What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)

I gave it an 8. Not great. Not terrible. Still a pretty good episode of lost. I think Ben is becoming too powerful.

This is a 5 tops. Not anothe boring love episode. god damn

What we learned:
it is Widmore's boat, as we thought
Ben manipulates everyone, as we knew
Locke cannot resist Ben's bait, as always
Juliet loves Jack, surprise.
I'm too interested in what's going on now to care about how dead characters are tied into Ben's back story.


That's why I gave it 5.

I gave it a 9. I thought this episode was extremely well done and the hour just flew by. I would have rated it a 10 if we would have got to see who Ben told Locke was on the boat. This episode ranks up there this season with The Economist. I love Juliette epis too.

I gave it an 8. It definitely had my heart pounding, answered a few questions, and Ben was ultra creepy-I loved it. As a fan of Ben, I hope he isn't a "bad guy" :(

Yes, a ho hum episode, nothing earth shattering. The Widmore reveal wasn't a reveal really, more a confirmation if anything. I gave it a 7, a baseline rating.

I gave it a 7, it was good, there have been better, much better than Eggtown, or Expose. The only problem was the Jack-Juliet kiss, it was premature. They should have explored that relationship more.

Would any female Jater please beat up Charlotte?! (Yes, I'm still fuming but not as much.)

Thank goodness for that Jate reunion (If it did not happen, I would have voted this a 6 instead of a 7).

Juliet has now gained a little sympathy from me, but she is still one of my enemies (Ben, Charlotte, Pickett, Mr. Friendly, the lawyer against Kate, the Marshall, Wayne, Ryan)

Ben needs to die for being a :badwords:, a creep, and a :censored:!!!!!

Wow, I dunno...I gave it a 6. This episode was a letdown for me, and I dont mind when there's a lack of action (though I love action!). The writing just seemed to, uh, suck...andoften the coversations seemed forced like someone was trying to keep the script spouting cheesy references to past episodes or something. I really need to see this again before I can say anything intelligible about it. That psychiatrist appears and what not, sure, Jack asks a couple questions but doesnt ask "hey, where she'd go anyways?" ("Oh, back to the Dharma base I havent told you about.")

I just don't know about this episode. Seems theyre rushing things. I'm sure the Charlie fans were happy with Claire's exchange with Locke either. Id so, neither was I.

OH, and the Jack-Juliet kiss; what a letdown. I didn't want to see that. Oh well, sucks to be Juliet...cuz Jack's heart's not in it.

EDIT: Oh, I will say, I do like the mystique around Ben's character that continues to build, but...I just don't know if I like how it came across tonight. "Your mine" seemed kinda off to me.

I gave it a 9. I thought this episode was extremely well done and the hour just flew by. I would have rated it a 10 if we would have got to see who Ben told Locke was on the boat. This episode ranks up there this season with The Economist. I love Juliette epis too.

Ditto.

(thought they were going to pan away in the Jack/Juliet kiss scene to show us that Kate saw it.... Kind of happy they didn't. LOL!)

9. Like a lot of weople said, it wasnt amazing but it wasnt horriable. I kinda thought the juliet quadrangle with ben and goodwin was kind of corney though.

Meh. I gave it a 5. It wasn't that bad, but overall I found it kind of pointless. I don't care about Juliet's history with Goodwin and Ben's crush on her (we already kind of knew that though, didn't we) any more than I cared about the detailed history of Jack's tattoos. I just kept wondering "whats the point". It was definitely my least favorite episode this season.

I'm also kind of icked out by Jack/Juliet, although she is sweet.

Giving it a 7. This was definitely more of a "Filling in the Gaps" episode which is fine. I have no problems when they give us answers in any way shape or form.


So, who thinks the gas they are containing is actually...


Smokie?

6 here only because I'm happy we got through some of the soap opera stuff.

Ben loves Juliet... and what else is new?

Juliet loves Jack... and what else is new?

Kate is jealous as always.

Hurley beating Sawyer in yet another game... okay... smile.

There's some large vat of chemicals ready to kill everyone on the island at Ben's command. Now were moving along a bit.

Goodwin... ho hum he's gray and green now.

Goodwin's wife? More soap opera material. Interesting that she is there in the present time, during whispers and rain of course, but this time a second person Jack sees her too but seems uninterested. Strange. They blow it off as just another person who shouldn't really be there. Has Jack become jaded?

Ben and Locke... well now we're getting somewhere but are left to hang. We at least realize now there is some sort of religious curiosity via the Virgin Mary in the mold conversation and that Locke would be considered a god or some such thing if the rest of the world found out.

Widmore wants to sell tickets to the island to see the cripple (Locke) who can now walk. Apparently Widmore feels there's a profit to be made from miracle seekers and I can't really blame him.

I think the real reason I felt a bit let down is I watched the Constant with pop up text just before this one and was still breathless from it even after my third viewing. This epi allowed me to breathe.

I gave it a seven. It was enjoyable and progressed the story along by providing some answers -- but it wasn't one of those episodes that leaves you breathless, which is what earns the highest marks from me. (Although, there were lots of great, "Ohhhhh!" moments.)

ETA: In retrospect, I should've given it an eight.

I gave it a 8. It wasn't the best but it was good. Michael Emerson is a phenomenal actor! :biggrin:

I gave it an 8. Nice solid episode all around with moments I really loved:

-Super creepy Ben
-Jacket kiss
-Daniel saving the day
-Creepy smokey moment
-Important clarification of Ben's psychological state

Bonus points for nice reminders of S2 characters Goodwin, Ana Lucia, Zack and Emma.

Not a 9 or a 10 because those are saved for the "wow" factor.

I know some people will probably dislike the storyline of Ben being in love/obsessed with Juliet, but I think the writers gave Juliet important foreshadowing lines to tell us why we need to know this information. It WILL become a major thing for Ben down the line, I'm sure of it.

6.

But to be fair, it would be hard for just about any episode to follow "The Constant."

Nonetheless, there were some interesting reveals and I actually liked the flashbacks. It was interesting to see Ben acting like a silly schoolboy in love with his goofy (but still creepy!) grins. :D

Eight. I find Juliet fairly interesting (although I just cannot understand why she would choose Goodwin and Jack over Ben :p), so it was nice seeing some more of her backstory. Plus, this episode managed to keep me on the edge of my seat almost the whole time, though it still pales in comparison to last week.

Ben's lines were pure gold. "I taped over the game." Micheal Emerson is like a minor deity or something. :crush:

I gave it a 7, few good things, few bad things

Good
Jacket kiss without Kate staring at them (thought that she'd be like up in a tree or something or whenever they cut to the shot through the tunnel kind of hiding in there)
Widmore's boat (so maybe Charlie should have written Not exactly Penny's boat?)
Claire's actually doing stuff now?
Hey, it's a flashback, I remember those...
And it's an all island flashback, nifty
Finally saw her reaction to Goodwin's death (and a few other things, Elizabeth Mitchell's got some serious acting props)
Just when you think Ben can't get any creepier, 2 small words fly out of his mouth (well, I guess one's a contraction...)...
...but that's OK, cause he can cook! I mean, you get past the possessive, only semi-psychotic killer, he is quite the catch!


Bad
Didn't really buy the whole gas thing... It just seemed like a bit of a filler episode
Locke trusts Ben again... wtf?
Widmore just wants to go into competition with Barnum and Bailey, but with a freak show? Doesn't seem legit.
Charlotte. She's annoying.

6 here only because I'm happy we got through some of the soap opera stuff.

Ben loves Juliet... and what else is new?

Juliet loves Jack... and what else is new?

Kate is jealous as always.

Hurley beating Sawyer in yet another game... okay... smile.

There's some large vat of chemicals ready to kill everyone on the island at Ben's command. Now were moving along a bit.

Goodwin... ho hum he's gray and green now.

Goodwin's wife? More soap opera material. Interesting that she is there in the present time, during whispers and rain of course, but this time a second person Jack sees her too but seems uninterested. Strange. They blow it off as just another person who shouldn't really be there. Has Jack become jaded?

Ben and Locke... well now we're getting somewhere but are left to hang. We at least realize now there is some sort of religious curiosity via the Virgin Mary in the mold conversation and that Locke would be considered a god or some such thing if the rest of the world found out.

Widmore wants to sell tickets to the island to see the cripple (Locke) who can now walk. Apparently Widmore feels there's a profit to be made from miracle seekers and I can't really blame him.

I think the real reason I felt a bit let down is I watched the Constant with pop up text just before this one and was still breathless from it even after my third viewing. This epi allowed me to breathe.

Good words.

My worry is that, well, to me parts of tonight's came across as quite cheesy. I've never felt this way about an episode before. Widmore wants to turn Locke into a circus exhibit, the miraculous man who walks again? This is cheeeeezy with a zed instead of an S. I...I just dont know what to say about alot of tonight elements. The Gas Station...came as a surprise, a little too much, kinda forced. I've said enough for now...
Jack in the jungle with Juliet and this lady (ghost) and then Jack doesn't even ask "Where the hell did she go" or "am I seeing things?"

I dunno. Script writing quality really dipped for me, in this episode.

Not great, not horrible...gave it a 7.

6. Had some interesting moments but felt really disjointed.

Every aspect that I liked had an aspect that I didn't like it.
The Whispers were awesome but I hated Harper (although Harper as Smokey; Ben controlling Smokey. that's cool to think about...)
I'm okay with Jacket so the kiss was kind of nice but it didn't light my fire or anything
I like Dan a lot but can't stand Charlotte so those scenes were up and down for me.
Michael Emerson is a great actor but Ben was so creepy about Juliet that I almost didn't like it....
Kate super annoyed me. And Sawyer and Hurley in one scene? Dumb.
Locke and Ben manipulation... felt so overdone. Very same ol'. Seeing that video was cool, but I am tired of Locke falling for Ben's same ol' shit over and over.
I thought the gas storyline was dumb and I didn't love that Juliet were having an affair. But I did enjoy all of the S2 reminders. Whenever S2 is brought up, it makes me feel better about how "off" that season seems. I mean, the Tailies are almost all gone, so whenever there are reminders of those characters and those first S2 episodes, I feel like S2 wasn't a total "waste."

6. Had some interesting moments but felt really disjointed.

Every aspect that I liked had an aspect that I didn't like it.
The Whispers were awesome but I hated Harper (although Harper as Smokey; Ben controlling Smokey. that's cool to think about...)
I'm okay with Jacket so the kiss was kind of nice but it didn't light my fire or anything
I like Dan a lot but can't stand Charlotte so those scenes were up and down for me.
Michael Emerson is a great actor but Ben was so creepy about Juliet that I almost didn't like it....
Kate super annoyed me. And Sawyer and Hurley in one scene? Dumb.
Locke and Ben manipulation... felt so overdone. Very same ol'. Seeing that video was cool, but I am tired of Locke falling for Ben's same ol' shit over and over.
I thought the gas storyline was dumb and I didn't love that Juliet were having an affair. But I did enjoy all of the S2 reminders. Whenever S2 is brought up, it makes me feel better about how "off" that season seems. I mean, the Tailies are almost all gone, so whenever there are reminders of those characters and those first S2 episodes, I feel like S2 wasn't a total "waste."

Wow, you just summed up everything I thought about this episode perfectly. This is a sad day for me. At times I wondered 'what the hell are the writers doing?' It just seemed to lousy in spots for me.

I gave it a 7, few good things, few bad things

Good
Jacket kiss without Kate staring at them (thought that she'd be like up in a tree or something or whenever they cut to the shot through the tunnel kind of hiding in there)

Bad
Didn't really buy the whole gas thing... It just seemed like a bit of a filler episode
Locke trusts Ben again... wtf?
Widmore just wants to go into competition with Barnum and Bailey, but with a freak show? Doesn't seem legit.
Charlotte. She's annoying.

I rated this episode 7. There are some interesting bits to it. Although in no way equal to the Constant, it was a nice following episode.

I'm sure in some future episode they will show there was a camera an the entrance to the tempest that caught every bit of the Jacket kiss and Kate was inside watching every second. LOL!

I liked the gas thing. I had always wondered how Ben was able to kill all of Dharma and why he threatened that every man woman and child on the island would be killed. At least now we know one way it could be done.

I can't tell who is the biggest sucker -- Locke or Jack. Ben already owes Locke all the island secrets and reneged on the deal by shooting John in the gut. What on earth possessed Locke to do anything for him? Doesn't he see that Ben is playing him for a fool again?! Jack, oh wow! Just lead him by the nose. He'll do anything for a woman in distress. I'm sure Ben knows all about it. Jack vs Sawyer, Jack vs Locke, Jack vs Ben, someone needs to get Jack a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

As for Widmore's purpose, I don't like him at all, but I really don't trust anything that Ben Linus says. I'm sure Widmore wants to get the island, but who knows what his real purpose is.

I agree about Charlotte, she may be on the right side, but she's another one of those ends justify the means types. Knock Kate on the head. Hit Juliet and knock her around. With friend or foe, all is fair in island war.

I liked this epi a lot better than the last couple we had. I feel like TPTB are underestimating us though. The "big" revels are really turning out to be common knowledge even umongest the un-spoiled like me. I hope we get something really great next week. I liked Juliettes back story with Ben, but felt it was kinda unnecessary at this point. I gave a loud huff when I realized this was going to be a FB epi. I thought we had moved past that. *sigh*

I gave it an 8, nothing too shocking, the Widmore thing I was waiting for, it was nice to know for sure that he is 'the bad guy' that Ben is always talking about. The Juliet thing was a little interesting, her stealing Goodwin from Harper.

I gave it a 7, few good things, few bad things

Good
Jacket kiss without Kate staring at them (thought that she'd be like up in a tree or something or whenever they cut to the shot through the tunnel kind of hiding in there)
Widmore's boat (so maybe Charlie should have written Not exactly Penny's boat?)
Claire's actually doing stuff now?
Hey, it's a flashback, I remember those...
And it's an all island flashback, nifty
Finally saw her reaction to Goodwin's death (and a few other things, Elizabeth Mitchell's got some serious acting props)
Just when you think Ben can't get any creepier, 2 small words fly out of his mouth (well, I guess one's a contraction...)...
...but that's OK, cause he can cook! I mean, you get past the possessive, only semi-psychotic killer, he is quite the catch!


Bad
Didn't really buy the whole gas thing... It just seemed like a bit of a filler episode
Locke trusts Ben again... wtf?
Widmore just wants to go into competition with Barnum and Bailey, but with a freak show? Doesn't seem legit.
Charlotte. She's annoying.
I could not agree more. Charlotte makes you wanna pull your hair out. She is way to annoying, I hope TPTB kill her off soon.

Love your House quote BTW!

Wow, you just summed up everything I thought about this episode perfectly. This is a sad day for me. At times I wondered 'what the hell are the writers doing?' It just seemed to lousy in spots for me.

go me! ;)

Also, I gotta say that although there is no way they could have had as good an episode as The Constant right after.... it was still kind of a letdown after how great last week was.

What we learned:
it is Widmore's boat, as we thought
Ben manipulates everyone, as we knew
Locke cannot resist Ben's bait, as always
Juliet loves Jack, surprise.
I'm too interested in what's going on now to care about how dead characters are tied into Ben's back story.
yep, pretty much
i expected a letdown but ugh, a stinker?

added:im kinad surprised, you guys are being very generous with the points on this one
(last weeks was a 9 or 10 on my scale) this is at least 2 points lower right off the bat, so we are already in 7-8 territory, and this ep was kinda a snorefest, i think a 5-6 is generous here...

I gave it a 5.

But. Had I not been reading things I shouldnt have, the Widmore reveal would have had a bigger impact. My 5 is biased due to spoiler reading...I never learn.

I enjoyed the twist that Ben was the one gassing the Island again, and not Dan and Charlotte. That was unexpected.

That's about it.
Eric

A let down. A 5 barely.

The Constant/The Economist were crisp and together, this wasn't. No intensity. No magic to the story. Even the gas countdown was boring. Back to the Locke is still easily manipulated and the Kate/Jack/Juilet thing which I hate. Nothing new really except I want to know what the whisperers said.

I enjoyed tonight's episode for what it was. I've always been a fan of Otherville and now I'm glad we'll see more (hopefully) of Zach and Emma and what exactly is it that Ben's trying to preserve.

I missed Tom and I was so glad to have him back if only for a little bit. Love the moustache, huggy bear! :heart:

Claire is no longer a zombie and has the family attitude. She's still annoyingly peppy about Charlie's death BUT this type of "let's do something about it" attitude re: Charlie's message is much better than being a smiley, dopey galpal for Kate. It's one coping mechanism that at least makes sense.

Ben... I'm pretty sure I'm going to have nightmares involving Ben and ham and Ben doing unspeakable things to baby vegetables. El Creepo was on high form tonight.

The Tempest situation was resolved fairly quickly, 24-style, but I expect its de-activation will be as much of a danger for the losties as the lethal gas Daniel just neutralized. We shall see.

The one thing that I truly disliked in the episode was Andrea Roth's performance. She was just jarring and stilted in a lot of her delivery, but I have to admit "Helllouuuu Juliet! Long time no see" *cue blowing on pinky* wasn't exactly stellar material to work with.

I was entertained. I'm sure I'll find a million things to nitpick on second viewing but it's good enough for tonight.

ETA: oh, writers, you couldn't help yourself, could ya? At least the chickfight did not involve mud and hair pulling this time. Seriously... women continue to be objects to be possessed and have the big strong men fight over. *sigh* I've resigned myself to it...

Gave it a 7. A bit too soap opera for me, and we didn't really learn anything interesting.

I gave it a one, sorry, I didn't really learn anything new and was hoping for so much more after seeing the previews for this weeks episode. With only 2 more to go in this mini season I felt it was a waste of time and I'm a big fan. Sorry just buming a bit. I have to say this is my least favorite episode of lost ever. I'll rewatch it later this week but I don't think it will be worth the effort.

Wow. I actually loved this episode and gave it a 10, and I'm not even a big Juliet fan. In short, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time wondering what was going to happen next, and I think that is LOST at its best.

The good:
- All the twists and turns throughout the episode. In the beginning I was like "Is this a Juliet flashback?" "Flashforward?" "What the heck, how can she be one of the Oceanic 6 when she wasn't even on the plane??" Ah ha ha ha, they pulled their same old trick of it being on the island, and it was still clever the third time around and worked.
- It blew me away that Goodwin was married. I actually am really interested in seeing all the back story with him and Juliet. I really like how the two dimensionality of characters of the "others" have gained depth over the seasons, especially since we met Juliet.
- Elizabeth Mitchell did a great job acting the whole episode.
- Michael Emerson is "made of win." Ben is incredibly evil and psychopathic and power hungry and would be a terrible boss and/or date...and yet...I still like him.
- I also liked the reminders to season two and season three characters no longer with us; I didn't find it boring at all.
- Whispers and Harper showing up all horror movie-like in the jungle.
- Sun and Jin...I'm going to paraphrase here.
Jin [pointing and in Korean probably saying something like] "Oh, Charlotte the snobby one and Faraday the cute spacy one...they went that way into the jungle."
Jack: "Why didn't you tell us??!" [Cause he like, totally tells everyone everything:rolleyes: ]
Jin: You said they are friends...
*pause of awkwardness*
Sun: They are, aren't they?
:D :D :D :D
-I liked Claire standing up to Locke...much better use of her.
-I liked Hurley and Sawyer together, and Hurley saying he must be lucky. I don't care if it didn't reveal any big secret, it was cute.
-I liked the introduction of a new station.
-I liked the bunny reference and the Widmore reveal taped over the Red Sox tape.
-Ben is so manipulative, it is just great. Locke is such a sucker.
-I liked how they actually had me thinking that Charlotte and Daniel were going to try to become mass murderers, when actually they were trying to disable the gas (although whether they really needed to do that, I don't know).
-I'm not a shipper, but I thought Jack kissing Juliet was actually really sweet. (His care of Kate was sweet, too.)

I gave it a 7, few good things, few bad things
Just when you think Ben can't get any creepier, 2 small words fly out of his mouth (well, I guess one's a contraction...)...
...but that's OK, cause he can cook! I mean, you get past the possessive, only semi-psychotic killer, he is quite the catch!

:rotflmao:

Things that could have been improved:
- I agree Goodwin's wife came off as a bit cardboard-y. Also the computer screen with the rising gas was like the Indiana Jones-type falling door that goes on and on. C'mon, Daniel would have fixed it by now or they would already be dead.
- I was disappointed in Kate turning her back to Charlotte when she knew they were telling lies. Kate should know better than that.

Random stuff:
- Locke is letting Ben go out and do his laundry? Really. Oh, Locke.
-I didn't think the Widmore thing that Ben told Locke was the real reason. It was the reason Ben was hypothetically putting forth, and it was stroking John's ego by putting him at the center. It was what Locke wanted to hear, and Ben is good at that. Therefore, I didn't think it was cheesy.
- Has Locke been caring around that dollar bill in that pocket the whole time on the island? And for heaven's sake, why?
- Ben worried about whether the rabbit was one of his pet rabbits was funny.

i wish they had completed 5 episodes before the strike,and agreed to film 8 more for the 13.

this episode would never have been filmed.

9. After The Constant which was undoubtedly one of if not the best episode of Lost yet, you HAVE to lower your expectation level. You can't have another The Constant-level episode without setup and build up.

Plus I believe alot of people are used to the season 4esque plot driven episode, opposed to what Lost is really all about..characters.

This was more of a character driven episode. Ben/Locke, Ben/Juliet scenes are gold worthy...

I gave 5. Not that bad but boring and IMO useless.

I give it a 9, since The Constant was so great, I was expecting this episode to be a bit disappointing and not as good but I was pleasantly surprised. Elizabeth Mitchell was great in it, I didn't like her character that much before, but now I totally feel for Juliet! And Michael Emerson was amazing, of course!

Didn't exactly hate the whole episode... just a big blaaaaahhhh. I gave it a 5.

Gave it a solid 8. A nice change of pace after last weeks "Huh?" episode... it's the kind of brain-splodey relief that the doctor ordered ;)

I thought it was entertaining, but not overly exciting. For whatever reason I tuned out of Juliet's flashbacks after a while, even though Ben was fantastic in it :)

It was one of those episodes where the on-Island action overpowered the flashback, since there was not really a OMGWTF reveal (other than perhaps yes, a Widmore DOES own the boat but it's the wrong Widmore). I was kinda waiting for someone telling us *who* Juliet resembled so much that Ben felt all obsessive-possessive about her.

Loved the Tempest scenes... they resembled the hatch scenes with Locke trapped under the door and OMG will Benry turn off the countdown? And who, please, IS Ben's man on the boat?

Again - solid... but the flashbacks felt like... "fillers." *runs and hides*

I gave it a 10 it was excellent and in my opinion no boring bits like most episodes have. Im a fan of Ben and to see the others past is a great episode. The poor guys got a major crush on Juliet! Also seeing the new station was a bonus.

I thought it was an excellent episode, so a 9 from me.

It was actually fairly dense with new information and action-filled so I can't understand the complaints, though I guess they're mostly because this episode mainly ties up or confirms a lot of past information we were given.

"The Tempest" explains how Ben executed 'the purge', Widmore is revealed to be the one after the island.

As far as Juliet's story goes - the Goodwin story obviously has parallels with her and Jack's story present day, but Ben's crush on Juliet neatly ties together with some of his open questions - like Juliet's resemblance to Annie, and what happened to her (interestingly enough - Ben says the same thing to Jack about Juliet having a striking resemblance to his (Jack's) ex-wife - nice parallel there), also explaining that's why he's keeping her on the island and not only because of the research.

hello all kindof new here i give it a solid 8 it was great but seem to fly by quick it's lost what else can i say still loved it though:cool:

I gave it a 7 because it gave us very kittle useful info. It told us it is Widmore's boat .....like who hadn't figured that out.

It showed us the new station...............ok so if it's soooo important why did it look abandoned?

It seemed like "filler" imo

I gave it a 1. If I could give it a -1 I probably would.

I gave it a 6, so far we have had 4 great eps, 1 bad ep and 1 "meh" ep which was this one.

It might have got a higher mark if we hadnt seen what the show is capable of so far this season.

I gave the ep a 7. Some things were unecessary, for example, Charlotte beating up on Kate and Juliet and acting mad when they dont trust her...okay...

Ben made the episode for me. His creepiness factor always goes up a notch! And the glimpse of Sawyer at the end also did it lol.

Posts in here pretty much think what I think.

Rehashing of the same Others backstory is getting old very quickly. And there were moments I could have swore I was watching a cheap daytime soap opera.

The reveal of Charles Widmore as the man behind the freighter was ho-hum since most people already guessed it, Still the Ben-Locke scenes were good scenes, but unfortunately only a small part of the episode. Leaving us hanging with who is Ben's man's on the boat got me distracted, wishing during the rest of the Juliet story that they would return to the Ben-Locke story to answer that question, even if we already have a pretty good guess on who is Ben's mole on the ship.

Ben's line to Hurley and Sawyer, "See you guys at dinner", was very funny. It alone was worth an additional half a point. But there is no 3.5 in this poll, so I gave this episode 3. Same as I gave Eggtown. This episode was a big letdown, coming after excellent The Constant (which was a 10 in my book.)

8
Could have been better, but overall still a great epi.
I expected more from Ben than a "tape" of Widdy.
I also expected a little more kool info from Danny. Charly kicked butt, love her now ; ).
The ending made me dish out the 8, lol.

Wow, after reading half the comments on this thread, I expected the episode to be horrific. Far from it. It's a good thing that Damon & Carlton are going to stick to their story plans because those of us in Lost fandom are tough to please.

Granted, after following The Constant, the Other Woman was more of a character episode with no great WTF moments, but every episode doesn't need to be mind blowing. The Constant could have backfired big time if fans decided that they hated the time-travel concept. We embraced it. Frankly, I HATED Flashes Before Your Eyes because it was confusing. D&C did much better with The Constant.

Anyway, last night's episode was perfectly fine. I'd say it was a 7.5. It gave us more information and more questions, as always.

I don't have a problem at all with Ben's crush on Juliet, and it wasn't out of the blue, imo. Ben has no one (father, mother, siblings, girlfriend), and we have no idea yet what happened to Annie. The reference that "you look just like her," implies that there is something about Juliet that draws Ben to her. His comments last season when he was holding Jack prisoner regarding "You never brought me soup" had some of us suspecting back then that something might be up with Ben about Juliet. It was a bit sadistic for Ben to bring Juliet to Goodwin's body, but a visual image of what happens to men she gets involved with is so much more affective than just saying "Goodwin is dead." It also sends a very clear message to Juliet, which she received loud and clear.

I thought the opening scene with Jack, Juliet, Jin and Sun once again reinforced that Jack does not trust the Freighters. It wasn't about getting in Jin's face. Jack KNOWS something is off about the Freighters, and he is not blindly following them. He, Sayid, and Desmond (and now Jin) are going to find out who these people are. I thought it was cool that Sun also came along on the excursion to find Daniel and Charlotte and not left behind to tend to the "little one." This idea of dictatorship and poor little women - I'm not seeing it.

The scene in the jungle between Juliet and Harper was really interesting. First we hear the whispers and then suddenly Harper appears. Is she Smokey? Does Ben have the ability to send Smokey to send messages to other people? Jack saw Harper, but seconds later she completely disappears. Both Jack and Juliet were clearly spooked.

In Camp Locke, I still can't understand the logic of staying on the island or sitting in Othersville. Sorry folks, it makes NO sense to me. Jack, Sayid, Desmond and crew found out far more information in the first few days of being around the Freighters. They know about the time displacement on the island. It was great that Claire FINALLY voiced what I've been saying since the beginning of this season: "All Charlie said was who's boat it isn't. Don't you want to know who's boat it is?" THANK YOU!!!!!! A very smart question that was pretty obvious, frankly. Isn't that the question the beach group are pursuing now? Also interesting that Locke won't let anyone do anything involving the Freighters. He wouldn't let Kate question them and now he won't let Claire. I don't get how any of the Othersville bunch (Sawyer, Hurley, Claire) can be even remotely happy with just sitting around playing horseshoes and not wanting to get off the island. It makes no sense to me. It's dumb in fact. Also, are Sawyer and Hurley really surprised that Ben is once again out of the box? Didn't Sawyer foresee Ben's duplicity and yet he's still staying? It's a head scratcher.

Also, I didn't take the Locke and Ben situation as a manipulation. Locke now finally has some information of his own: Widmore. Yes, we all suspected it, but now we have absolute confirmation. That's a big deal, folks. Also, Ben explained Widmore's plans for the island: Exploitation. The Virgin Mary image with thousands flocking to see it was a good example to give to Locke. It's true. How many thousands would want to get to the island if they knew it could cure paralysis and cancer? That's a power that Widmore wants at all costs. How can you guys say this stuff isn't important?

Ben also provided a great response with regard to leadership: "You're the leader now. I know it's a tough position. You have to deal with all those people constantly second guessing your decisions." Ain't that the truth.

The gas situation at the Tempest was interesting only because it's clear to me that the freighter people know exactly what Ben is capable of doing. It would make sense to me that they should find his stash of poison gas and neutralize it. It wasn't a pointless subplot to me. It reinforces to me that Ben is a very dangerous man. It was also really cool to see Juliet and Charlotte kick butt. Again, I'm not seeing the poor helpless women here.

Lastly, the comments about shipping is growing tiresome. It IS okay to have a Jack/Kate or Kate/Sawyer or Jack/Juliet scene that lasts a few second without it being an episode about shipping. Please. The mini arc of season three was a shipper arc. These little snippets are harmless, and as long as any romance and such is limited to the "C Story," which it is, then it's all fine. It's not a big deal. I like a little romance with my drama, action, mystery and science fiction as long as it doesn't dominate, and it hasn't been lately. I thought the moment between Jack and Juliet was very nice, and I'm so glad that Jack is moving on from Kate. If they are meant to be together then Kate needs to do the chasing from now on. She's played her games, Juliet put her cards on the table, and I think Jack appreciates the latter. Again, I have no problem with it as long as it remains a subplot. Also, I REALLY hope Juliet becomes an issue with Jack and Ben because I love the dynamics of those two characters so I hope they cross paths.

A final thought with what Juliet said to Jack about Ben. When Jack asked: "How can he tell you anything?" Juliet replied "I don't know. He knew how to get to me." This again makes me wonder if Ben can control Smokey or if Jacob has given him powers that we have not yet seen.

This episode was a good one. It gave us some information, a few more questions, and it was character driven. Those aren't bad things in a Lost episode. Every episode can't be an "Oh My God" moment.

I won't quote it cuz it is waaay too long, but I agree completely with Maxum's post above. After The Constant it felt weaker, but then again they can't make tv history with every single episode :D

It was a good 8. The reveals were not mindblowing perhaps, but they bring the story forward. We have another Dharma station, Daniel saved lives again, we saw what Widmore is capable of, and what Ben can do. So now we can wonder which bad guy we want to win. :biggrin: Our poor losties don't have much chance between these two... I am just so glad that Daniel didn't turn out to be evil... ok, yet.

I agree, every episode can't be an OMG experience, but I still gave this episode a 6. It wasn't terrible, just sort of, I don't know, blah I guess. My husband, friends, and I didn't have our usual lengthy discussions afterwards, just flipped the tv off. I realize this is just a tv show, and nothing can be brilliant all the time, so I wasn't all that crushed. The Widmore reveal, we all sort of figured that so no huge intake of breath there. I like Dan, but Charlotte gets on my nerves. I've come to accept that all the relationship Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliet storylines are a necessary evil in telling the story. I found this episode to be mediocre, but definitely not the most horrible so far.

I gave it an 8. It seemed like a good solid episode to me, and gave us some more background on characters we still need to know more about (Ben and Juliet).

The most questionable thing to me was the Tempest station. Why would there be some sort of equivalent of the Bhopal gas factory on Craphole Island? Why did the Hostiles use low-tech canisters to gas the Dharma people? Maybe because gassing the whole island would kill all the animals, too? And why would Ben want to do that?

Harper was interesting. Why can't she personally go after Charlotte and Faraday? Is she a ghost? If she's Smokey, she's perfectly capable of killing on her own--we saw Smokey kill two people already.

Isn't there divorce in Otherville? Why was Goodwin still married to Harper? We still don't know much about the Otherville mores, customs, values and religion. The only other clearly married couple we have seen are Danny and Colleen--and we didn't see much, but they seemed like another odd match.

Goodwin apparently is NOT a doctor or nurse. He wasn't attending when the woman died (right before his first conversation with Juliet) although we saw him in the OR when another woman died "later." On the day he met Juliet, he had been doing something "chemical," presumably at the Tempest. Goodwin was sent to the Tailaways because Ben wanted to get rid of him. But then why was Ethan--a valuable doctor--sent to the midsection survivors, if the spy didn't need to have medical expertise?

And why did Charlotte and Faraday have to be all secretive and whack Kate over the head? Oh, right--Kate can't keep a secret. But do they know that?

Liked the Otherville interactions. Ben and Locke are on their way to being BFFs. What did Ben finally share with Locke? (Surely not just that Michael is Ben's man on the freighter.) Loved to see Claire demonstrating some spine and good sense. Would love to see her taking a bigger role. And I think the scene is being set for a Sawyer/Hurley takeover of the Locke dictatorship--maybe with Claire's help.

Where are Alex, Karl and Danielle? They must have gone off into the jungle. Alex certainly isn't living in her own home; Locke is. Now it appears that Ben may be living there with him.

Some answers, some questions, some moving of the chess pieces. Not a mind-blower, but a good solid episode.

gave it a solid 8. only because 9 and 10 are reserved for ones that I would consider my favorite episodes. The other woman was a great one though. I loved seeing Ben and Juliet's scenes together, they were wonderful. Ben is extremely creepy but we knew that already! Loved the tape of Widmore, so it's official now, Widmore wants to find the island. I was hysterical when Ben told the story about the 5,000 people that showed up to see mold and then he said, how many people do you think would show up to see you!! Like Locke is some circus freak or something! They have great scenes together, can't get enough of them.

I give it an 8. It was an important episode because now we are more focused on the LEADERS and not the pawns. We could clearly see with this episode that Faraday, Charlotte, Locke, Juliette, Kate.. pretty well everyone that we have been questioning, are people believing their very manipulative bosses.. and the bosses are really powerful (Ben and Charles Widmore, I mean).
It gave us a lot of new questions as well.. most importantly, how did Faraday and Charlotte get a map to the power station.. and how did they know when it was supposed to release the gas? And, if it was supposed to blow, then why wasn't Ben wearing a mask to protect himself?
Also gave a sick feeling on how easily Ben manipulates Locke. Such a strong character as Locke being so vulnerable and naive is hard to watch.

As with the majority, I gave this episode an 8. It was a solid episode with lots of good one-liners and some new info to chew on, but certainly not on par with a Desmond episode.

Clearly took a step back on this one.

Not interested in Juliet's on-Island back story.

Ben acting like a giddy-school girl was lame, although the "she's mine" reference was chilling and in character and could have legs if in fact Ben was searching for her for his entire life.

The Juliet/Jack romance is so uninspiring.

Ben playing Locke is getting old.

However Claire finally stepping up to be a player is long overdue.

And why wouldn't Sawyer just immediately bounce and Ben and beat him to a pulp? Just a few days ago he wanted to kill the guy are they putting sedatives in the food?

I would have to give it a 7. Not a great episode but not too bad either. Nothing too surprising as far as what we learned. And Ben's ability to always manipulate everyone is starting to get a bit old.

Fabu! I gave it a niner!

1. Juliet has finally convinced me that she is on "our" side now. btw, LOVED the line: "It's very stressful being an Other, Jack."

2. Daniel Faraday is a sweetheart, through and through.

3. Not sure about Charlotte.

4. Still wondering why Penny remembered her interactions/conversations w/Des during Desmond's time travel, in the interim, between 1996 and 2004, but Desmond didn't seem to have any memory of it while on the island. Maybe she remembered all along because she was the "constant", never having come unstuck in time herself, whereas he did come unstuck and go back...but then does that mean there were two "versions" of those times in 1996 when he went back: the original version and the version where he went back? I'm really stuck on this. Because Des theoretically should have remembered it all during his time on the island, but it didn't all come together for him until his constant (Penny) snapped him back/anchored him properly in 2004 during that poignant phone call. I'm confusigated. Time travel is a very problematic animal.

5. I knew it was Widmore's ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think there is a Widmore/Piek/Hanso conglomerate that funded Dharma and they are P*SSED at Ben and "the hostiles" (a.k.a., the Others) for killing off all the Dharma people (I hate when that happens) and taking over the island. They want what they consider their island, with all its special properties and powers, back. Knew it, knew it, aaaand: KNEW IT! Who else would know the story of Penny and Desmond and send Naomi in there with the picture and a plausible tale of Penny sending her? No one but Daddy Dearest!

6. What was with that bee-otchy therapist? She puts the "psycho" in "psychotherapist"!!! How did she know where to find Juliet? How did Ben know everything going on with Charlotte and Faraday when he was being held captive (the psycho therapist said "Ben is exactly where he wants to be" or something to that effect). What the... Also, what did she mean by telling Juliet "You look so much like her"? BIG CLUE there, me thinks? WHO does Juliet look so much like? Must have been someone who meant a lot to Ben! Also, people are always saying that Juliet, Sarah, the chick in the Looking Glass Station, etc., all look so much alike...and apparently they all look like someone else...interesting. "Boys from Brazil", anyone?

7. Are the scenes between Ben and Locke just priceless every time or WHAT? And WHO was Ben referring to when he said, okay, but you might want to sit down! Who does he have on the boat? I think it is going to be someone we thought was dead but really is not, such as Mikhail (yuk, I hope not) or maybe even someone like Tom, who is a villan but a fun one. Good old "Zeke"!

8. I told youzz that Aaron was one of the Oceanic Six! They said in the preview that the final member of the six would be revealed next time. That means that--aHA!--Aaron counts as a survivor of 815. Knew it! Come on, he was a fully-formed little creature, he was on the plane, he survived the crash. I mean, so what if he was still en-utero. He was there, he survived it, end of story!

9. Hilar moment at the end when Ben casually trotted by Hurley and Sawyer and said "See you guys at dinner!" LOVED it!
:biggrin:

This ep was just ok for me -- not great but not bad either. It was a healthy medium between the badness that was Eggtown and the awesomeness that was The Constant. After watching The Constant, I think a lot of the eps this season will be a let down in comparison -- that ep was just so emotional, intense, smart, fast -- this seemed more like filler in comparison.

That said, I thought Jacket rocked -- they are a grown-up couple, mature and respectful, not petty and silly. However, I think Juliet will likely be set up for a tragic downfall, like her namesake, with Ben ultimately tearing her down for not loving him.

The weak points in this ep = some annoying plot holes and inconsistencies. Where did The Tempest come from? How was Ben controlling it in the end? (In general, I thought that climactic scene was too confusing and muddled, which made it less suspenseful) How did we see next to nothing earlier about Ben's fatal attraction-like tendencies to Juliet? Harper was just random and too mean spirited.

But I loved the Widmore scene -- that man is super creepy!

I also love Juliet as a character, that saved the ep for me.

What we learned:
it is Widmore's boat, as we thought
Ben manipulates everyone, as we knew
Locke cannot resist Ben's bait, as always
Juliet loves Jack, surprise.
I'm too interested in what's going on now to care about how dead characters are tied into Ben's back story.

Totally agree. I gave it an 6, maybe should have a 7, since Juliet is such a good actress.

TPTB tossed us a bunch of 'bones' that we all already had gnawed on to death.

Big Surprise! Dan and Char. were NOT trying to kill everyone. AWWWW.

Big Question? Was drippy wet Mrs. Goodwin a ghost or real? Do you care?
Is her mole real? Can it talk?




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lockefan said: (this is speculation, a guess, i don't think a 'spoiler')
8.I told youzz that Aaron was one of the Oceanic Six! They said in the preview that the final member of the six would be revealed next time. That means that--aHA!--Aaron counts as a survivor of 815. Knew it! Come on, he was a fully-formed little creature, he was on the plane, he survived the crash. I mean, so what if he was still en-utero. He was there, he survived it, end of story!

I wouldn't count your winnings from Vegas quite yet! The 6 were named a long time ago, and you may not be correct? I don't know, We will see.

Big Question? Is her mole real?

Oh, it's real...

8- Good pacing, Widmore reveal/confirmation was nice can't wait to find out what happened next on the tape that Ben didn't want Locke to see. Thought the Goodwin/Juliet/Therapist triangle was a bit soap operish.
It is odd that Ben is needy and also fear inspiring. It makes sense being that Ben was raised in isolation by an alcoholic father who blamed him for his mothers death. I am curious how he learned to be such a Master manipulator and button pusher. Thought the countdown to poison gas release slash catfight was cornball Hollywood.

How did we see next to nothing earlier about Ben's fatal attraction-like tendencies to Juliet?

Oh, but we did. There has always been ICK surrounding his interactions with her. Remember "You never made me soup...", "So I guess I'm out of the bookclub now", the look he gives her when she sees Jack on the monitor and says he's cute, etc. El Creepo loves/hates her because he can't have her. I think he's been punishing her eversince Goodwin died because she STILL won't have his bugeyed babies. Remember when he locked her with Jack and flooded the room?

Harper was just random and too mean spirited.

And totally cartoonish. I think Andrea Roth didn't do a very good job but the lines she was given were pretty lame. She was the low point of the episode for me.


Wow, after reading half the comments on this thread, I expected the episode to be horrific. Far from it. It's a good thing that Damon & Carlton are going to stick to their story plans because those of us in Lost fandom are tough to please.

I stopped being a harsh critic in season three and have been living a much happier life as a LOST fan since. I could even enjoy bits and parts of Eggtown, but I had to speak out about that one cause it just blew. This one was by no means stellar, but I was entertained and looked at it as just a set up episode and it builds on a lot and will provide good info for future storylines, IMO.

THANK YOU for pointing out a few things about the lack of OMGWTF reveals. I don't care if I'm the only one in fandom, but... I do NOT like huge, implausible reveals week after week, particularly because they're implausible. Widmore's story has been built on for two seasons now and I LIKE that. I want it to make sense, I don't want to be shocked simply for shock value.

And totally cartoonish. I think Andrea Roth didn't do a very good job but the lines she was given were pretty lame. She was the low point of the episode for me.


Oh, that's her real name! I spent the entire episode wondering where I'd seen her before. I guess i have to look her up in IMBd. She is Very beautiful in a very distinctive way. I wish she had a bigger part.
EDIT:
OK, I did look her up...How could I have been so forgetful?

She plays the ex-wife "Janet Gavin" on "Rescue Me", my favorite non-Lost show!!
(But with blond hair and sexy clothes.)

Oh, but we did. There has always been ICK surrounding his interactions with her. Remember "You never made me soup...", "So I guess I'm out of the bookclub now", the look he gives her when she sees Jack on the monitor and says he's cute, etc. El Creepo loves/hates her because he can't have her. I think he's been punishing her eversince Goodwin died because she STILL won't have his bugeyed babies. Remember when he locked her with Jack and flooded the room?


I agree -- we did definitely get some creepy Ben-likes-Juliet vibes last season, but there was just something off about how this ep transitioned from what we knew earlier about their relationship. Maybe it was just a little too soapy for me, the whole Goodwin-Harper-Juliet-Ben thing going on in this ep that made it seem to not quite gel with what we saw of Ben and Juliet before. I can't quite put my finger on it.



THANK YOU for pointing out a few things about the lack of OMGWTF reveals. I don't care if I'm the only one in fandom, but... I do NOT like huge, implausible reveals week after week, particularly because they're implausible. Widmore's story has been built on for two seasons now and I LIKE that. I want it to make sense, I don't want to be shocked simply for shock value.

Completely agree! We do not need every ep to be a huge reveal -- though the really good ones that come around are definitely memorable (TTLG, Ben and Sayid, Libby in the institute, to name a few)

And I also like the Widmore story and how that has unfolded. If you track his first appearance (in LTDA), to this point, it is very interesting how little we see of him/know of him, but how utterly integrated he is slowly becoming into the bigger scheme of things. It wasn't really a shock that he was behind the freighter (I pretty much figured he was after Naomi landed with the Des/Penny pic) but it was still a good reveal, and not an out of this world, implausibly contrived twist.

I agree -- we did definitely get some creepy Ben-likes-Juliet vibes last season, but there was just something off about how this ep transitioned from what we knew earlier about their relationship. Maybe it was just a little too soapy for me, the whole Goodwin-Harper-Juliet-Ben thing going on in this ep that made it seem to not quite gel with what we saw of Ben and Juliet before. I can't quite put my finger on it..

I hope it plays up into something that is still to come, otherwise it does seem kind of 'filler-ish'. Just to remind us that Benry really IS bad? Just when Locke is starting to trust him?

Is Harper dead? She said "long time no see" to Juliet. Jules has been with the Losties for only a couple weeks by now, right? They made her 'disappear' in the jungle as though she was a ghost, like Walt.

I gave it an 8. Good eppy, enjoyable, scarey, some answers...more questions...Lost still has me lost and intrigued. =]

yeah...I rated this episode an 8. definitely not one of the better episodes this season. but I agree, it would be hard to have stunningly good episodes like the Constant every week.

still this episode did seem like filler and juliet's backstory was kind of boring. I basically had figured it all out already...

meh :bored:

I gave it a 6. Just missed the mark for me. I did enjoy looking a Goodwin's dead body and Sawyer and Hurley playing horseshoes, but that's about it!

I gave it a 5. It was boring, cheesy, not like an episode of a show which is supposed to gain momentum and faster pace and ESSENCE. Seriously if this is an example of average Lost episode until the end of the show, we will see many filler episodes, showing the usual Lost sicknesses like having the most incurious, irrational, reactive dumb characters you can see on TV, poor dialogue (or no dialogue).

I wrote a long post in this thread last night that ended up floating out in cyber-space somewhere. This one will have to be briefer, but I really liked this episode and wanted to say so. I gave it a nice solid 9.

I loved getting a deeper sense of Juliet's experience as an Other, not just the facts but how she felt. Her loneliness, her discouragement at not being able to save the women who were dying, her discomfort around Ben that turned to outright horror after he revealed his possessiveness toward her, her fear of him. I really enjoyed seeing her past as a backdrop to a new round of questioning herself and questioning her courage to continue going against Ben... the whole testing of self that she went through in this episode was fascinating to watch and Elizabeth Mitchell did an wonderful job bringing Juliet's fears and loneliness and self-doubt and discouragement and despair to the story.

I also loved the development of the Juliet and Jack relationship, which feels so right to me for these two people. They started with a grudging understanding of each other that deepened to friendship, liking and mutual respect, and continues to move forward to something with real romantic potential. I like these two together and really pull for them both to get the hell of that island and find romance and relief from their loneliness.

Ben continues to fascinate in all his weirdness. I'm not at all convinced that he's told the truth about Widmore, but he certainly has fooled Locke... again. The astonishment on the faces of Hurley and Sawyer in that last scene was brilliant... and Ben's "See you at dinner" cracked me right up. He's such a twisted, malevolent (IMO) but fascinating little nut, that I can't help enjoying every twist and turn he brings to this story.

Daniel and Charlotte continue to be excellent additions to the cast. I got the sense that they genuinely believed exactly what they told Juliet. OTOH, I'm not sure they have been told the truth by whoever entrusted them with their mission. There's more to the freighter story than we've been shown by a long shot, IMO.

As a character episode, I thought this was excellent. I gave it a 9 because I really feel it's time to get Sun, Jin, Hurely, Sawyer and Claire off the sidelines and get them engaged in the whole freighter story.

Very much looking forward to seeing more of this season... it's all been so very good so far!

6 ~ not the best, but I was entertained enough to stay tuned in and pay attention... although there were some possible setups being laid for future episodes.

rated it a 2, very disappointing.

Episode was okay. Not my favorite. But not nearly as bad as Eggtown.

I just felt it was mainly filler - filling in our little holes with much we had already speculated.

I give this episode a 1- a notch above Eggtown, which I gave a 0 (glad I was finally able to actually vote on this one). Writing was dreadful, as well as many other aspects. I posted a detailed review on the bottom of page 11 on the “Didn’t Love It” thread, so I won’t repeat it all here. Synopsis: continued ridiculously lame love triangles; continued character stupidity; continued overall structure problems; continued use of “crutch” devise (flashbacks) in Season 4; bad directing (they keep pulling in so tight that not even the person’s entire face is visible on the screen); no questions answered, AGAIN (Daddy Widmore is the one who has the freighter- was anyone surprised by this?); conclusion- I doubt if TPTB can save this show. They’ve gotten so far away from how this show was different than any other show, that it is becoming the same as any other show- with increasingly lame plots.

I gave the episode a 5. I really wasn't into it, maybe part of the reason is that it came after such a great episode the previous week. The conversations seem forced. And it feels like we didn't really learn anything. Okay, we learn that Mr. Windmore is behind the freighter but we kinda knew that. I don't know, maybe I need to re-watch it again.

I waited for a second viewing to post my thoughts about this epi. I first rated the ep. a 5 and after the second viewing I might give it a 7. It was the most disappointing episode for me from Lost, ever. I agree with most of the other posters' reasons for a less than stellar episode, but I think what bothered me most was Juliet's backstory and the Jacket relationship. It seemed to me that it was out of character for Juliet to have an affair with a married man so early on after her arrival on the island. She seemed so timid and insecure that her sneaky harlotry seemed odd. I know that's really picky and probably didn't bother anyone else, but I love my characters and when they seem to do something uncharacteristic it bothers me.

Jack and Juliet, that pairing is fine, but absolutely lackluster. If you're going to use two great characters (and actors) give them a story that will create some chemistry. I guess they're counting on the "damsel in distress" scenario to provide that, but it just seems kinda cheap. Maybe it'll set up something to come.

Major disappointment that we didn't find out who Ben's man on the boat is. Arg!

What I liked:
Ben: Ultra-psycho-love-sick-murderer. Woot, woot!
Ben and Locke: now there's chemistry!
Creepy whispers!!!

I'm still excited about next week and will always love lost. I kind of hate to complain about a show I love so much.

MB

I thought it was one of the worst Lost episodes yet. Very disappointing. I hate the whole love triangle thing, I have no interest in Juliette.

Kate is really annoying me by being stupid and weak, where is season 1 Kate? Bring her back.

Pointless new characters, awful plot.

The only good things where some new whispers (LOVE the whispers)

I waited for a second viewing to post my thoughts about this epi. I first rated the ep. a 5 and after the second viewing I might give it a 7. It was the most disappointing episode for me from Lost, ever...

...I kind of hate to complain about a show I love so much.

Do NOT feel bad and do NOT upgrade it to a 7. When people have invested over 3 seasons watching this show and they trot out something this terrible, they need to hear it from their loyal fans. Do you know how many people there are who just refuse to watch this show because of the continuing story, so if they miss an episode here or there, they become lost (I’m sure that’s why they started rerunning episodes before the premier of an episode)? It is my hope to send TPTB a wake-up call- letting them know how P.O. a big portion of their audience is. ***Mod edited***

If you don’t let TPTB know how bad this was, just like Eggtown, we are definitely just going to be saddled with more and more episodes just like it- and then I’ll just stop watching it. By telling them we hated it and why we hated it, maybe they will avoid going down this road in the future. I think it was a great idea on their part to sponsor this board, as a feedback mechanism. Without good, constructive feedback, how will they know for sure that the audience is happy? Obviously, at some point, the ratings will decline in a major way if the audience isn’t happy, but is that all they care about? Aren’t they artists who take pride in making a superior, intelligent show? This is why TV has become so terrible- no one cares anymore. It’s become like that Seinfeld episode where Jerry and George are meeting with the NBC execs and the head guy asks them, “Why am I watching it (their potential show about nothing)?” George’s answer: “Because, it’s on TV.” LOST is the only show I watch on a weekly basis and it would suck to end up throwing in the towel on it.

I wanted to give this a 6.5, but since that's not an option I voted a slightly generous 7. I like the flashbacks to pre-crash Otherville - seeing how they lived and what was going on with their lives from their point of view still fascinates me. However, I didn't like the Harper character - she seemed quite jarring. I also disliked the Juliet-Goodwin extramarital affair angle. I thought showing Juliet the dead body was something only Ben would do, but the "You're mine" line just didn't seem to fit. Great acting from Michael Emerson, as always.

I have absolutely no respect left for John. It's just really disgusting to see how easily Ben manipulates him, and how John takes the bait time after time. I guess it was good to get confirmation of things that even we unspoiled viewers have suspected (Widmore's boat). I loved seeing our other Losties getting in on the action a bit. I got excited about seeing another creepy whispers scene, but rolled my eyes when Jack said NOTHING about Harper just disappearing. LOVED the Jate reunion, but I thought it was completely unbelievable that Kate would turn her back on Charlotte when she was so clearly suspicious of them. Charlotte and Dan are still interesting, and I was happy to find out what they were doing with those gas masks. The countdown clock scene was just complete cheeeeeeze, and this girl fight was lame.

What really killed it for me at the end was the Jack-Juliet scene. While I am a definite Jater, I accept that Jacket is going to be a factor for awhile. However, it just made me puke how romance novel corny this was. Is Jack really that easily manipulated? Does he leap head-first into a relationship with every "damsel in distress"? If I were Jack, I don't see how I could even begin to really trust Juliet after all that's happened. Bleh.

Now I'm thinking I should have given this epi a lower rating.

I like Juliet. I like it when any backstory about the Others is filled in.
I like new stations and hatches (hello Tempest!) and I like the whispers.

therefore, I liked this eppy. gave it a 8.

quirk of note - Otherville has recently featured both horseshoes and hand gernades.
:34853_huh: Makes me think of an expression...

I waited for a second viewing to post my thoughts about this epi. I first rated the ep. a 5 and after the second viewing I might give it a 7. It was the most disappointing episode for me from Lost, ever. I agree with most of the other posters' reasons for a less than stellar episode, but I think what bothered me most was Juliet's backstory and the Jacket relationship. It seemed to me that it was out of character for Juliet to have an affair with a married man so early on after her arrival on the island. She seemed so timid and insecure that her sneaky harlotry seemed odd. I know that's really picky and probably didn't bother anyone else, but I love my characters and when they seem to do something uncharacteristic it bothers me.

Jack and Juliet, that pairing is fine, but absolutely lackluster. If you're going to use two great characters (and actors) give them a story that will create some chemistry. I guess they're counting on the "damsel in distress" scenario to provide that, but it just seems kinda cheap. Maybe it'll set up something to come.

Major disappointment that we didn't find out who Ben's man on the boat is. Arg!

What I liked:
Ben: Ultra-psycho-love-sick-murderer. Woot, woot!
Ben and Locke: now there's chemistry!
Creepy whispers!!!

I'm still excited about next week and will always love lost. I kind of hate to complain about a show I love so much.

MB

it's like you read my mind, good post I agree with basically everything you said.

I rated it an 8 though. I don't think it was near as bad as people though. (I think more like 7.5 is better but I didn't want to pick 7).

It was the most disappointing episode for me from Lost, ever..."

Exactly. I hearby change my vote from a 6 to a 5. (5's are reserved for direct signals to TPTB to fire the offender).

Jeez, Lost fandom, take it easy. You'll give yourself a nose bleed.

I got excited about seeing another creepy whispers scene, but rolled my eyes when Jack said NOTHING about Harper just disappearing.

What exactly does one say in a situation like that anyway? He knows the Others creep around the jungle like that. How is Jack saying: "Whoa, dude! She... disappeared!!!" relevant to the scene at all? This isn't news to anyone who's had any type of experience with the Others.


What really killed it for me at the end was the Jack-Juliet scene. While I am a definite Jater, I accept that Jacket is going to be a factor for awhile. However, it just made me puke how romance novel corny this was. Is Jack really that easily manipulated? Does he leap head-first into a relationship with every "damsel in distress"? If I were Jack, I don't see how I could even begin to really trust Juliet after all that's happened. Bleh.

It's interesting that he owes unconditional allegiance to a woman who has repeatedly lied to him, manipulated him and continues to lie to him (even if just by omission), abandoned him over and over again and has been sleeping with another man for one third of the total time they've known each other on the Island, but if he trusts Juliet, a woman who's lied to him and manipulated him and then came clean and has been nothing but helpful to all the losties ever since, he's all of a sudden in a relationship with a damsel in distress. Different strokes for different folks and all that, but there was nothing insincere about that scene where Juliet is terrified of Ben and tells Jack he IS going to win this war and she thinks they're never going to be free of Ben. The entire flashback in the episode was built to clue us viewers into just HOW psychotic Ben is, particularly when it comes to Juliet so no, Juliet is not manipulating Jack.


[FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial]Do NOT feel bad and do NOT upgrade it to a 7. When people have invested over 3 seasons watching this show and they trot out something this terrible, they need to hear it from their loyal fans. Do you know how many people there are who just refuse to watch this show because of the continuing story, so if they miss an episode here or there, they become lost (I’m sure that’s why they started rerunning episodes before the premier of an episode)? It is my hope to send TPTB a wake-up call- letting them know how P.O. a big portion of their audience is.

Omigoodness, oh MY! :lol2: I'm never one to shy away from complaining and nitpicking and I ranted in a similar fashion for most of season three. I do not own this show however and I do not feel entitled to being P.O. about its development, no matter how much I love it and am truly obsessed with it.

I'm just a viewer watching her favorite show. Some nights it entertains me, some nights it doesn't and some nights it just blows me away and makes me stay up till 5 am in a state of feverish excitement. This episode entertained me, despite its obvious flaws, I turned the tv off and went to bed happy. It's all I ask of it on most nights, but I refuse to give myself a nosebleed over a tv show.

Absolutely worst episode, ever.

That 1 point is solely for Ben.

Jeez, Lost fandom, take it easy. You'll give yourself a nose bleed...
... I'm just a viewer watching her favorite show. Some nights it entertains me, some nights it doesn't and some nights it just blows me away and makes me stay up till 5 am in a state of feverish excitement. This episode entertained me, despite its obvious flaws, I turned the tv off and went to bed happy. It's all I ask of it on most nights, but I refuse to give myself a nosebleed over a tv show.

Sorry, if I made it sound like I was giving myself a “nose bleed” over it. I certainly am not. LOST is just the only show I watch on a weekly basis and I would be extremely dissatisfied after investing this much time in a show, to have it just fall apart. If TPTB let it drift down towards mediocrity, I’ll be just fine- it’s just TV. I have a 14-month-old baby girl and she’s the only entertainment I’ll really ever need.

it was ok! but it didnt meet my expectations, i was thinking that this episode would be the best juliet centric ever but obvsiously it wasnt... still liked it tho...

This season has been so good, until this episode...I gave it a 4, I find Juliette boring, it's like a wasted episode on her...

8/10

the best part of this episode is that it wasn't a "juliet episode" as much as it was a "ben through the eyes of juliet episode"... which was what i was hoping for... Emerson is brilliant...

all the flashback scenes with ben and juliet were done well... maybe not the actual story of the flashback but the acting was great... it was cool to see that juliet thought very highly of ben until the goodwin tragedy...

the only thing wrong with the ben and locke scenes was that there wasn't enough... didn't like the fact that they ended the episode with the "man on the boat" mystery AGAIN... but it may be worth it if it's not the obvious choice...

as for the whole trek to the Tempest, i wasn't really a fan of this story... i was too confused as to farraday's and lewis' intentions to really care about the stupid countdown... and i hate how juliet is so secretive... it seems like she is still somewhat loyal to ben, though, only because she knows he's gonna win...

this episode was clearly all about Ben and he is the best actor on the show... while it didn't progress the story too much, it was definitely very entertaining...

I’m giving this episode a 5.

I was so freaked out by Ben. He was creepy before but now he terrifies me.
Juliet’s flashbacks in the past have been great but this one didn’t feel like it needed a whole hour spent on it. It frustrates me that I still haven’t figured out whether I think Juliet can be trusted or not.
I felt the Jack and Juliet kiss was random, awkward and very contrived. I know I am rooting for Jack and Kate but if they are going with Jack and Juliet for now they are really going to have to search for some chemistry between the two - I was getting nothing from them
Great to see Claire stepping up and questioning Locke – shame she doesn’t get more of a look in and show just a little bit of grief for Charlie
I’m getting a bit fed up with Ben’s constant mind games with Locke – what on earth is going on in Locke’s head!
Loved Hurley and Sawyer’s stunned expressions at Ben walking free. They make great roommates.

I rated it a Nine. Thought it was informative and tied up lose ends. Ben always has a plan worked Locke again. Odd on the Tempest thing. Who turned the system on in the first place? OR why? Was it necessary to shut the system down? Didn't I see an emergency cut-of switch in the wall....Hmmmmmm

I gave the episode an 8. It wasn't as good as The Constant but I really liked Juliet's flashback. I don't really like her character but I found her flashback really interestng especially her scenes with Ben.
The best part was easily the Ben and Locke scenes and I'm dying to know who Ben's man on the freighter is!

I gave this episode a 6. It really didn't do it for me; I'm not a big Juliet fan, and found most of the FBs to be a bit redundant. I also didn't like the way Harper was shoe-horned into the oft-repeated opening scene of S3.

'The Kiss' had no spark, electricity, passion. Nothing! It seemed like neither of them wanted to be there. We all KNOW Jack loves Kate now and in the future, so...I don't get it. Enough with the geometric love already!

One interesting thing I noticed was on the tape that Ben played to Locke. Why would Widmore be beating someone up in a back alley? Surely someone as rich/powerful as him would have hired goons to do that for him; he wouldn't get his own hands dirty. He would have watched from the comfort of his car. That just seemed odd to me.

Onwards and upwards. Looking forward to next week!

Not my favorite, but not bad.

rate: 9
Because it give more information about the mind of Ben (he is human too, becuase that i want to rate the episode whit 8:mad:).
Now we know Widmore is the boats chief.

lockefan said: (this is speculation, a guess, i don't think a 'spoiler')

Uhm, no, that was a spoiler! Everything that hasn't yet aired as part of an episode is a spoiler, and that includes previews.

I would give it a 1 because there's nothing on the chart for minus numbers. I thought it was :mad: :drowsy: :frown:

I gave it a 3.
I'm starting to think this show is able to ruin every character as soon as they go into romance territory, this time it was Ben's turn.
As a whole, it felt like a wasted opportunity.
A filler, but not a good one.

I give it a 9. I would have given it a 10 if Jack hadn't kissed Juliet! YUK!! That so grossed me out that I had to shut my eyes. When I watched the show again, I fast forwarded over it. That kiss is so high school. If I can't have the girl I love, then I'll be with someone else. Kate came back, she told Jack the truth about why she stayed (which is a first),,,,,they were making progress.

I know a lot of people didn't like the storyline and I agree with that I don't really care about Juliet, but I do want to know if she's all good or really bad. But the trophy goes to Ben for making the show worth while! OMG, that man can act. The scene in the dungeon (whatever it is) where he tells Locke, "Oh, I always have a plan"....I thought I'd fall off the couch laughing. He can go from mesmerizing, smart and likeable to totally spooky. I LOVE BEN!!!

Also the last shot of Hurley and Sawyer in total awe watching Ben....great job!

Loved the episode 10. Ben and Juliette are my favorite characters though. Would rather see her with Ben than Jack anyday:kiss:

I gave it a 9. I actually loved this episode and anytime there is a chance to up Ben's creepy factor I'm glued to the edge of my seat.

I don't know which was more disturbing, watching him tell Juliet that she belongs to him or nonchalantly walking threw Otherton with his linens and telling Saywer and Hurley he will see them at dinner.

What we learned:
it is Widmore's boat, as we thought
Ben manipulates everyone, as we knew
Locke cannot resist Ben's bait, as always
Juliet loves Jack, surprise...


That's why I gave it 5.


Gave it a 5 too, an updated version of what we already know... Well said.

I gave it 6. It was, as many have said, rather ho-hum. It is very rare that I look at the clock to see how much more of the an episode I have to watch rather than get to watch.
We gave it a second viewing last night, and I have to disagree that the problem with the episode is that it came on the heels of "The Constant" and, therefore, pales in comparison. It was just boring.
Plus, Kate turns her back on someone she doesn't trust? Females-fighting-but-never-bumping-into-brilliant-yet-socially-awkward-scientist-working-to-save-world/disarm-missles/insert-crisis-here-until-ticker-runs-down-to-one?
Please!!! Are these the third string writers? I felt like I was watching 24, and not when it was new and fresh, either.

I gave it a 7! I thought it was great, not WOW but pretty good but it had to follow "The Constant" which was amazing. I think you guys are rating it a bit too tough.:shrug:
I thought it was better than Eggtown but not as good as "The Constant."
not bad though...
but Ben's attraction to Juliet scares me, big-time. :yikes: :whoa:

I liked this epi a lot. Lots of twists and turns. Other then that I just liked it no particular reason.

This is by far the weakest Juliet episode yet....considering that both her centric episodes last season were superb.
The scenes were all rather slow paced....we didn't need to know about yet another quadrangle, this time among The Others.
Harper appearing in front of Juliet in the jungle was scary though.
And I felt for Juliet when Goodwin was killed. He was her only source of happiness on this island.
The final scenes- the catfight between Juliet and Charlotte, and the Jack/Juliet kiss at the end saved this episode.

6/10.