From ABC (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=missingpiecescredits#t=0&d=70368)

Episode 104 - Room 23
Michael Emerson as Ben
Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet
Music by: Michael Giacchino
Costume Designer: Roland Sanchez
Edited by: Robert Florio, A.C.E.
Production Designer: Jonathan Carlson
Director of Photography: John Bartley, A.S.C./C.S.C.
Executive Producers: J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Jack Bender, Carlton Cuse
Co-Executive Producers: Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz, Drew Goddard, Stephen Williams, Jean Higgins
Supervising Producer: Elizabeth Sarnoff
Producers: Ra'uf Glasgow, Pat Churchill
Co-Producers: Richard Peter Schroer, Brian K. Vaughn, Samantha Thomas
Executive Story Editor: Christina M. Kim
Associate Producer: Kaleen Yamase
Created by Jeffrey Lieber and J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof
Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff
Directed by Jack Bender

huuum, Juliet again. Interesting how much she is apearing in the mobisodes.

Unless this is another typo, like last week's description, this means that Elizabeth Mitchell and Matthew Fox are getting equal play in the mobisodes so far. Very interesting indeed.

I care less about the Who (great band though) than I care about the What and the title for this one is the most promising so far. I love Hurley to bits, but do I care about his rivalry with Frogurt? Not really. I could watch Ben and Juliet in all thirteen of them, as long as they have something of interest to tell through those characters, not just airtime for the sake of airtime.

I wonder if they're actually going to give us another glimpse into Room 23 or they're just going to have Ben and Juliet talk about it... Maybe when Ben first put Karl in there.

Maybe Juliet had her turn in Room 23 once upon a time.

It doesn't seem fair than Ben and Juliet are getting so much play when a number of season one regulars are still missing. I love ME and EM but I hate to see such major players as Kate, Sawyer and Locke sidelined so far.

Cardie

My guess is we're only seeing the actors who signed deals to do these mobisodes. They were separately negotiated, so we may only be seeing the actors they were able to come to terms with.

I thought the whole cast had signed, in fact, I think I read somewhere that they had not done the mobisodes before because they wanted everyone on board and not everyone was (sorry, I can't remember where I read that, I think it was a news article for the mobisodes when they were first announced)

It doesn't seem fair than Ben and Juliet are getting so much play when a number of season one regulars are still missing. I love ME and EM but I hate to see such major players as Kate, Sawyer and Locke sidelined so far.

Cardie

Maybe they're getting their play in the mobisodes because they're going to get whacked fairly early on in season 8? As for the mobisode itself, I wonder if it will feature a conversation between Ben and Juliet about someone being confined in Room 23? My guess is Walt. He's probably been brainwashed.

Poor writers, I'm starting to sympathize with them. :lol2: They probably thought giving us something about Room 23 would have people very excited. Like I said, I don't care who's there as long as it interests me.

As for the mobisode itself, I wonder if it will feature a conversation between Ben and Juliet about someone being confined in Room 23? My guess is Walt. He's probably been brainwashed.

That would be kind of a huge piece of info to release only for the internet/cell phone audience, wouldn't it? Of course, they can always re-introduce it in the show itself, but I never really expected big reveals out of these mobisodes, which is probably why I've enjoyed 4 out of 5.

It's clearly a possibility though. I'm intrigued as to why Juliet spent time with Walt and got to know he's special. She's a fertility expert, I've always assumed Bea Klugh was Walt's handler.

What's taking so long on getting the script? It's usually out by this time isn't it? I think this is going to have something to do with Walt and room 23.... or about Danielle and the room!!
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And as far as how reavealing these are going to be.... I don't think we will get any hard facts but we will get a couple of major clues before these are over. Something like the Orchid video maybe.

It doesn't seem fair than Ben and Juliet are getting so much play when a number of season one regulars are still missing. I love ME and EM but I hate to see such major players as Kate, Sawyer and Locke sidelined so far.

Cardie


Amen!! I'm sure this will be interesting but, gee whiz, give someone else a chance to tell their story!
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Poor writers, I'm starting to sympathize with them. :lol2: They probably thought giving us something about Room 23 would have people very excited. Like I said, I don't care who's there as long as it interests me.



That would be kind of a huge piece of info to release only for the internet/cell phone audience, wouldn't it? Of course, they can always re-introduce it in the show itself, but I never really expected big reveals out of these mobisodes, which is probably why I've enjoyed 4 out of 5.

It's clearly a possibility though. I'm intrigued as to why Juliet spent time with Walt and got to know he's special. She's a fertility expert, I've always assumed Bea Klugh was Walt's handler.

I'm excited about the mobisodes, don't get me wrong but it seems that ME & EM are getting major time in on them and I stiil can't see what it all will have to do with Hurley, Libby & Frogurt, the only non Jack, Ben or Juliet mobe so far.
I think it will be interesting to see that they tried to use Room 23 on Walt and it didn't take. :biggrin:

Mobisode transcript (thanks to Dark and Susan)

[Shows the number 23 on a door. Beeping Alarm. People running. Ben comes into hallway. Juliet is standing outside the door of room 23.]
Ben – What’s happening?
Juliet – He did it again.
Ben – Did what again?
Juliet – You know.
Ben – Well, you’re going to have to tell him to stop doing it.
Juliet – I’m not going in there.
Ben – Fine. Get Beatrice.
Juliet – She’s not going in there either, Ben. None of them will. Tom won’t even bring him food. They’re all scared. Look, Ben, his father is out there looking for him. We could bring him back.
Ben – No.
Juliet – This is your responsibility. You were the one who wanted him here.
Ben – Jacob wanted him here. He’s important. He’s special.
Juliet – He’s dangerous.
Ben – He’s just a kid, Juliet. He’s a child.
Juliet – He’s just a child? Come see. [They go outside.] What kind of child does this?
[Looks at a boarded up window up above with dead birds on the ground below. Ben and Juliet look at each other.]

My goodness! Sounds like a pretty good mobisode, if you ask me!

They were all scared of Walt. Watch Jack track him down in a FF as he will be the only one able to take them back to the island.

now THIS is juicy, this is awesome. this is **insert superlative here**

what did he do again ? maybe something to do with appearing somewhere else?




They were all scared of Walt. Watch Jack track him down in a FF as he will be the only one able to take them back to the island.

i agree CL!
i said a while back that jack was at the funeral/dedication in the hope of seeing walt there.

ive enjoyed the others but this mobisode alone is enough to make them unmissable.

I just watched it. First of all: WOW
Best one so far.
THis mobisode has confirmed a couple of things:
Jacob was the one who wanted Walt. So he might have been on the list.
Walt IS indeed special.
Of course I have a couple of questions, though...
What is he really capable of? Killing birds by making them fly right to the window?
Why were the others scared of going into the room? What else has he done before?
What about Bea's questions about Walt's being in places he wasn't supposed to be? Does that have anything to do with the others fear of Walt?

I don't think Walt is killing birds on purpose, maybe, his thought waves mess up with their internal navigation.

Wonder if that's why Jacob is trapped. I think Ben might be lying about Jacob wanting Walt. I think Ben might be the one who wanted him.

Jacob, Ben and Walt may all have the same kind of power each slightly different.

I personally don't think Ben has any powers. I haven't seen a single piece of evidence for that.
But yes, Jacob and Walt are indeed special. ANd guess who else may be right with them in terms of specialness? Charlotte!!!

birds have crystals of magnetite (black rock) in their brains which they use as an internal compass for navigation during migration
presumably walt effects that a bit like the island messes up compass readings.

there are some old threads about this stuff if you do a search...

WOW!!! I just saw it, best mobisode so far......yet another slap in the kisser to those who cry early on about these things not being good. It was full of all the creepiness that made season 2 so good. Was Carls experience different than Walts, did they have the same thing done to him. The hydra looked alot cleaner in those shots than when Kate, Alex, and Sawyer ran up in there. Did walt cause it to look like a dump or did someone else. and if walt is so special...........WHY did they give him up so easily? Better yet why trade Walt for Ben, even if you get the doctor and a couple to test your baby problems on?

I don't think Walt is killing birds on purpose, maybe, his thought waves mess up with their internal navigation.

Wonder if that's why Jacob is trapped. I think Ben might be lying about Jacob wanting Walt. I think Ben might be the one who wanted him.

Jacob, Ben and Walt may all have the same kind of power each slightly different.
I agree, Sam. In Special Walt also "killed" a bird by it smashing into the window, which seems to be what happened here. Maybe he has telekinetic powers like Carrie, and doesn't have control of them and they go haywire when he's upset, as he clearly is in this scene.

Ben looked down when he said Jacob wanted him. Could be a sign of lying - although Ben's such a good liar with a straight face it may not mean anything with him!

I still think Jacob is like the Wizard of Oz - an invention of Ben used to control his people.

Creepy and good. Wow! So everyone was scared of Walt, eh? No wonder they let Michael take him away. He did not turn out to be such a bargain!

I like the thought someone made a few posts ago about Walt leading Jack back to the island. Maybe he can see through whatever field blocks the island from view.

I don't think it would be fair to give a big reveal in these mobisodes it would alienate to many.

What did Juliet mean by "we can bring him back?"

What did Juliet mean by "we can bring him back?"

I think she meant they could return Walt to Michael, since Michael was "out there" on the main island looking for his son and Walt was clearly in the Hydra island. So, "bring him back to the main island" and probably leave him some place Michael would find him.

Regarding the location, I'm a bit confused. Seems to me Ben and Juliet came out of the same door Kate did when she was being escorted to her breakfast with Ben (out of the showers), but that was not the same building that held the Room 23 where Kate, Sawyer and Alex found Karl. I'm going to Lostmedia to find some screencaps. BRB.

ETA: The screencaps

Kate leaving the showers to meet with Ben (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1163-319.html)
Aldo guarding the building where Karl's room 23 was (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1251-404.html)

i think the birds are drawn to walt not misguided or confused. thats just my take on it.

I've liked all of the mobisodes so far, except for the Frogurt one (and even that one was fun if you just look at it like the comic relief it is). I want them to tell the stories they want to tell us and don't care which characters they use for that. Do I need to see more of Kate's boy melodrama? No, but they're probably going to waste one on it anyway because from what I've seen now, they're covering the same wide range of genres and themes they approach on the show. There was the sad, tragic irony of Christian telling Jack to treat his kid better than he treated him (to an adequate soundtrack) so that took care of the Greek tragedy part, there was comic relief with Hurley and Frogurt, there was literally a missing piece of conversation, there was foreshadowing with Jack and Ben and now there's more foreshadowing for Walt and mythology, etc. I like that they're not one size fits all. I had no expectations for the mobisodes and I've enjoyed them more than I thought I would.

OK, onto this one...

I guess Ben and Walt might have something in common: accidentally killing Mommy.

I think Ben might be lying about Jacob wanting Walt. I think Ben might be the one who wanted him.

That was my first impression as well. But mom, I'm not sure Ben is lying about Jacob's very existence and the reason I'm not sure is because Juliet is convinced of Jacob's powers. Juliet is a scientist. The hardcore kind that sits all day long in a lab. If she believes that some mangy invisible old guy in a shack can cure her sister's cancer, Ben must have shown her something to convince her.

and if walt is so special...........WHY did they give him up so easily? Better yet why trade Walt for Ben, even if you get the doctor and a couple to test your baby problems on?

Because they were obviously scared :censored: of him and fear him like he's the Antichrist. I'm guessing the risks outweigh the benefits.

i think the birds are drawn to walt not misguided or confused. thats just my take on it.

I don't know why but that part reminded me of the movie 'The Reaping' and similar ones in which evil kids are involved.... Didn't the Omen have some bird killed by the kid or something? I know I have seen something like that before.....

Well, Ben did say that Walt was "more than they had ever bargained for." This mobisode seems to confirm that. Now I know why the book Carrie was featured so prominently-Walt is Carrie! He's using his "powers" to strike back at his "tormentors"!

I don't think Walt is killing birds on purpose, maybe, his thought waves mess up with their internal navigation.

Wonder if that's why Jacob is trapped. I think Ben might be lying about Jacob wanting Walt. I think Ben might be the one who wanted him.

Jacob, Ben and Walt may all have the same kind of power each slightly different.

I agree, Sam. In Special Walt also "killed" a bird by it smashing into the window, which seems to be what happened here. Maybe he has telekinetic powers like Carrie, and doesn't have control of them and they go haywire when he's upset, as he clearly is in this scene.

Ben looked down when he said Jacob wanted him. Could be a sign of lying - although Ben's such a good liar with a straight face it may not mean anything with him!

I still think Jacob is like the Wizard of Oz - an invention of Ben used to control his people.

I think that it was Ben that wanted Walt and not Jacob, too. I think, as has been said before, that Ben uses Jacob as a credibility source somewhat. I think that Jacob still has some powers or whatnot, but that he's no longer what he used to be.

The Stephen King analogy with Carrie is a good one, I think. We know that TPTB love SK, so this similar use of kid actors would be an interesting one. I like the Wizard of Oz reference, too...

I wonder what happened after this scene and before the scene where Walt and Michael took off...more interesting spoilers to come, I'm sure...
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Well, Ben did say that Walt was "more than they had ever bargained for." This mobisode seems to cement that. Now I know why the book Carrie was featured so prominently-Walt is Carrie! He's using his "powers" to strike back at his "tormentors"!I agree, RR, as usual. The question that I have is why didn't Walt do something drastic at the dock? Full of power, but still a kid? Not knowing what to do, but that confidence and knowledge could be growing, as seen in the scene with Locke and the pit...

i can't wint when are the mobisodes going to stop?
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I agree, RR, as usual. The question that I have is why didn't Walt do something drastic at the dock? Full of power, but still a kid? Not knowing what to do, but that confidence and knowledge could be growing, as seen in the scene with Locke and the pit...

I liked this mobisode very much, it's kind of scary.

I think Walt is not yet fully aware or in total control of his powers. They showed when he was angry with his mom (bird flew into the window) and possibly when he got mad at Michael (polar bear appeared). It's likely he also made the rain stop when Michael promised him he would search for Vincent when the rain ceased.

It seems his powers only show when he's in emotional distress and we all know what room 23 is like. I think Walt was learning to master his power when Locke was teaching him to throw the knife and possibly Locke knows, at least on a subconscius level, that Walt is "special".

Such power progression is common when we see kids with psychic ability in movies and books. In fact Carrie wasn't always able to control her power, that was something she progressively learned to do in SK's book.

So, that's probably why nothing freaky came out of Walt when they were at the pier. He knew he was getting off the island with his dad. Not to mention they could have given him some inhibitory drugs, like a sedative.

Or, perhaps Walt saved them all when the hatch imploded, perhaps his powers protected them all from the failsafe.

he was pretty 'lucky' at backgammon too

I liked that they brought this fullcircle , referencing the bird that hit the window when he was living with Brian and Susan.

And I'm with CL on this--he can't control his powers. I'm not sure he even believes he has them. Pretty common way for kids to discover their powers--even the Harry Potter books used this idea that those with powers don't know that they have them and only see evidence of them under emotional duress until someone teaches them how to access them and control them.

I also think that Ben, not Jacob, wanted Michael. Or, if Jacob did want Walt, Ben would try to keep him them apart. Just as he has tried to keep John away from Jacob. Ben is not looking for a successor. He wants to control everything.

I know the bast way how to end Lost ok here it is we cut off to space so it's are first time in space on Lost and we see halo and on halo is Master Chief in fant of a microcomputer enter in the numbers and he can't do it so it hits 000.00 and halo is activated:cool:

i retract my statement lol

This one is a lot more informative than any of the previous mobisodes and, like others have said, opens a lot of questions.
I hadn't thought about his ability interfering with the bird's navigational instincts but that may be it.
I think he's on his way to understanding his powers and hope that he is the one who helps Jack get back to the Island.
Can't wait for next week!!!!

Well, Ben did say that Walt was "more than they had ever bargained for." This mobisode seems to confirm that. Now I know why the book Carrie was featured so prominently-Walt is Carrie! He's using his "powers" to strike back at his "tormentors"!

And this is why I love LOST.
The obvious never is. I took his statement as, "Well, we wanted 4 things from him and got 5. We're very pleased and SO pleased in fact, you can have him back."
Not, "Oh, cripes! This kid could kill us.".

Also, I feel more for Walt after remembering the scared look on his face when he was asked if he "wanted to go back to the room." when he was seeing his dad.
If things only happen when he's in emotional distress, this means they're doing horrible things to him in that room to get him to "switch on".

And this is why I love LOST.
...Also, I feel more for Walt after remembering the scared look on his face when he was asked if he "wanted to go back to the room." when he was seeing his dad.
If things only happen when he's in emotional distress, this means they're doing horrible things to him in that room to get him to "switch on".

I had forgotten about that scene, Heroic! You're so right about what they may have been doing to him in order to see what powers he does have. I've always felt for Walt and this makes me feel for him even more. I'll bet he turns out to be be one of the ultimate Lost heroes. ;)

I had forgotten about that scene, Heroic! You're so right about what they may have been doing to him in order to see what powers he does have. I've always felt for Walt and this makes me feel for him even more. I'll bet he turns out to be be one of the ultimate Lost heroes. ;)

I didn't catch that either! Duh. :doh: I wondered what the room was at the time, but totally forgot about it. Of course it would be THE room.

Is this mobisode on abc.com yet?

I could only find #1-#5 at abc.com and darkUFO.

I liked that they brought this fullcircle , referencing the bird that hit the window when he was living with Brian and Susan.

And I'm with CL on this--he can't control his powers. I'm not sure he even believes he has them. Pretty common way for kids to discover their powers--even the Harry Potter books used this idea that those with powers don't know that they have them and only see evidence of them under emotional duress until someone teaches them how to access them and control them.

I also think that Ben, not Jacob, wanted Michael. Or, if Jacob did want Walt, Ben would try to keep him them apart. Just as he has tried to keep John away from Jacob. Ben is not looking for a successor. He wants to control everything.

Well, Ben 'could' have used Walt to imprison Jacob, somehow....
If so, what's that ashy stuff for? Everything points it to be some kind of 'spell'....

Also, did Ben need to capture Jacob in his shack BEFORE they let the timer run out????

Would Jacob have been set free if they hadn't used the failsafe key?

Well, Ben 'could' have used Walt to imprison Jacob, somehow....
If so, what's that ashy stuff for? Everything points it to be some kind of 'spell'....

Also, did Ben need to capture Jacob in his shack BEFORE they let the timer run out????

Would Jacob have been set free if they hadn't used the failsafe key?

Now, that's a interesting theory. I like the idea of Benry using Walt in that way in order to maintain the control over the 'Others' he was shown to be losing in S3.

Well, Ben 'could' have used Walt to imprison Jacob, somehow....
If so, what's that ashy stuff for? Everything points it to be some kind of 'spell'....

Also, did Ben need to capture Jacob in his shack BEFORE they let the timer run out????

Would Jacob have been set free if they hadn't used the failsafe key?

At first glance the ash ring around the cabin appears to be a means to keep Jacob contained, but what if it is actually residue? Jacob=Cerberus?

At first glance the ash ring around the cabin appears to be a means to keep Jacob contained, but what if it is actually residue? Jacob=Cerberus?

I think ME said in an interview that those 2 were NOT the same.

Is this mobisode on abc.com yet?

I could only find #1-#5 at abc.com and darkUFO.

The mobisodes don 't show up on abc.com until the following Monday.

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thanks for that link, i was wondering myself how to see the new mobisodes before they were on abc.com.

oohhh that was good!! what else could he have been doing?

oh, and does anyone know what day/time lost is going to be on this season? abc better not change it!

thanks for that link, i was wondering myself how to see the new mobisodes before they were on abc.com.

oohhh that was good!! what else could he have been doing?

oh, and does anyone know what day/time lost is going to be on this season? abc better not change it!

Hi Annieislost,

Welcome to the Fuselage.

No....we've all been eagerly awaiting news of it.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1694806#post1694806

The mobisodes don 't show up on abc.com until the following Monday.

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You might want to read this announcement (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/announcement.php?f=376&a=47) ASAP...

You might want to read this announcement (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/announcement.php?f=376&a=47) ASAP...

Sorry about that, and thanks for pointing me to the rules:redface:
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thanks for that link, i was wondering myself how to see the new mobisodes before they were on abc.com.

oohhh that was good!! what else could he have been doing?

oh, and does anyone know what day/time lost is going to be on this season? abc better not change it!

If you have US Verizon cellphone service with VCast, that is where they debut. You might have access to these on your phone and not even realize it! If you have VCast, just choose video and ABC and they new ones are there in the menu each Mon or Tuesday. Then they beceome available at abc the following week. It's surprising how good they look on the phone, actually.

Gosh, that was creepy! I can't wait for season 4 to find out what it was that Walt did "again". Even Ben looked scared when he saw those birds! What could possibly scare him?!!!

Ben looked down when he said Jacob wanted him - could be a sign of lying.

I agree. I didn't believe that at all. Even if Jacob has an interest in Walt, I don't think he would sanction the kidnapping of a child. I'm also loving the idea that Ben wanted Walt to somehow control Jacob. Great theory!

Claudia, although I love you dearly because we share an obsession over Jack, and I initially agreed when I read your post about how Juliet must have been given some proof of Jacob's power to believe in it since she's the hardcore scientific type, I then remembered something . . . Juliet may be a highly educated and accomplished scientist, but she also went to work for a company she knew nothing about, in a secret location, which in order to travel to she had a drink a secret "potion" . . . need I continue? She's been pretty gullible, in my book (at least prior to and after initially arriving on the island.)

And we've only been shown that Juliet believed in Jacob's power (or Ben's promises about Jacob's power) at about the time of the crash. Does she still believe? Notice how she shook her head when Ben said that it was Jacob who wanted Walt because he was special. As if to say, "Don't feed me that line again."

As to why Walt was in Room 23, I tend not to believe that they were doing "horrible" things to him as someone said. I doubt that Juliet would participate in something like that, or even Tom for that matter. And I don't believe that Walt's powers are triggered simply by emotional distress, although they may spike during emotional distress. He certainly wasn't in distress when he repeatedly rolled snake eyes during his backgammon game with Locke.

I think (and I could of course be wrong as I have been many times about this show) that Room 23 is exactly what we have been shown - a brainwashing room. I think Ben uses it simply to make people submissive to him and that's what he was trying to do with Walt, because Walt probably refused to cooperate with their testing.

This set up reminds me very much of a Stephen King novel, and it's not Carrie, which I think is more Juliet's story (the outsider who is more powerful than she realizes). The subject of Stephen King's Firestarter is a child with special powers. After her mother dies, she is left with her father, who valiantly attempts to protect her. Despite his best efforts, she is kidnapped by the government and taken to a secret location. Her father is also taken and imprisoned, but kept apart from her. The child is extremely uncooperative and difficult to work with, refusing to cooperate in tests. When she gets upset, her powers surge out of her control and people get hurt. This causes her handlers become afraid and refuse to work with her. They go to great lengths to manipulate the child into cooperating, but ultimately it proves futile. She and her father are eventually reunited and although he dies in the effort, the child escapes, vowing never to use her powers again (after she torches her captors of course).

Hopefully the end of Firestarter is not indicative of how Walt's story will end, but perhaps it would be fitting if Michael had to die to gain Walt's freedom from the island.

And good call Crazy Latin on noticing this does not seem to the same building that Kate, Alex and Sawyer went into to find Karl. I would never have noticed that. However, it also doesn't seem to be the building that Kate was led out of by Tom. There is no jungle encroaching on the building, and there is a smooth metal railing beside the stair case, not a low wall. Maybe this is an alternate entrance to the same building that Karl was in, or the Others have several Room 23s around the island . . . ?

Claudia, although I love you dearly because we share an obsession over Jack, and I initially agreed when I read your post about how Juliet must have been given some proof of Jacob's power to believe in it since she's the hardcore scientific type, I then remembered something . . . Juliet may be a highly educated and accomplished scientist, but she also went to work for a company she knew nothing about, in a secret location, which in order to travel to she had a drink a secret "potion" . . . need I continue? She's been pretty gullible, in my book (at least prior to and after initially arriving on the island.)

Love ya too my fellow sandiegan. :biggrin: (I'm sorry I don't like Kate. I tried...) I think the Juliet who believed in Jacob (you're right that she may very well be tired of Ben's shtick NOW) really did need some hardcore proof of his miracle-working ways. Because as a scientist in her field she knows how paranoid and secretive biotech companies are so I don't think any of that was a sign of being gullible. CANCER and the cure for it on the other hand... I just think it's on a whole different level. The secrecy of a biotech company willing to give her the money and freedom she craved has nothing much to do with her medical training, she doesn't need a PhD to believe it, she knows how they function from experience. But she knows how cancer works because she's a doctor and for her to believe an old invisible man in a shack can cure it... It would take a lot from ME and I've read books under my desk in most of my science classes in high school. I see it as two very different situations.

I don't think the experiments themselves were done in Room 23, I agree with you that was just Ben's attempt to tame him in a way.

Point taken Claudia. I'm being perhaps too realistic about this and this is a TV show. My problem is that my mother is a neuroscientist at The Salk Institute and I grew up around scientists. Now some of the children of my mom's friends are accomplished scientists themselves. I've never known it to be secretive industry (even when it's govenment or military funded science). I always think it's just movies that show scientists this way. And have a hard time believing anyone with Juliet's credentials would have been willing to hitch their star to an unknown quantity. Most scientists are highly ambitious and very careful about who they work with and on what, since one unscrupulous scientist in an institution can taint the credibility of everyone else's research.
I get your point, however, that she was really ready to suspend logic at that time, since she was craving scientific freedom and was all distraught from her sister's illness, her ex's death, etc. And I seriously hope that she was shown something really convincing as far as Jacob was concerned. If she just fell for the Man Behind the Curtain routine without any hard evidence, I'll lose all respect for her.

PS: There are still 3 seasons left - don't rule out changing your mind about Kate - lol!

I just was watching "LOST in a Day" from the season 3 DVD. The LOST production office is in building 23. Is room 23 how TPTB feel juggling all the episodes?

My problem is that my mother is a neuroscientist at The Salk Institute and I grew up around scientists. Now some of the children of my mom's friends are accomplished scientists themselves. I've never known it to be secretive industry (even when it's govenment or military funded science). I always think it's just movies that show scientists this way.

Oh, there's lots of suspension of disbelief involved, but the thing is... Juliet had been performing some reather shady research from what I remember from her prick ex's comments. I think she was more than willing to take risks and this one promised a huge payoff.

And I seriously hope that she was shown something really convincing as far as Jacob was concerned. If she just fell for the Man Behind the Curtain routine without any hard evidence, I'll lose all respect for her.

I'll have to go back to my issues with the writers and I really don't want to be in that place again. :smile:

I'll have to go back to my issues with the writers and I really don't want to be in that place again.

Heard that!

My guess is we're only seeing the actors who signed deals to do these mobisodes. They were separately negotiated, so we may only be seeing the actors they were able to come to terms with.

I have had a hard time with actors not wanting to participate due to their contracts...since the folks on Friends started that trend in the 90's. I know it goes back furthur then this, but it's ridiculous in my opinion. This is not the same deal the WGA is in right now. I am secretly hoping that TOQ or NA are due up in the last 3 or 4 Mobes...Is the only way of knowing who's starring in them at ABC?

I just watched it. First of all: WOW
Best one so far.
Jacob was the one who wanted Walt. So he might have been on the list.
Walt IS indeed special.
What is he really capable of? What else has he done before?
What about Bea's questions about Walt's being in places he wasn't supposed to be? Does that have anything to do with the others fear of Walt?

I'm starting to think we could switch the list name from Jacob, to Ben's...
I think they used room 23 to actually see what Walt can do, apart from what we saw with the birds, imo. As for the Other's fear of Walt and Bea's comment, what if Walt projected himself in the showers when the ladies were there???
I'm just kiddin'. He probably projected himself in a meeting or somewhere a lot of Others were. My other thoughts were that when Walt projects himself, he "vanishes" from point A to point B. He's still at point A, but whoever is there with him (Like Mrs K)would not "see" him? Is that clear or not?

I don't think Walt is killing birds on purpose, maybe, his thought waves mess up with their internal navigation.
Jacob, Ben and Walt may all have the same kind of power each slightly different.

Interesting Sam. Perhaps Walt's ability is to control magnetism? As well as other things yet untold or unseen? Could Walt attract/control any bioelectric organism at will?

I'm also in agreement that Jake, Ben and Walt share similar abilities.


Ben looked down when he said Jacob wanted him. Could be a sign of lying - although Ben's such a good liar with a straight face it may not mean anything with him!
I still think Jacob is like the Wizard of Oz - an invention of Ben used to control his people.

Indeed, Ben's manipulating and lying is incredibly realistic and fluid, like a second skin almost. His lies dont mean much, but the consequences of them are game changers. (Getting netted, getting the sub blown up etc etc etc)


Regarding the location, I'm a bit confused. Seems to me Ben and Juliet came out of the same door Kate did when she was being escorted to her breakfast with Ben (out of the showers), but that was not the same building that held the Room 23 where Kate, Sawyer and Alex found Karl. ETA: The screencaps
Kate leaving the showers to meet with Ben (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1163-319.html)
Aldo guarding the building where Karl's room 23 was (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1251-404.html)

First, thanks for the pics!

What struck me odd about them is that they seem to be mirror images of each other. In the first pic, the stairs lead right, and in the second, they lead left...Is it the same building with different rooms and we only saw it on an angle as to be lead to believe they are separate buildings? The Hydra Island needs to be revisited, imho, of course.


i think the birds are drawn to walt not misguided or confused. thats just my take on it.

I'm starting to think that way as well. If Walt could develop the ability to manipulate birds or any other entity, he could use them for whatever purpose he chose...Recog, attacks, spying etc etc etc. Seems Walt's abilities are destructive, and I dont see how that could help Jacob in any way. Of course, it's so early to speculate on that, but it's so much fun isnt it?!


I think that it was Ben that wanted Walt and not Jacob, too. I think, as has been said before, that Ben uses Jacob as a credibility source somewhat. I think that Jacob still has some powers or whatnot, but that he's no longer what he used to be.


Excellent! I agree as well. If Ben was indeed doing Jacob's work or wishes, then why the hell would Jacob need John Locke's help???


The Stephen King analogy with Carrie is a good one, I think. We know that TPTB love SK, so this similar use of kid actors would be an interesting one. I like the Wizard of Oz reference, too...


SK loves to put children in his novels. In the 70's, killing children was taboo, and King pushed that envelope in Salem's lot (The schoolbus full of kid vampires) Cujo (had a young boy in it) Firestarter (a young girl) Carrie (a teenager) Children of the Corn speaks for itself...The Libray policemen etc etc etc...As far as we've seen, it's the kids that are special. Why would TPTB state that Aaron's role will become very important in the bigger story arc?;)


I wonder what happened after this scene and before the scene where Walt and Michael took off...more interesting spoilers to come, I'm sure...


I hope so too Junie.


I agree, RR, as usual. The question that I have is why didn't Walt do something drastic at the dock? Full of power, but still a kid? Not knowing what to do, but that confidence and knowledge could be growing, as seen in the scene with Locke and the pit...


I think Walt really wanted to leave the Island. At first, he didnt want to leave and burned down the raft! (Remember that Locke somehow knew Walt did it, but kept his mouth shut about it!) It's been suggested Walt started it using telekinesis. Is the discovery of that talent what made Walt change his mind and decide to get on the raft and leave? It did look like Walt wanted to leavein LTDA.


Also, I feel more for Walt after remembering the scared look on his face when he was asked if he "wanted to go back to the room." when he was seeing his dad.
If things only happen when he's in emotional distress, this means they're doing horrible things to him in that room to get him to "switch on".


Have you seen the video that's playing in room 23? What if, by putting Walt in stressfull situations through the vidoes, it triggers defense mechanisms? And what if those are what Ben is truly after? And for what purpose? To help Jacob? Or has Benjamin Linus known that some people like the freighties would one day come and he'd have to be well prepared to do battle against these future ennemies? Season 4 is going to be short, but oh so sweet! And, it's been confirmed that Lost will debut season 4 January 31 st!!! Schwiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!

The mobisodes don 't show up on abc.com until the following Monday.

***Mod edited to remove link***

I was going to ask that you PM me the link, but on second thoughts, I'll wait for them on ABC...

I just was watching "LOST in a Day" from the season 3 DVD. The LOST production office is in building 23. Is room 23 how TPTB feel juggling all the episodes?

:biggrin: Should ask Greggy that one Sam G!

Eric.

Have you seen the video that's playing in room 23?


No, I don't remember anything.
Just that Jacob loves me.

No, I don't remember anything.
Just that Jacob loves me.:biggrin:

We are the causes of our own suffering.

No, I don't remember anything.
Just that Jacob loves me.

:biggrin:
We are the causes of our own suffering.


:biggrin: Eheheheheh. I'm trying to find you a link to the room 23 video there HP!...I'm having a bit of a hard time finding it...If I read the rules correctly, you cannot link any video footage that is not from a site affiliated with ABC, is that correct? So I'm checking all the stuff from TLE to different stuff......my download bill will be crazy as usual....:rolleyes: Hang in there, perhaps someone will be faster than me with a link.

Eric.

This set up reminds me very much of a Stephen King novel, and it's not Carrie, which I think is more Juliet's story (the outsider who is more powerful than she realizes). The subject of Stephen King's Firestarter is a child with special powers. After her mother dies, she is left with her father, who valiantly attempts to protect her. Despite his best efforts, she is kidnapped by the government and taken to a secret location. Her father is also taken and imprisoned, but kept apart from her. The child is extremely uncooperative and difficult to work with, refusing to cooperate in tests. When she gets upset, her powers surge out of her control and people get hurt. This causes her handlers become afraid and refuse to work with her. They go to great lengths to manipulate the child into cooperating, but ultimately it proves futile. She and her father are eventually reunited and although he dies in the effort, the child escapes, vowing never to use her powers again (after she torches her captors of course).

Hopefully the end of Firestarter is not indicative of how Walt's story will end, but perhaps it would be fitting if Michael had to die to gain Walt's freedom from the island.
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Great call, Sandie. Given Karl's state of mind after being rescued from Room 23, perhaps the hypnotic Jacob video is the Others' version of Thorazine, the drug that the bad guys used on the protaganist in Firestarter.

Sandiego6656 I then remembered something . . . Juliet may be a highly educated and accomplished scientist, but she also went to work for a company she knew nothing about, in a secret location, which in order to travel to she had a drink a secret "potion" . . . need I continue? She's been pretty gullible, in my book (at least prior to and after initially arriving on the island.)

Yeah - the last time I saw someone do something that stupid, they woke up buried alive and abandoned to die. Still gives me the willies (The Vanishing - the original).

Love Firestarter, and still hoping Walt's the result of experiments his parents underwent or the product of the union of two naturally 'gifted' people known to Dharma or the CIA.

But the epi: So! Walt's got some EM tricks he's pulling then - birds navigate that way and I think his appearing where he's not supposed to be may be a light bending illusion (he's NOT there - he only appears to be) gotta put the kid in the frame for any oddness involving loudspeakers too...

The plane crash - and that anyone survived it - will need to be reassessed... Meh. I'm thinking about compasses and Hurleybirds now when what I want to be doing is drooling over some fabulous Juliet/Ben interaction:

She dragged him down a fire escape by his wrist...!

I'm not entirely sure what that's doing for me - but I know like it. :devil2:

ETA: she's not altogether sympathetic toward the child - is she?

Why would TPTB state that Aaron's role will become very important in the bigger story arc?;)
Can you tell me where I can find TPTB saying this?

Okay, I was late in finding these, but everyone has jumped to the same conclusion.
Walt was not in this short episode, nor even mentioned by name. There was a reference to "his father" looking for him, but Michael was not mentioned either. There is no proof that Ben and Juliet are talking about Walt here. It's just like Charlie being hanged or Scott being murdered --- there's lots of circumstantial evidence that Ethan did those things, but no proof. If we didn't see it happen on screen, we can't assume it. Similarly, if we never see Walt in the room, we can never be sure he did the things we are being led to believe.

Also, Ben or Juliet saying anything about Walt is meaningless; they have lied so often their word is worthless.

Okay, I was late in finding these, but everyone has jumped to the same conclusion.
Walt was not in this short episode, nor even mentioned by name. There was a reference to "his father" looking for him, but Michael was not mentioned either. There is no proof that Ben and Juliet are talking about Walt here. It's just like Charlie being hanged or Scott being murdered --- there's lots of circumstantial evidence that Ethan did those things, but no proof. If we didn't see it happen on screen, we can't assume it. Similarly, if we never see Walt in the room, we can never be sure he did the things we are being led to believe.

Also, Ben or Juliet saying anything about Walt is meaningless; they have lied so often their word is worthless.

C'mon. Let's not over-complicate things here. They're CLEARLY discussing Walt. One of the tenants of story-telling (IE script writing) is that you don't just start talking about something or someone that hasn't been set up or introduced. These webisodes are to fill in some things that haven't been directly touched upon but relate to the overall story. Ben and Juliet are NOT diuscussing some kid we've never seen before. It's Walt.

There's a reference to Walt being in Room 23, I don't recall if it's been mentioned.

In season 2 , episode "Three Minuts", Micheal is captive in the fake Other's camp when Bea Klugh lets him see Walt briefly but it's cut short when Walt gets out of line, saying more than they wanted him to:

Walt: "They're not who they say they are! They're pretending!"
Klugh: "Walt, do you want me to put you in the room again?"

I think Walt's affecting the magnetic fields around him, and screwing up the birds sense of direction. This actually can happen:

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/reprint/199/1/29.pdf

I think Walt's learning to control it, and the birds are a (unfortunate) side effect.

What's he learning to control? The same thing that Desmond is after Desmond's massive influx of magnetism from the hatch: He's learning to control it to time travel. That explains his appearances all over the island.

I love Juliet's frustration with Ben and his ideas. I think this was more of her break down in believing in Ben's dream. He listens to some unseen Jacob, and the little world of 'otherville' seems to be falling apart. Perhaps, this is part of the beginning in some other's becoming disillusioned and why Locke became an interest as leader.