What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)

I'm going with an 8 this time around. Good ep overall. The Locke moments were amazing... & insane! :shock1: The Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing isn't really something I generally care much about but I think it was pretty well done in this ep. I was actually somewhat interested & that's not easy to do. :) Great set ups for the, I'm sure, convoluted way everyone will reach these endpoints in the futureflashes. Can't wait to see what happens next. ;)

Overall I was a bit disappointed. But to be fair, I have a horrible headache and that may have tarnished my viewing experience.

I guess it doesn't help that I was unwittingly spoiled by the Aaron twist. :mad:

Gets a 5 from me. Great on Island action can't make up for all the basic factual errors that take place during Kates "trial". If not for the on island scenes, this would be in Stranger In a Strange Land territory.

I gave it a 9 just because I thought it was so much better than "The Economist" which I only gave a 6. I thojught this epi great, with the nice reveal about Aaron at the end and all the additional questions, very intriguing, but one of the main reasons I liked it so much is because they didn't "Cheat" us by letting Kate's past actions be ignored. They actually had an explanation for why we saw her in TTLG and why she wasn't in jail.

I gave it an 8. Its a Kate EP with some interesting Locke moments and Miles with Ben but nothing of the OMG or WTF moments. I would have gave it a seven but then that Locke moment with the grenade shot up the rating to an 8.

It was okay, more of an in-between episode than anything else. Anyone else wish that someone would punch Locke a few times? He's become such a self-righteous jerk. Him terrorizing Miles just put him on my hate list now. Sorry, it's been confirmed that the most dangerous people on this island are the Losties themselves.

The Monsters are due on Lostie Island.

Guess we return next week to what happened to the helicopter.

What a fantastic episode!!!! Where do I start?

Locke is a freak of nature...I mean I despise him, but wow is he interesting. Sticking a grenade in someone's mouth is hardcore! And the way he's running the barracks with his my way or the highway attitude. It's very intriguing.

Loved the Kate and Sawyer stuff...the kissing and the smacking both ;). I really think Kate is way too moody though...lol. I mean I know Sawyer can stick his foot in his mouth, but she was so all over the place that I can see why he was confused ;)

And the flash forwards continue to impress. I definitely didn't see the Aaron twist coming at all. And hearing the story about the 8 survivors was chilling. I knew they had created a story to cover something up, but hearing it spouted as fact really makes me want to know what on earth happened that they all have to lie.

I guess it doesn't help that I was unwittingly spoiled by the Aaron twist. :mad:

I sympathize with you. The same thing happened to me.

As far as the episode goes. It was interesting... I don't know what to rate it yet, it was definitely not as packed as the first 3 episodes were but hey not every episode can be The Economist. The otherville parts were OK but nothing spectacular. The beach parts were great and the flashforwards were great as well.

The best part though was Locke putting the grenade in Miles's mouth:eek2:

It was okay, more of an in-between episode than anything else. Anyone else wish that someone would punch Locke a few times? He's become such a self-righteous jerk.

Guess we return next week to what happened to the helicopter.


I gave it a 10. I was actually adjusting upwards from a 9 just to help skew for those who just couldn't wait for a heli episode. No patience I tell ya. ;) There's other great stories to tell here, and I think they did a great job of doing it. More later. :) Can't wait for next week.

I'm sorry but to me this episode was a major major letdown. The Economist was a brilliant episode. This was a pile of poo compared to it. They didn't ignore Kate's prior crimes? Are you kidding? She got PROBATION for MURDER! That's insanely idiotic. Kate could have cured cancer and it shouldn't make up for the fact that she commited cold blooded murder, or robbed a bank where innocent people could havae been killed.

I'd rather they just "cheated" us by ignoring Kate's past all together than have that ridiculous trial.

Calm down, I gave it a 7....compared to the first three episodes, it's a 7. I didnt say it was horrible. But I guessed the twist the moment it was brought up that she had a kid. I'll watch it again tomorrow to pick it apart for clues. :)

The moment someone hits locke a few times, that episode gets a 10. :)

I gave it a 10. I was actually adjusting upwards from a 9 just to help skew for those who just couldn't wait for a heli episode. No patience I tell ya. ;) There's other great stories to tell here, and I think they did a great job of doing it. More later. :) Can't wait for next week.

I gave it an 8. Mostly because of the trial quirks and I felt too many significant small details were held back from us.I guess it doesn't help that I was unwittingly spoiled by the Aaron twist. :mad:My husband was not spoiled and he didn't even catch it. He thought Kate called him "Eric". :rolleyes:

And hearing the story about the 8 survivors was chilling. I knew they had created a story to cover something up, but hearing it spouted as fact really makes me want to know what on earth happened that they all have to lie.Yes, that was intense and I NEED to know who the 2 that "didn't survive" the rescue were!!

They didn't ignore Kate's prior crimes? Are you kidding? She got PROBATION for MURDER! That's insanely idiotic.Well, they did lose their only witness in the murder case. :shrug:

While I liked it, I felt it was an intire setup epi. Aside from answering the question as to why Kate wasnt in jail in the S3 finalie. Im looking forward to next week.

I gave it a 9. I loved it, the FF was amazing, as was the twist (even though I too was unwittingly spoiled, and I have been avoiding spoilers!!!), the Miles/Ben stuff, even Locke (who I generally dislike) gets points for going way over the line to crazy town.

Deduction for Kate's messed up island behavior with Sawyer, despite him being right to call her on it. Why did she even go to him, if she was just going to blow him off and explain none of her motivations? She doesn't need to sleep with him, but maybe explaining why she wanted to see Miles would have been nice.

A plus for more Claire screentime is cancelled out with her lack of sadness for Charlie.

Reasons why I gave this a six:

1. "Do you love her?"

2. The writers having a perfect chance to give us that little burst of Claire-grief to help us get past her lack of grieving for Charlie but being too focused on Kate to capitalize on it.

3. The last Locke/Miles scene being too over the top.

4. The overly cheese-ball romantic antics of Kate/Sawyer/Jack

5. Weird pacing and awkward flashbacks


Reasons why I wanted to give this episode a higher score:

1. The sweet but worrisome Sun and Jin scene at the beginning

2. The news of the missing helicopter

3. Miles' meeting with Ben

4. The new Aaron mystery/reveal

5. Daniel and Charlotte (whatever, I just love the new characters)

6. The over-the-top Locke/Miles scene (yeah, it's on both lists)


I'm just glad this season's weakest episode had so much to enjoy...

Solid. I gave it an 8.

Reasons why I gave this a six:

1. "Do you love her?"



I know whatcha mean, but hear me out.

I really think that given the state of the case, having just lost her key witness, she realized that Jack Shephard's testimony was going to appeal on a very sympathetic level to the jury; that they would totally buy into his story and be moved by this grand story of survival, against the odds (and with Kate as the hero). In short, she knew she was screwed.

She had to make Jack look like an unreliable witness, to expose that he was emotionally invested and would indeed lie on the stand for his love, Kate. The question, 'did you love her' could have done just that, but Jack handled it well.

I thought the scene was great. The entire courtroom scene, even if the defendant should have gone first (or was it the other way around), was great in my opinion. I just loved seeing one of the Losties in such a high profile case, about a frikkin' fugitive that crash landed with others on an island and survived! Cool to see the LOST story spotlighted like that, by the media.



:)

I know whatcha mean, but hear me out.

I really think that given the state of the case, having just lost her key witness, she realized that Jack Shephard's testimony was going to appeal on a very sympathetic level to the jury; that they would totally buy into his story and be moved by this grand story of survival, against the odds (and with Kate as the hero). In short, she knew she was screwed.

She had to make Jack look like an unreliable witness, to expose that he was emotionally invested and would indeed lie on the stand for his love, Kate. The question, 'did you love her' could have done just that, but Jack handled it well.

I thought the scene was great. The entire courtroom scene, even if the defendant should have gone first (or was it the other way around), was great in my opinion. I just loved seeing one of the Losties in such a high profile case, about a frikkin' fugitive that crash landed with others on an island and survived! Cool to see the LOST story spotlighted like that, by the media.



:)

naw that was before she lost her witness, but it would build doubt in jacks testimony :)

but i liked the episode anyways

I'm sorry but to me this episode was a major major letdown. The Economist was a brilliant episode. This was a pile of poo compared to it. They didn't ignore Kate's prior crimes? Are you kidding? She got PROBATION for MURDER! That's insanely idiotic. Kate could have cured cancer and it shouldn't make up for the fact that she commited cold blooded murder, or robbed a bank where innocent people could havae been killed.

I'd rather they just "cheated" us by ignoring Kate's past all together than have that ridiculous trial.

I agree, I thought it was very dissapointing. On a side note, I also loved The Economist last week. But to find out a half *** excuse as to why Kate was let off after facing a life sentance and then she may or may not have kidnapped Aaron? Not doing much for Kate's character right now.

Not to mention the damn ambiguity of the J/K/S love triangle is driving me crazy. I dont think any shipper should be happy at this point.

Anyway, I was hoping for more, instead we just get bossy Locke and Miles blackmailing Ben for 3.2 million dollars? After all that work he just wanted money?

Total dissapointment. :p

A 9 because

-I absolutely love Kate episodes (this one is my favorite for now!).
-The flash forwards were amazing (I read the spoilers, but I'm still in great surprise!).

I really don't know what to rate this episode.

Was it really as bad as i think it was.....or was it just seem that way when compared with The Economist? (not to mention the other 2 episodes this season)

either way, i found it to be a let down. Can't be much better than a 6.

The last two episodes have relied heavily on flashforwards and surprise endings, with the actual island events dull/nonexistant/unimportant. I hope this isn't a continuing trend. This show, above all else, is supposed to be about people surviving on an island, and I hope that doesn't take a back seat for too long.

I gave it a 7. I thought it was a good solid episode. The small continuity issues with the trial, etc didn't really phase me. After all, the show is for entertainment. If I want reality, I'll watch CourtTV.

Also, probation isn't totally out there. As others have pointed out they prosecution lost their star witness. Without the so called confession to the mother, they really didn't have a case. If she had let the lawyer keep going she probably would have gotten out with much less. I've seen people convicted of harsh crimes with hard evidence get off light. It's not impossible.

Anyway, good epi. The only reason I didn't give it a higher rating is because toward the end I kind of saw the whole Aaron thing coming. I read spoilers, but I worked really hard to stay away from anything for this epi.

of course loved episode,,

but thought scene with sawyer and kate in bed in morning was worst scence ever for LOST,, thought i was watching Dynasty, or worse...

of course loved episode,,

but thought scene with sawyer and kate in bed in morning was worst scence ever for LOST,, thought i was watching Dynasty, or worse...

Simplist, I agree with you and I am a Skater, lol. Terrible. Kate needs to get her business in order. Shes heard worse from Sawyer. That was pathetic. If they were going to fight, atleast have a heated fight. Just a huge let down. :p

I'm not sure how to rate this episode. I was entertained... but I have never been more confused about every single aspect of this show in its duration than right now. Everything is sending up red flags, mixed signals and contradictions, and I have no idea what's going on or what's going to happen. Especially with Locke.


I'd say 7 or 8, I guess.

I wanted to be fair, so I rewatched the episode before rating it. I gave the first 3 episodes of the season a solid 10 each, and I'm a huge fan of Kate, but I still can't give this episode more than a 4. To me, it's one of the weakest in the series to date. Very nearly in SIASL territory. I found the trial stuff virtually unwatchable. Excellent actors playing the Prosecutor and the defense attorney, but that somehow only made the less than stellar dialogue.... even less stellar. In fact, I found the dialogue a problem through most of the episode. Kate and Miles comes to mind... just awful. Kate, Sawyer and Jack all felt out of character to me. I'm not the biggest Jack fan, but that scene in the garage made him look like a weanie. And Kate telling Sawyer, "I don't trust you." Huh? Since when? And better yet, "Go home." And he does! Good doggie. Just bad dialogue and characterization with those three characters altogether IMHO.

I gave it a 4 because the Locke stuff was interesting: the scene with Ben, the insane grenade scene with Miles, his scenes with Sawyer and with Kate. The missing helicopter is all kinds of intriguing. I like that they finally took us back to the beach and gave Sun and Jin some lines, and like that we got to see a bit of Claire too.

i gave it a 6. count me in as one of the people who unwittingly came across the aaron spoiler. other than that, the flashforwards were underwhelming. this episode would have been perfect for revealing who was behind the coverup (they could have used that to get kate out of the unrealistic court situation). other disappointments were kate's irrational behavior w/ sawyer and miles' lame blackmailing scene. pluses for more claire screentime, and a sun/jin scene (finally!)

It was a very emotional episode. I liked it. The ending gave me the chills.

OK, let's get this out of the way first... I was laughing throughout the entire soap opera trial and I'm not laughing WITH you, LOST. That was embarrassing. Let's just never talk about it again, as long as you promise never to write Kate episodes and waste my time. Just... don't. So the FF gets a 1 just for Jack's hotness.

I enjoy Psycho Locke very much and I enjoyed the freighties and the revelation about the helicopter as well as Juliet getting in Charlotte's face. Jin was sweet, but it just makes me sad to see him because someone who started watching LOST this season wouldn't even know who he is. I love him.

Even though it's more ridiculous juvenile crap, the one good thing about Sawyer and Kate's aborted romp was that he called her on her bouncy mcbouncy ways. :clapping: to you, even if you were a tactless prick about it.

Ben rocks my world when he pwns Locke and it amuses me how Jack is a big ev0l dictator and the fandom goes nuts, but Locke is somehow cool for it. Good acting is to be expected from Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson and they're the reason the Island segment gets a 6.

Which brings me to a grand total of 3 because well... it did suck overal.

I really can't decide. I mean, I liked the show, like I always do, the trial scenes really dragged for me...possibly because I feel so uninterested in Kate & What Kate Did.

I loved the way Ben is still able to play with Locke's mind, even though Locke is doing a little bit better about not letting Ben see what his effects are. (Although he should've gone out of Ben's hearing before throwing the tray.)

I hate seeing Locke get so scary, but of course that's what keeps him interesting. The scene with the grenade blew my mind...er, so to speak. ha.

I gave it an 8. I liked it. I mean it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I heard that it was going to be a hugely revelatory episode just revealing things left and right and lots of things happening, that wasn't really what it was. I wouldn't argue with anyone who called it a filler. I mean some things happened....the Aaron being with Kate insanity....what the crap is going on there?????......the card game/test with Charlotte and Daniel.....the reveal that something happened to the helicopter......but other than that all we got was more Kate and Sawyer stuff. I guess they have to get it out of the way though. I'm glad we got to see some Jin and Sun dialogue, and Locke, who is awesome!!! And I'm so glad Ben is still around...his dialogue is some of the best on the show, especially on this episode.

A lot of people are complaining about the trial, but I don't really mind how they did with that. I think it's funny how most of the people who are complaining about it think they are lawyers or something talking about how unrealistic it is, but it is a TV show and it's just for entertainment, nothing on TV or film is ever as "realistic" as real life...because it isn't real....and I just think it's kind of ridiculous for people to get all bent out of shape over it...it's not that big of a deal. How else are they going to explain to us how Kate got off?? I think they could have given us some more during the conversation between Ben and Miles, or just something other than Miles wanting money. Although I think they did that to confirm that the freighties are here for more than just Ben....I think Ben was more of Miles' own personal search because he wants that money, but the reason they are all there goes way beyond just Ben.

Overall it was cool. I'm ready for next week though. I was freaking out during that preview. Oh yeah and Locke putting the grenade in Miles' mouth was awesome...Locke actually kind of reminded men of Jack Bauer during that scene...(LONG LIVE JACK B....btw WHERE ARE YOU???!!!). Anyway good episode, not as good as the first three but they can't all be great. I trust the writers though completely and believe they know what they are doing so I'm cool with a not so important episode. And even though it wasn't an overall super fantastic episode, it did have some GREAT moments.

8/10

I thought it was another really good episode in a so far terrific season. Each episode has left me "drooling" in anticipation of the next. Some Kate centric episodes have been less then my favorites in the past, however I really enjoyed this one. I thought Evangeline's performance was terrific and really liked Kate's exchanges with Sawyer. Locke and Ben continue to play their verbal chess match and it is interesting to watch Locke unravel and subsequently compensate as Ben seemingly has him in "check" right now. I have been spoiler free, however I was not surprised that Kate's Son is Aaron... which opens up a whole can of worms. I can't wait til next week, the previews looked fantastic.

I really expected to like this episode more, but I have to agree with those who say it is the weakest of the lot so far. I also think it is the weakest Kate episode I've ever watched. I tried not to judge it in light of other amazing episodes this season (see the first three episodes) but even then I felt that way.

Also, upon reading this thread, I think perhaps I was being overly generous with my 6. Sure, I still liked watching it, it was LOST, but I really can't think of an episode I have been less into. I did see a lot of set up stuff in it, so maybe it just needed to happen to set up future episodes? I don't know.

WHAT I LIKED:
1. Sun and Jin time on the beach. That was so sweet, but also set up some interesting things because if they go back to Korea they could be in danger.
2. I actually really liked Sun questioning if Jack was wrong about the freighter people. They obviously are hiding something, and Sun is right to wonder if this is a good decision...especially when her good friend Kate appears to have jumped to Team Locke (Sun doesn't know what is really going on). I like it when they show our Losties being smart.
3. Daniel and Charlotte at the beach; great scene!
4. Hurley and Sawyer as roommates. Hurley watching Xanadu while Sawyer reads and makes friendly, yet snarky, comments. Dude!
5. The return of Mah jong.
6. The Kate and Sawyer con of Locke (although actually the best part of this was the Sawyer and Locke part).
7. SF book reference...and "I've already read it."
8. I liked how protective Kate was of Aaron and wouldn't let him be used to protect her.

COULD IMPROVE:
1. Locke was perhaps too over the top. I didn't think it was possible, but I even lost all sympathy with our crazy man.
2. I like Sawyer, Jack, and Kate and do not subscribe to one ship or the other with their triangle. However, after amazing scenes last season, I had to say that something just felt off with all of them this episode with anything to do with either Kate relationship. It just didn't click 90% of the time when normally I buy both the Kate/Sawyer and Jack/Kate chemistry.
3. Claire seeming perfectly fine when it is the same day that Charlie died...say what?
4. Hurley...I really wanted an explanation for his behavior last week. It wasn't in character.
5. Flashforwards...mostly kind of slow and not too much happening in them. They did seem more like setups for future episodes.

WORRIED:
Will Claire die? It seems that is the way they are pointing, but these are the masters of razzle-freaking-dazzle. How can we see with sequins in our eyes?

I, too, saw something accidentally when I was scrolling by the spoiler section that made me realize that "him" was probably Aaron...so no surprise for me even though I technically wasn't spoiled.

I'm having a good laugh at all the negativity. Solid 7, consistent episode.

First post, let's see how this goes!

I'd have to be one of the people that didn't really enjoy the FF but really enjoyed the island scenes.

The FF scenes were only good for Jack's fake testimony and eventually the Aaron twist. I could care less about defense/prosecutor going first or the other court quirks, but what gives with the bogus probation? Sure, murder out the window but what about the other 40 convictions the dude rambled off? Come on. And then Kate's mom wants one thing, to see the kid. Kate says no (for whatever reason) and her mom still suddenly decides not to testify. Puhlease.

Anyways, the on-island stuff. I am starting to be in awe of Ben's survivability (as if last week's end wasn't convincing enough). I cannot wait to learn how he keeps on picking apart the minds of others. He ALWAYS has a plan. I thought Locke finally figured him out, until he threw that tray. And Micheal Emerson has just grown on me as well.

Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing is still kinda meh in my eyes. I mean if they wanted me to get interested they shouldn't have told me that Kate eventually leaves with Jack. Kate seemed a little too moody during the bedroom scene. This would've been completely fine if they incorporated it with the little fact that IF SHE'S PREGNANT, SHE DIES! How did that escape conversation? I'd have to say that's my biggest irk of the episode.

Charlie? anyone? Sure, I'm all for a Claire appearance, but I'm sorry, she has to be sad.

Grenade part = sweet

And then there's the eyebrow raisers like the Daniel and Charlotte scene, the phone not working, Locke saying he'd shoot Kate, Jack afraid of Kate's kid, annnnd of course next week's episode trailer!!

I'm having a good laugh at all the negativity.
Same here. :21:



I give this episode a 9. Evangeline Lilly did a great job, too bad i was spoiled about the Aaron thing.:irked:
I liked the con Sawyer & Kate did to Locke. :p Locke is starting to really scare me, but in a good way, LOL.

I gave it a 7. I didn't like it as much as the first three. I dunno, parts of it were really slow and looking in the spoiler board spoiled the end for me. (unlike last week where somehow I managed not to get spoiled for that)

Gave it a 5, I hated the Kate flash forward thought it could have been a lot better one of the only times I felt let down by the writers. What saved it for me was Locke especially when he put the grenade in Miles mouth.

I gave it an 8. It was alright for me. I think that the trial could have been handled a lot better and thus I rated the episode accordingly. Here is what I think would have made the trial story a little better:

The trial goes to completion. Kate is not depicted as the hero she wasn't andKate's mom testifies against her and the jury deliberates. It looks like Kate is going to be convicted but the jury comes back with not guilty (or possibly a hung jury) verdict. Somehow we are shown that one or more of the jury members encounter Abadon and we know that he influenced the jury to let Kate off.

To me that would add more to the mystery than the trial that we were given, but as I said before, the trial scenes aside this was a very good episode.

Gave it an 8 - I thought it was a solid episode - I most definitely didn't dislike it, but it wasn't quite up to the level of the previous episodes.

I'm not a person who understands much about law - but the trial seemed a bit fishy to me. Overall I could buy it - it might also be possible that some of her felonies like the bank robbery haven't even been pinpointed to her (as it can be in case of not knowing the full extent of the criminal's bad job list) - but I think it could've been more convincing.

The other thing I found to be odd was the strangely chipper Claire. I mean - maybe it wasn't necessary for her to break down in tears in every scene, but some awkwardness like in the last 2 episodes would've been in place. Otherwise she sure is handling the loss of Charlie far too well.

Also - not sure why such an episode title - but that's a minor inconvenience comparatively.

"Eggtown" I guess refers to the Great Depression. Instead of money, people were exchanging goods, and egg had the smallest value. I think it refers to the deal O6 made, Kate's trial and the whole Miles situation.

10
just because of Terry's acting. amazing.
and also for a few moments of realizations, a great episode.

Meh. Really sub-standard dialogue with Kate and Sawyer, I agree. After all they've been through, I don't buy it.

And I've officially lost all interest in Locke, which is sad. Now he's just a jerk. No matter what he knows that others don't-- a lot, I'd venture-- he's just being a self-aggrandized pr*ck now. Kate was right, he's a dictator; there's no excuse for that. He told his 'tribe' he was protecting them, but he's really protecting the island now. Dude, pick a side.

I gave it a 10, not because Kate's flashforwards were so great, but mainly because of Locke, I am so excited to see what the heck he is going to do next and because of the moment at the end where my jaw dropped and stayed that way for about 5 minutes!! Great episode.

I just think people must be easily amazed. That or "amazing" is in danger of being as overused as "LOL". I gave it a 5. Definately the worst of the season, but perhaps I'm being harsh since it came after a great episode in The Economist.

I liked the Aaron twist at the end. I was expecting a dark haired Jack look alike. No way was it going to look like Sawyer, too obvious.

The trial was akward as several have pointed out in this thread and others and while I agree (and someone's alternate ending with Abbaddon influencing the jury would have been brilliant) it didn't ruin the episode for me.

I thought the island scenes were bad. Locke at the end was over the top. And I'll say it here. It's a fake grenade. (my opinion, no inside info). In fact, Locke overall was over the top. He has never been the dictator type. Why start now? Sawyer/'Kate scene was painful to watch.

Definately filler.

I gave it an 8 because of the island action. Ben's mind games are still interesting, especially in relation to Locke, and Sawyer deserves way better than Kate so he's better off. Maybe he and Claire can hook up. I'm sick of Kate, though. How many episodes will they devote to her? I don't see her as a noble character at all but maybe she'll prove me wrong in the end. This episode wasn't as enticing as last week but it had some good moments. Next week should be better.

I give it a 10 because I always love stories about Kate. I also loved loved loved the scene between Ben and Locke with them reliving the scene in season 2 with them. Ben looked EVIL again, which is why we fell in love with him :biggrin: . I can't wait to see Locke's downfall. He really has this Island Mythology tucked into his pants with confidence and he will learn that everything is not going to come so easily.

I, of course, love that Jack still loves Kate and love that there is still some sort of mystery behind what's going on between them. But it gives me hope that they will be together, before or after.

I'm glad to see Sawyer snarl again. I do not like this "let's play house" kind of guy. I know that he feels comfortable and maybe safe for now, but I like seeing him mean and snarly. It wasn't nice what Kate did to him, making him feel like they were going to stay, but at least she didn't have sex with him and then leave.

And.......I may be the only one, but I love Miles.

The beach stuff looks like it's heating up next week, which is good. Can't wait to see Jack's reaction when Kate comes back!!

I just think people must be easily amazed. That or "amazing" is in danger of being as overused as "LOL". I gave it a 5. Definately the worst of the season, but perhaps I'm being harsh since it came after a great episode in The Economist.



Definately filler.
Talk about overused expressions! Filler? HOW? The last filler episode was "exposé". A filler episode opens up a storyline and then closes it. And that storyline has no revealance to the main storyline. This episode was slower than the previous episodes, and somewhat transitional, but filler? no way.

Well I gave it a 6 because of the trial scenario and of course I knew right away where the writers were going with the whole Kate and Claire interaction, so Aaron being shown at the end was predictable.The interesting thing will be what Claire does to give her baby up like that(Charlie appearance?) And yes, Locke got my attention with the grenade thing , I would have been tickled if we had heard an explosion sometime , with everyone running to see what it was, or what was left! The Ben - Miles scene was a setup , cause we all know that Miles works for Ben( or am I wrong?)

I gave it the lowest rating possible, -1 I believe. I have never ever seen anything so horrendously stupid and out of character as Kate's behavior. Whoever wrote this episode missed the mark, and for that matter missed the whole area around the target.

Kate doesn't trust Sawyer? Since when!!!! She trusted him enough when she was ranting and raving at Danny Pickett when Sawyer was about to take a bullet for her.

Kate has shown the least possible character growth of anyone on the show. It is ultra clear that Jack, Hurley and Sayid are miserable in the future and can't wait to get back to the island. All I can hope for is that Kate gets left there with her cute little house and her kid. And by the way, Kate has Aaron? What rocket scientist came up with that idea? How lame was that?

Doesn't anyone remember Raised By Another, and how Claire is supposed to be the one that raises Aaron? The answer to that is no, because no one is interested in continuity!!!

And Kate slapping Sawyer after "using" him again? That's all you know how to do Kate, is use people.

The only redeeming factor of the whole show is now I can go back to just focusing on Sawyer. Thanks TPTB, thanks for ruining something that was so special. Thanks for ruining the best chemistry on TV and thanks for making some thing I loved so much, something that barely matters anymore.

What's really sad is that I don't want to quit makin' videos and I don't want to quit writin' fiction, but now they're all gonna be focused on Sawyer. I'll make up my own female character for him to be with, since Kate is so obviously unworthy of a man who loves her so much.

The saddest part of all of it, more than anything else, is how this must be effectin Josh and Evi. They have worked so hard and so long to make these characters what they are, only to see the episode be reduced something this poor.

All I can say is God love them both for being the fine people they are. They don't deserve this mess.

I gave it a 9. Would've been an 8, but that ending! I didn't think it was predictable at all. I'm so glad Kate wasn't pregnant on the island (that would've been redundant, IMO) but I think it's cool that TPTB went with the whole baby scenario another way. And now we get to find out what Claire's psychic meant! :scared:

that was a great episode!!!

Doesn't anyone remember Raised By Another, and how Claire is supposed to be the one that raises Aaron? The answer to that is no, because no one is interested in continuity!!!


are you joking? there's a HUGE gap between the flashforwards and island scenes. we dont know if Claire died or not. Are u telling me, if she died, her corpse would have to raise Aaron?

I gave it a 5, easily the worst of the season so far. The "reveal" at the end was not shocking, I knew it was Aaron as soon as she said she had a baby. It would have been a shock to me if it wasnt him.

It was all too predictable.

I've never thought very highly of the Kate character. And last night's episode fulfilled expectations. I gave it a 3.

Bur it's four episodes into the new season and we finally had a real, old fashioned clunker. That is actually good news in a way, so I am looking forward to next week's show.

I gave it a 5. Meh.

I gave it a 5. This episode was pretty much a waste of time as most Kate-centric episodes are, but I thought that Jack's testimony and his conversation with Kate in the garage gave us some insight into the lie the Oceanic 6 are telling so it did manage to move the story forward in that regard. The reveal about the helicopter not making it was interesting and crazy Locke getting nuttier by the day is entertaining to watch. Miles wanting 3.2 million from Ben probably would've been a better scene/reveal if we didn't already know that Ben is the outside world puppetmaster.

With the exception of the premiere this season has felt very sloppy (by LOST standards) and often forced and whether that is because the writer's strike was looming or because they are trying to cram too much story into a single episode I haven't decided, but I get the sense that LOST's finest hours are behind us.

9 Liked the Kate trial, Shocked by the reveal that Jack is lying on the stand, very interested that the crash time was pinpointed. Kate is fickle and moody. Loved Sawyer being Sawyer. Thought the meeting between Miles and Ben was telling. Two people essentially prisoners acting like they are complete control of the situation. Locke is...well going in a different direction.
I don't understand the title. What am I missing?

I gave it a 5 for just about the same reasons everyone else did that gave it a low rating.
The Kate backstory was a snooze fest and why the heck did Jack lie about her heroism?

Kates character needs some serious redemption! She was a real pig in this epi.

Good thing is, usually when there's a lousy "filler" epi like this one, the next one is edge of your seat, yelling at the TV, OMG! epi.

Kate episodes can give me a headache. She didn't need to ask Miles what he knew; it should be obvious that the manifest for the plane had everyone's identity. She made Locke angry and got Sawyer in her little scheme for nothing, as usual. It reminded me of the ridiculous plot to get the toy airplane from the bank.

The duality of the expert markswoman and tracker who can't stop making dumb and life-risking decisions is too much for me.

That being said, there were enough interesting moments to give it a 7, for me. The Aaron reveal, the 8 survivor story, there is a lot to chew on for the future.

I'm losing interest in Kate and her story. It's sad that her character continues to be sacrificed in order to service the dreadful love triangle. Her on-island scenes with Sawyer made little sense in this episode, and Jack and Kate scenes bore me for the most part. I would have been more interested in this new 'Mommy' direction they're taking her had the child not turned out to be Aaron, thereby usurping Claire's story (bye Claire!). The trial scenes were over the top.

The more I think on it, the more I think I should have rated this episode even lower, maybe a 3 or 4. I loved the first three episodes of the season, so hopefully things will be back on track next week.

-Claire serving both Kate and Jack's stories- WTF?! Edit: I'd love it if she served more of her own story, but I have a feeling that's not going to happen.
-I'd love to know where Ben has this money he's promised Miles
-can't stand Locke, right now.
-hated Kate's courtroom scene
-and a yay at the preview for next week-- lots of Des!

Gave it an 8 - it was a solid story for me. The courtroom scenes worked for me (kinda like "Grey's Anatomy's" surgery scenes work for me since I'm neither a lawyer nor a surgeon ;) ), and the on-Island scenes I enjoyed also. Like so many I was spoiled about Aaron, so no OMGWTF for me :( . A general FF comment: Do our Losties clean up nice or what? Kate looked (even more) stunning!

I'm coming to terms with Locke seemingly losing it... it gives the fabulous Terry O'Quinn even more opportunities to shine :) That insane twinkle in his eyes booting Kate off the camp was chilling, and the Miles scene an instant classic!!

I wonder if he will be somehow responsible to whatever will happen to Claire... which would explain why Hurley apologized to Jack for having gone with Locke (I'm assuming here that Claire and Jack will find out that they are related). I guess I have to prepare myself for the full onslaught of Locke Hate...

I gave it a 7, I liked it much better than last week, at least there was some advancement to the story, we did get some answers, even if we didn't like them or thought parts were lame.

I think I am disappointed becaue I am comparing everything to FBYE, and it all seems to fall short. Maybe I had better re-calibrate my like-o-meter!

I gave it a 7. I liked it but it wasn't as great as the other episodes this season. I loved the Locke scenes and I'm very intriqued by Miles. So far I love the addition of the new charcters.

I hadn't been "spoiled" so the Aaron moment was amazing!

I gave this episode a 3. Kate's FF episode and on-island story had so much potential to be amazing and instead we got an episode only slightly better then Stranger in a Strange Land. :frown:

I was really disappointed with the way the characters of Kate and Sawyer were written. She was just plain mean for no reason. Until he called her on bouncing between him and Jack, Sawyer just let her use him and use him despite the fact that she says she doesn't trust him and has been treating him really badly. Are these the same two people who were so there for each other when in captivity with the others? The same people whom we've come to know and love over the last 3+ years? I hardly recognized them.

Locke is getting crazy-ruthless! In a way, it's really cool. In another way, where exactly is this borderline insanity coming from? His inability to understand what the island wants him to do now? His frustration with...pretty much everything? Any time now, I expect him to barracade himself into "his" house with his prisoners, an arsenal and a seige-resistant stock of food and supplies. Where is the mystic, wise man of season 1? I loved him and want him back!

Kate's trial. What can I say about that? Why would the DA plead her down to 10 years probation? The only charge that would be affected by Diane's not testifying is the murder/arson. Kate still had plenty of other charges that could have easily stuck. This was a transparent plot device to have Kate out of prison and unable to leave California.

Why is Claire acting so happy and carefree just a couple of days after learning of Charlie's death? Shouldn't she at least be a little sad still?

There were some good parts in this ep: Jack and Juliet's united front with the freigher people, Kate and Sawyer's cooperation in getting Miles to see Ben (they always did work well together), Hurley's "You just Scooby-Doo'd me, didn't you?" to Kate. :biggrin: Overall, however, I think this was a weak episode, especially coming right after the 3 very good and cohesive episodes that started the season. I hope this episode was a small hiccup in what will end up being a great season, rather than a sign of things to come.

You know, after the reveal at the end of ep 3 I couldn't have imagined another ending from the very next eppy being this good but it was OMG! fantastic! So, needless to say, I gave it a 10.

I gave it a 7. I don't consider it as problematic as others seem to be stating. In fact, I think I disagree with most of the opinions.

Nothing about the characters were off to me in last night's episode. Everything I saw is what I have seen for the past year or so, in terms of character traits. I was a little depressed at the end of the episode only because the FF are upsetting, but then I remind myself that there are still 44 more episodes to go and there is still MUCH to be revealed and explained.

Now, granted the trial WAS rushed, but I didn't have a problem with it because I don't need the trial to dominate the entire hour. This isn't Law & Order. Get Kate out of jail and move the story along. Yes, it will require some interesting "law math" but who the heck cares, just keep the REAL story moving and to accomplish that point, Kate has to be out of jail. Mission accomplished. Several interesting questions and developments occurred during the trial: Why doesn't Kate want to use her son to appeal to the jury? I mean, why is that so bad and who hasn't used family as a means of tugging at jury's heartstrings? I'm guessing Kate doesn't want to put her son on someone's radar by putting him on a very public stage. Other mysteries: Jack mentioned that the plane crashed in the water that he was injured. Lie. Jack mentioned that Kate ran around saving everyone. Lie (actually that was Jack, come to think of it). Jack doesn't love Kate. Well that could have been true, but alas, we learn that that, too, was a lie. We are beginning to see the "I'm sick of the lies" to which Jack was referring in TTLG. There was one other interesting development of the Kate trial: Part of the terms of her release is that she can't leave L.A. Why would they make that a requirement? I'm guessing that plays into future episodes and leaving to go back.

I'll address the Jack/Kate/son issue here too since it happened soon after. Kate's dialogue was intriguing. I'm all about the dialogue sometimes. She said to Jack, "I know why you don't want to see the baby, Jack, but until you do, until you want to . . ." First of all, that is not a baby; it's a toddler (at least I think it is). Second, Kate clearly seems to understand why Jack can't be around Aaron, and she doesn't have a problem with it in terms of anger towards Jack. Some of the stuff I was reading prior to the airing of this episode had me thinking she was furious. She wasn't. Also, why is it important that Jack "want to" see Aaron? It reminds me of Ben telling Jack that he wanted him to "want to" do the surgery. And why DOESN'T Jack want to be around Aaron? I'm guessing there is huge guilt at work. Regardless, Kate left the door wide open for Jack to pop in whenever he changes his mind so there's no animosity, only more questions. Lastly, of course why IS Aaron with Kate and is this Claire's Aaron? All this is building towards the rest of the season's episodes. It's okay, I'm a patient woman.

I don't have a problem with Locke's behavior, and I don't think it's out of character. I have no idea why suddenly he should be disliked. Locke has always been an insecure character, thanks to his psychotic father. All you have to do is rewatch season two to watch Ben manipulate Locke in the hatch. For the record, Locke is not a stupid man, and I don't see him BEING stupid. He simply wants to desperately understand the nature of the island and his place (and the other survivor's) place in it. Although Locke has a connection to the island, it does betray him from time to time, and Locke rails against it. Remember when he temporarily lost his ability to walk? Remember when Smokey turned on him? It happens. As for Locke's dictatorial style, I have never believed that Locke was some wonderful democratic "let's all be friends" type of guy. Locke has a purpose, and to hell with following rules or having a vote. I was happy to hear Locke at least admit that Jack's leadership WAS democratic. I couldn't help but notice the different temperaments in both camps. Locke's camp is full of captives, suspicion and fear. I'm guessing that's why Hurley was sorry for staying. In Jack's camp, everyone was smiling when he showed up on the beach with new arrivals and news that Sayid and Desmond already left for a possible rescue. I did love the hand grenade in Miles' mouth. For one, Miles deserved it. Too smug. Second, you gotta love Locke's reasoning when he said that he realized that there has to be a consequence when someone breaks the rules. I love snarky.

Danny's card game of course raised more questions: Does he have a mental illness where his losing his memory? Did he have a psychic ability that he has now lost or is losing? Another question in a sea of questions. Again, I'm patient.

Kate and Sawyer. Sorry folks, their behavior didn't surprise me at all. It's been about the physical between them since the beginning of season three, and nothing really has changed. I do believe that Sawyer has feelings for Kate and vice versa, but I've never really seen strong feelings between them. I've seen sex and a physical attraction, but with the exception of last week's episode, I've never heard these two ever have a heart to heart conversation, and as lovers, they should be doing that. Even last week, it was Sawyer who poured out his feelings; Kate listened. That didn't surprise me because Sawyer feels comfortable around Kate. She knows more about him than anyone else, so I can see him sharing those feelings with her, but they should be talking by now, and they aren't. Heck, they should have been talking when Kate returned to the beach in season three and they didn't then either. As for trust, I can see Kate not trusting Sawyer because Sawyer has bailed on her several times (not going with her back to Othersville, siding with Locke without discussion) and Sawyer is about himself. He said it. He also told Locke about Kate's plan, so there you go, but I don't like Kate being a tease. I mean she wakes up with Sawyer, and she initiates the kissing, and when he responds, she puts on the brakes. I was glad that Sawyer called Kate on her crap, and I hope that if Kate goes back to the beach that Jack is already moving on. Kate needs to grow up.

Lastly, Sun acted like being suspicious of the freighters is a brand new idea. Hello? Jack and Sayid have been suspicious of the freighters since they arrived. They KNOW that they aren't who they say they are and that there is more to the story. So why are they still going along? Because it's a way off the island, regardless. I have to agree with them on that. Sitting in Othersville and putting laundry on a clothesline and watching Xanadu, if it were me, would not be an option. Put me on a boat, even if they are dangerous, and I'll make it work. I'm guessing that is Jack, Sayid, Desmond and Jin's way of thinking too. I'm in.

I gave it an 8 overall, it was a pretty good character based ep, but it wasn't as good as the first three eps we've gotten so far. I really didn't see where anyone was acting out of character, although Locke is definitely getting crazier and crazier, and scarier and scarier, ie the grenade scene. As for the flashforwards, I hadn't heard any spoilers yet so I was pretty suprised by the Aaron revelation. As for Kate's probation, yeah it might have been unrealistic, but I'm assuming that it was done to make the story better. Overall it was a good ep, nothing outstanding, but still enjoyable.

I gave it a 9.

I watch LOST to be entertained, and that's EXACTLY what the show does...it entertains me. No expectation levels, no nothing, just pure enjoyment. And, every single week I am left with my mouth agap, and a million questions and possibilities running through my head.

Can't wait for next week.

I gave it a 7. I don't consider it as problematic as others seem to be stating. In fact, I think I disagree with most of the opinions.

Nothing about the characters were off to me in last night's episode. Everything I saw is what I have seen for the past year or so, in terms of character traits. I was a little depressed at the end of the episode only because the FF are upsetting, but then I remind myself that there are still 44 more episodes to go and there is still MUCH to be revealed and explained.

Now, granted the trial WAS rushed, but I didn't have a problem with it because I don't need the trial to dominate the entire hour. This isn't Law & Order. Get Kate out of jail and move the story along. Yes, it will require some interesting "law math" but who the heck cares, just keep the REAL story moving and to accomplish that point, Kate has to be out of jail. Mission accomplished. Several interesting questions and developments occurred during the trial: Why doesn't Kate want to use her son to appeal to the jury? I mean, why is that so bad and who hasn't used family as a means of tugging at jury's heartstrings? I'm guessing Kate doesn't want to put her son on someone's radar by putting him on a very public stage. Other mysteries: Jack mentioned that the plane crashed in the water that he was injured. Lie. Jack mentioned that Kate ran around saving everyone. Lie (actually that was Jack, come to think of it). Jack doesn't love Kate. Well that could have been true, but alas, we learn that that, too, was a lie. We are beginning to see the "I'm sick of the lies" to which Jack was referring in TTLG. There was one other interesting development of the Kate trial: Part of the terms of her release is that she can't leave L.A. Why would they make that a requirement? I'm guessing that plays into future episodes and leaving to go back.

I'll address the Jack/Kate/son issue here too since it happened soon after. Kate's dialogue was intriguing. I'm all about the dialogue sometimes. She said to Jack, "I know why you don't want to see the baby, Jack, but until you do, until you want to . . ." First of all, that is not a baby; it's a toddler (at least I think it is). Second, Kate clearly seems to understand why Jack can't be around Aaron, and she doesn't have a problem with it in terms of anger towards Jack. Some of the stuff I was reading prior to the airing of this episode had me thinking she was furious. She wasn't. Also, why is it important that Jack "want to" see Aaron? It reminds me of Ben telling Jack that he wanted him to "want to" do the surgery. And why DOESN'T Jack want to be around Aaron? I'm guessing there is huge guilt at work. Regardless, Kate left the door wide open for Jack to pop in whenever he changes his mind so there's no animosity, only more questions. Lastly, of course why IS Aaron with Kate and is this Claire's Aaron? All this is building towards the rest of the season's episodes. It's okay, I'm a patient woman.

I don't have a problem with Locke's behavior, and I don't think it's out of character. I have no idea why suddenly he should be disliked. Locke has always been an insecure character, thanks to his psychotic father. All you have to do is rewatch season two to watch Ben manipulate Locke in the hatch. For the record, Locke is not a stupid man, and I don't see him BEING stupid. He simply wants to desperately understand the nature of the island and his place (and the other survivor's) place in it. Although Locke has a connection to the island, it does betray him from time to time, and Locke rails against it. Remember when he temporarily lost his ability to walk? Remember when Smokey turned on him? It happens. As for Locke's dictatorial style, I have never believed that Locke was some wonderful democratic "let's all be friends" type of guy. Locke has a purpose, and to hell with following rules or having a vote. I was happy to hear Locke at least admit that Jack's leadership WAS democratic. I couldn't help but notice the different temperaments in both camps. Locke's camp is full of captives, suspicion and fear. I'm guessing that's why Hurley was sorry for staying. In Jack's camp, everyone was smiling when he showed up on the beach with new arrivals and news that Sayid and Desmond already left for a possible rescue. I did love the hand grenade in Miles' mouth. For one, Miles deserved it. Too smug. Second, you gotta love Locke's reasoning when he said that he realized that there has to be a consequence when someone breaks the rules. I love snarky.

Danny's card game of course raised more questions: Does he have a mental illness where his losing his memory? Did he have a psychic ability that he has now lost or is losing? Another question in a sea of questions. Again, I'm patient.

Kate and Sawyer. Sorry folks, their behavior didn't surprise me at all. It's been about the physical between them since the beginning of season three, and nothing really has changed. I do believe that Sawyer has feelings for Kate and vice versa, but I've never really seen strong feelings between them. I've seen sex and a physical attraction, but with the exception of last week's episode, I've never heard these two ever have a heart to heart conversation, and as lovers, they should be doing that. Even last week, it was Sawyer who poured out his feelings; Kate listened. That didn't surprise me because Sawyer feels comfortable around Kate. She knows more about him than anyone else, so I can see him sharing those feelings with her, but they should be talking by now, and they aren't. Heck, they should have been talking when Kate returned to the beach in season three and they didn't then either. As for trust, I can see Kate not trusting Sawyer because Sawyer has bailed on her several times (not going with her back to Othersville, siding with Locke without discussion) and Sawyer is about himself. He said it. He also told Locke about Kate's plan, so there you go, but I don't like Kate being a tease. I mean she wakes up with Sawyer, and she initiates the kissing, and when he responds, she puts on the brakes. I was glad that Sawyer called Kate on her crap, and I hope that if Kate goes back to the beach that Jack is already moving on. Kate needs to grow up.

Lastly, Sun acted like being suspicious of the freighters is a brand new idea. Hello? Jack and Sayid have been suspicious of the freighters since they arrived. They KNOW that they aren't who they say they are and that there is more to the story. So why are they still going along? Because it's a way off the island, regardless. I have to agree with them on that. Sitting in Othersville and putting laundry on a clothesline and watching Xanadu, if it were me, would not be an option. Put me on a boat, even if they are dangerous, and I'll make it work. I'm guessing that is Jack, Sayid, Desmond and Jin's way of thinking too. I'm in.


Wow, what a wonderful post.

Jack Sawyer, that really WAS an excellent post.

And I agree with what you had to say about everything. But just to clear up one small thing, your comment about Sawyer, "He also told Locke about Kate's plan", that was part of the plan to get Locke out of the house so that Kate could bring Miles in to talk to Ben. ;)

I gave it a very generous 1.

Id go even lower if it was a choice....:rolleyes:

I gave it a 7, though after thinking about it awhile maybe I was being unfair. I just felt bored through much of the episode, in stark contrast to the first three of the season. Then again Kate episodes have always bored me, as much as I adore Evie. There were some good lines, and a couple of good scenes, like I said it was just kind of boring to me.

9 for me. another good episode, with a great twist at the end.

Jack Sawyer, that really WAS an excellent post.

And I agree with what you had to say about everything. But just to clear up one small thing, your comment about Sawyer, "He also told Locke about Kate's plan", that was part of the plan to get Locke out of the house so that Kate could bring Miles in to talk to Ben. ;)

Wasn't Ben in an underground holding room? I don't think that was the house Locke was in, but I can't be sure. I'll have to rewatch it. Also, when Sawyer told Kate that "There was no point in Locke being mad at both of us," it confirmed to me that Sawyer told Locke the plan and he was apologizing to Kate.

Wasn't Ben in an underground holding room? I don't think that was the house Locke was in, but I can't be sure. I'll have to rewatch it. Also, when Sawyer told Kate that "There was no point in Locke being mad at both of us," it confirmed to me that Sawyer told Locke the plan and he was apologizing to Kate.

Actually it was the same place. He must have moved into Ben's house.

As for Sawyer...kinda weird that he didn't use another con, instead of the one he chose, one which necessitated his ratting out Kate. Is there anything to that? Did he want Kate gone at that point? I'd think not, but who knows...

I gave it a 7, I liked the episode but because the previous episode was more fast paced this epsiode seemed a little slower.

Take a look at that horrible chart! Horrendous!! :eek2:

Take a look at that horrible chart! Horrendous!! :eek2:

I wouldn't be surprised if this forum became an anti lost forum. Lol. I mean, this literally is the only place where Eggtown gets so much negativity. I won't name other forums, and sites, but it's getting praise everywhere.

That was a really good episode, better than the last one, I think. The off-island parts were well acted and the final twist was chilling. Ben, even though he's pushing his buttons, hit the nail right on the head; Locke really has no idea what he's doing, he's still a loser. Evangeline Lily looks amazing without freckles, too.

8 outa 10

breaks my heart, but i can only rate it 5, most definitely the weakest episode so far ! i didnt like much about it,

i would rate it like 4, but i "may note vote on this poll"... what do i have to do to get the permission to vote???
anyway, i just think the whole kate story was already getting lamer with every flashback. i seriously hoped it would become more interesting when it comes to flashforwards, but it didn´t.
the only highlight was john becoming a hardcore dictator for the greater good. the handgrenade-scene was terrific! way to go, john. and next time you wanna give someone a rude lession, it should be ben.

Sorry about our OPINIONS.

Let me change my 7 to a 10 before I get banished from the web board...


I wouldn't be surprised if this forum became an anti lost forum. Lol. I mean, this literally is the only place where Eggtown gets so much negativity. I won't name other forums, and sites, but it's getting praise everywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if this forum became an anti lost forum. Lol. I mean, this literally is the only place where Eggtown gets so much negativity. I won't name other forums, and sites, but it's getting praise everywhere.


Not everywhere. I've read several moderate to slightly negative reviews already. Anti-lost forum? Why? Because people who love this show didn't enjoy a particular episode?

I rated it an 8. As much for what this story did to make me want to see what happens with the actual rescue of the 06, and because of the slow scientific revelations we are getting about the island, and because I really want to know who is pulling the strings of the 06 in the future.

Locke is getting crazier and scarier. How does Hurley get off the island? Who'll be left on the island, and will they still be fans (sheep) of Locke?

How does time play into all of this?

Thanks Gregg Nations for writing an episode, that raised more questions than it answered, but I just didn't mind this time.

:chickn4: Dancing chickens rule. (Or they're eaten for dinner at 6)

shoegirl

Sorry about our OPINIONS.

Let me change my 7 to a 10 before I get banished from the web board...

D'oh, I gave it 7 too. I'm talking about the people who bash and bury the show and/or the writers.

It wasn't perfect, but if you think this episode was 1-worthy, perhaps, Lost isn't really the right show for you.

I give it a 9. it was great it leaves you wondering if kate took aaron or he was given too her???

D'oh, I gave it 7 too. I'm talking about the people who bash and bury the show and/or the writers.

I agree. Especially those who are insulting the people who wrote this episode which is completely crossing the line, imo.

I agree. Especially those who are insulting the people who wrote this episode which is completely crossing the line, imo.

Some people have no class.

I agree. Especially those who are insulting the people who wrote this episode which is completely crossing the line, imo.

Some people have no class.

Makes me question their values. Always complaining, but when given the answer, resorts to more whining again.:rolleyes::76:

I didn't find the episode as bad as many did. I ended giving it a 7, which is about on par with how I felt about "The Beginning of the End" and "The Economist". I like the strength in Kate's character, though I did not understand how she thought it would be a good idea to allow Miles to speak to Ben. The Sawyer-Kate part of this episode wasn't written well either. The reveal of Aaron as Kate's son was a little predictable, though nevertheless a neat twist. One reason I liked this episode was that it included Claire, and Sun/Jin.

Some people have no class.
I find this very offensive just because people speak out against a episode as poor as alot found this one to be, does not mean they have no class. And as far as trashing the writers if I put out a poor product I deserve the backlash. This is only the second time I can recall such a poor response about a Lost episode. The other one was SIASL and guess who wrote that. So the criticism shown I find very valid.

I thought Eggtown made SIASL look Emmy worthy. That's my opnion and as a Lost fan who has loved the show from the minute it went on the air I am entitled to it. I find it insulting and ill mannered to call anyone posting here classless no matter their take on an episode of Lost. Actually it shows very little class to make such a statement.

This entire episode felt rushed, badly edited, and written so poorly that it takes my breath away. Considering all that has gone down since it was filmed I have the feeling the pending strike impacted this episode and had a hand in how awful it came across on screen. Remember the early spoil of Eggtown posted on Dark's site? Remember when TPTB expressed concern over the unnatural breaking point created by the strike? Remember when Carlton went back to his show runner duties despite the writers' strike to do some editing? I think we saw all these pieces come together in an episode that appears to contain scenes that were not in the original version and is missing scenes that were. The episode, Kate's and everyone elses' OOC behaviour, the uneven dialog and choppy over cut scenes are the end product of trying to re-tailor what they shot and cram in information that would have appeared in one or more of the following episodes.

The bad job of re-editing and re-tooling this episode leaves me in fear as to how much more of this will be done to shove what should have been in the three episodes they will not be filming into the remaining ones. Re-editing what has already been filmed and re-writing what hasn't. Given what happened with Eggtown, this is more than likely to be a disaster for Lost fans. It always is when they rush the story and this episode felt like the Lost equivelent of speed dating.

The first three episodes were so wonderful, in fact nearly perfect. Expectation for S4 were running high. To say that many fans were disappointed Thursday night is an understatement and I for one cannot imagine how TPTB could have screened this episode and green lighted it.

Talk about OOC behaviour. Who are these people? Claire can’t remember Charlie died what three days ago? Neither can Hurley. Apparently all it takes to forget someone they loved is dead was a working television and a clothesline. Or maybe they have access to some wonderful drugs there in Happyville. Kate is behaving like a schizophrenic nut job. Sawyer is acting like a love sick idiot. Jack like a spineless bundle of nerves who can't tolerate the sight of a small child. Locke now makes Colonel Kurtz look sane and for comic relief we get treated to Hurley’ bathroom habits. Even Sun and Jin appear to be a cross purposes once again with the “my” baby vs. “our” baby. Guess Michael is the new suspect. Are we going to play 'who's the daddy again'? I wonder if Vincent is still a dog? Juliet acted like Juliet and got one line.

Who has kidnapped our Losties, how much is the ransom and where can we mail our checks?

I gave the mess a 1 since 0 wasn't an option.

I thought Eggtown made SIASL look Emmy worthy. That's my opnion and as a Lost fan who has loved the show from the minute it went on the air I am entitled to it. I find it insulting and ill mannered to call anyone posting here classless no matter their take on an episode of Lost. Actually it shows very little class to make such a statement.

This entire episode felt rushed, badly edited, and written so poorly that it takes my breath away. Considering all that has gone down since it was filmed I have the feeling the pending strike impacted this episode and had a hand in how awful it came across on screen. Remember the early spoil of Eggtown posted on Dark's site? Remember when TPTB expressed concern over the unnatural breaking point created by the strike? Remember when Carlton went back to his show runner duties despite the writers' strike to do some editing? I think we saw all these pieces come together in an episode that appears to contain scenes that were not in the original version and is missing scenes that were. The episode, Kate's and everyone elses' OOC behaviour, the uneven dialog and choppy over cut scenes are the end product of trying to re-tailor what they shot and cram in information that would have appeared in one or more of the following episodes.

The bad job of re-editing and re-tooling this episode leaves me in fear as to how much more of this will be done to shove what should have been in the three episodes they will not be filming into the remaining ones. Re-editing what has already been filmed and re-writing what hasn't. Given last night, this is more than likely to be a disaster for Lost fans.

The first three episodes were so wonderful, in fact nearly perfect. Expectation for S4 were running high. Too say that many fans were disappointed is an understatement and I for one cannot imagine how TPTB could have screened this episode and green lighted it.

Talk about OOC behaviour. Who are these people? Claire can’t remember Charlie died what three days ago? Neither can Hurley. Apparently all it takes to forget someone they loved is dead was a working television and a clothesline. Or maybe they have access to some wonderful drugs there in Happyville. Kate is behaving like a schizophrenic nut job. Sawyer is acting like a love sick idiot. Jack like a spineless bundle of nerves who can't tolerate the sight of a small child. Locke now makes Colonel Kurtz look sane and for comic relief we get treated to Hurley’ bathroom habits. Even Sun and Jin appear to be a cross purposes once again with the “my” baby vs. “our” baby. Guess Michael is the new suspect. Are we going to play 'who's the daddy again'? I wonder if Vincent is still a dog? Juliet acted like Juliet and got one line.

Who has kidnapped our Losties, how much is the ransom and where can we mail our checks?
The ransom will be 3.2 million dollars.

Firstly, I loved Miles and Ben in this episode. Ben is so creepy and mysterious - I'm sure he knows way more than he's letting on. Miles made me laugh when he looked at Kate and said, "Who are you?" or something similar.

As a Sawyer/Kate shipper, I have to say I was a little disappointed with the way this episode played out though. I've come to expect so much from this couple that I found their attitude towards each other to be rather erratic from one scene to the next. Sawyer was much too 'nice' in the first scene on the porch for my liking. I thought he was supposed to be in a 'dark place' after killing Cooper and Tom? Instead he was all smiles and peaches, joking with Kate as if nothing had happened. Kate, on the other hand, was overly harsh in the way she spoke to him. There last scene together in TE had such a nice feel - Sawyer asking her to play house, and them having an actual conversation -only to have Kate come out in this episode with lines like, "I don't trust you," and "Go home." Hmm, did I miss a scene somewhere in between? Considering she "doesn't trust him," She looked pretty happy to curl up on his chest and stay with him for the night later in the episode. I realize this is not the Skate show, but I really wish the whole fight scene had been a little longer. It just seemed to be jumpy, switching tempo from flirty to angsty without giving me a chance to get into the mood of the scene. (And the sloppy editing with Sawyer's hair being forward, back, and then forward again was rather distracting too). If this is the last time Skate see each other before Kate leaves the island, then I wish their argument had been given a little more time to evolve. To be clear, I'm not annoyed at the actual outcome, just the lack of attention given to two characters that I care so much about.

The whole of Kate's trial was a stretch to believe also. How can someone not serve jail time after committing so may crimes? I was disappointed that the trial went so quickly, and the whole of Kate's story line was smoothed out so easily. The question, "do you love the defendant?" addressed to Jack in the trial was totally cringe worthy too. "What is your relationship with the defendent?" (or something else similarly subtle) would have sounded a lot less cheesy, and still have served the purpose. (To show that he still does).

I was spoiled for the reveal, which was a shame because it was truly a jaw dropping moment. I have to wonder though, if this moment was made at the expense of the entire episode. Was this the reason for Kate's erratic behaviour on island? To keep people thinking for as long as possible that she was pregnant with Sawyer's baby - the baby she was returning home to in the future? Hmm.

ETA: I hate that doubt was re-cast onto the father of Sun's baby too. I thought we solved that whole story line!

Over all, the episode was a bit of a let down after three such strong episodes before hand. There is no way I'm going to stop watching the show because of it, but I hope the next one is better :)

I'm really surprised that so many Lost fans disliked this episode, I thought it was the best since the season opener, I gave it a 9.
I've never really liked Kate very much but this was the first Kate-centric episode I've really enjoyed. I can't get enough of the flash-forwards, there was so many new questions in this episode that I can't wait to find out the answers too. Only 8 people survived the crash? And why is Aaron with Kate? Too name just a few. I'm so glad I've mostly avoided spoilers this season, the twists have been brillaint, two jaw dropping endings in a row.
And I was so glad Locke finally shut Miles up! :) I still can't stand him!

I gave it a 5 cos it def had a few moments that I utterly enjoyed (yes I did like the Skate scenes and their "breakup" which I predict is far from being a final one...;) I did however feel the FF was abit too unrealistic for my liking, the trial felt rushed and contrived imo and I just cannot buy into the fact that somone with the kind of felonies Kate did and just get off with a 10 year probation and then have Aaron just like that, unless they come up with some plausible explanation for this later...still though it just felt abit..I dunno..more like an "easy way to get Kate off the hook. The Island stuff I totally fell for..although my overall feeling of this episode is more confusion than anything hehe.

As for the teasers and spoilers about this being of Shipper legend, when something like this is all hyped up and so on I immediately start leaning towards the opposite, it got too hyped up I feel and didn't quite live up to the hype. SO a middle of the road episode for me although as a Skater I enjoyed their scenes, even if some moments were abit out of character. I mean Kate suddenly can't trust James who she earlier wanted to give up her life for (S3) and he the same? Doesn't add up to me. Also what about Sawyer killing off Mr. Cooper, he's suddenly gotten over this? No more mention of this? And Claire? She's all smiles and happy and seemingly have forgotten about Charlie? So that stuff sorta confused me.

Still even if I wanted to smack Locke upside the head he still rocked, the "con" Kate and Sawyer pulled still rocked and poor Hurley seem unable to resist Kate's charm and spill the beans even if he's told not to lol. Miles and Ben also def rocked in this eppy so all this made me think of the eppy as enjoyable but it lacked the "WTF OMG ohhhhhhhhhhhhh" feeling I have had so far this season, and yes this season has pretty much had the Season 1 feeling. This eppy was definetly NOT "the tattoo episode" though..compared to that Eggtown is a classic :D.

So to me I feel 5 is the right rating for me :).

I gave it a 7, I found parts interesting and enjoyable but the editing did feel a little choppy to me. I might have rated it higher but I was spoiled and that took the edge off my enjoyment of the episode. I agree with Maxum's insighful analysis, there were some really, really cogent points made.

I wonder if many of those who hated the episode were spoiled as well? I found that while the facts in spoilers are often accurate there is a lot of subtext that is misleading depending upon the bias of the source. Its pretty disappointing to have a specific expectation and then have to reconcile yourself to what appears on the screen when it is totally different -- perhaps even exactly opposite of the expectation. Just wondering because I find that I've had that kind of let down that gave me a much more negative reaction initially than I would have had had I been unspoiled.
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it was good I am not a big Kate fan. I loved how insane Locke was in this ep tho. Also I love Dan.

I Really Enjoyed this episode, it was good to see Locke Being So Hard on Miles With the Grenade.

It gets ten from me. All this sweet jate and then the brilliant Aaron twist at the end!
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I forgot to rate the episode. Last week I would have given it a 1 for my sheer lack of understanding what happened and how and why. But after thinking about it, I gave it 5 in the hopes that the next episode or some episode in the future will redeem what happened.

Can't believe this episode rates so poorly on average. As I type it's averaging 6.75 compared to >8.5 for the other 3 episodes. I liked this one. I get the feeling it's importance will come to light later in the series.

even 6.75 is far too much for the specific episode.... ***Mod edited***

I rated it a 9. I thought this ep was really interesting and I loved the twist at the end. I would have never guessed that. So far I have liked this season. No complaints.

I had to give this episode a 2. I'm actually glad I was spoiled for it because my reaction to a lot of the scenes may have been worse if I wasn't.

It should have been a much better episode, but it sank...maybe I'm just over it. It baffled me in a bad way.:redface:

The eppy was not great to me. Found Kate's flashforward boring. I guess we were supposed to feel some sympathy for her trying to raise Aaron and all but she was so ridged and self centered both in the FF and on the island that I really didn't care for her at all at the end of the eppy.

Claire presented another problem as everyone else has already talked about. No need to rehash it again. I'm actually hoping her grief (if TPTB don't completely drop it) will be dealt with in a later eppy.

What is funny to me is that this eppy is rated so high in this poll whereas the number of posts on the didn't like it thread is so much higher than the loved it thread.Gave it a three. Hoping the next one is better.

I give it a 9!

Good episode, however its the worst episode in season 4. Can't wait till next weeks episode.

I give it a ten. The ending totally threw me for a loop. Totally awesome!

1 But this thread is kind of a joke anyways, because no matter what kind of crap they throw at us, people will vote a 10 and claim that it was a great episode.

Eggtown was utter garbage. Unfortunately, it beats out SIASL as the worst episode of Lost ever. I'm a week behind and the reasons why it sucked have already been discussed but I think that this is the episode that finally proves that Lindelof and Cuse have been running this show into the ground. Most tv shows are allowed bad episodes, but the TPTB have to be careful with a serial like Lost. Constantly sacrificing mythology or character credibility for shock endings wears thin quickly and destroys everything leading up to that episode. Guess people like being jerked around.

One thing that I will comment on that I haven't seen many people talking about is the lameness of the freighters. Everyone kept saying how these newcomers were going to be menacing and that some very bad stuff was going to happen as a result of their arrival. 4 episodes in, and they haven't done anything. They were all captured within hours. Their group has internal divisions. Hell, like Naomi even said, they haven't even had any field experience. All we've seen is a bumbling weak scientist, an anthropologist, a drunk pilot who doesn't seem to care about were he is at, and Miles, who could seem threatening if he wasn't trying to extort money or constantly being 1-upped by having a guns pointed at him or having grenades stuck in his mouth. And I thought the Others were a huge let down as bad guys...

Definitely the weakest ep this season. I'm all burned out on rambling about all the Kate nonsense and Eggtown didn't really help much. There's just something incredibly naive and implausible about the way the case was resolved.

It was good seeing Claire again, though. Too bad the producers insist on introducing so many new characters when some of the old ones get next to no screen time.

A bit late posting as well, but I gave the episode a 5. The premise behind the story was interesting, but I found the actual story poorly told. Also, I agree with the poster above...scary freighters? Not so much, but there are still more episodes to go, so they may yet become more menacing as was hinted before the season began.

7/10. One of the weaker episodes, but since Locke and Ben Linus were interesting, it's was alright.

I miss the season 1 Kate, I really do. Kate is starting to wear off on me....all her actions are starting to get old....fast.
Like many people pointed out....the trial scene was rather unrealistic...how Kate got out with such a lenient sentence after all the crimes she commited was questionable.

The on island scenes at Othersville were slow moving.

And we certainly didin't need to see the Kate and Sawyer lovemaking scenes. The end reveal made the entire episode worth it though.

7/10

I rated bad.