Are Missing Pieces the mobisodes...I just watched one on V-cast with Jack and Christian the day of Jack's wedding.

I am not sure what I watched but it was cool and it was called Lost: Missing Pieces...never saw or heards of it before...but there it was to watch on my phone...about 2:45

cheers

Haven't heard of Missing Pieces. Was it the scene from "Do No Harm" by the pool? If it was, then it's not the Mobisodes; the Mobisodes will be new content.

Here's a bit from a new interview (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/11/05/the_writer_s_strike_from_an_actor_s_pers) with Michael Emerson about the writers' strike, regarding the Mobisodes:


It started with Jack throwing stones into the ocean and then Cristian shows up and gives him his grandfather's watch. They basically talk about marriage and being a father.

I have never seen it before and have to idea where it would fit into an episode even as a deleted scene.

cheers

It started with Jack throwing stones into the ocean and then Cristian shows up and gives him his grandfather's watch. They basically talk about marriage and being a father.

I have never seen it before and have to idea where it would fit into an episode even as a deleted scene.

cheers

I think that was a deleted scene from Do No Harm. It wasn't in the DVDs, but on a dvd that came with one of those behind the scenes/companion books (?). I think I saw it on youtube awhile back.


ETA: Ok, I was thinking of this scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoSwqFpvQqM). Sorry.

Somebody filmed (!) it off their phone and made it available at http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-1-missing-pieces-watch.html! :thumbsup:
I think this is strange: As far as I kow there was no press release, e.g., to announce and promote this. How come?

I saw it. Interesting but I was under the impress that the mobisodes would involve Hurely finding a video camera or something. This was a deleted scene or something like it. Still, it's better than no LOST!

Somebody filmed (!) it off their phone and made it available at http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-1-missing-pieces-watch.html! :thumbsup:
I think this is strange: As far as I kow there was no press release, e.g., to announce and promote this. How come?That is awesome! Thanks for that. It also helps me like Christian a bit more. ;)

Also, isn't Verizon supposed to be airing them? I have Verizon and haven't seen them offered yet. I have VCast so I should be able to get it but so far there is no listing for ABC at all.

Somebody filmed (!) it off their phone and made it available at http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-1-missing-pieces-watch.html! :thumbsup:
I think this is strange: As far as I kow there was no press release, e.g., to announce and promote this. How come?

Maybe the strike was a big issues, that nobody bothered to promote it and all, and the focus was on that. Still I'm a big upset they didn't promote it enough.

I saw it. Interesting but I was under the impress that the mobisodes would involve Hurely finding a video camera or something. This was a deleted scene or something like it. Still, it's better than no LOST!

I agree it seemed like a deleted scene, I hope the mobisodes are new content and not deleted scenes, not that I dont mind.

Are the mobisodes going to be just scenes from flashbacks or will we get some Island stuff too.

It wasn't a deleted scene read below.

You can get them on ABC's website starting Monday 11/12. http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=missingpieces

Lost: Missing Pieces are 13 two-to three-minute stories of compelling, new, never-before-seen moments from LOST. These newly-created scenes (not deleted scenes from previous episodes) reveal answers and new details about your favorite characters. For each story, we leave it up to the you, the fans, to figure out where these pieces fit into the overall mythology. Watch new episodes on ABC.com

scarlos, thanks for tracking that down. That page certainly clears up a lot. Yay!

It wasn't a deleted scene read below.

You can get them on ABC's website starting Monday 11/12. http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=missingpieces

Lost: Missing Pieces are 13 two-to three-minute stories of compelling, new, never-before-seen moments from LOST. These newly-created scenes (not deleted scenes from previous episodes) reveal answers and new details about your favorite characters. For each story, we leave it up to the you, the fans, to figure out where these pieces fit into the overall mythology. Watch new episodes on ABC.com

Thanks for that, that clears up everything.

Hopefully they can show us what Claire, Sun, Jin got up too in episodes when we didn't appear.

Looking forward to the rest of them, and seeing the other characters and perhaps recurring characters like Danielle, Rose, Bernard etc.

Yeah, that is totally bizarre. I just double checked on ABC Medianet. Nice to see a new scene though, but I was sorta hoping for new new.

I know what you mean, more Lost Moments like in season 3 would of been better. Still its new and It should help the last 3 months with No Lost.

i like the mobisode concept better than the Lost Moments, just because with the lost moments, people kind of complained every time we didnt get something amazing. With these its a seperate story and should be fun while we wait, besides waiting impatiently for a week than being let down by a stinky moment.

i like the mobisode concept better than the Lost Moments, just because with the lost moments, people kind of complained every time we didnt get something amazing. With these its a seperate story and should be fun while we wait, besides waiting impatiently for a week than being let down by a stinky moment.
Yeah, I'm interested to see what kind of story develops. What could they be setting up with that first one, though? Something to do with the watch? :undecide:

Someone at DarkUFO brought this up in the comments: Is the watch the same one Jack has to surrender at airport secuity in Locke's dream from "Further Instructions"? I'd always womndered what that was supposed to symbolize, and I guess we can say now the watch represents, among other things, his father's approval and "the right choice" in love interest at least from Christian's perspective.

Episode 1 - "The Watch" (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index) is up on abc.com now! :cool:

OK, now I have Verizon and I have VCast and I still cannot find these mobisodes ... not under ABC or under any other categories they list. :confused: This is really frustrating!

I haven't seen too many comments about the Mobisodes, so I thought I would throw this out for you all...

Look at the watch that Christian gives to Jack... It's the same watch that Jack gives to Hurley during the Pilot episode so that Hurley can time Claire's contractions.

My guess and prediction is that somehow, that watch is going to come into play with the Jack / Claire shenanigans...

Hot damn, is it nice to see new footage...especially Foxy and JT! Sadly I'm at work and can't get the sound up, but good catch on the watch being the one Jack gives Hurley, Miscreant! I wonder if Mr. Paik's watches have anything to do with this. Possible Paik/Christian connection?

Hey, great catch with the "contraction watch"! I wonder what ever happened to it after all the chaos died down after the crash. I don't think Hurley would've kept it, so I guess Jack probably just decided it was no longer necessary on the Island.

Hm, I don't know what Paik's watches could have to do with Christian's, at least directly. I do think that these watches will somehow play into the larger theme of time on the show, though.

Look at the watch that Christian gives to Jack... It's the same watch that Jack gives to Hurley during the Pilot episode so that Hurley can time Claire's contractions.


But is it?

Jack's worn a different watch in every single on of his grownup flashbacks AND in Locke's vision (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/The%20Shirts/NavyShirt.jpg). He wore it in MOSMOF, which chronologically is before Do No Harm, where this scenes fits in, timelinewise. [will add screencaps as soon as I find them]

So it makes no sense that they're telling me this is the same watch, but then again, they're letting us "decide" where these mobisodes fit in into the mythology, so it's just something to pass the hiatus ultimately.

I missed John Terry. Him and Matthew Fox are so good on screen together.

I agree Jack wore several different watches. I just haven't had the time to find them. I do remeber the one with a black leather strap.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74761&fullsize=1 This watch in To2C

I agree Jack wore several different watches. I just haven't had the time to find them. I do remeber the one with a black leather strap.
That's rather interesting (I think, anyway)...because
in the Season 4 promo, Sayid is shown with a black leather strap watch on his left wrist...
Or maybe it's nothing...IDK...

I don't know about any of the other watches, but I do think it's the same one from "Pilot Part 1 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-72.html)", and definitely the one from "Do No Harm (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-364-164.html)." I didn't find any really good caps, but it looks like it could also be the one from "MoS,MoF (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-648-109.html)"; but if that's the case, then either we're looking too far into it, they screwed up the continuity, or there's something really strange going on with time lines. ;)

then either we're looking too far into it, they screwed up the continuity

They've been sloppy with props, but this is only a two minute clip, it's not that hard to keep track of a prop you've been keeping track of very consistently for THREE years. The watch Jack gave Hurley so he can time his nephew's kicking and squirming is the same one he wore in Man Of Science Man Of Faith, Do No Harm (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S1/Do%20No%20Harm/donoharm168.jpg)(before the wedding), A Tale Of Two Cities (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_0793-Ar.jpg), All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S1/All%20the%20Best%20Cowboys%20Have%20Daddy%20Issues/daddy-issues0494.jpg) and Locke's vision (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Further%20Instructions/Lost_3x03_FurtherInstructions_0577-.jpg)in that episode in season three. They've been using it from 2004 to 2007 with remarkable consistence.

There's nothing wrong with the timeline, IMO, but it never hurts to throw in a little something to keep people over the hiatus so I guess they figured we'd make this connection (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Watch.jpg). I'm still anxiously waiting to find The Lost Experience in the actual show, so I'm a little reticent to take into account non-eps, aside from the general background info. I think it's very fitting for Christian that he had daddy issues of his own, for instance.

I'm obviously a huge nerd for knowing all this, but I figured I'm in good company. :biggrin:

They've been sloppy with props, but this is only a two minute clip, it's not that hard to keep track of a prop you've been keeping track of very consistently for THREE years. The watch Jack gave Hurley so he can time his nephew's kicking and squirming is the same one he wore in Man Of Science Man Of Faith, Do No Harm (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S1/Do%20No%20Harm/donoharm168.jpg)(before the wedding), A Tale Of Two Cities (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Tale%20of%202%20Cities/Lost_3x01_ATaleOfTwoCities_0793-Ar.jpg), All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S1/All%20the%20Best%20Cowboys%20Have%20Daddy%20Issues/daddy-issues0494.jpg) and Locke's vision (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Ep%20Caps%20S3/Further%20Instructions/Lost_3x03_FurtherInstructions_0577-.jpg)in that episode in season three. They've been using it from 2004 to 2007 with remarkable consistence.
Well, that's why I bring it up; they seem to have been consistent with it during all of those episodes. Then, they say it was given to Jack after the events of MosMoF. So, if it's the same one in MoSMoF, then there is some sort of discrepancy- time line, continuity, or otherwise.

I'm obviously a huge nerd for knowing all this, but I figured I'm in good company. :biggrin: Oh yeah! :biggrin:

Well, that's why I bring it up; they seem to have been consistent with it during all of those episodes. Then, they say it was given to Jack after the events of MosMoF.

Not really, because this is not the same watch. The one in the mobisode has golden little stripes while the one Jack always wears and gave to Hurley in the Pilot is silver with a different design.

Am I seeing things? :eek2: I don't have screencaps of the mobisode...

Not really, because this is not the same watch. The one in the mobisode has golden little stripes while the one Jack always wears and gave to Hurley in the Pilot is silver with a different design.
Ah, I see where you were coming from. I thought it was the same one; the band looked silver to me and the face appeared to have the same look. But now that I look at it again, it's harder to tell. Hm.

Well, if it's not the same watch, then maybe it's less likely that they're focusing on the importance of the item itself as a potential plot device, but rather as reference to the motif of time in general, and simply an object that has symbolic and sentimental value.

well it seems like this may jacks only good memory of his old man.

The Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28qi0cXggxE)

At least he has one. It is a pretty great scene considering who his father is!

first batch of posts has been moved. will pick up the rest from the spoiler section (as long as they don't contain other spoilers) later today if another mod doesn't get them first. Sam G, I am going to test out a little mod trick that I've been dying to try later this evening to see if I can cheat and make your post first so the link is up there.

ETA: I added the 107 to the title just to reflect that for some reason, the Missing Pieces index shows that as the number for this one, rather than 1. I don't know if that means they're not being shown in the order they were filmed, or what.

I've talked about this in so many places now, I'm confused.

I'm kinda ridiculously happy to see a season 4 section though. It makes February seem so much closer.

well it seems like this may jacks only good memory of his old man.

In hindsight, it really is like anything else in their relationship: bittersweet.

Christian means well and the great tragedy of their bond is that he truly loved his son. He's a major failure as a parent though. Even here, he continues the dysfunctional family tradition with: "Ugh... your grandpa hated your mom and didn't trust me to make my own decisions. This always reminded me of it. Here, have a family heirloom!"

I find it interesting that Christian praises Jack for the very thing he berrated him as a child: his CHOICES. He's afraid of making those choices and terrified of failure because of Christian and when daddy approves of a choice he's made, he's so relieved and grateful. I didn't hear it the first time around, but Jack actually says "Thank you", doesn't he? This was really wonderfully played by both. I missed John Terry. I'm glad they're taking every available opportunity to have him back.

I think the crucial refeence here is Ben forcing Jack to remove his watch in Locke's vision from "Further Instructions." I couldn't quite figure it out other than interpreting that to be Ben stripping Jack of something -- perhaps his free will to do the surgery.

Now with this added layer, that the watch can symbolize Jack's choices in love, we can reinterpret the vision as Ben using that choice against Jack: on the Island, Jack chose to be with Kate, but Ben robbed him of the fruits of making that choice when he engineered the Hydra imprisonment so Kate and Sawyer would be together.

I think the crucial refeence here is Ben forcing Jack to remove his watch in Locke's vision from "Further Instructions." I couldn't quite figure it out other than interpreting that to be Ben stripping Jack of something -- perhaps his free will to do the surgery.

Now with this added layer, that the watch can symbolize Jack's choices in love, we can reinterpret the vision as Ben using that choice against Jack: on the Island, Jack chose to be with Kate, but Ben robbed him of the fruits of making that choice when he engineered the Hydra imprisonment so Kate and Sawyer would be together.Interesting stuff, CR, interesting stuff. I like the idea of Jack's watch symbolizing his Free Will and ability to Choose - and Ben taking it away. That's very interesting, IMHO.

When I think back to the scenes about the surgery, I see a lot of layers and a lot of possibilities - especially behind Ben's comments and decisions. Really, Jack HAD to do the surgery. Ben manipulated the situation so that Jack didn't have a Choice - or, rather, he had a Choice, but it was a Choice where one of the options was definitely not something that Jack would let happen. Ben knew that Jack would not let Sawyer die or put Kate in any harm.

However, the way that Ben said what he said to Jack, kind of made it seem like he was trying to make the situation look different than it really was - although Jack obviously knew that Ben was controlling the situation and did what he did (the surgery) because Sawyer would be killed otherwise.

I guess that the irony is that Jack DID still, literally have a Choice when it was all about to happen, but Ben definitely set it up so that he (Jack) was looking at one of the Choices being something that he never would have picked all details being the same...

But...if you are giving someone the option of two things and you are 99% sure that they're going to pick option A over option B, is that really giving someone a true Choice? What if you are 100% sure that they'll pick one thing over the other one?

I think the crucial refeence here is Ben forcing Jack to remove his watch in Locke's vision from "Further Instructions." I couldn't quite figure it out other than interpreting that to be Ben stripping Jack of something -- perhaps his free will to do the surgery.

Now with this added layer, that the watch can symbolize Jack's choices in love, we can reinterpret the vision as Ben using that choice against Jack: on the Island, Jack chose to be with Kate, but Ben robbed him of the fruits of making that choice when he engineered the Hydra imprisonment so Kate and Sawyer would be together.


I really love the way you worded this! Thanks.

Doc

Just thinking outloud here...

If the JKS love triangle was important to Ben in and upon itself, why didn't Ben want Kate and Jack to be together? If this is true, then he really, really, really didn't want Jack and Kate to be together. Why? Seemingly, according to this scenario, Ben is in possession of a lot of information about JKS, including emotions and all that that hasn't been necessarily spoken outloud by J, K or S. He'd be reading their minds to have all of this information. Is Smokey helping him? I don't think that he could know all of this deep stuff without reading their minds. The cameras and microphones in the jungle wouldn't get him this much. If this is true, then Ben is more powerful than we've ever thought...

whispers

I went to the ABC site and of course the player didnt work. Then I tried youtube and of course they removed the 1st 5 videos I tried.

Then I finally got to watch when I tried the 6th one and it was a complete waste of time.

Sorry you feel that way, Steve

surely the similarities to the white rabbit from alice in wonderland were intentional

white handkerchief and watch ?

white hanky + watch = white rabbit

brilliant black lotus, just brilliant :)

white hanky + watch = white rabbit

brilliant black lotus, just brilliant :)I agree, jane-eris, I agree!

Now, what do we infer from this nice bit of information? That Christian is or was once connected to whatever and whomever is behind all of this Island stuff?

Juliet drinking the oj with the tranquilizers to get to the Island reminds me of Alice in Wonderland eating the things that she did...

The door that Sayid found that he originally thought was fake might be real and lead to something...

Just looking at a summary of Through the Looking Glass - I love the similar ideas and themes...opposites and time running backwards...the main characters of the story being pawns in a bigger "game"...

Glad we finally got a separate thread for the mobisodes! :cheer:
I loved this one. It's so poignant and really explains a lot about Christian.
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I was able to save this episode to my computer and realized that the number of the epi was 107 (I now notice that in the title of this thread). This made me think that maybe we should be thinking that these numbers of the episode will correlate to make a whole picture - sort of like the Lost Experience. I dunno. It was just something I thought of and wondered if someone else had thought that too.

whispers

I didn't notice that, jane, but I did notice Christian squeezing Jack's shoulder like he did when he did in ATBCHDI. Anytime we've seen him use that gesture, it was to manipulate but I didn't get that feelilng this time.

I'll reserve judgement on these until more come out, but the first one was kind of 'blah'. If they wanted to provoke more discussion/interest, I'd love to see some of these clips be vague as to whether they're a 'flashback' or a 'flash-forward' now that they used that motif in S3.

Omigosh, Christian squeezed Jack's shoulder? I'm going to have to watch that again.

So here's all of Jack's flashback episodes in chronological order, and I placed the first webisode where I think it goes:

Jackbacks
S02E01 - Man Of Science, Man Of Faith - Jack saves Sarah
S01E20 - Do No Harm - Jack marries Sarah
S04WEB01 - Christian gives Jack the watch on his wedding day
S02E11 - Hunting Party- Jack's marriage to Sarah ends
S03E01 - Tale Of Two Cities - Jack thinks Christian is sleeping with Sarah
S03E09 - Stranger In A Strange Land - Jack in Thialand
S01E11 - Cowboys - Jack reports Christian
S01E05 - White Rabbit - Jack goes to Australia
S01E01 - Pilot Part 1 - Plane crash from Jack's perspective
S03E22- Through the Looking Glass - suicidal Jack after being rescued

Goodfellow, thanks for that! The chronological order of the fb's, imo, varies widely from the chronological order of events. But your list helps ever so much...
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Omigosh, Christian squeezed Jack's shoulder? I'm going to have to watch that again. I agree that the "shoulder squeezing" is semi-significant (as a sign of false um.. empathy?), but I'm not convinced that Jack has the shoulder 'deformity' that others have claimed to see.
Jane, why did this interest you so much?

whispers

Jane, thanks for that wonderful analysis; it's spot on, imo.

I've never seen a Jack/Christian scene that I didn't love.
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Jackbacks
S02E11 - Hunting Party- Jack's marriage to Sarah ends
S03E01 - Tale Of Two Cities - Jack thinks Christian is sleeping with Sarah
S03E09 - Stranger In A Strange Land - Jack in Thailand
S01E11 - Cowboys - Jack reports Christian
S01E05 - White Rabbit - Jack goes to Australia


I've been rewatching and analyzing the jackbacks. The Lostpedia dates for Jack's events (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jack) look decent, near as I can tell and gives the same sequence as you. We know he got his his first tattoo (and imo learned a little Portuguese) in Phuket, apparently in the winter of 2003-2004. Then through July he was busy stalking Sarah, doing super-surgeries, dealing with Dad's drinking, etc. In September he was off to OZ.
Wonder when and why he got his 2nd and 3rd sets of tattoos? I know LA has tattoo parlors, it just seems like an odd thing for Jack to do, in the midst of all that other stuff.
He's not exactly an impulsive guy...
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I think the crucial reference here is Ben forcing Jack to remove his watch in Locke's vision from "Further Instructions." I couldn't quite figure it out other than interpreting that to be Ben stripping Jack of something -- perhaps his free will to do the surgery.

Now with this added layer, that the watch can symbolize Jack's choices in love, we can reinterpret the vision as Ben using that choice against Jack: r.
Kudos, CR!

I agree, lostmio, that the Jack and Christian scenes are great - and intense...a lot of great acting and, IMHO, a lot of the show's mythology is in them...

I agree, lostmio, that the Jack and Christian scenes are great - and intense...a lot of great acting and, IMHO, a lot of the show's mythology is in them...

Well, the writers do like their daddy issues and most of humanity's greatest seminal stories are built around this journey. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child..."

They lucked out with John Terry as much as they did with Michael Emerson, imo. I don't think a less charismatic actor would have played such an important part in the story and returned as often.


Jackbacks
S01E05 - White Rabbit - Young Jack fails to save Marc Silverman, gets hero lecture from Dad
S02E01 - Man Of Science, Man Of Faith - Jack saves Sarah and meets Des
S01E20 - Do No Harm - Poolside chat with Dad
S04WEB01 - Christian gives Jack the watch on his wedding day
S01E20 - Do No Harm - Jack marries Sarah
S02E11 - Hunting Party- Jack's marriage to Sarah ends
S03E01 - Tale Of Two Cities - Jack thinks Christian is sleeping with Sarah
S03E09 - Stranger In A Strange Land - Jack in Thailand
S01E11 - Cowboys - Jack reports Christian
S01E05 - White Rabbit - Jack goes to Australia
S01E01 - Pilot Part 1 - Plane crash from Jack's perspective
S03E22- Through the Looking Glass - suicidal Jack after being rescued

I think that's about right.


I don't think Christian is being false in this beach scene. I think he's being genuine, and he has truly touched Jack. Which makes the deception in the hospital all the more painful for Jack. Tragic, really.

It's what makes their story so touching. I think Christian was genuine and he wanted to help Jack and not be like his own father. He also acknowledges his failures as a parent, which is interesting and reminds me of his scene with Claire in Par Avion.

Does anyone know if Do No Harm and Par Avion happen more or less in the same timeframe? Christian seems to be in a good place, wanting to help both his kids (in his own unique way, of course) and acknowledging his failures to both Jack and Claire. Claire is supposed to be 20 in the Pilot script so she'd be around 18 here. Was she supposed to be a lot younger in her Goth days?

I was just watching Do No Harm again, and one line in particular stuck out for me:

Christian: Commitment is what makes you tick.

That's a good one, jane...is it all just one big reference to the importance of time on the show? Is Christian's giving of the watch in the mobisode symbolizing that he's giving Jack more time? Time to do what?

Time to go back to the Island and set things right?

But what about Christian's idea that neither he nor Jack should have to think that they should save everyone? What about the Carol Burnett Show? Just kidding...

Ironically, I think that Christian's insistence on this idea actually made Jack realize that the opposite of his dad's mantra is where people live and learn the most...

whispers

We have confirmed by Darlton that "lost time" is an important concept. But with all our time theories, I've never quite been able to figure out what specific time has been lost? Is it meanigful time with loved ones?

Cardie

Maybe these Missing Pieces are lost in time. ..

What an intriguing notion. I like it, especially since Hurley says Jack looks "goth" in Do No Harm.

The delicious irony is that Claire got the chance to apologize to her mother, but Jack never got the chance to reconcile with his father.

Yeah, somehow I doubt whatever comfort he got from knowing his dad didn't hate him after all (from Exodus) was enough, but I can't wait until he finds out about Claire and Aaron. They're another type of family connection, something he got from Christian and this time it's without the sense of "we're too screwed up to give decent wedding gifts".

I don't really think the timeline fits, but Christian was late for Jack's wedding and never called to tell him he'd be late so I thought it would be cool if he was late because of what happened in Australia.

We have confirmed by Darlton that "lost time" is an important concept. But with all our time theories, I've never quite been able to figure out what specific time has been lost? Is it meanigful time with loved ones?

I like that better than any timeloop theory actually. It reminds me of Ana's mother telling her to come home and stop running.

i just have to say, having even a smidgen of lost back is fantastic. the best part is reading a thread like this and realizing just how much may have been communicated in a mere two minutes. i get chills reading some of the posts.

We have confirmed by Darlton that "lost time" is an important concept. But with all our time theories, I've never quite been able to figure out what specific time has been lost? Is it meanigful time with loved ones?

CardieI think that it might be more on an actual lost time angle, like someone has taken away memories from the Losties. I don't think that it's happened in a situation where the Losties have been strapped down in a sci-fi way to a table and electrodes were put on their heads, etc. I think that when there has been some kind of time manipulation, the people doing the time manipulation are changing certain events and that effectively erases things that have happened. As a result, certain "points in time" have been LOST...

Maybe these Missing Pieces are lost in time. Especially this one. Imagine, the first flashback which isn't being actively remembered on the Island.That's a really good idea, jane. To connect my post above this one with what you said, that would be cool if the Missing Pieces videos are situaitons that have been erased as a result of time manipulation...

i just have to say, having even a smidgen of lost back is fantastic. the best part is reading a thread like this and realizing just how much may have been communicated in a mere two minutes. i get chills reading some of the posts.I agree, sandiego6656! It's exciting to know that we're going to get some answers to some questions soon...relatively speaking, that is...

As Doc Suds and I have both pointed out, Lost does everything at least twice.

Two prominent watches. Both watches go from a powerful father figure to a son figure, then to another Lostie:

1. Paik - Jin - Michael

Paik gave watches to Jin, to deliver to associates in Sydney and LA. The number of Sydney bound watches is unknown but apparently delivery was made. Only one watch was LA bound, and that assignment was important enough fthat Paik sent a henchman to threaten Jin. We don't know what Paik's main concern was: the watch, Jin's subordination, or Jin's placement on 815. Sun later called it "a matter of honor".
At any rate, the watch played a crucial role in S1 dynamics. Michael commented on the ridiculousness of his taking the watch, since "time doesn't matter on a damn island".

2. Christian - Jack - Hurley

Jack gave Hurley the watch to time Claire's contractions. Hurley held on to the watch, even as he ran and fell, after the wing collapsed.
Was this mere foreshadowing of the Jack-Claire connection? Or was it a "place marker" for the watch, meaning the watch will eventually hold some plot significance, and the writers can say "see, we planned this all along, we showed you this watch, way back in the pilot"?
Although less screen time was spent on this watch than Jin's, its prominent placement early in the pilot signifies importance.


Will there turn out to be a concrete plot connection between the two watches?
Or is the connection more symbolic?
Or are both watches simply teasers for the not-yet-revealed role that time plays? Maybe Michael was wrong and time does matter on this damn island.

If this is Jack's second time through the loop, he knows his father is full of it. That's the look on Jack's face when he puts his sunglasses back on.

I forgot that we have seen Jack with a watch (though he wasn't wearing it) on the island after he gives it to Hurley.

In The Long Con he uses one to take Sun's pulse (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h93/Carrielynne2323/LOST%20Promo%20Pics%20S2/celebrity_city_Lost_Promos_Seaso-15.jpg), though I can't tell if it's the same watch he gave Hurley.

According to LP the watch is a rolex and remarkably similar to the watch that Jin was carrying to LA. I can't find a screenshot anywhere, but that is pretty interesting.

I'm having trouble with these mobisodes. Every time I try to watch them on ABC.com nothing happens. It just says "Your video is loading" and it never comes up. Any ideas?

I'm having trouble with these mobisodes. Every time I try to watch them on ABC.com nothing happens. It just says "Your video is loading" and it never comes up. Any ideas?

Look at the top of your browser window below the toolbars, it may be that your security settings are blocking ABC's player. If so, you will get a message saying that the site is trying to run a program / ActiveX control and that you should click the message for more info. You may then be prompted to make a choice to allow the control to run.

If this is not the case, search on the ABC site for a link to report technical problems, they might be able to help you.

THanks for the help, Ill check that out. One question though...do you mean that little off-white bar that pops up which notifies you of the problem you described? Run Active X control, etc, and allow the stuff to come through? If so, thats not the case....there doesnt appear to be a pop-up blockage going on...I'll keep poking around..and Ill try the help option.

Sometimes your media player is outmoded and won't run the video. When I downloaded DivX I had much better luck with streaming videos.

Cardie

Maybe this has less to do with the watch than it does Jack, Christian, and another Lost Mindfuck.

Maybe:

1) Christian was a piss-poor dad to Jack (White Rabbit) and Claire (inferred from Claire's mother saying he was dead, Par Avion).

2) Christian becomes sober and attempts to become a better man.

3) Christian admits he was a poor father to Jack, gives his blessing of Sarah, and has the moment in The Watch. He tells Jack more than once that he believes Jack can be a better man than he is. ("Be a better father," Jack made the right choice, unlike Christian.)

4) Christian puts his arm around Jack and tries to keep him grounded with an impossible surgery and an extremely attractive woman. Christian imparts what he knows and tries to guide Jack despite the patient confirming 2)'s prediction that Jack would surpass Christian. (The Hunting Party)

5) Christian advises Jack on his obsession with Sarah, and attempts to straighten him out by talking some sense into him. Christian also gives Jack great advice.

Jack repays Christian by barging in on his AA meeting and, while Christian begs him to stop, destroys an addicts one sanctuary, driving Christian back to alcoholism. (Tale of Two Cities)

6) Maybe the nurse did not think Christian was impaired during surgery, and simply asked the better doctor (Jack) into the room. Maybe Jack blamed Christian for the patient's death, when the facts were closer to Christian's testimony.

Maybe Christian simply realized that, as an alcoholic, the mere accusation of alcohol would end his career. He essentially said this in effect.

And, again, Christian tells Jack he's the better man, surgeon, and son. Jack gets his teary-face because hearing that a half dozen times hasn't been enough. (White Rabbit)

7) Christian, betrayed by his son and realizing he will never make up for his mistakes in Jack's eyes, nor even have a career to live for, dives back into alcohol. While drunk, he decides to seek Claire and make up for his wrongs. He meets an out of work cop and offers her some cash, realizing searching for his daughter in another country while drinking himself to death is insane if somehow touching. Or maybe he just wanted to help a sister out. Unfortunately, again, Christian is an alcoholic, and this ends badly. (Two for the Road)

8) Jack doesn't care until he's such an *** his own mother calls him an ***. Jack's mother reiterates how proud Christian was of him. Then Jack goes to Australia so he can be an *** to some hotel and airline employees. (White Rabbit)

Maybe this Lost short simply shows that Jack and Christian's relationship wasn't what we thought it was. Maybe Christian tried to become a good man while Jack became a bad one.

Maybe:

Christian really was drunk and his hands really were shaking or otherwise he wouldn't have lied and manipulated his son into lying for him for no good reason.

Jack repays Christian by barging in on his AA meeting and, while Christian begs him to stop, destroys an addicts one sanctuary, driving Christian back to alcoholism. (Tale of Two Cities)

Isn't that against the most basic principles of AA though? Taking responsibility for your own actions, nobody else is to blame for your drinking problem but yourself, etc?


And, again, Christian tells Jack he's the better man, surgeon, and son. Jack gets his teary-face because hearing that a half dozen times hasn't been enough. (White Rabbit)

I'm pretty sure he never heard that in WR and he only heard it indirectly through Sawyer after his father was long dead.

7) Christian, betrayed by his son

Wasn't that the other way around in ATBCHDI? Who lied to whom?

8) Jack doesn't care until he's such an *** his own mother calls him an ***. Jack's mother reiterates how proud Christian was of him.

When she tells him "Your father was right about you" in that icy tone? And was that what you mean by she called him an ***? Cause the two are just incompatible.

Maybe this Lost short simply shows that Jack and Christian's relationship wasn't what we thought it was. Maybe Christian tried to become a good man while Jack became a bad one.

I love Christian very much and I think it's fascinating that so many have this desire to see him as simply misunderstood, but... you know... He defines himself so well in that bar scene in Outlaws, I really don't feel like there's anything else left to say.

Good post, Claudia. I agree. Although Jack certainly has his share of flaws, he does not have wonderful parents.

Margo is without a doubt a cold, icy woman who seems to have no problem dumping her husband's problems firmly on the shoulders of her son. "Your father was right about you." That's a mother I wouldn't wish on anyone. If Jack has any more flashbacks in season four, I would love to see something about his relationship with his mother. We no nothing about her. The father/son angle has certainly been covered.

As for Christian's drinking, he definitely needs to take responsibility for his own drinking problems. It's also true that Jack never knew about his father's feelings of love and respect for him until after the man was long gone, and through a third party, no less. Even in this mobisode, Christian appears kind and nurturing, but we know he's going to turn in the upcoming episodes. I think it would be a nightmare for a son (or anyone) to live on that emotional rollercoaster and never knowing which father you're going to get from moment to moment.

I would have liked to have seen a reconciliation of sorts between father and son before Christian's death. Oh well.

Does anybody know what brand the sunglasses are?

Good post, Claudia. I agree. Although Jack certainly has his share of flaws, he does not have wonderful parents.

Margo is without a doubt a cold, icy woman who seems to have no problem dumping her husband's problems firmly on the shoulders of her son. "Your father was right about you." That's a mother I wouldn't wish on anyone. If Jack has any more flashbacks in season four, I would love to see something about his relationship with his mother. We no nothing about her. The father/son angle has certainly been covered.

As for Christian's drinking, he definitely needs to take responsibility for his own drinking problems. It's also true that Jack never knew about his father's feelings of love and respect for him until after the man was long gone, and through a third party, no less. Even in this mobisode, Christian appears kind and nurturing, but we know he's going to turn in the upcoming episodes. I think it would be a nightmare for a son (or anyone) to live on that emotional rollercoaster and never knowing which father you're going to get from moment to moment.

I would have liked to have seen a reconciliation of sorts between father and son before Christian's death. Oh well.


Maxum,

I agree with Claudia's and your posts. That's quite a stretch to show what a "big meanie" Jack is and what a great dad Christian was???!;)

Doc

Does anybody know what brand the sunglasses are?

Nobody?

I do think Christian was making an attempt to reconcile and be a better father, as hotsun said, but you're painting Jack out to be someone he's not. It's not really Lostian fashion to label characters either good or bad and just be done with it. Both men have faults and good qualities, and both were at fault for the deterioration of their relationship.

After seeing this mobisode I'm sure I'm noticing watches more than I normally would (!), but I've been going back through S1 and noticed that in Special, when the nanny gives the box of letters to Michael and she says, "I think Walt should have these", they seem to focus on her handing it over, including showing the big, chunky watch on her right wrist. It's interesting that it figures so prominently in the shot, and unless she's a lefty it's not too common for a watch to be on the right arm (though actually I wear mine that way :rolleyes:). It doesn't look exactly like Jack's, but...

The conspiracy geek in me says maybe she's a Dharma minder or time cop-type person there to watch Walt or to influence things somehow (c'mon, a blood disorder suddenly activating and killing Walt's mother within a week?)...

The lost gallery didn't have a shot, but this is a good one:
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=296

I'm also posting this in the rewind for Special - hope that's legal? :hypocrit:

Above, I said:

Two prominent watches. Both watches go from a powerful father figure to a son figure, then to another Lostie:

1. Paik - Jin - Michael

2. Christian - Jack - Hurley After seeing the final mobisode, I think the implied paths might be:

Watch 1
1. Paik (Jin's father-in-law)
2. Jin ( really just a courier? or did Paik intentionally give him the watch)
3. (Michael, temporary detour from the family line)
4. Baby Sunette

Watch 2
1. Christian's father (Jacob?)
2. Christian
3. Jack
4. (Hurley, temporary detour, to time Claire's contractions)
5. Aaron Shephard

Aaron and Baby Sunette will either be Adam and Eve, or the Messiah and the anti-Messiah..

spoilerish:
Aaron was conceived off-island, born on island.
Sunette was conceived on-island, looks like she might be born off-island.

I'm pretty sure these two family lines tie into Adam and Eve, somehow. Adam and Eve might really have lived in the past.

Do the two watches mean Paik had a long ago connection with Jacob or Christian? If so, did they part amicably? Will Sunette be "special"? Two family lines - will they merge or battle? And who is Jin's real father, why is he being kept a mystery?

To date, Michael's been more or less presented as the "worst" of the Losties, and Hurley as the "best" of the Losties. Michael murdered Hurley's gal and had some strong chemistry going with Sun, which was confirmed in their joint Mobisode. So their presence in the watch paths is interesting. However, either or both characters can turn on a dime...

Aaron and Baby Sunette will either be Adam and Eve, or the Messiah and the anti-Messiah...What about factoring in the fact that Aaron can't be raised by another/ an Other? If it happens to him, will it lead him on the path to being the Anti-Messiah? Scarey...

What about factoring in the fact that Aaron can't be raised by another/ an Other? If it happens to him, will it lead him on the path to being the Anti-Messiah? Scarey...

Junie, I think this is exactly the scenario we're supposed to consider, as indicated by Malkin's warnings, including:

This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you... danger surrounds this baby...

In addition, we have Charlie's visions and dreams about Aaron..

"Danger surrounds this baby" sounds more like he would be a victim than the anti-Messiah.

Cardie

For anyone who's as OCD about Lost as I am, Carlton described the watch in detail in the script (available in the latest edition of the LOST magazine): "a very worn but classic 1955 vintage Rolex gold Oyster watch".