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The Adventures of Hurley and Frogurt

It is basically a conversation between Hurley and a guy named Neil that Hurley calls Frogurt. They discuss Libby and how Frogurt wants Hurley to step back so he can take a shot at her.

I am pretty sure this takes place just a few hours before Libby is shot.

Just found this on Neil.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Neil

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Looks like frogurt is getting more interesting, as promised. Alas, though, I will not be able to see it until monday when they post it on abc.com.

Is it necessary to spoiler font this? I'd think that since this is the place to discuss the mobisodes, their content doesn't have to be spoiler fonted.

I like that we are seeing Frogurt without having to waste precious minutes during the regular episodes. Hopefully they'll do more on these in the future.

I agree, you don't need to spoiler font these.

Oliverqueen, as soon as the video shows up will you put the link in your 1st post?

That way it's easy to find.

ah, the mysterious Frogurt finally appears.

Removed the spoiler font...and as soon as I see a link available I'll add it to my first post.

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Wow Frogurt finally makes his appearence. They did say we would see him sometime. I really would kill for Libby to appear in one of them, which is doubtful.

This could well be set during S.O.S or sometime between Libby seeing Ana in Two For The Road and Hurley taking Libby on the date.

damn it sucks not having broadband.. cant watch them :(

#2 just got posted on V-Cast

The Adventures of Hurley and Frogurt

It is basically a conversation between Hurley and a guy named Neil that Hurley calls Frogurt. They discuss Libby and how Frogurt wants Hurley to step back so he can take a shot at her.

I am pretty sure this takes place just a few hours before Libby is shot.


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It suddenly occured to me that I should probably start a new thread for the second episode...so I'll do that now.

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wasn't Frogurt in an episode last year? I think when they made the SOS he helped.

Frogurt! How random! Can't wait to see this when it shows up online next week. I wonder what we are supposed to glean from this about Hurley and/or Libby?

Nice way to remind us of Libby's existence, for when we see her again in S4!

I may be jaded, but I don't feel very excited about Frogurt (LOL). Then again, I haven't viewed this one yet.

I may be jaded, but I don't feel very excited about Frogurt (LOL). Then again, I haven't viewed this one yet.

Really? That suprises me for some reason. I think probably because I've always thought Frogurt seemed like good comedic relief. Can't wait to see it.

Yes, Frogurt was mentioned, don't know if we ever really saw him.

I found it a bit disappointing, to be honest. The first one didn't reveal anything Earth-shattering, but it told us something about Jack and Christian and gave us another potential Watch clue. This one just tells us that Frogurt was a prat and that Hurley may or may not have stolen the wine that Libby told him about.

And the tone of the conversation, considering it's an hour or two at most before Libby is killed, is just sad, really.

I liked it; I liked the way Hurley faced that git down, at least. Although I have to agree with Lucidity on one count: the timing was off, considering the poor woman died hours later! But then, I guess Hurley and Frogurt didn't know that at the time, did they? :)

But the writers did. And that's what I find slightly unsavoury. Couldn't they have had a similar confrontation but not referenced the fact that it was at practically the same time as her death?

Unless, of course, that's relevant ? ? ?

Welll, I liked the first one better.

I think the creepy music turned me off on this one, If I had been reading the dialogue with no other context, I would have pictured the intention to be bittersweet: Hurley showing that no matter Frogurt's preconceptions, he was the guy Libby chose, and all of us knowing what would come next. I would have also thought there was some comedic intent to the scene.

But, the intense music made it seem like a big confrontation, sort of like the verbal spats Locke and Jack used to have but without all the yelling. More than the fact that I knew the outcome after that scene, what turned me off was the menancing tone of the music and the intensity of the Frogurt guy. At one point, I thought he was going to pull a knife a lá West Side Story...

neil time

Pretty whack.......... Frogurt's a pest. Nothing memorable.

Frogurt reminds me of Steve Buscemi. (This almost has the feel of a Hurley Dream.)

I was bit dissapointed with neil maybe its just i assumed that frogart would be different maybe a bit nice, didnt realise he was gonna be bad guy-esque. but as we allknow the saying assuming makes an *** out of U and ME.

Yeah, MOC...I am just not interested enough to view it. Frogurt...ho hum (LOL).

Maybe I am just getting disenchanted with the entertainment industry ruse/hype, in general...

Or maybe I am just mourning the loss of Vicki/Save The Humans...

Which is quite ironic...considering her love of LOST...

On a good note, I still love LOST...

Yeah, MOC...I am just not interested enough to view it. Frogurt...ho hum (LOL).

Maybe I am just getting disenchanted with the entertainment industry ruse/hype, in general...

Or maybe I am just mourning the loss of Vicki/Save The Humans...

Which is quite ironic...considering her love of LOST...

On a good note, I still love LOST...

Understood, my friend! All of the above reasons are completely understandable. (Not that it matters what I think!!!) :hug:

This missing piece also has a time reference. "It's Neil time, now and forever."

Two mobisodes, two time references. Methinks something is afoot.

I think that's what I'll take from it. :)

...i assumed that frogart would be different maybe a bit nice, didnt realise he was gonna be bad guy-esque. but as we allknow the saying assuming makes an *** out of U and ME.

I'll be U and U be ME. :biggrin: I was surprised at Frogurt's unsavoriness. He is clearly lowfat plain Frogurt and not Cream Top Vanilla.

IF I didn't know that Frogurt really existed...I would have thought this was just all in Hurley's head ala Dave.

Maybe it was just me.

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Not just you, oliver. I had that feeling too. I think the music encouraged that feeling, it's the same music when Hurley dreams of talking in Korean.

Well, I would have much rather had his story (not just this snippet) than Pikki's, that's for sure. I liked how they made him out to be a dog. I liked the time reference too and Hurley's getting one up on ol' Neil.
Like most of you, though, I didn't understand the music or why they set the scene right before Libby was killed. That part was confusing.

My impression was that it felt like one of those "standoffs", kind of Clint Eastwood western like. Just needed that "doo-da-doo-da-doo, waaah waaah waaah" theme in the background. I loved it and Jorge does look ready to "corpse" at the end.

The guy playing Froghurt was the one who played the first "fan" of the "Oneders" in "That Thing You Do". It didn't come off very well in the filming but he appears in other projects to be absolutely tiny both in height and frame. To have this tiny little chihauhau facing off against bulldog Hurley is funny, to me. And good on Hurley for standing his ground. B+

all a dream

I didn't think of those parallels, jane but you make a good point. I think it's interesting that they've made Frogurt like another Randy and not a "good" guy.

I don't know...huuum I know these mobisodes are supposed to be new stuff, specially produced etc. but I have this funny feeling that this was cut out of the aired epi. TPTB did mentioned a Frogurt was going to show up, and he didn't, so maybe they just cut out the scene and are airing it now... so, we learned that Hurley could have lifted the wine, and there were more guys interested in Libby. Nothing groundbreaking there...

How about the fact that no matter where Hurley goes, there's always a "Randy" around?

How about the fact that no matter where Hurley goes, there's always a "Randy" around?

Wherever any of us go, there's always Randy around, Guin ;) .

i remember TPTB saying that he maybe showing up in this next season. so i reckon this is just their way of introducing him like paulo and nicki style but hopefully not as dodgy. although first impressions seem to be putting me off im sure i will like him as a character to hate i.e. sawyer style in season 1 especially now sawyer is so loved and increasingly not offensive or bad to the camp. i think he may be filling in his shoes although this season we will have alot of bad people to hate anyway.

Sounds like mixed emotions. As a fan I am curious to see them both. I see "The Watch" is up on abc.com, but I don't see the Frogurt one. Does anyone have this and willing to email it, or are they hosting it anywhere? I noticed that youtube yanked it.

I think someone else said it here--if I didn't know that Frogurt was a real character I would come away from this mobisode thinking Hurley was imagining it a la Dave. It just seemed so campy and Frogurt was doing his best Steve Buscemi imitation right down to the whiny nasally insults like someone else said.
Maybe this is paving the way for a future episode where Hurley's grip on reality is again called into question.

Hey, I'm not complaining about the mobisode, it just seemed so different in style and tone from the Jack/Christian one preceding it. Love anything new however.

I am anxious to see it on ABC and see if the background noise is reduced so that we can get a better feel for the scene.

As others have suggested, I think there's something to the fact that this guy is a Randy-esque jerk. Randy through the use of his jerkiness pushed Hurley into quitting, and the same guy through the same techniques made sure Locke went on to Australia to the walkabout. I think this Randy fella may be working for an outside agency, explaining the creepy music, to influence certain characters to do things, in this case getting Hurley to get it on with Libby. I think Libby might be an agent as well.

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I haven't seen it but I've read remarks that "It's Neil time! Now and forever!" is said with emphasis??

There are a lot of "Neil's" but one of the first that popped into my mind was Neil Gaiman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman), the comic and also sci-fi & fantasy novel writer whose works usually deal with the type of things hinted about in Lost. His latest book, Interworld, deals with parallel realities. I'm fairly sure that some of his works must have dealt with time issues, that would be right up his alley.
edit: Gaiman wrote some Babylon 5 episodes, too.

We've been told that these mobispodes are missing pieces to the Lost puzzle. I don't expect big revelations but surely they have to mean something, and the only part that seems to point anywhere is the Neil time reference..

Something worth mentioning:

While these are both different episodes, they both have a similar theme - pointless optimism.
1. In "The Watch," Christian (who is usually a jerk to Jack) finally said
something encouraging - "You have made the absolute ... right decision."
2. Hurley was finally able to stand up to a Randy-style jerk, and say he is dating Libby.

The problem with these two encouraging points, they don't work out. While Jack's marriage fails, Hurley's girlfriend doesn't survive a continued relationship with him.

Which brings us to a similar theme - Season 3 Finale seems optimistic because it seems as though our Losties finally are winning and getting rescued. Unfortunately, something is not right - while at least Jack and Kate finally get rescued, you could tell something did not go right. Before the last flash-forward, there was pointless optimism because something did not go right.

I did not write this from my own ideas, but from to the TailSection (http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-news/putting-together-the-missing-p-1.php).

I haven't seen it but I've read remarks that "It's Neil time! Now and forever!" is said with emphasis??

There are a lot of "Neil's" but one of the first that popped into my mind was Neil Gaiman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman), the comic and also sci-fi & fantasy novel writer whose works usually deal with the type of things hinted about in Lost. His latest book, Interworld, deals with parallel realities. I'm fairly sure that some of his works must have dealt with time issues, that would be right up his alley.
edit: Gaiman wrote some Babylon 5 episodes, too.

We've been told that these mobispodes are missing pieces to the Lost puzzle. I don't expect big revelations but surely they have to mean something, and the only part that seems to point anywhere is the Neil time reference..

interesting
i also looked for something about the name neil but found nothing much

i agree it seems to point towards the time thing
now if the mobisodes lead us to some more insight about how time works on lost then that will be a decent pay-off

whispers

I saw this on another site so I can't take credit "neil time" = "time line".

Here we go again with the time line theories! I love it!

Does anyone know when this is supposed to be up on ABC?

It's up now, finally!

I saw this on another site so I can't take credit "neil time" = "time line".

Here we go again with the time line theories! I love it!

thats got to be it !

Does anyone else think that Frogurt looks like Sean Whalen (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0923490/)? I've been searching and searching my memory files and Frogurt reminded me of someone I had seen before and then I remembered the guy that worked with Drew Barrymore's character in "Never Been Kissed".

(Oh, I see Lostpedia has also placed Frogurt as Sean Whalen.)

It's Sean Whalen, he's listed in the credits over at abc.com (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=missingpiecescredits#t=0&d=56823):

Episode 103 - Hurley and Frogurt

Jorge Garcia as Hurley
Sean Whalen as Frogurt
Music by: Michael Giacchino
Costume Designer: Roland Sanchez
Edited by: Robert Florio, A.C.E.
Production Designer: James Newport
Director of Photography: Michael Bonvillain, A.S.C.
Executive Producers: J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Jack Bender, Carlton Cuse
Co-Executive Producers: Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz, Drew Goddard, Stephen Williams, Jean Higgins
Supervising Producer: Elizabeth Sarnoff
Producers: Ra'uf Glasgow, Pat Churchill
Co-Producers: Richard Peter Schroer, Brian K. Vaughn, Samantha Thomas
Executive Story Editor: Christina M. Kim
Associate Producer: Kaleen Yamase
Created by Jeffrey Lieber and J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof
Written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz
Directed by Jack Bender

Oh, and here's the direct link to the mobisode (http://ll.media.abc.com/video/flv/426x240/LOST_103_HurleyandFrogurt_MissingPieces_HD_1473195 .flv).

I hate that actor!

Not really hate, but it seems his characters are always "snarky", so when I saw him, I immediately hated him.
It was a good scene, but I also get the feeling that these are just cutting room floor fodder and not really new, new.
I think they should have been chapters. Something leading up to something, making us really gritting our teeth to see where the story went.

The problem is, 2 minutes just isn't enough time. Those Star Wars Clone Wars took 3 minutes and at least had enough time to make something count.

It's almost like a LOST PSA like the OFFICE did.

"Jack....just don't make the same mistakes I did."

THE MORE YOU KNOW....Duhn, duhn, duhn, duhnnnnnnnnnn

I don't know if it mean anything but this one is numbered 103. The first episode was numbered 107. Being "missing pieces", I thought that maybe when all the mobisodes are up, there will be a puzzle solved or it will all point to something significant or more significant that time references. Just a thought...

I don't know if it mean anything but this one is numbered 103. The first episode was numbered 107. Being "missing pieces", I thought that maybe when all the mobisodes are up, there will be a puzzle solved or it will all point to something significant or more significant that time references. Just a thought...

I'm thinking that they are being aired out of order. Like 'The Watch' was the 7th mobisode shot, but was the first one aired for some reason. :shrug:

Does anyone know if you can enlarge the screen when watching at abc.com? Thanks.

I'm thinking that they are being aired out of order. Like 'The Watch' was the 7th mobisode shot, but was the first one aired for some reason. :shrug:

The show tends to take us to different points in time, all the time. Past, present and now the future. I like the idea of the "missing pieces" being put up out of order. Not sure of their reasons, but certainly I can't wait for the next one.

Oh, I like the Neil Gaiman reference, good catch lostmio!

Now that I've seen the mobisode, I have to say that "It's Neil time!" is ironic, because it's obviously so NOT Neil time..
Gaiman's a good think for Lost topics, though! (and off-topic, he wrote the screenplay adaptation for Beowulf, which just opened)

I think it's interesting that Hurley is the one who makes Sawyer stop using nicknames but has no problem calling Neil "Frogurt". I personally look forward to Sawyer's imaginative names!

I liked this scene. It's exactly how I want to see the redshirt characters, and about all I want to see of them. Do I want to see more of Frogurt? Not really. Am I glad he had a scene though? Yes. In this way he takes no time from the main characters in full episodes.

Reggie,
I'm not sure that Neil's "Frogurt" nickname came from Hurley. I know that Bernard called him that because Neil had a frozen yogurt business back in the world. For all we know, that is Sawyer's name for him. Also, Hurley is a nickname too. I think he just wanted to Sawyer to stop the denigrating nicknames such as Babar and stuff like that. He didn't realize they were terms of affection in the only way Sawyer knew to express it at the time.

okay, the neil time = time line thing is sort of creepy, because it's the exact issue i thought might be crucial about this mini epi. i'm not a fan of the time loop theory (i'm not even sure what it is), but there is one point in the island time line that i've always felt was really screwed up and reveals that time is not passing normally for everyone on the island. the point i'm talking about is the day libby is shot. i don't remember exactly how it went right now, but i remember it was very disconcerting. in essence, libby and ana lucia were shot in the day, while libby was going back to the hatch to retrieve a blanket (exactly when this epi occurs). but then there are night scenes before Libby dies. It's day again (presumably the following morning) when kate tells hurley what happened to libby. it's never made sense to me that libby disappeared almost 24 hours and hurley hadn't even come to the hatch looking for her. when he asked kate if she'd seen libby, it seems like she's only been gone a short time. it almost seemed that time was passing differently for each person on the island. it's completely confused me. now i'm going to rewatch those episodes so i can put this clip into better perspective.

lol, Babar


this board gets more epic by the hour.

"It's Neil-time, now and forever."

That's true, Jane but Darlton has said that they weren't going to take the "It's all a dream" route. They said they felt it would be cheating the audience.

oopsie

I dunno, I tend to think Lost is a story, not a puzzle.
Viewers will be able to follow and understand the story without viewing these missing Verizon pieces, which - much as I enjoy them - are a marketing tool and revenue enhancer.

Just imo..

They also said there was no time travel.

Actually, no, that's not really what Damon Lindelof said! Here is the complete quote:

"I can say that there will be other mystery things arising that will make the 'monster' pale in comparison to what you're going to want to find out. We're still trying to be firmly ensconced in the world of science fact. I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function in. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and being in a place where they probably shouldn't be, but nothing is flat out impossible. There are no spaceships, there isn't any time travel."

As for the rest: I totally agree with lostmio. ;)

They also said there was no time travel. They have many bridges to sell.

They are all liars! Do not believe one word they say about their masterpiece.

What do you expect? They did create Ben, but they only lie in Cyberspace.
The net must be fed.
The only thing that is still a mystery on broadcast TV is the cloud, everything else is net food.
2 worlds, the 1st, the net, maybe 500,000 players.
The 2nd 14 to 20 million viewers, broadcast tv. The 500,000 are the Guinea Pigs.
If we like it, then, perhaps so will the tv viewer, we have awesome power, use it well.

I think Lost is a story and a puzzle.

I think the creepy music turned me off on this one, If I had been reading the dialogue with no other context, I would have pictured the intention to be bittersweet: Hurley showing that no matter Frogurt's preconceptions, he was the guy Libby chose, and all of us knowing what would come next. I would have also thought there was some comedic intent to the scene.

But, the intense music made it seem like a big confrontation, sort of like the verbal spats Locke and Jack used to have but without all the yelling. More than the fact that I knew the outcome after that scene, what turned me off was the menancing tone of the music and the intensity of the Frogurt guy. At one point, I thought he was going to pull a knife a lá West Side Story... Yes, the creepy music seemed out of place for the conversation taking place, and it would have been more lighthearted. It was as if the music was reflecting what would happen to Libby, and that made the whole scene have a misplaced tone.

Wherever any of us go, there's always Randy around, Guin ;) . Ain't that the truth.

I think it's interesting that Hurley is the one who makes Sawyer stop using nicknames but has no problem calling Neil "Frogurt". I personally look forward to Sawyer's imaginative names!
I wonder who coined the nickname Frogurt. In SOS they were saying he sold frozen yogurt so it really could have been anyone. At least we got to see more of a known extra without sucking up screen time in the episodes like Pikki did. But why are the "redshirts" so confrontational? Heh - I'd think they'd be happy to get speaking roles. (OK, well, Pikki were never in the show before last season and hired for those new roles, but boy were they cranky.)

I did like the observations that have been made on how ironic these mobisodes are - now with the Jack/Ben chess game as well - that things don't turn out as planned in the mobisode scenes and life's irony is cruel.

I think Neil is mean and creepy, and had Libby survived, there is NO WAY she'd pick Neil over Hurley - ever!! I really hope he's not around a lot in Season 4! "Neil time, now and forever"???...............PLEASE!!!

I think Neil is mean and creepy, and had Libby survived, there is NO WAY she'd pick Neil over Hurley - ever!! I really hope he's not around a lot in Season 4! "Neil time, now and forever"???...............PLEASE!!!

He's going after Kate, now, Doc..... :biggrin:

He's going after Kate, now, Doc..... :biggrin:

:rotflmao2: Could be, CL, could be. That would explain Kate's obviously wealthy appearance in TTLG! She went with the frozen yogurt dude after all was said and done! :rotflmao2: Neil time indeed.

:rotflmao2: Could be, CL, could be. That would explain Kate's obviously wealthy appearance in TTLG! She went with the frozen yogurt dude after all was said and done! :rotflmao2: Neil time indeed.

Another Lost mystery solved! Thanks, Guinevere & CL! :biggrin:

Another Lost mystery solved! Thanks, Guinevere & CL! :biggrin:

Anything for you, mom! ;)

What if this snippet is a perpetual loop?

"It's Neil-time, now and forever!"

With Frogurt living this one moment, over and over again, in Perpetuity!

That would be worse than purgatory, jane!!! :biggrin:

Can someone help me with this one? Who is Neil (Frogurt) and did I miss him in a previous epi?

Since I have all three DVD's and have watched them many times, I'm going to assume that this is a character never seen before. Is this a guy similar to Dave that is in Hurley's imagination?

Any help on this one would be great...loved how freaky the Dave epi was and this would just add to the freaky-ness!

Sorry for the post and thanks to the Mods for moving it...also, thanks to Oliver for the pedia link...that explains things.

Frogurt was mentioned but never really seen.

S2E19 Bernard Good. Can you get Libby and meet me at the edge of the tree line in 5 minutes? Oh, and if you can get Jin and Sun, Jenkins and that Frogurt guy... the guy who used to make frozen yogurt.

S2E19 Bernard What happened to everybody? Where's Craig? Where's Frogurt? Okay, alright, moving on. We're going to put this sign across this entire beach which means the letters have to be really big... about 40 feet. These black rocks will get maximum contrast with the sand.

Randy…? :D there was me thinking you got a new life on the Island, and Hurley and John have to share the sandbox with an obnoxious reminder of their former bullying boss.

Some thing for them to connect over some time soon………*checks watch -* *- a special one calibrated in years*

………………….maybe. :rolleyes:

Love any scene in which Hurley gets to just ...look - Jorge does it so well. :biggrin:

The prospect of him having nicked that wine is only marginally behind him being the kiss-and-tell type in the shocking stakes – what would his mother think? (what his father might say about him agitating his smalls into a lather with Libby is unpostable).

What I have to say about the sneaky “Neil time” is similarly unpostable *mummblemummble* light *grummblegrummble* dark! *ramblesnark* missing for hours!...?

and ‘Time line’ sounds so plausibly linear

….if one didn’t have to disorder elements to create it. :drowsy:

Fabby! enjoyed it very much.

I hate having everything typed up and then an error message comes up and everything closes.

Okay, two things.

1) I think the "It's neil time!" line (neil time line, heh) was probably a reference to that old Jimmy Kimmel extra on the S1 DVDs. Remember the catchphrase he proposed for Hurley? "Hey ladies! It's Hurley time!" Obviously, Hugo can't go around saying that, but Frogurt could... and in a scene with Hurley!

2) With the ominous music, placement in the timeline (just before Michael shot her), the tine if Neil, Hurley's line about where libby is, and the "Well played," ...the reason for this clip's existence may be huge? I mean, I'm probably looking way too much into this clip, but we know some people have special powers, or at least we know some people can will/wish things into happening (see Ben), but... could Frogurt have wished for libby's death or something akin to it that would get her killed? After all, it's been said how much libby's death was an accident and how her story never got told, right? Neil seems a kind of guy who would have been invisible is his story, constantly getting screwed over and passed up by other people. Ignored. To see this "tubby" Hurley character get in with hot libby... there could be a silent ragingjealously or bitterness their that could have caused him to want for their relationship to break up immediately.

And since Hurley seems to have this "nothing can hurt me as long as I'm cursed by numbers" shtick (link's Awakening reference, woo!) as well as the "people around me seem to get hurt" portion also... this wish, this desire, it hits libby. There's no way to change one's love or passion for another instantly without mind altering or highly repulsive events, and Michael was in the same place with a gun he was planning on using anyway...

If you look at it like this, maybe Frogurt's going to become a really important character.

Frogurt wishing for Libby to die? That makes no sense whatsoever. If Frogurt was jealous he'd wish Hugo to die. Some of you are reading waaayyyyy too much into these clips.

Aside from that I hope we see Neil more from time to time. He's a good foil for Hugo.