What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)

I want to give it a 9 but I'm going to be stingy and give it an 8.

It was so amazing but I've a feeling that all these eps will be so I've got to be a little more judicious in my rating. The surprises were in good supply and paced well. I'm so impressed with the pacing this season, that alone is reason enough to rate the eps highly. :) I can't even go into detail right now because I've not had enough time to process all the information and have so many questions swirling in my mind! :)

This is how I used to feel after watching Lost! Thanks for taking me there again!

Just when you think it can't get any better, it does! EXCELLENT epi, I gave it a very deserving 10!

I've gotta say this was one of the best epi's of LOST I've ever seen. Wow! Im blown away.:eek:

I was going to give it a 7, because at first it seemed a bit slow, and I wasn't understanding all the animosity between the different factions (eg. Hurley and Sayid especially) but in the end, I gave it an 8 because, hey, not every episode can be so action-packed and intense as, say, the last episodes. This is story telling after all. Lots of questions raised, still digesting, so 8 it is.

I gave this episode a well deserved 10! This episode was one of the best yet. Just when you think you know what's going on....

I liked it - gave it an 8. Sayid's flash fowards were cool - packed with all kinds of twists and turns. The interaction between Locke, Ben and Sayid was interesting - 3 masters at manipulation. Of course, the ending with Ben and Sayid was awesome!

Mind blower... Ben and Sayid! in cahoots in the future (or is it really the future) wow 10 easy.

When episodes keep being this good, there is no way for me to rate them all 10s. Gave this a 9. This episode was nuts. NUTS. Even though the FF reveals were very, very good, the first couple were slow. If they weren't slow, I would have given it a 10.

man...in the past, my base line rating was around a 6 or 7...i'd go below occasionally, and up sometimes...this season my baseline is looking more like a high 8...

good stuff.

I gave it an 8, although I probably should've sprung for a 9, considering the last scene.

Yeah, I'm kinda feelin' a 9 now that it's sinking in. ;) Oh well, 8 it is.

I was going to give it a 7, because at first it seemed a bit slow, and I wasn't understanding all the animosity between the different factions (eg. Hurley and Sayid especially) but in the end, I gave it an 8 because, hey, not every episode can be so action-packed and intense as, say, the last episode. This is story telling after all. Lots of questions raised, still digesting, so 8 it is.

Yeah Jack, I agree much slower than the first 2, which I gave both 10's. Plus this episode was just taking us places we've never been before, like you said with the different factions being held at gunpoint, and deceived by your friends (supposedly). Lots of questions were introduced with very little answers. I don't know but it just didn't seem to be the typical LOST episode we see. Lots of things introduced with very little expansion or explanation. I gave it a 6.

I gave it an 8, although I probably should've sprung for a 9, considering the last scene.

That's exactly the thought that motivated my above comments. Oh well, they can't all be 9 and 10's. Still though, it was a terrififc episode.

Sayid episodes are always above average to me, but this one took the cake with ending scene! I gave it a 10 :)

Wow!! I thought this was one of the best epsiodes of Lost ever. Not quite as good as Walkabout, but close.

I really liked this episode. I gave it a nine just because I was really confused at the end with the conversation they had. I mean I loved the big shocker, classic LOST WTF moment style!!!....I just didn't really understand Sayid saying, "They'll know I'm coming" and Ben saying "Good"....HUH???.....but I'm sure they meant it that way. It was really exciting though and it's strange how the Losties are really defining what a substantial division between a cohesive group is.

10--ten times over!

In fact, this was the best episode of LOST I have ever seen. I think my brain exploded. I know I screamed when it was over. It was more of a shocker for me than the flashforward at the end of Season 3.

So many twists and treacheries! Hurley--Hurley!--betrays his friends! Miles snarks some more! Clocks don't synchronize! Sawyer wants to play house! Sayid steals a bracelet!

And I kept thinking I was watching the wrong Naveen Andrews movie (and believe me, I've seen them all) . . . .

And the end was so horrifying!

But I'm glad Sayid will live for awhile, and to tell the truth I'm glad Ben will live, too. He may be the greatest villain in TV history.

It was sad to see Sayid leave the island. I have a feeling he's never coming back.

But what will happen to Desmond???

Oh, yes. Just what I wanted: More questions and no answers.

I rate it a 3. I recorded it, but probably won't watch it again.

I gave it a 9 - I liked the episode better than last week (which I gave an 8) because it involved Sayid, who never has enough screen time even though he steals every scene he's in :)

WTF's and OMG aplenty... but when will I EVER learn to stay away from spoilers? I knew that Ben would make an appearance in this episode off-island, and when I didn't see him until about five minutes to go I knew that he would be in the Big Mindblowing WTF at the end.

Just today I changed my avie (which currently can't be seen) to "I Love Con Men," which now includes Sayid, perhaps the most clever and dreamy-eyed of them all.

I cannot find any fault at all with this episode which is why my vote was a 10. The directing was superb. One of my favorite scenes in the episode was Sawyer walking into the room Kate was in. I knew who it was immediately because it was exactly like Little Sawyer's perspective in "Outlaws" and such an awesome throwback. The writing was the best it's been in a while. Hurley, Miles, Sayid, Sawyer, Ben... everybody had dialogue that was in-character and substantial. Hurley was funnier than he'd been written in a long while, Miles' observations and scenes were laugh out loud good... I think I'm going to have this episode's script memorized by the end of the season.

Every scene was brilliant. There's no way i cannot give less than a 10.

I think I've figured out LOST. It's not really a TV show; it's actually an attempt to drive a large portion of the population completely and utterly bat-s insane. The number of WTF moments this season is made all the more incomprehensible by the fact that we're only 3 episodes into the final 48. I'm not sure what TPTB do to think these things up, but it can't be legal, and would probably put lesser intellects into a vegetative state.
BTW, pretty good show tonight.

I've never been a big fan of Sayid fb/ff in the past but this one blew me away and I gave it (in my opinion anyways) a well deserved 10.
It had several WTF moments and I at the end I was wishing I could watch it all over again, to me that is a 10. I don't necessarily need lots of answers or lots of screen time for a certain character, just keep me surprised and in suspense and I'm happy. :biggrin:
With that said I think there were several answers (confirmation of time discrepancy, ff reveled plenty about the future, character development, etc.) as well as a balanced amount of screen time for all. Definitely a 10 for me.

7.

I hate Sawyer! no forgiveness!

I gave it an eight only because I am reserving my 10's for future episodes, if they can top this one then they will deserve it. Wow! Ben and Sayid in the future? Is this the episode where they formed and alliance in the past and Sayid becomes Ben's "man on the boat"? Sayid trading Kate and the ghost buster for Charlotte was something that I definately didn't see coming. :)

I gave it a 10 because it was perfect. Twisty and mind-bendy plot, excellent moments for all the supporting actors, a superb and moving performance by Naveen Andrews, as well as a beautiful job in directing and cinematography. That little shot of Sawyer's boots shot from under the bed gave me shivers. And all the shots of the helicopter swooping across the island, and then out over the water, were gorgeous and poignant - our first real experience of "leaving" the island. It really tugged at the heartstrings because so very much has happened to these people on that island in the time they've been there. Loves and losses, both. And the ending... wow! Poor Sayid looked like a man who'd pawned his soul and lost the pawn ticket. ( And WTF happened the time he thought with his heart instead of his gun? I daren't even think about it!)

Loved the Skate scene too, which was a bonus since they're my favorite TV couple ever. Such a treat to see them having a real conversation again. And Sawyer putting himself out there emotionally was very touching. I hurt for both these characters, for all their screw-ups and baggage, and I root for them to be together because they just fit sooo well, and they have so much color and passion together as a couple. Their scene was a nice bonus for me in an already great episode.

All in all, a fine piece of story telling in what looks to be an amazing season. Kudos to all for sheer brilliance on every level. :biggrin:

Yeah Jack, I agree much slower than the first 2, which I gave both 10's. Plus this episode was just taking us places we've never been before, like you said with the different factions being held at gunpoint, and deceived by your friends (supposedly). Lots of questions were introduced with very little answers. I don't know but it just didn't seem to be the typical LOST episode we see. Lots of things introduced with very little expansion or explanation. I gave it a 6.

I gave this episode a 7. Liked the Jack, Kate, and Sawyer moments. :) I agree with you on everything you just said... things were left in the air.. like pretty much all the way through the episode.. in every scene.. from the helicopter, to Desmond asking the freighters if they know Penny. I know this is just the start of Season 4... but we should have had a wrap up with Penny by now.. we should really focus more on her.. I know we'll be getting our answers with her sooner or later.. but why not now? We all know that it wasn't her boat, but Ben's.. but doesn't Desmond have a right to know some answers after everything he had gone through with Charlie in the last season? It was a pretty intense Season!!

Then with Sayid? I was in shock by him becoming Ben's 'hitman' to protect his friends! You just don't see someone like him joining his side.. (he's always been the cautious, strong, and smart character on the show. Someone you knew who was a Republican guard (a torture).. so you would think he would have out-smarted Ben!? At the end.. I couldn't help, but feel so sad for him (sacrificing himself to protect and save his friends. Takes guts! Just like what Charlie did, but in a different way..admirable).. and a bit disappointed in him too with trusting Ben?

How does Sayid know Ben will keep his word if he kills everyone on his list? How can he trust him? Thats what got to me in this episode.. seeing Sayid in that position.. wow :eek2:


I have to admit this episode was sad, but pretty good, with all those crazy and unexpected
twist and turns! :)

I gave this episode a 7. Liked the Jack, Kate, and Sawyer moments. :) I agree with you on everything you just said... things were left in the air.. like pretty much all the way through the episode.. in every scene.. from the helicopter, to Desmond asking the freighters if they know Penny. I know this is just the start of Season 4... but we should have had a wrap up with Penny by now.. we should really focus more on her.. I know we'll be getting our answers with her sooner or later.. but why not now? We all know that it wasn't her boat, but Ben's.. but doesn't Desmond have a right to know some answers after everything he had gone through with Charlie in the last season? It was a pretty intense Season!!

Then with Sayid? I was in shock by him becoming Ben's 'hitman' to protect his friends! You just don't see someone like him joining his side.. (he's always been the cautious, strong, and smart character on the show. Someone you knew who was a Republican guard (a torture).. so you would think he would have out-smarted Ben!? At the end.. I couldn't help, but feel so sad for him (sacrificing himself to protect and save his friends. Takes guts! Just like what Charlie did, but in a different way..admirable).. and a bit disappointed in him too with trusting Ben?

How does Sayid know Ben will keep his word if he kills everyone on his list? How can he trust him? Thats what got to me in this episode.. seeing Sayid in that position.. wow :eek2:


I have to admit this episode was sad, but pretty good, with all those crazy and unexpected
twist and turns! :)

I completely agree. Hurley was just so out of character, and so was Sayid in that final scene. I really hope there's a good explanation. I don't care what "side" Ben's on, he's just pure evil.

Last season, Lost started a little slow, but then improved until every one of the last several episodes was a joy to watch. This season's episodes have all been strong--can they keep this up a whole season?

The show seems to be ramped up as far as action and reveals go. Sure, we're not getting answers with 40+ shows left in the mystery series, but I get the feeling we're getting to the heart of the story. By the end of the season, we'll have a nice puzzle of past, present, and future pieces with which to work. We'll have an idea why the island is important, and to whom it is important. But, chances are, we'll feel like we don't know anything. That's what a great mystery is all about.

I was spoiled for tonight's episode, and I think that I'm going to go spoiler-free for a while to remember what that was like. Lost is delivering so much now that I think I would enjoy watching the show more without knowing what is going to be shown. Spoilers are so addicting, though!

I gave tonight's episode a 9, again, saving the 10 for really, really good episodes. This was merely a really good episode.

There seemed to be a million little pieces of information delivered tonight, and I am not as observant as some on the Lage. I look forward to reading other's observations.

But I liked the human drama on tonight's show, squeezed in between and during the more openly Lost mythology scenes. Relationships explored with no sign of sappiness. Island politics twists and turns. Sayid's flash-forwards scenes. Ben.

I enjoyed the scene in which Sawyer kept Kate captive, even though she was the only one brandishing a gun. Good stuff.

Even though I was spoiled, I had no idea that Hurley was still a part of Team Locke. That happy little surprise was one of the things that made me decide to avoid spoilers for a while.

I continue to love Emerson's portrayal of Ben, and I like that the writers allow him to have some of the funniest lines on the show. The iced tea scene cracked me up.

But tonight, the show belonged to Naveen Andrews, who, like all the other Lost cast, is used too infrequently on the show (we need Lost three times a week to accommodate all the cast). Sayid seems to be the most pragmatic, level-headed, and sly Lostie. Women I watch the show with seem to appreciate him for other reasons. I have, over the years, really enjoyed Sayid's scenes, and tonight was no exception.

I don't know which scene was my favorite tonight. However, I really enjoyed the sequence of shots that started with Jack and Lapidus were talking about Sayid taking on the Charlotte mission. Lapidus asked Jack if Sayid was a diplomat from Iraq, to which Jack replied, "No, he was a torturer"--funny how the context and delivery of this line made me crack up. We then get a nice shot of an intense Sayid, marching off on his mission. Again, good stuff.

That little shot of Sawyer's boots shot from under the bed gave me shivers.Oh yes, a great tie-in to little Sawyer hiding under his bed when his father walked in his room and committed suicide. There were other, little interesting shots in this episode as well (Sayid looking at the island as he was leaving--a freaking Lostie leaving the island!!)--I should have given it a 10.

To Naveen and all those involved in tonight's show--job well done. A good mix of drama and Lost-reveals, with some comedic relief thrown in.

I was blown away by this episode. Sayid as one of the Oceanic 6 wasn't a great surprise, but the way he blew that guy away, then Elsa being a hitwoman, and then Ben is his BOSS! :eek2: That was the best so far this season, and I just know they will get better.

Had to give it a 10! My jaw dropped at the end. I'm glad I decided to not be spoiled this season...there is always time to watch it again :)

i gave it 9, Lost and Sayid are back to they're best!
keep up the killing Sayid :biggrin:

Twists and turns unexpected, whoa factor, even after reading every spoiler I could find! A 10!

I've jumped the gun with the previous two episodes and would have rated them just slightly lower because of the two major contrivances that bugged me: Naomi's stupid death and the plane and bodies intact at the bottom of the ocean.

But tonight? 10, no question about it. I was entertained from beginning to end.

I need more time to process, but just let me ask again: Are the flashforwards the best thing to have happened to this show since they blew the hatch or WHAT?

Keep it up, Season 4. You're doing good.

I can't believe a gave a mid-season episode a 10.
This one ROCKED!
100%
just let me ask again: Are the flashforwards the best thing to have happened to this show since they blew the hatch or WHAT? I'm a believer...

Wow, didn't think they could still do it - take a character we thought we knew, and take him a totally different direction - after all this time. I never would have expected this of Sayid, and thought they had turned him to the "dark side" - but then we get that great scene with Ben, Sayid so pained about what he has to do, but he keeps doing it anyway, to save his friends. Once again, a lesson in nothing is black and white. Brilliant. So glad to see Sayid with a solid storyline developing too. :clap:

6 .. it's good. but i kind of didnt like what Sayid has become -- because of Ben, or to save his friends. i love his character, but it seems like what he does kills him inside .. hate to see him like that. :(
God, this episode made my heart pound especially when Sayid was shot OMG! i thought he was gonna die *faint* .. & some ANSWERS (or more hints) ! wow! especially the time discrepancy & what Ben does.



ETA: okay, maybe i should've given this episode an 8. :ohwell:

OMG. the ending was like mind blowing <333. but I rated it an 8 because overall the episode was a a little slower then the other two.

9.. things are starting to heat up.
couple of things i've noticed
- the division of the Losties is starting to take a turn that looks ugly (Hurley betraying his friends)
- Ben can treat gun shot wounds. means he has some medical skills (probably more on that in the future and on the island)
- Ben travels off-island quite a bit. wonder if that was meant for Richard, but changed due to real-world consquences?
- both actors in the golf scene more than likely don't golf in real life! ;)

looking forward to Epi 4!

Brilliant episode. Naveeen rocked the house with his performance. All the twists and turns and the ending was out of this world. I noticed when he killed Elsa that he had given her Naomi's bracelet too. It was just great all around, I give it a big fat 10.

A 10 for sure! What a fantastic episode...so many little points to think about now.

Only gave it a 7. That 7 was for Sayid alone. The rest of it was slow and goofy. Having Kate even debate whether to stay or not is absurd.......unless she knows she is sterile the idea is well, at least "goofy" if not suicidal.

......and what's up with Hurley? When did he become such a spineless wimp where Locke's concerned? One minute he's in Locke's face and the next a rat trapping his friends.

I understand that not every eppisode can be excellent. I rated a 7 because of a few reasons:
I thought syids flash forward was a little boring.
I hate that syid works for ben in the future.
I didn't think it was in Hugos charactor to do what he did.
I still liked the eppi though.

I have to disagree with some of the comments complaining about the slow pacing of the early flash forwards. If anything it reminded me of a piece of music, rising to a crescendo as it plays out. Sayid is one heck of an operator. Beth apparently even better to get the best of a wary Sayid. Seems like they are coming at the Oceanic 6 from all sides and giving as good as they are getting.
I thought the whole thing was brilliant. Confirmation of Island slow time, shifting alliances, Hurley's deception...WOW

I'm giving it an 8. A couple things I didn't like: Hurley, wtheck?! I'm hoping we'll get to see how that actually came about.. and I'm hoping that Locke gave Hurley no choice in the matter. Of course then that makes Locke a little more hateful, but... UGH, Hurley ALWAYS does right by his friends, and this just doesn't seem right.
I'm also not sure what's going on with Desmond, it just confuses me.

On the other hand, the other 40 minutes were excellent! When Miles said, "not yet.." Squeeeee! I love him. I think he's totally harmless, and his bark is much worse than his bite. I still can't even believe what's happening to the losties in the future, Hurley and Jack blew me away the last few episodes, but now Sayid??! working for Ben??! KILLING PEOPLE??! I want to know what happened to Nadia. I almost fell over when he shot the guy on the golf course. Oh, and the 31 minute time thing? I can't even begin to process that yet!

I rated this episode low.

I enjoyed the FFs with Sayid and felt like they were the saving grace of the entire episode. I'm not liking the idea of Sayid being an assassin for Ben, but I can see why that would happen. However, I will like it even less if the writers ever try to convince us that Sayid didn't indeed sell his soul to the devil when he went to work for Ben because trying to paint Ben as anything but evil is ridiculous. He murdered 40 people in one fail swoop and there just isn't enough grey in the world to justify that.

I thought the characters seemed grossly out of character too many times.

Let's start with Jack. All of the sudden he's just become calm, subdued and all meh whatever you think Sayid, I'll just sit here and chill while you go negotiate for the hostage and oh by the way, take Kate with you because I want to get to know the pilot and the cool little physicist guy better. Oh, I'm also just going to sit back on this log and let the cool little physicist guy contact the freighter and have a rocket launched at us, yeah because I'm mellow, disinterested Jack in this episode, so like who cares if I just sat here and allowed the little nerd to call in the calvary.

Next we have Sayid, who appears to be looking out for Sayid and only Sayid so of course he doesn't want Jack to come along, Jack would see right through it or perhaps he already did when he noticed how eager Sayid was to be the first one on that helicopter, but meh, Jack is tired, so whatever, go Sayid and take Kate with you because you know I'm just no longer concerned about her safety. So Sayid the king of paranoia walks right into a trap that was so obvious not even I was buying it. Remind me to never go on a covert operation with this guy because so far he's kind of sucking at obtaining the element of surprise. So Sayid gets him and his two friends captured and is happy to negotiate with crazy Locke instead of just snapping the fool's neck, taking Charlotte, putting a bullet between Ben's eyes and getting everyone out of there. I guess such a scene would eliminate the need for about 10 episodes though.

Let's talk about Hurley. Hurley would never sell out his friends like that, especially now that he's realizing Locke's train has jumped the tracks, but we're supposed to believe he was okay with it and that Sayid and Kate were stupid enough to fall for it. Horrible, horrible contrived setup.

Next we have Josh Holloway attempting to pull off sweet and gushy and failing miserbly at it, but that's okay because EL ain't selling it either and the sad, somber music dubbed into a feeble attempt to convince the audience that we were actually watching something that was supposed to be touching or moving made that the worst acted/directed scene in the history of LOST. But, bad acting aside, it's been two days since Kate reminded Sawyer that she could be pregnant, yet the Southerner suddenly goes stupid and can't imagine why his one true love wants to leave the island and guess what, Kate's forgotten all about it too. I hate it when the writers give the characters amnesia.

Desmond suddenly shows up and is all about getting on that helicopter even though Penny didn't send it for him after he convinced poor Charlie to dive to his death because he believes so much in his visions and here again we have a calm, suddenly disinterested Jack not the least bit interested in WTF Desmond is talking about, who Penny Widmore is and why he thinks these people were sent specifically for him.

I thought the characters in this episode were written very poorly and that there were too many contrived situations. Perhaps they were too busy planning for their strike to worry about continuity or believeability?

Yes, the episodes are definitely moving at a rocket pace now, but at what cost? I barely recognized the characters last night.

JMO

I rated it an 8. It wasn't as amazing as the premier, but it certainly had its share of WTF moments. The whole Sayid storyline was amazing, as was the Ben reveal. Adored the Skate scene, the shots of the helicopter leaving the island, the information we got from Daniel about the time discrepancy, Miles being an object of the trade (ha!).

Points were docked for Hurley being totally out of character and disappointing, as well as a bit of confusion as to why Desmond is suddenly ok with going on a helicopter he saw Claire getting in.

Good information in the episode, but I'm beginning to feel, once again, that they're just shooting stuff at us. We don't have enough information to put anything together, so it's just "stuff".

I know that we will have enough info to put things together soon, and all of this is set-up, it's just a little annoying.

I did like seeing Ben though:biggrin:

I was going to give it 8 not because it wasn't awesome, but it wasn't quite as awesome as the last one.

I gave it a 9 though for Naveen's hairdo. Wowza. :p

I give this episode a 9. I thought it was really great, I didn't give it a 10 because I wasn't surprised that Ben was still alive and still the "boss". Although I think it does deserve a 10 based on the way Sayid looked, YOWZA!! What a gorgeous guy!

I gave this episode a 10 and the only reason I did that is because the scoring system didn't go to 20. I love this episode top 5 all time for me. I think Sayid plays off being the Bond type great, episode had me on the edge from the very beginning.

I gave it an 8 for the big reveals and the WTF-moments. But I'm not yet ready t ocommit to the 9 and 10 ratings because despite all the info we're given I'm still lacking a framework for reference. I am fairly sure that there'll be episodes this season which will fill those gaps and put all the info into context, and I'm saving my highest ratings for those ;)

8
After comfirmed dead, I expected a lot more from this episode.. and it didnt happen for me. Still good though.




"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

I gave it a 10. I loved this episode! So many twists and turns! Sayid is my favorite and he was beyond awesome in this episode!

I'm also really liking Daniel! Can't wait to find out his story!

Loved the ending. What a shocker! At first I thought it was Christian Shephards voice so it was a thrill to see it was Ben! He is such a perfect villain.

Loved it.. gave it a 9!

Another reason why Naveen should be given more screentime, he's such a talented actor and im really glad Sayid is one of the oceanic 6, even if he's working for Ben...

Really expected to see Nadia though.. wonder why he isn't looking for her

The writing in this show is absolutely perfect! What a ride.. Amazing job!

.... I wasn't surprised that Ben was still alive and still the "boss"....

I think we are the only two people on this board who were not surprised by this!!!

I gave this epi an 8. It was really good, but the animosity between the losties was too much and a little predictable that Ben will be the 'boss'.... However, I liked all the action and the fast paced story telling, AND THE FACT THAT FINALLY SOMEONE GETS OFF THE ISLAND!!! :) :) :)

.... that we will see where they go hopefully (not like Michael).

9 !!my Brain Is Fried With All The Constant Story Backflips!!!!!

And ,yeah,the Spookiest End Ever!!!

It took two full viewings of this episode for me to grasp everything and form an opinion. It was well done, but I lost things in the first viewing that I picked up on the second.

Sayid's first few moments in the FF were a great WTF moment. The stuff in the middle was meh, and the ending was fantastic - along with some VERY key dialogue (which I missed the first time around).

Sayid is crying about killing Ingrid (was that her name?), which of course Ben berates him for because he shouldn't be thinking with his heart. Bad for killing and all. Ben reminds Sayid what happened the last time he let his heart do the thinking instead of his gun. Thereafter, Sayid states "That's how you recruited me to start killing for you." This makes me wonder if Sayid's long lost love was murdered by these other others. SOMETHING triggered Sayid's killing instinct. Perhaps a revenge mission. The other line that just gave me chills was "Do you want to keep you friends safe?" This tells me that perhaps Sayid HAS to keep killing to eliminate the threat against his friends, but which friends? The Oceanic 6 or the ones on the island or both? When I first watched the episode, I thought Sayid had become this heartless killing machine, but upon second viewing of the final moments, key information spilled out. It seems that Sayid HAS to do what he's doing. He's not enjoying it. This may also be what's contributing Jack's decline in the FF because he KNOWS what Sayid is having to do to keep "friends safe." Just a theory at the moment.

I'm really enjoying Frank and Daniel. I noted that when Desmond asked Frank if he ever heard of Penny Widmore, Frank glanced at Daniel and neither one said a word. Hmmmm. Why the big secret? What do they know? It's also clearly obvious that Daniel had a theory about the island and that he is very much aware of its incredible anomalies. He knew EXACTLY what he was looking for when he set up his little beacon. The fact that time was delayed 31 minutes was another huge Lost moment. Is time affected exponentially the further you move away from the island? Daniel was emphatic when he told Frank not to deviate from the original course he came to the island on. Why? What would happen?

Miles is really grating on my nerves. Leaving him behind with Team Locke is going to make that particular crew an absolute nightmare to live with between Miles and Sawyer going at it and Ben and Locke locking horns. It will be fun to watch however. Locke is already in his "I'm the boss" mode, which never surprised me, and Ben was doing his best to make Locke look foolish because Ben tries to do that with everyone. He knows Locke's weaknesses, and he's going to do everything he can to exploit them. And what about the cabin? It can move and reappear? Was it ever real or an hallucination? Another hmmmmmm.

I'm really liking Jack and Sayid (Team SayJack) because they just work well together. No angst, no arguing. They discuss strategy and make decisions. Very nice. Sayid's explanation of why Jack was not the best person to go for the rescue was a good one. Wanting to kill Locke would just make things more complicated, and Jack didn't argue. Even though Jack wasn't going, his instincts were still spot on. He suspected Locke of being duplicitous, which is why he didn't want Sayid going by himself. His conversation with Kate said it all (paraphrasing):

Jack: You should go with him.
Kate: You don't trust Sayid?
Jack: I don't trust Locke

Turns out Jack was right, and Locke had planned an ambush. Locke was expecting the Freighters to come for Charlotte, but I'm not exactly sure why they want to keep Charlotte if they are trying to hide from the Freighters. Wouldn't keeping her draw them to the group? Isn't that exactly what happened? Isn't hiding the reason why they all WENT with Locke? Here's a few other head scratcher moments:

What the heck is up with Hurley? Since when does he trust Locke and Rousseau over Sayid and Kate? When did Locke EVER demonstrate that he deserved that kind of loyalty? Also, Hurley is afraid that Sayid will hurt him because he saw Sayid kill the guy on the beach? Uh, hello Hurley, but you also turned the Dharma bus into your own personal killing machine, remember? Eh, I'll cut Hurley some slack because he clearly has a case of the guilts in his previous FF for going with Locke.

Also, Kate's not exactly trusting of Sawyer is she? When she's hiding in that room, and she sees someone from under the bed, she comes up with the gun pointed at Sawyer, and when Sawyer puts his finger to his lips to tell her not to say anything, Kate doesn't hesitate to call for Sayid. That was a surprise. I mean, there was no hesitation to rat out Sawyer's presence.

Lastly, why is Sawyer so anxious to stay? That makes no sense whatsoever. I can understand why Kate, Locke, and Rose would want to stay, but not Sawyer. He has nothing waiting for him out there? Um, what about a certain little girl? What about simply trying to turn his life around? Since when does Sawyer want to become domesticated? There is nothing on the island, and if anything ever goes wrong on the island, which of course it will, there's no way to get off in time. This is preferable than living in, say Hawaii, New York, Australia, London? The island is better? I don't get it.

Overall, the episode was good and introduced more information and even began to hint at some theories viewers have been having for a while. Good job.

I give the episode a 10. It had several "oh my" moments. And it gave us a lot of new information to digest.

I loved how the losties all went to New Otherton to do their face off. I absolutely adored the Sawyer line about playing house, Sawyer and Kate are so wonderful together. And of course the ending was, to me at least, the equivalent of last seasons FF!

9/10

I probably should have given this episode a ten too, but thats all I have given so far this season. I am really happy with the overall direction and the arch the show has taken so far, and continue to be entertained. I thought Naveen Andrew performance was terrific and the episode was well penned. Good dialog and character interactions, one of my favorite lines was Hurley to Miles, oh great they sent us another Sawyer." The experiment Daniel performed with the rocket was extremely intriguing and his ominous warning to the pilot about returning to the freighter was quite thought provoking. Ben being alive in the flash-forwards was not a huge surprise to me and if Jacks flash forward is further along it is very possible Ben is who was in the coffin? The bracelets are very interesting and it seems likely that Naomi and Elisa were both working for the same man, the man Ben and Sayid are after and who sent the freighter to the island. There were so many great things about the episode... I cant wait until next week. :)

I give it a 7. Flashforwards were interesting and there were a few interesting bits like 31 minutes difference, Ben's secret room but I didn't find the rationale behind seperation of losties and its implications too sound, making characters quite stupid and irrational. And I don't like episodic emotional state of characters. Where did Sawyer in "Brig" and Hurley who was grieving for Charlie go?

I always start at a 10 and hope I don't have to work my way backward. Hope was lost with Hurley's "they left me behind" ala Juliet scene. Shamelessly predictable and so out of character. I have a feeling the writers will be apologizing for that scene as they did for the one in which Hurley finds out Michael killed Libby and does NOTHING. And while he's reminding Sayid of his neck snapping ways, he conveniently forgets he used his HOPE van to take out an Other himself. That scene and Jack's overall "whatever" attitude brought the score down to 8. But Sayid's outstanding performance saved the epi for me so I ended up at 9.

this episode was kinda weird. but cool. like the end... i was like WTF???!!! but Sayid is trying to protect the others of Oceanic 6

Pretty, pretty, pretty good! I gave it a 7.

I really liked this episode, I was definitely surprised by the twist and turns (which is why I gave it a 9). My only draw back is that Sayid is one of my favorite characters so I didn't like having him look so beaten down and sad at the end. That's the only reason it kept me from giving it a 10.

Lastly, why is Sawyer so anxious to stay?

Why wouldn't he be anxious to stay. He is a confidence man so its not like he has a career to get back to, he got his revenge on the person who destroyed his life, and most importantly this is the place where he fell in love for the first time why wouldn't he want to hold on to those emotions for a lifetime.

I rated it an 8. It wasn't as amazing as the premier, but it certainly had its share of WTF moments. The whole Sayid storyline was amazing, as was the Ben reveal. Adored the Skate scene, the shots of the helicopter leaving the island, the information we got from Daniel about the time discrepancy, Miles being an object of the trade (ha!).

Points were docked for Hurley being totally out of character and disappointing, as well as a bit of confusion as to why Desmond is suddenly ok with going on a helicopter he saw Claire getting in.


Jenny, I'm not attacking you with this post. But I have seen a few others questioning the same points with Hurley and Desmond, so I wanted to make a few general points to everyone that feels Hurley and Desmond were out of character.

My thoughts on Hurley are that he was forced to do what he did, He knew Locke had the place surrounded, and instead of there being a major shoot out between both sides, this was a way to prevent that from happening. He played the part because if he didn't, there is a good chance that guns would be fired, and people would end up hurt or dead, and Hurley would do almost anything to prevent that.

As with Desmond, Yes, maybe he should show more remorse about Charlie giving his life, and telling him it is not Penny's boat. But Naomi did have a picture of Penny, and how she got that picture or why she showed up with it a mystery to Desmond, one that concerns someone he cares for more then someone he recently met on the island. No one was going to give him a real answer about where the picture came from, so getting on the helicopter is the only way he may find out information.

Also, we don't know if Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire and Aaron leaving, but besides that point, if he was telling the truth, there are major concerns with who the frieghties are and why they are there. So him checking it out before letting Claire and Aaron leave is a noble thing, not something to hate on. Finally, there is no proof that this is even the helicopter Desmond saw Claire and Aaron leave on. For all we know, that helicopter won't be arriving until the end of the series.

I usually like Sayid-centric episodes, but I felt some of the fast-forwards dragged a little. I also didn't like the idea of Sayid having to kill for Ben (who I was hoping would get his comeuppance and soon), so even though the ending was shocking and exciting, I didn't enjoy watching it. The whole "If I bring back Charlotte, let me leave" premise felt a little like stalling an extra episode before anyone used the helicopter. Plus I found it unconvincing that Hurley, Sawyer and Danielle are following Locke's orders like mindless minions. Some of the dialogue attempting to be humorous or ironic felt clunky, which is rare for this show until this season. Nevertheless, there were some nice moments, and I like seeing Sayid in the foreground. I also found Faraday's experiment intriguing and funny. Overall, I rated it a 6.

I gave it a 7. Because I had the ending spoiled for me by my brother.

Had it not been for that I would say 9 or 10.

you shouldve given it 9. the episode has nothing to do with you being spoiled.

I gave this episode an 8.

I thought that Naveen Andrews stole the show as Future!Sayid - and I have to say that these flashforwards were some of my favourites (beaten only by the Hurley/Charlie scene) the scene that Sayid and Elsa shared in the bedroom was perhaps my favourite of the night, both actors were excellent and played off each other with such skill that I genuinely believed that they were together. I hope that we see Elsa again in the future, as she seems like a very interesting and complex woman. Sayid was developed very well throughout the episode and I loved that despite his new role as a hitman that he still feels compassion - I think that there is hope yet for Sayid.

One thing that I am really disappointed about is that we never got to see the scene where Charlotte met Sayid for the first time, I really wanted a repeat of: "I am Sayid Jerrah and I am a torturer." but I suppose that was just a wee bit too much wishful thinking.

I was also pretty disappointed that we didn't see Sun and Jin on the beach, they really are getting a raw deal this season. I would rather have seen them packing their belongings than see Locke searching for the cabin.

Other than that it was a fantastic episode - a well deserving 8.

Jenny, I'm not attacking you with this post. But I have seen a few others questioning the same points with Hurley and Desmond, so I wanted to make a few general points to everyone that feels Hurley and Desmond were out of character.
Hey, I totally get your points on both characters and have seen them made in other threads since the ep. What I would say is that, at the moment, their motivations are open to interpretation, since we didn't get any of the explanation that you went through in your post. And of course, on Lost the explanations often come later, which is fine and usually good. In this case, I find the behaviors so different from the characters' previous actions that they were jarring without further narrative as to why.... so I'm sticking with my confusion about their choices until further information comes to light. IMO, in some episodes the character choices are much clearer, and I often end up rating those episodes higher.

Hey, I totally get your points on both characters and have seen them made in other threads since the ep. What I would say is that, at the moment, their motivations are open to interpretation, since we didn't get any of the explanation that you went through in your post. And of course, on Lost the explanations often come later, which is fine and usually good. In this case, I find the behaviors so different from the characters' previous actions that they were jarring without further narrative as to why.... so I'm sticking with my confusion about their choices until further information comes to light. IMO, in some episodes the character choices are much clearer, and I often end up rating those episodes higher.

Yeah, I totally agree with you about waiting for the explanation for the motivation . I mean, i could be eating crow if the explanations don't turn out the way I think they will, lol.

I liked it very much. The ending was quit the suprise especially since Ben dont want to leave the Island.

Another solid episode, I gave it an 8, season four has been terrific so far. I can't wait to see more.

There were so many reveals in this ep I had to watch it twice to take everything in. The ending was one of the best ever, I'm so glad I wasn't spoiled. I thought the voice sounded a little like Ben but I was still really shocked to see him.
Naveen Andrews did a brilliant job in this episode, I'm glad he has been getting more screentime this season, I've always found Sayid to be a very intriguing character.
Frank was great in this episode and I'm starting to warm to Daniel a little more now, but I still can't stand Miles or Charlotte.
The flash forwards have been a wonderful addition to the show and I'm really enjoying them. :)

Great season so far. Lets hope it keeps up the pace and keeps getting better

excellet ep but im not happy with what they did with Sayid's character. good over-all

2.
Not that having people get off the Island wasn't a jump the shark moment, but having Sayid working as a globe trotting playboy assassin working for Ben is going a little too far. What would I have said if you told me that's how his character was going to end up back in Season 1, 2, or 3? I would have said it was crap and that you had some whacked out theory. Unfortunately, it's not just some whacked out theory. Every scene of him off the island was cringe-inducing. How could anyone find this compelling?I also don't know how anyone could believe that Lindelof and Cuse had thought of this anytime before the second half of season 3.

8/10. I really liked what we saw of Sayid's character arc, and Frank Lapidus is growing on me.