know who exactly they were to go after..
It may be a long shot, but hell, I've known since day one that Jack is in love with Kate, and the flash forwards prove that.
Jack is simply giving Juliet what she wants (closeness to jack, the leader of the Losties) because thats what Juliets mission was from Ben.

Jack, you sly little dog you!

In my honest opinion..
I believe Jack and Juliets kiss was necessary..
As much as everyone wants to believe that Jack and Juliet are an item, chemistry, blah blah blah, I believe that Jack is simply using Juliet to get answers to the island and then better himself and the Losties.
Again, my opinion, Jack's kiss on Juliet was a kiss of death, such as Judas kissing Jesus to let the Roman empire know who exactly they were to go after..
It may be a long shot, but hell, I've known since day one that Jack is in love with Kate, and the flash forwards prove that.
Jack is simply giving Juliet what she wants (closeness to jack, the leader of the Losties) because thats what Juliets mission was from Ben.

Jack, you sly little dog you!

Except Jack didn't kiss Juliet, she kissed him. No offense, but I think your post is a stretch to say the least. Jack's future might be with Kate (although the flashforwards seem to indicate that's not the case), but there's no denying there is chemistry between he and Juliet. I'm not sure where their relationship will end up, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that they'll ultimately be together in the romantic sense. She certainly seems a better match for Jack than Kate does.

Except Jack didn't kiss Juliet, she kissed him. No offense, but I think your post is a stretch to say the least. Jack's future might be with Kate (although the flashforwards seem to indicate that's not the case), but there's no denying there is chemistry between he and Juliet. I'm not sure where their relationship will end up, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that they'll ultimately be together in the romantic sense. She certainly seems a better match for Jack than Kate does.

Precisely. Juliet wanted to kiss Jack, and so she did. He was clearly (and pleasantly) surprised by it, did nothing to provoke or hinder it, and there didn't seem to be a jot of "ulterior motive" behind it on either side. The connection between these two characters was obvious from their very first scenes together, and they've spent close time together over the past weeks. Their bond formed early, in unlikely circumstances, and it certainly seems to be heading in a mutually romantic direction.

It's going to be a long, long hiatus. :drowsy:

I personnaly didn't see that kiss in a romantic way... this is a kiss from Juliet and jack seemed surprised! And on juliet's part i think she kissed him because she possibly knows this is the last time she sees him...and she wants him to know that he's a good guy and to thanks him for being sweet to her and defend her when she was on the beach. I think she really likes Jack and knows that he's unhappy and alone...so she wanted him to feel good. That's my take on this scene.

I think it was a "Awww what the heck I am probably going to die I had better kiss him now" kind of kiss.

Juliet is staking out her territory, to put it simply. I did not like seeing that one bit. then again, Jack is the only one who has been kind to her for years...I'd probably kiss him if I were her!

The kiss was natural, sweet and earned. Jack was clearly worried about her because he cares about her and has developed a strong connection. I think it's been obvious for some time that Juliet has digged the doctor. They've been acting close and chummy for some time considering the way they've hung together, eaten meals, joked and laughed and generally seem to be able to relax in each other's company lately. We've seen the occasional casual touch on Juliet's side too.

So...when she was about to go off and possibly get killed to make amends for being a spy, I think she decided to just let him know she's attracted to him. And he certainly seemed to appreciate it. I also loved how she was the one who helped him with the dynamite. Jack seems to get the right mix of respect and protectiveness when interacting with Juliet and I hope we get to see more of this relationship develop next year.

Juliet is staking out her territory, to put it simply. I did not like seeing that one bit. then again, Jack is the only one who has been kind to her for years...I'd probably kiss him if I were her!

Totally agree, especially since she did it within view of Kate, and oozed with smugness while doing it. And right after essentially taking Kate's place on Sawyer's mission. I have a feeling that Juliet is just using Jack for protection. I'm sure she'll be moving in on Sawyer next season.

I literally said out loud, yes Kate, Juliet and Jack are kissing, what are you so pissed about, you have your gigolo Sawyer, move along please. :rolleyes:
:biglaugh:

Well Jack is so due for some lovin' on the island and Jules took the occasion to make a little bit bold move that, if she returns, is a sort or promise from her of things to come.

I thought her parting remark "Don't wait up" was perfectly in character for her from her slightly flirty, slightly sardonic personality that had come out back in the Hydra.

okay!

I'm in favor of anything Juliet does at this point. She's been trying to work with the Losties. Jack has been getting a cold shoulder from Kate and now when it appears that he's taken Kate wants him? Although I like Juliet, she should be smart enough at this point to know that Kate is what Jack wants. At the first indication of a relationship from her he'd fall into her arms. I sometimes feel like I'm watching a soap opera with all these love triangles.

I, for one, am rooting for Jack and Juliet. I really think they should be together and I cheered when they first kissed. I loved it.

I still don't trust her and couldn't help thinking she was part of the reason for Jack's horrible flash forwards. Her future betrayal could cause some of the mess he ends up in. Notice he didn't call Juliet in the future.

If they are going to be shown as a believable and romantic couple, their first kiss shouldn't have been in front of Kate, or anyone for that matter. It should have been somewhat private... and it wasn't. It seemed out of place and forced. Juliet did it on purpose and surprised Jack. I just don't trust her and I don't like her methods.

If they are going to be shown as a believable and romantic couple, their first kiss shouldn't have been in front of Kate, or anyone for that matter. It should have been somewhat private... and it wasn't. It seemed out of place and forced. Juliet did it on purpose and surprised Jack. I just don't trust her and I don't like her methods.

Well, Jack seemed to like her "methods." Personally, I like the Jack/Juliet interaction, and I can see it developing into a relationship with romantic overtones, if that's the direction the writers will take. I think Juliet is a much better match for Jack than Kate, but again, I'm not one of the writers.

I loved the kiss. I thought it was very sweet and I liked it even more for the lack of melodrama involved. I did hate the fact that Kate was involved at all (much less jealous- you have the man you chose Kate) but I tried to ignore her. I thought it suited them- it was sweet, an adult progression of their relationship as we've seen it but it didn't jump 25 steps- instead it stayed casual, and I thought Jack looked surprised but very pleased. From the look on his face after, the kiss certainly didn't bother him and I loved the way he stared at her as she walked off.

As for Juliet doing it to bother Kate, Kate had walked off with the group; Jack and Juliet stayed behind. The only reason Kate even saw the kiss was because she stopped and turned around to stare at them.

It really surprised me actually, I was really not expecting that. What struck me about it was that it seemed so casual- like a kiss between two people who have been together a long time and are used to giving each other a quick kiss before they go out the door in the morning... It makes me think there's more that's happened between them that we haven't seen?



I noticed that too. But I enjoyed seeing Kate get peed off about it!

I liked this episode because for me, it marked the beginning of the end of the quadrangle. Jack and Kate are friends again, jack isn;t pushing her away and Kate isn;t sucking up to him. They are cool with each other again which I think will bode well for the quadrangle next year because I doubt we will se Kate being so conflicted about her feelings now her and Jack are cool again.

The skate scenes showed me that Kate genuinely is worried and has been worrying about sawyer since he returned, and was willing to discuss their relationship and the preganacy issue. Lots of things to carry the couple into season 4.

And the jacket kiss was a nice suprise, that I think was a mixture of the fact she might not see him again, and wanting to act on feelings she has, and hopes he has as well.

I love Kate's character, but her emotional immaturity is exhausting sometimes, so it's nice to Juliet being forward, showing Jack she has those kind of feelings for him in an emotionally mature manner. I think that she is far more Jack's equal, and the pairing intrigues me. I think that the writers will explore their possible growing feelings for each other next season.

Hell yes, that is a possible script..
That the kiss was so totally a Judas kiss.
That Jack is going to find out Juliet double crossed, triple crossed and quadruple crossed him.
And that the Losties he was "leading" will all turn their backs on him for being so naive.. or otherwise all get killed/captured etc..
You'd grow a beard for much less, you know.

:biggrin:

I thought the kiss was sweet. I like Jack with Juliet because he's relaxed around her and they communicate very much as equals. Best of all, I think we've seen Jack SMILE with Juliet probably more than with everyone else, over the whole duration of the series, put together. Juliet knows that Jack had feelings for Kate, but now that she knows him better, I think she has re-evaluated how deep those feelings might have been.

Juliet is attracted to Jack, and I think she saw this as the perfect opportunity to let him know that. She was about to head off to the beach, so that would give him time to process the new info, i.e. that she's attracted to him, without crowding him or distracting him from the mission. I liked Jack's reaction, somewhat bemused but definitely pleased. I don't think Kate had anything to do with either Juliet kissing him or his reaction. She had walked off some ways, and since neither Juliet nor Jack looked at anyone but each other throughout that scene, Kate would have been completely out of their line of sight.

I think it also sets Juliet and Jack up as a potential couple, and fits with all the couples being separated going into S4. Whereas in previous seasons, we've started with a handful of Losties away and everyone else back "home" on the beach, next year will start with the main group away and only six Losties home on the beach. We'll also have all the couples split up, with Sawyer-Jin-Bernard-Juliet on the beach, and Kate-Sun-Rose-Jack in the away group. (Claire and Charlie were also split up in the finale but, sadly, that split will be permanent.) So the season will probably start with the traditional struggle to re-unite the survivors, and next year that will include re-uniting three couples and one potential couple. Should be interesting to see what Jack does to follow up on that kiss. ;)

well actually I wouldnt call it Jack and Juliet kiss but rather Juliet kissed Jack. She seems to have a crush on him, if it's real and she's not just all fake and acting it, but ack seemed totally surprised it's not as if he held her and kissed her back.

If they are going to be shown as a believable and romantic couple, their first kiss shouldn't have been in front of Kate, or anyone for that matter. .
How do we know it was their first kiss?

well actually I wouldnt call it Jack and Juliet kiss but rather Juliet kissed Jack. She seems to have a crush on him, if it's real and she's not just all fake and acting it, but ack seemed totally surprised it's not as if he held her and kissed her back.

I don't know, looks to me like he's kissing her back:

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I was surprised by the kiss, but my initial impression was that it wasn't the first time they'd kissed because it looked so normal and relaxed, but I'm really not much of a romantic so I can be pretty clueless about these things. Regardless, it was sweet and a nice bookend to a season that started with Jack and Juliet as sworn enemies trying to manipulate one another and like others have said the guy deserved a kiss. It's nice to see a woman that actually appreciates him.

I was surprised and pleased with the kiss too. I'm not a shipper per se and I liked Kate & Jack in the first part of Season 1 but toward the end I was wondering if they were suited and by Season 2 I didn't think they were. Kate is too eager to please Jack probably because she is young. (My guess early to mid 20s). Jack is at least a decade older plus his education, social status and his tendency to try to control everything would work against them big time. I wasn't interested in Juliet at first but she has grown on me. She appears to be better suited to Jack because she is more mature, his equal in terms of education and seems to be able to handle his moods. She nailed him the first time they met when she noted his stubborness. I don't hold her lies against her because she only met most the losties in the past week and has no reason to trust them. If all I know about them came from files the Others put together, I wouldn't be too trusting. The losties include a murderer; con man drug addict and torturer - not exactly the group I would invite for Sunday dinner. In the end, she turned on the Others not the losties. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes if the Others had won and she had to face Ben.

Jack and Juliet just seem more fitting to me... both have professions in the medical field, both intelligent, mature. the same goes for sawyer and kate seeing as they have both have had troublesome pasts and both share what looks to be extensive criminal records. I just hope we don't see Jack being his usual stubborn self and trying to hang onto something that isnt going to workout (i.e. relationship with Kate) and instead realizes what he has right in front of him; an intelligent, caring, and beautiful Juliet!
And i suspect we might see flashbacks to Jacks time with "the others" showing some of his befriending of Juliet... much like how we got to see how Michael was turned against his friends when he was captured by "the good guys"...

I was hoping all along for (at least) a Jack/Juliet kiss! I was so excited to see it and I loved that Juliet was the one to initiate it. Kate is too messed up to be with Jack and Jack is so messed up that he needs someone with more maturity like Juliet. I'll be rewatching the kiss scene over the next 8 months to get me through until February!:kiss:

Will all the education and status matter if they don't leave the island; if they are supposed to be destined to stay there? Only TPTB are the captains of their 'fate and destiny'.

Idk why, but this kiss was extremely creepy. I cringed when I saw it, not because it was suprising, but it was just weird. Juliet still is creepy to me, even though she's not evil (well, probably not).

In my honest opinion..
I believe Jack and Juliets kiss was necessary..
As much as everyone wants to believe that Jack and Juliet are an item, chemistry, blah blah blah, I believe that Jack is simply using Juliet to get answers to the island and then better himself and the Losties.
Again, my opinion, Jack's kiss on Juliet was a kiss of death, such as Judas kissing Jesus to let the Roman empire know who exactly they were to go after..
It may be a long shot, but hell, I've known since day one that Jack is in love with Kate, and the flash forwards prove that.
Jack is simply giving Juliet what she wants (closeness to jack, the leader of the Losties) because thats what Juliets mission was from Ben.

Jack, you sly little dog you!

The more i think about this kiss the more i think there's something like that... i keep thinking she really likes jack but we have to remember that she was at the same time lying to him pretending she knew where to find guns to go back to the camp with Sawyer.
I think kissing him was a good way to make him not thinking to much about what she was doing...i think Ben uses Juliet to seduce jack since day one because he perfectly knows she's really good at it (she even seduces him!) when Kate and sawyer were working she was smiling at sawyer...just before she was smiling and speaking to another guy...and we saw her in Goodwin's bed...
I think that jack really likes Juliet but he's in love with kate as he said to kate just after juliet left (sadly for him kate loves Sawyer)... and i think it's the same for Juliet... she likes jack but she's not in love with him. (i hope we will discover in season 4 that she loves Ben :biggrin: )

I don't hold her lies against her because she only met most the losties in the past week and has no reason to trust them. If all I know about them came from files the Others put together, I wouldn't be too trusting. The losties include a murderer; con man drug addict and torturer - not exactly the group I would invite for Sunday dinner. In the end, she turned on the Others not the losties. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes if the Others had won and she had to face Ben.

I couldn't agree more. I think many people are forgetting that when Juliet went to the beach, the Losties threatened to kill her and torture her while no one except for Jack would even talk to her. You can't blame her if she didn't trust them, especially when she had read their files and knew what these people had done in the past.

I think that jack really likes Juliet but he's in love with kate as he said to kate just after juliet left

He didn't say he was in love with Kate, just like Charlie didn't say he was in love with Hurley.

He told Kate he loved her. He didn't say "I'm in love with you."

Huge difference. Don't read so much into it.

Kate's with Sawyer; why shouldn't Jack move on anyway? He's always had a chemistry and a bond of sorts with Juliet. Remember the scene where she was on 'trial', and how he saved her? Remember how tender he was, rubbing the aloe on her back where she'd been tattooed? Remember how the first thing he asked Kate in Left Behind was, "where's Juliet?"

It isn't something new, or recent; they've had a connection for a while now. I also felt like it wasn't their first kiss; it seemed casual, and comfortable. Even if it was, I liked it!

Also, clearly Jack cares about Kate. That's never been disputed, but I too feel his 'I love you' was more caring and friendly, rather than romantic. I mean, he was sticking up for Sawyer just then, wasn't he?

I for one would be thrilled if Jack were to move on with Juliet, Kate were to stick to Sawyer, and we'd finally put an end to this triangle/ quadrangle nonsense! I like all 4 characters, and I'd just like to see them come to terms with the romantic aspects of their lives.

He didn't say he was in love with Kate, just like Charlie didn't say he was in love with Hurley.

He told Kate he loved her. He didn't say "I'm in love with you."

Huge difference. Don't read so much into it.

I think LOST is not only limited to that episode....we had a triangle since day one...Jack loves kate, sawyer loves kate and kate hesitates (:rolleyes: ) but to me she loves Sawyer. That's why i think that jack is in love with kate, he probably just say "i love you" to stay a little vague...and because he knows that kate is with sawyer. But i find very interesting that he seemed to didn't care at all about Kate suddenly in the middle of this season...and i find it really weird that he just decided to talk to her and be sweet to her again...the minute juliet left on the beach...:rolleyes:
And i'm not saying that because i'm a jater ...because i'm not... i love sawyer and kate together they are just great. But i think Jack loves Kate...we can even see that in the flashforward when he meets her.

Okay. The kiss was sickening. It's not that I'm really all for Kate and Jack, but I just CANNOT stand Juliet. I used to be intrigued by her, at the Hydra, but ever since her jaunt with Kate into the jungle, I can't stand her. I was so HAPPY when Kate worked her and tore her arm out of the socket. I was CHEERING.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Kate, I think she's pretty much a consistent bad guy, but I like the drama between Kate and Jack. I like Jack as a tortured romantic character. I like him wanting what he can't have, and I LOVED the kiss between Jack and Kate. I love that tortured romance thing. I don't want Jack and Kate to live happily ever after, but I wouldn't mind some more action between them.

I liked the tortured Jack from the future, and I like when the man cries. He's just so adorable as a Byronic hero. I don't like it when Juliet gets a piece of that. I would love it if her character gets whacked next season, perticularly in the first episode, please.

Okay. The kiss was sickening. It's not that I'm really all for Kate and Jack, but I just CANNOT stand Juliet. I used to be intrigued by her, at the Hydra, but ever since her jaunt with Kate into the jungle, I can't stand her. I was so HAPPY when Kate worked her and tore her arm out of the socket. I was CHEERING.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Kate, I think she's pretty much a consistent bad guy, but I like the drama between Kate and Jack. I like Jack as a tortured romantic character. I like him wanting what he can't have, and I LOVED the kiss between Jack and Kate. I love that tortured romance thing. I don't want Jack and Kate to live happily ever after, but I wouldn't mind some more action between them.

I liked the tortured Jack from the future, and I like when the man cries. He's just so adorable as a Byronic hero. I don't like it when Juliet gets a piece of that. I would love it if her character gets whacked next season, perticularly in the first episode, please.

ITA! :clapping:

I'm not so sure I trust Juliet's motives for the kiss. Remember, she told Kate that Jack didn't want her to come back for him because she broke his heart. And now Jack says he didn't want Kate to come back because he wanted to protect her. Juliet could have just been honestly confused about Jack's motives, but I tend to think she's up to something. That kiss came conveniently on the heels of Sawyer telling Kate he didn't want her to come with him to the beach.

I'm not so sure I trust Juliet's motives for the kiss. Remember, she told Kate that Jack didn't want her to come back for him because she broke his heart. And now Jack says he didn't want Kate to come back because he wanted to protect her. Juliet could have just been honestly confused about Jack's motives, but I tend to think she's up to something. That kiss came conveniently on the heels of Sawyer telling Kate he didn't want her to come with him to the beach.

You believe Juliet had motives for kissing Jack. But the question then becomes...what could Juliet possibly have stood to gain from it? I don't think Kate factored into it, not a jot. Far as I can tell, Kate has absolutely nothing to do with Juliet and her relationship with Jack. Juliet knew she was about to walk away from him and head off on a possible suicide-mission. She knew there weren't any guns, so she & Sawyer would be arriving at the beach unarmed. If she was heading off to her death...maybe she didn't really have any motives for doing it. Perhaps she didn't stand to gain a darn thing, nor want anything from Jack, other than to finally act on her attraction and share a good kiss with him.

I think some people tend to want to over-complicate that moment because of Juliet's shady past. We trust her, we don't trust her, we sympathize with her, we're suspicious as hell of her...she's a complicated character, no doubt. But I think her kissing Jack was one of the most honest, and simplest moments we've seen from her...not unlike the moment with Ben, when he showed her Rachel on the monitor. Juliet's emotions were stripped bare there, and we could feel it radiating from her...all she wanted in that moment was to be home and with her family again. I think her kissing Jack was a similar situation. She had been spending the past few weeks getting to know him, bonding with him, and there's obviously an attraction growing between them. She knew she was heading off on a dangerous "karma"-laced mission, and knew there was a chance she wouldn't survive it. So she kissed him. Simply because she wanted to. :heart:

The good news is that she survived the beach suicide-mission, and there's a good chance she & Jack will be reunited in S4, so they'll have to deal with that kiss then! :biggrin:

You believe Juliet had motives for kissing Jack. But the question then becomes...what could Juliet possibly have stood to gain from it? I don't think Kate factored into it, not a jot. Far as I can tell, Kate has absolutely nothing to do with Juliet and her relationship with Jack. Juliet knew she was about to walk away from him and head off on a possible suicide-mission. She knew there weren't any guns, so she & Sawyer would be arriving at the beach unarmed. If she was heading off to her death...maybe she didn't really have any motives for doing it. Perhaps she didn't stand to gain a darn thing, nor want anything from Jack, other than to finally act on her attraction and share a good kiss with him.

I think some people tend to want to over-complicate that moment because of Juliet's shady past. We trust her, we don't trust her, we sympathize with her, we're suspicious as hell of her...she's a complicated character, no doubt. But I think her kissing Jack was one of the most honest, and simplest moments we've seen from her...not unlike the moment with Ben, when he showed her Rachel on the monitor. Juliet's emotions were stripped bare there, and we could feel it radiating from her...all she wanted in that moment was to be home and with her family again. I think her kissing Jack was a similar situation. She had been spending the past few weeks getting to know him, bonding with him, and there's obviously an attraction growing between them. She knew she was heading off on a dangerous "karma"-laced mission, and knew there was a chance she wouldn't survive it. So she kissed him. Simply because she wanted to. :heart:



Good post. Well thought out and expressed. I agree with you. Juliet has witnessed Jack's character and courage up close and personal, in stark contrast to what she has witnessed from Ben and the rest of the Others. (They did, essentially kidnap her.) With the time she has spent with Jack while he was a prisoner, she has become attracted to him. Jack has also seen different sides to Juliet. I think that Juliet is simply the type of woman who acts on her feelings and doesn't overthink them to death. She likes Jack; she's attracted to Jack; she wanted to kiss him, and she kissed him. Juliet doesn't complicate things that are, to her, very simple.

Good post. Well thought out and expressed. I agree with you. Juliet has witnessed Jack's character and courage up close and personal, in stark contrast to what she has witnessed from Ben and the rest of the Others. (They did, essentially kidnap her.) With the time she has spent with Jack while he was a prisoner, she has become attracted to him. Jack has also seen different sides to Juliet. I think that Juliet is simply the type of woman who acts on her feelings and doesn't overthink them to death. She likes Jack; she's attracted to Jack; she wanted to kiss him, and she kissed him. Juliet doesn't complicate things that are, to her, very simple.


Wow......I totally agree.

The kiss made perfect sense to me. Emotionally and logically since she was going on a suicide mission and didn't want Jack to worry. Why not act upon her growing feelings of attraction if that was the last time she would see him? I really don't see any rationale for some complicated hidden agenda here.

Sometimes "A kiss is just a kiss, a smile is just a smile..." ;)

I liked the kiss, it was very sweet. :) It didn't look like a first kiss to me - maybe something happend between them during Jack's time with the Others.
I really like Jack and Juliet together and I hope we'll see more of them in season 4! :biggrin:

IMO that kiss was cute but it wasnt a passinote kiss or a kiss that you can say "wow look at them they're in love"
it was a "goodbye and take care" kind of kiss...
i liked juliet's honesty and i liked how surprised jack was looking and once again i enjoyed to watch a jealous kate.
i'm a jater and i personally dont like juliet but at least she is honest about her feelings... so i respect her and i also love EM's acting.
we saw that kate witnessed the kiss and her facial expression was telling all and right after the kiss jack immediatly looked at kate. she was once again jealous of jack and the writers put it there on purpose... to remind us kate's feelings and to show the kiss from her POV...
and in the next scene jack declared his love for kate so i guess that kiss didnt change what he felt for kate...
jack loves kate not juliet. i cant see a happy future for jacket while jack is in love with another woman but who knows what will happen? this is lost.

IMO that kiss was cute but it wasnt a passinote kiss or a kiss that you can say "wow look at them they're in love"
it was a "goodbye and take care" kind of kiss...

I agree althought i'm a skater...;)
i was just thinking about last year season finale....we had this kiss between Charlie and Claire....and that jackett kiss gives me the same impression...
I thought Claire kissed Charlie because he was always there for her and protected her...but i wasn't sure she was in love with him... this kiss , for me , it's the same.
Except that i thought Charlie loved Claire ...i'm not sure jack loves Juliet actually i agree with you he said "i love you" to kate the minute juliet left so ...he's clearly still in love with kate for me. ;)

I am sorry, but if you are going to say that Jack and Juliet's kiss wasn't passionate or romantic and that it was only a friendly kiss, you have to say the exact same thing about Jack's "I love declaration" to Kate. Goodness knows that it certainly wasn't any more passionate or romatic then his kiss or Juliet and I would have to argue that it too was just a commentary on the depth of Jack and Kate's friendship.

Maybe the problem here is that Jack just isn't a very passionate guy--at least not when it comes to women and romance. He certainly seems to be passionate about other things, but romance just never seems to fall on that list.

I am sorry, but if you are going to say that Jack and Juliet's kiss wasn't passionate or romantic and that it was only a friendly kiss, you have to say the exact same thing about Jack's "I love declaration" to Kate.

I don't get why?:confused:
I think the kiss wasn't passionate for sure...romantic...i don't know i think it's open to interpretation...
For the "i love you" scene...my take is Jack knows perfectly Kate doesn't love him, she's with Sawyer and as he loves her he wants her to be happy and is rooting for Sawyer... i think he hasn't given up on her yet but he is in the process...he's trying...

Maybe the problem here is that Jack just isn't a very passionate guy--at least not when it comes to women and romance. He certainly seems to be passionate about other things, but romance just never seems to fall on that list.

I completely agree on that! That's why i think Jack will end up alone...
heroes end up alone...Charlie was a good example this season...
i don't know where to put Desmond...heroe or not? I think he hesistates... lol :biggrin: Penny or being a heroe...for now he chooses to be a hero but maybe he will change? or not?:rolleyes: lol :biggrin: I have more hopes for him than for jack. lol

I am sorry, but if you are going to say that Jack and Juliet's kiss wasn't passionate or romantic and that it was only a friendly kiss, you have to say the exact same thing about Jack's "I love declaration" to Kate. Goodness knows that it certainly wasn't any more passionate or romatic then his kiss or Juliet and I would have to argue that it too was just a commentary on the depth of Jack and Kate's friendship.

Maybe the problem here is that Jack just isn't a very passionate guy--at least not when it comes to women and romance. He certainly seems to be passionate about other things, but romance just never seems to fall on that list.

I don't think the problem is with Jack, but with the situation he's in not really being condusive to romance or passion. His off island relationships have been passionate, but he didn't have smoke monsters and crazy Locke and Ben trying to kill him and his friends.

Jack's ILU to Kate was very sweet and not meant to be passionate, but kind and caring. It was appropriate enough for the circumstances, with just enough of a romantic edge to keep things interesting.

The kiss between Jack and Juliet was also very sweet, but not meant to be passionate. They're in the middle of 40 people with everyone's life in danger. Taking a 5 minute break to swab one another's tonsils would've not only been inapprorpriate it would've been goofy to watch, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a hint of romance there. They are clearly attracted to one another and that wasn't just a kiss between friends, nor did it look like a first kiss to me.

I think its more about people seeing what they want to see and hearing what they want to hear.

Jack loves Kate, Kate loves Jack, Sawyer loves Kate, Kate loves Sawyer, Jack is smitten with Juliet, Juliet is smitten with Jack. Some say there is a Sawyer/Juliet connection going on. I don't see that yet, but who knows, she can definitely match him snark for snark. I think this is why they are dubbing it as a love quadrangle. If love and romance and passion wasn't there, it would just be four people hanging out.

All JMO of course.

I don't think the problem is with Jack, but with the situation he's in not really being condusive to romance or passion. His off island relationships have been passionate, but he didn't have smoke monsters and crazy Locke and Ben trying to kill him and his friends.


I don't agree!
The monster off island was his father (lol :biggrin: ) and each day he had to save people (at the hospital) and he wasn't there for his wife because Jack isn't able to be a simple man in front of a woman he has to play the heroe, he has to fix things. That's why despite being good looking and being a great and intelligent guy he's still alone. And that's why Sarah left him, not for another guy but because of what he's unable to be.
We'll see if he finally be able to be there for juliet in the future...other than to save her life :rolleyes:, something tells me that's it's not gonna work...again.

I'll pass on the debate as to why the ice princess wife left Jack and agree to disagree with you.

I am sorry, but if you are going to say that Jack and Juliet's kiss wasn't passionate or romantic and that it was only a friendly kiss, you have to say the exact same thing about Jack's "I love declaration" to Kate. Goodness knows that it certainly wasn't any more passionate or romatic then his kiss or Juliet and I would have to argue that it too was just a commentary on the depth of Jack and Kate's friendship.

Maybe the problem here is that Jack just isn't a very passionate guy--at least not when it comes to women and romance. He certainly seems to be passionate about other things, but romance just never seems to fall on that list.

i couldnt understand how could you compare "the jacket kiss" and "the ILY scene"... they are totally different scenes...

i didnt say that the kiss was friendly i said it wasnt a passinote kiss... i never said it wasnt romantic i said when you watch that scene you cant say that "they are in love with eachother"... i said it was a cute kiss and it really was... for the first time i admired juliets honesty about her feelings for jack and i really enjoyed that scene...
but my point is, if the writers really wanted to show that in S4 its gonna be jacket they never bothered to put another jealous kate figure on that scene... i mean we already know that she is jealous of jack so what's the point??? they did that on purpose...

i'm a jater but i never said that skate is a friendly relationship and i never denied that jack and juliet have chemistry...

we all have our own reasons to believe the ships that we are supporting and i respect that... but when someone said that "jack and kate kissed but it wasnt a passinote kiss (one of the longest kisses of lost but whatever) and kate didnt like the kiss thats why she ran away" or "jack is like kate's father or like an older brother for her and the love between them is just about friendship" or "jack's ILY was the same as charlie's ILY to hurley"............... it really upsets me...
why???
because i cant understand the denial on that level...
why we are doing this? we have a love trinagle and now a love guadrangle... sawyer loves kate, jack loves kate, kate IMO opinion loves jack but at the same time loves sawyer on a different level, jack likes juliet, juliet likes jack and its fun to watch sawyer and juliet together but they dont have any kind of romantic thing going on between them... at least not yet!
so this is a love quadrangle and the word "love" wasnt put there to show how they love eacother as friends... cant we just accept this fact?

if the writers really wanted to show that in S4 its gonna be jacket they never bothered to put another jealous kate figure on that scene... i mean we already know that she is jealous of jack so what's the point??? they did that on purpose...

I love the beauty of interpretations in lost...lol :biggrin:
Actually, i think the main goal of the writers is to confuse us! :biggrin: That's why Kate watched the kiss between Juliet and jack...to me when you say that she's jealous...this is interpretation... however when she cried and went to Sawyer's tent in (i can't remember the name of the episode) i interpreted her reaction as jealousy.
But in the finale, i don't know i don't see that...

"jack and kate kissed but it wasnt a passinote kiss (one of the longest kisses of lost but whatever) and kate didnt like the kiss thats why she ran away"

Again i think a lot of jaters are considering the Sawyer/Kate kiss forced and i don't think that's denial i think that's a question of perspective... i personnaly think it is the most beautufill kiss ever on a tv show!
The kate/jack kiss i don't see it as a passionate kiss honestly...she was very confused by the situation with Sawyer being so much like her father...when you take the whole meaning of the episode with flashbacks and all...it's all about Sawyer and kate... i understand that people interpreted it differently but i don't think skaters are in denial on this one. Again a question of perspective.


or "jack is like kate's father or like an older brother for her and the love between them is just about friendship"

What's the problem with jack being a good father figure for kate (Sam Austen) and Sawyer being a bad father figure (Wayne) ?



"jack's ILY was the same as charlie's ILY to hurley"

On this one i agree with you! lol :biggrin:


............... it really upsets me...

On my perspective what's upset me is that Ben is never included in this quadrangle thing! lol :biggrin:

The kate/jack kiss i don't see it as a passionate kiss honestly...she was very confused by the situation with Sawyer being so much like her father...when you take the whole meaning of the episode with flashbacks and all...it's all about Sawyer and kate... i understand that people interpreted it differently but i don't think skaters are in denial on this one. Again a question of perspective.



In my opinion, this kiss had nothing to do with Sawyer. She was falling apart, thinking she was losing her mind and there was Jack to comfort her, holding her and telling her everything was going to be okay and in that moment he broke down her natural defenses and she was vulnerable and allowed her feelings for Jack to show and she kissed him because she has feelings for him and because at that moment she needed to show him she had feelings for him. When she pulled away and realized what she had done, that she'd she'd allowed him see her true feelings, allowed him into her heart for that brief moment, she ran away because that's what Kate does, she runs, it's easier than sticking around and dealing with your feelings.

That episode was all about Kate and how Kate deals with relationships and why Kate deals with relationships the way she does. Sawyer and Jack in that episode respresented Wayne and Sam and how Kate sees each man in the two men on the island and how that affects her relationship with each man.

Again JMO.

I'm not gonna answer this because we're off topic and jaters and skaters will never agee on that! And i'm sure you'll agree that we'll never agree on that! lol :biggrin:

I still don't trust her and couldn't help thinking she was part of the reason for Jack's horrible flash forwards. Her future betrayal could cause some of the mess he ends up in. Notice he didn't call Juliet in the future.

But we also see that Jack and Kate don''t have a relationship in the future!
What if one of the main reasons Jack wants to go back to the island is because only a part of the people has left the island?
And what if Juliet is one of those people who had to stay behind for some reason, beyond their control?

And ofcourse Jack tried to make a relationship work with Kate after leaving the island, but it sadly didn't work out, b/c Jack found out that he actually is in love with Juliet.
Kate has moved on after that, but Jack stays alone. Only to want to get back to the island to make things right and get reunited with his soulmate: Juliet.

I admit: it's a theory, but the chemistry between Jack and Juliet has definitely been more convincing than the Kate Jack chemistry (sorry Jaters..)

I didnt care about the kiss. Its so ovbious that Jack and Juliet are using each other,
I think Jack is using Juliet to make Kate jealous. Juliet, doesn't even care, once she gets off the island she's happy.:biggrin:

Kate is torn between Jack and Sawyer. Sorry Kate, can't have both!:biggrin:

In my opinion, this kiss had nothing to do with Sawyer. She was falling apart, thinking she was losing her mind and there was Jack to comfort her, holding her and telling her everything was going to be okay and in that moment he broke down her natural defenses and she was vulnerable and allowed her feelings for Jack to show and she kissed him because she has feelings for him and because at that moment she needed to show him she had feelings for him. When she pulled away and realized what she had done, that she'd she'd allowed him see her true feelings, allowed him into her heart for that brief moment, she ran away because that's what Kate does, she runs, it's easier than sticking around and dealing with your feelings.

That episode was all about Kate and how Kate deals with relationships and why Kate deals with relationships the way she does. Sawyer and Jack in that episode respresented Wayne and Sam and how Kate sees each man in the two men on the island and how that affects her relationship with each man.

Again JMO.

ITA. Very well said.