Do you think it's possible that Charlie designed the Looking Glass, or at least the signal blocking thingy? We know Jack regrets leaving the island, so maybe they found a way to go back and try to stop themselves from leaving? I usually hate these far fetched ideas, but when she said "It was designed by a musician" I immediately thought of Charlie.

i was thinking Geronimo Jackson....

Yeah, that line stood out to me as well. For me, though, it seemed more like confirmation that it had to be Charlie who died - this was his destiny. Of all the survivors, only Charlie could have played that song by ear. It really was his fate to sacrifice himself. :frown:

I had the same weird thought oclor...I dont' know about them coming back and stopping themselves but it was strange...it explains why it had to be Charlie that did it though. That might be all it was but I definitely thought Charlie when she said that.

I think Bonnie meant that she, herself, was a musician. Sort of a comment to redeem herself in Charlie's eyes. She probably knew that he was a musician, and so he would feel some kind of empathy for her in her last moments. It was also a clue for Charlie to be able to decode the lock, since she aparently couldn't just repeat the numbers.

Maybe they changed it at one time so that Charlie would know the code... and maybe they can change it again so that they kill Mikhail and save Charlie, and prevent the signal from being unjammed. Yeah, I'm probably reaching, but who knows.

I think it's pretty obvious that it was Elvis. I mean we all know he's still alive, living on an island somewhere, right? :D

If it was me in Charlie's shoes, I would of immediatly asked "Which part? The verse? Chorus? The bass line or the main vocals?" 'Cause Brian Wilson was crazy on that Pet Sounds record, and it's awesome. It's got tons of stuff going on. Wasn't that thing only like 16 keys? I remember seeing a 16 on there. Some cell phones have the major scale plus 2 notes into the next octave for tones on the keypad buttons. So was this one like all 12 notes then 4 into the next octave? I'll have to rewatch this and listen more carefully to see what's going on.

Anyways, I totally agree that whole "designed by a musician" part was weird. Maybe we'll find out who designed the Looking Glass station next season? Maybe it was Charlie's brother! Boy would that be weird.

This made perfect sense to me and I kicked myself for not thinking of it sooner... I think it also ties in to The Numbers. The part that I didn't "get" was which part of the song should be played in by its beep tones (as was mentioned by someone else.) My first thought would have been the high part to the chorus, "I'm digging that good vibration. It's givin' me ex-cit-tat-ion." It could just as easily have been "Good, good, good, good vibrations" or several other spots.

So, who have we seen in the show who plays the keyboards? Hmmm... Jack plays... we also know that there was a piano in Ben's house on the island, right? Wouldn't HAVE to be a keyboardist but the two often run together.

Note: Remember that the key to Spielberg's "Close Encounters" were the tones that formed a melodic pattern... the scientists were all meeting, learning the Curwen/Kodaly hand-signs to the pitch succession in an effort to better communicate extra-terrestrially...

Charlie is obviously a musician of some definition... there has always been a close corrolary (such as with Albert Schweitzer) between medicine/science and music. It is said that the two have many things in common in terms of brain processing. If we consider that, then Jack programming it in makes the best sense.

On the other hand, any of the scientists could have done it.

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Another thought:

"Good Vibrations" by the Beach Boys is a similar vintage to Petula Clark's "Downtown" and several of the other songs we've heard on the island.

It's also a tongue-in-cheek joke, perhaps, that people are stranded on a beach.... har har

I think that Charlie going back in time to reprogram the code so they couldn't leave the island is waaaay too much of a stretch. I mean, have you ever thought about that?

Okay think of it this way, and for sake of argument we'll assume the part with Charlie is taking place in iteration 1 of the time loop I'm about to describe. It's the only way it can make any sense.

So we'll say they all get off the island, realise they should never have left.

So Charlie manages, somehow, to go back in time and reprogram the keypad to something no one will know but that specific, programmer version of himself..

So in Iteration 2, they never get off the island.

Which means the keyboard was never reprogrammed.

Which means they got off the island in Iteration 3.

Which means they reprogrammed the keypad.

Which means they never got off the island in Iteration 4...

and on and on forever.

i was thinking Geronimo Jackson....:thumbsup: Good theory.

If Charlie had created / programmed it, it would've bee Oasis, not the Beach Boys. ;)

I think no matter what, we all agree that her saying "it was designed by a musician" was a little weird. It had to have hinted at something. We will probably be going over the history of the island in more of an in depth way during the upcoming seasons. The 4-toed statue, black rock, ect ect, and probably how and why all these hatches were made by the DI. That's when I think we'll see which musician designed this.

If it was me in Charlie's shoes, I would of immediatly asked "Which part? The verse? Chorus? The bass line or the main vocals?"I thought the same thing. As a musician, myself, I would have ended up spending an hour at that keypad trying to figure out which chunk of "Good Vibrations" to put in, and that would be after figuring out how the keys of the number pad correspond to pitches.

That's why I don't think any more will be made of the concept -- because it wasn't very realistically executed in the first place. I agree with the poster who suggested that it was just TPTB's way of bringing it home that it had to be another musician, Charlie, who did the deed and saved the day.

I thought the same thing. As a musician, myself, I would have ended up spending an hour at that keypad trying to figure out which chunk of "Good Vibrations" to put in, and that would be after figuring out how the keys of the number pad correspond to pitches.

That's why I don't think any more will be made of the concept -- because it wasn't very realistically executed in the first place.

You see but that's another reason I thought it was designed by Charlie. If he designed it, then he knows which part to pick. That is very far fetched though.

Another explanation as to how he could have known what part of the song she was talking about would be that he heard her say the first couple of numbers and remembered those. He then made the sounds those numbers make in his head and figured out what part its for.

I think no matter what, we all agree that her saying "it was designed by a musician" was a little weird. It had to have hinted at something. We will probably be going over the history of the island in more of an in depth way during the upcoming seasons. The 4-toed statue, black rock, ect ect, and probably how and why all these hatches were made by the DI. That's when I think we'll see which musician designed this.

Oh I admit it's significant, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Charlie who programmed it. What I'm disputing is that he programs it so they can't get off the island.

I do, however, think Charlie programmed it. Or maybe Liam...which adds more questions...

Yeah, that line stood out to me as well. For me, though, it seemed more like confirmation that it had to be Charlie who died - this was his destiny. Of all the survivors, only Charlie could have played that song by ear. It really was his fate to sacrifice himself. :frown:

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i was thinking Geronimo Jackson....
Unless... Charlie IS Geronimo Jackson!!!
Although seriously, Charlie's middle name is Heironymous, from which the name Geronimo is derived.

I think Bonnie meant that she, herself, was a musician. Sort of a comment to redeem herself in Charlie's eyes. She probably knew that he was a musician, and so he would feel some kind of empathy for her in her last moments. It was also a clue for Charlie to be able to decode the lock, since she aparently couldn't just repeat the numbers.

I think you have a great theory there. What adds to that is how pissed off she was when he was singing. With Charlie singing, she probably thought of how she loved it when she was off the island (that's if she was ever off the island). And being there not doing what she loved made her miserable. So Charlie singing could have reminded her of what she had or could have had, but instead, she's taking orders from some fool. And she despises it. Therefore, the beating she kept giving Charlie. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's plausible. But why would she have anything to do with making up the password? She is afterall taking orders. So there's no superiority there.

Who programmed the code on the hatch? They said it was a musician? Was it Charlie's brother? or was it Charlie himself not knowing what he was doing?

For some reason Charlie's brother popped into my mind also when they said this

I dunno the song and the time period the song was from reeks of Dharma to me. That whole hippy/60's vibe.

Maybe it was Geronimo Jackson hehe :biggrin:

It was obviously neither Charlei or his brother. I mean, come on, there not the only musicians in the world!

There's millions of musicians around the world.

My first thought that the dead girl in the Looking Glass hatch was who the living girl was talking about. It sounded like she was mourning her friend.

I mean, you can be an extra hot underwater assassin and still be a musician...

Jack does play piano though...

I think it was just to make Charlie the perfect person to be there to do that job at that time.
Thing is, he plunked out a melody from the middle of the Good Vibrations song, not the beginning or the chorus. Weird....

cool theory but a bit odd. Still, if there is a curious time loop/'nuther dimension that has Charlie programming the code that would be a trip...

:thumbsup: Good theory.

If Charlie had created / programmed it, it would've bee Oasis, not the Beach Boys. ;)


Good call. It would've been something from Wonderwall, "you're gonna be the one that saves me"

I just think it was a fate thing. The musician sent to unravel the code left by an earlier musician. I think the song used, Good Vibrations, while probably having another meaning, is also an indication that this programming took place many years ago. Of course it could just have been the musician's favorite, but I think it does date the programming.

Great, now I've got Wonderwall in my head.......

There's millions of musicians around the world.

True, but everything in LOST seems to have a connection with the characters.

cool theory but a bit odd. Still, if there is a curious time loop/'nuther dimension that has Charlie programming the code that would be a trip...
That was my first thought.

there's a slight possibillity that the musician who programmed the code may be Charlie's brother Liam.

I soooo love the Geronimo Jackson idea! Brilliant!

This was definitely one of the more cryptic lines in the final episode. Very interesting stuff.

I thought of Geronimo Jackson, too.

Also consider that she started reciting the code to him... once you start hitting those buttons and you know the song it's refering to, it's a lot easier to pick which part and how it should go.

Add me to the list of those that think that the "musician" thing was just to show us that it HAD to be Charlie, no one else, to swim down there. It made Charlie a hero, and made his death even more meaningful.

Yeah, that line stood out to me as well. For me, though, it seemed more like confirmation that it had to be Charlie who died - this was his destiny. Of all the survivors, only Charlie could have played that song by ear. It really was his fate to sacrifice himself. :frown:

This is what I thought. The actual musician will probably never be revealed, or at least not for a while, but she said it to show why it had to be Charlie.

True, but everything in LOST seems to have a connection with the characters.

That's one of two misconceptions about Lost that people on here seem to have. The other being that everything we see poses a new mystery. Many things are just as they seem.

I thought the same thing. As a musician, myself, I would have ended up spending an hour at that keypad trying to figure out which chunk of "Good Vibrations" to put in, and that would be after figuring out how the keys of the number pad correspond to pitches.



Yeah...and it didn't help that the 1 was the same pitch as the 4!. Still, suspension of disbelief is what you need when you're watching a show about crash survivors being preyed on by a cult run by an invisible man - not unlike a so-called religion I can think of.

Do you mean to say in a time line that Charlie from the past (or future?) programmed the code so that Charlie from the present could push it in one last time?

Not so weird. He had written the first few numbers -- that was enough musically to indicate that it was the "gotta keep those a-lovin good vibrations a-happenin with her" part of the song. Knowing it was "Good Vibrations" for a fact makes it possible to name that tune in 3 notes.

good point kitten. charlie wrote down the first few notes when bonnie said them (545345), which would clearly indicate the code is the verse, not the chorus. charlie would have picked up on that immediately. i can, for instance, tell that the "good-good-good-good vibrations part is 5673345.
the fact that i can easily do this means that you don't even have to be a musician to play the code (i'm not). anyone who knows their "do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do" could do it. it was also super easy because the key tones actually corresponded with the notes (which doesn't happen for instance on a phone).
however, making the code a song really seemed to suggest that it was charlie's destiny to turn off the jamming equipment. it reminded me of goonies when the chick had to play the notes on the bone organ in order to let the goonies pass through to the hidden treasure.

i agree that when she said it was a song that most likely charlie is the only one who could have done it by ears, and affirmed that it was indeed his destiny to die

Do you think it's possible that Charlie designed the Looking Glass, or at least the signal blocking thingy? We know Jack regrets leaving the island, so maybe they found a way to go back and try to stop themselves from leaving? I usually hate these far fetched ideas, but when she said "It was designed by a musician" I immediately thought of Charlie.

I was thinking the same thing. And yes I hate it too when I go out there. I think that there is one huge time loop we are not privvy to.

Do you think it's possible that Charlie designed the Looking Glass, or at least the signal blocking thingy? We know Jack regrets leaving the island, so maybe they found a way to go back and try to stop themselves from leaving? I usually hate these far fetched ideas, but when she said "It was designed by a musician" I immediately thought of Charlie.

Not trying to be overly picky but the blond "other" said "it was programmed by a musician" not designed by a musician. I don't think there's any way that Charlie could have designed the station.

I agree with a previous post that she was trying to evoke some sympanthy for herself in Charlie's eyes by drawing a parallel between herself and Charlie both understanding music.

good point kitten. charlie wrote down the first few notes when bonnie said them (545345), which would clearly indicate the code is the verse, not the chorus. charlie would have picked up on that immediately. i can, for instance, tell that the "good-good-good-good vibrations part is 5673345.
the fact that i can easily do this means that you don't even have to be a musician to play the code (i'm not). anyone who knows their "do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do" could do it. it was also super easy because the key tones actually corresponded with the notes (which doesn't happen for instance on a phone).
however, making the code a song really seemed to suggest that it was charlie's destiny to turn off the jamming equipment. it reminded me of goonies when the chick had to play the notes on the bone organ in order to let the goonies pass through to the hidden treasure.
Actually in watching him carefully, the numbers he's punching at the end don't correspond to the notes of the tune in order. Also, if he started on #5, the skip down a musical sixth for "those" lovin-good would go below 1. But what the heck -- they had two weeks to film a two-hour finale so if they didn't require Dom to master the number sequence I can let it go. It was a good tie-in to his destiny as being the one who was meant to do this.

For those complaining about not knowing where to start, remember Bonnie gave Charlie the first few notes (he remembered the 5-4-5-5). The instant he hit those is was real obvious the song started from the beginning.

The thing that suprised me is that he got the sequence right first time. Even a qualified musician would make a few errors to start with to get it exactly right !

The thing that suprised me is that he got the sequence right first time. Even a qualified musician would make a few errors to start with to get it exactly right !
Nah, it's not that difficult to a person who's constantly air-strumming or plunking out every melody that pops into their head, like most musicians unconsciously do. Charlie was definitely that kind of musician -- remember his exchange with Eko:
Charlie, do you know "How they Got the Hatch Door Open?"
Charlie: No, but if you can hum it, I can play it.

The thing that suprised me is that he got the sequence right first time. Even a qualified musician would make a few errors to start with to get it exactly right !

Any musician with good relative pitch could do it, given he knew where to start and knew or guessed what kind of scale the buttons were arranged in.
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Actually in watching him carefully, the numbers he's punching at the end don't correspond to the notes of the tune in order. Also, if he started on #5, the skip down a musical sixth for "those" lovin-good would go below 1. But what the heck -- they had two weeks to film a two-hour finale so if they didn't require Dom to master the number sequence I can let it go. It was a good tie-in to his destiny as being the one who was meant to do this.

Yeah, I noticed that too. The notes kind of jumped all around relative to the buttons. :redface: