What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)

8. Learned a lot and now know that Jin is either time traveling too or is way way undercover for some reason. Oh yeah... there's a panda bear somewhere in the new Ji Yeon's life.

terrible, super slow moving, WOW Michaels on the boat...who didnt guess that at this point?

eeehhhhh, an 8. Better than last week's but not by much. The only things that made it a decent episode was the ending (Jin having a FB and Sun having a FF), Juliet ratting Sun out, and discovering Ben is behind the faked crash.

I gave it an 8. I liked last week's epi better as this one I found boring in many parts until the end. I normally don't care for Sun/Jin epis even though I really like them (I think it could be the subtitles) but this one did throw me for a loop. It was one of the biggest tear jerkers on the show so far.

Story was meh, but it got a 9 from me for a few reasons:

The hot that is Zoe Bell (I demand a flashback!) , the return of Michael, and the mindfrak of FBs and FFs in one eppy.

And gosh darn, this show is getting way too depressing! I used to be all for thinning out the herd, but Jin?! Say it ain't so!

BTW, I'm finding spoiler-free viewing much more fun than the alternative.

Thank you Bernard for reminding the audience what Locke is. Locke is a murderer. I love Bernard.

I don't think Jin is dead. I think Jin never left the island and therefore is presumed dead and they made a memorial for him. Why would Sun and Hurley go to the memorial even though they know Jin is still on the island? same reason they had Jack asking about his father in TTLG: to fool the audience.

If Jin is still alive, I'll rate this episode 9. If he's dead, then it's 7.

Karma: good things happen to those making the right choice. I hope it's true. If so, Jin's still alive. And Charlie too. If he's really dead... then this show is getting too depressing for me.

I gave it a nine--my third favorite episode of the season, behind The Constant and Confirmed Dead...

the fishing scene with Bernard was a bit slow and awkward, but all of the Sun/Jin drama in the episode made the brilliantly executed twist at the end of the episode that much more devastating.

I also liked the way that Michael was re-introduced (great, subtle and weird), but the ending was so strong I found myself not even thinking too much about Michael--a very unusual and graceful placement of an episode's cliff-hanger element before the end of the story. I hope we see more cool story layerings, away from the overt--"everybody stop, here's the cliff hanger" moments.

Really liked this one. It was the right time for an episode where the characters actually shared info and asked questions. Loved the twists even though I was spoiled. Very touching ending, too. I love how the Oceanic 6 losties have all these new mysteries to be resolved in the flashforwards. Not sure if Jin is an O6er or not but can't wait to see what happens next. Did everyone catch Expose on Sun's tv at the beginning?

Thank you Bernard for reminding the audience what Locke is. Locke is a murderer. I love Bernard.

How do you know the freighter folk are not murderers themselves? What Locke did was best for the survivors. It's obvious the Oceanic 6 were not meant to leave the island.

That was a bit of a rollercoaster ride for me. My head was spinning the whole time, gotta give TPTB credit for that, but I was crying like a little baby when Sun was talking to Jin's grave. Jin's FBs, which I thought were FF for a while really threw me for a loop. I should have picked up on it when Jin dropped that big clunky cellphone, or when he said he was married for 2 months. I really enjoyed the episode, even though it made me cry :(

I gave it a 7. It was kind of slow. I wish the Michael thing could have been a surprise, but I don't think it surprised anyone on this board... I really liked Sayid's reaction. Good acting, Sayid.

Yunjin and Daniel's acting in this episode was brilliant, so that saved the episode. But the FB/FF was painfully obvious to me. Jin's old cellphone, younger style hair they always give him in his FBs, the nurse's sad look when Sun calls out for Jin, not to mention the exceedingly bizarre panda bear scenes. I knew along that if he was trying to get to Sun, he would not be busy purchasing a freaking panda bear. It made no sense and didn't advance the plot at all, therefore it HAD to be a trick TPTB were pulling on us.

The point of me saying all that is this: If I had fallen for it, I would have rated it higher. But I just don't think Adam and Eddy have the strongest writing and therefore the trick didn't work for me. I'm actually a little surprised that Christina Kim didn't write this one. I thought she always did Sun and Jin episodes....

Anyway, the plot did move along a little, and there were big reveals, so even though I didn't love it, the episode is redeemed enough to get a 7.

Gave it a 9. I generally like Jin and Sun episodes and this one was no exception. And that twist at the end really threw me for a loop. Loved the scene where Jin had to go back for a second panda bear. I sure hope that he is not dead.

I gave it a 7 because Jin and Sun's back story doesn't really appeal to me, and I thought that it was pretty boring.

How do you know the freighter folk are not murderers themselves? What Locke did was best for the survivors. I don't and I don't need too. Murdering a murderer is still murder - even if a tall child vision told you do do it.

Locke is a murderer. He's an insane murderer. Listening to the words of island visions and throwing a knife and killing a girl, unprovoked. No self-defense. M-U-R-D-E-R..

Did everyone catch Expose on Sun's tv at the beginning? Oh, was that Expose? I heard the Quinn Martin Production-type music and thought, oh, they have terrible crime shows in Korea too!

Yunjin and Daniel's acting in this episode was brilliant, so that saved the episode. But the FB/FF was painfully obvious to me. Jin's old cellphone, younger style hair they always give him in his FBs, the nurse's sad look when Sun calls out for Jin, not to mention the exceedingly bizarre panda bear scenes. I knew along that if he was trying to get to Sun, he would not be busy purchasing a freaking panda bear. It made no sense and didn't advance the plot at all, therefore it HAD to be a trick TPTB were pulling on us.

The point of me saying all that is this: If I had fallen for it, I would have rated it higher. But I just don't think Adam and Eddy have the strongest writing and therefore the trick didn't work for me. I'm actually a little surprised that Christina Kim didn't write this one. I thought she always did Sun and Jin episodes....

Anyway, the plot did move along a little, and there were big reveals, so even though I didn't love it, the episode is redeemed enough to get a 7.

I guess I would rate it a 7 too. I like Sun/Jin episodes; I have always liked their dynamic and the numerous struggles their marriage has gone through, and this was a bit rushed for Jin to forgive her just like that but on the other hand they're stuck on Craphole Island and she might die and he does love her deeply.

I was quite unaware of the dual ff/fb; I thought Jin was in the same temporal space, shall we say, as Sun, and to be frank I didn't appreciate being jerked around like that. It only started to dawn on me when he said he was married only two months, although you're right, the cell phone brick should have given it away.

I liked the captain and the fact that he was very forthcoming. He doesn't seem to like Widmore either. I'm surprised Desmond didn't freak more than he did.
And you're right, good job Sayid on playing dumb upon "meeting Kevin Johnson".

And there's Sun looking slim as ever only a couple (?) weeks after giving birth? I hate women like that. :rolleyes:

I thought Sun and Hurley were heading to Jin's funeral but then again Hurley would have been more in grief upon knocking on Sun's door. So when did Jin really die? And how???
Of course I cried when she was talking to Jin's grave.

Gave it a 9 - Yay for flashforward / flashback shenanigans! It also was a very emotional episode, which I liked.

I found myself eye-rolling :rolleyes: at the childbirth scene... but only slightly so. I get the whole hamming it up for dramatic effect and such :)

Seeing Michael wasn't such a huge surprise as abc wanted me to believe, given that Harold Perrineau's name was in the credits for, like, ever. So I blame the network for my inability to give this episode a 10 ;)

Thank you Bernard for reminding the audience what Locke is. Locke is a murderer. I love Bernard.

So does that make Bernard a hypocrite, calling Locke one of the bad ones, despite being responsible for the deaths of 2 others? Bernard, Sayid and Jin all went out on a mission to protect their own from a threat (cheers from everyone for being so noble)... Locke did the same thing. So how does Locke end up being a murderer, when Bernard, who basically doubled Locke's kill count get off calling himself one of the good guys?

Gave it an eight. Solid episode and I love how the freighter seems just as bleak as the Island. Zoe just jumping into the deepend to her death was kind of strange....

What I didn't get is there are very few people on that ship, yet they can't find the saboteur? I smell a set-up......but thats for another topic.

So does that make Bernard a hypocrite, calling Locke one of the bad ones, despite being responsible for the deaths of 2 others? Bernard, Sayid and Jin all went out on a mission to protect their own from a threat (cheers from everyone for being so noble)... Locke did the same thing. So how does Locke end up being a murderer, when Bernard, who basically doubled Locke's kill count get off calling himself one of the good guys?

Solders in a war aren't murderers. Those Others were armed and they were about to abduct the pregnant women in the camp. They were being attacked, Sayid, Bernard and Jin were protecting the camp. That's not murder.

Locke was in no danger from Naomi. She wasn't armed, she wasn't attacking him. There was no evidence whatsoever that the boat people were about to kill everyone on the island. You only had Ben's word for it and we know how trustworthy he is. And you don't go on killing people based on visions. :rolleyes:

Gave this episode a 7, and that's adding two points--one point just to see Michael's face again, and one point for Sun's grave scene. This is the first episode of the season that I gave a rating of 8 or less.

I enjoy watching Sunjin and Daniel on the screen, but too often I don't feel they get good stories. Tonight's on-island story just did not work for me. It boiled down to: Sun decides against all reason to go to Locke's camp. In the end, she decides to stay on the beach. What a waste of time. A Bernard\Jin fishing expedition? Could Bernard have been a little more profound? Oh, and Jin taking responsibility for Sun's affair because he was emotionally distant was noble, but sickening.

I was spoiled for the off-island Jin\Sun thing, so I can't really comment on that only to say that the grave scene with Sun was moving. I really enjoyed seeing Harold on the screen, even if it was only for a minute or so. It was like seeing an old friend.

When the writers' strike was over, the initial plan was to stop for a break after this episode. Then, the decision was made to show all eight completed episodes before the break. I can only say that I am happy I don't have to wait another month for an episode of Lost after this let-down.

Solders in a war aren't murderers.

And you don't go on killing people based on visions. :rolleyes:

What about the vision of peace that soldiers who enlist themselves hold as something worth fighting, and killing for? Locke was protecting the island, and those on it, from a threat. He, like Bernard, took action against an enemy in order to secure the safety of the people he cared about.

I, too, gave it a 7. I thought it was a good episode, but Jin and Sun aren't my favorites (well Sun isn't). I enjoyed that Juliet stepped up and got Sun to stay, and in a round about way, she also got the last secret out between Sun and Jin, which is always healthy for a marriage.

This episode gave us some interesting stuff, especially from the Captain. I was surprised that he flat out admitted that Widmore had staged the entire death of Flight 815 and wondered out loud who has that kind of power and money. I'm still not sure why they want Ben. He made reference to how does someone get 300 dead bodies, but what does that have to do with Ben? Did Ben leave the island with all those passports he has, and help stage the deaths with Widmore? Another mystery.

I loved seeing Michael, and who cares if it wasn't a surprise. Just announcing his return was going to put a kabosh on any "WOW, it's Michael!" reaction. We knew it was coming, it came, and I was darn happy to see him. Now, what's with all the dying on the freighter?

Lastly, the final five minutes was a huge WTF moment for me. I didn't see it as a FB at all, I saw it as Jin and Sun getting stuck in two separate time dimensions. Maybe Sun and Jin left the island in different ways, Sun ended up in real time, but Jin went back in time. Yes, I know, it's making my head hurt too, but I just didn't see it as a FB. I saw it as a time loop. At least, that was my initial reaction.

I'm very happy that we are getting five more episodes after next week because I need SOME type of closure in terms of answers before the season ends.

Cylune, here's a wee snippet from lostpedia regarding Naomi: "Her conversation with Matthew Abaddon prior to her mission to the Island also suggests that she is a skilled operative with military experience, and suited for dangerous black ops scenarios."

As you said, "Soldiers in a war aren't murderers." This is a war for the fate of the island. Locke kicked serious ***. In fact he Solid-Snaked her black ops junk. Done.

as some famous comic book store owner once said:"Worst episode ever"

What about the vision of peace that soldiers who enlist themselves hold as something worth fighting, and killing for? Locke was protecting the island, and those on it, from a threat. He, like Bernard, took action against an enemy in order to secure the safety of the people he cared about.

So if there's a man I don't like on the street and feel he's a threat to my family, that entitles me to kill him? right.

The only thing Locke cares about is his special destiny.

Cylune, here's a wee snippet from lostpedia regarding Naomi: "Her conversation with Matthew Abaddon prior to her mission to the Island also suggests that she is a skilled operative with military experience, and suited for dangerous black ops scenarios." So because she's military, it's okay to murder her? Even then... in war, you don't kill an unarmed soldier.

9, Reginas "issues" were interesting, I'd like to know what would happen to drive her "mad", The FF/FB was also pretty cool, I knew that Jin and Sun were considered part of the O6 I assume Jin died after they got off the Island, and the Michael thing was ruined, by myself, due to spoilers, no spoilers for next week.

Rated it a 9. Nice slow pace EP. Shame about Jin. Love Hugo's threads. Julette looked kind of beat up. Zoe reading her book upside down and then taking a plunge with chains and nobody cares... Interesting. Liked Captain cool too.

Oh yeah, I forgot in war how the two sides get together over tea and customarily make sure that each other are well armed. That way it's super fair and your enemy has a keen chance at killing you. If Canada starts enlisting, well, please flee.

So if there's a man I don't like on the street and feel he's a threat to my family, that entitles me to kill him? right.

The only thing Locke cares about is his special destiny.

I missed the part when we moved from a secluded battlefield discussing the morals of defense against invasion threats to a guy walking down the street by your local 7/11. I'm sure Bernard would have gotten into a spot of trouble if we moved the whole blasting explosives scenario to your very out-of-context neighborhood, too.

So if there's a man I don't like on the street and feel he's a threat to my family, that entitles me to kill him? right.
In Canada, no. On an uncharted island with terrifying enemies and deadly smoke phenomena, where there is no law even defining murder, and where you receive miraculous visions as well as miraculous healing, well, let's just say, the rules are different there.

Locke is not a black and white character, and he is, in his own mind, defending the island--at all costs. It will be interesting to view Locke once the series ends and we find out about the island. When we find out about the island, we can then re-visit Locke's killing of Naomi. As far as Bernard is concerned--he is a nice guy, but most definately out of the loop. He really has no idea what is going on. Locke has some idea what's going on, but he might be, believe it or not, being deceived by the island. We might have differing opinions about him at the end of the series, but that's because Lost examines the gray areas of life in absurd conditions, not just the black-and-white areas.

I enjoyed this episode. Highlights include:

-Juliette getting slapped by Sun (that never gets old).

-Hurley showing up to support Sun, and saying "good" that no one else was coming, probably because he is tired of the lies they've had to spread in the future. Hurley is a stand-up guy.

-The surprise of Jin's FF turning out to be a FB (I should have picked up on the cellphone).

-Michael's reappearance- Perhaps he will be a key in the O6 getting off the island.

-Seeing Sun deliver a healthy baby off the island.

-Daniel and his inability to tell a lie.

-Juliette getting slapped by Sun (did I mention that one yet??)

What the heck was Regina doing?

And yes, where exactly DOES one find 324 Dead Bodies? That was an interesting scene. The captain "seems" forthright, and yet, probably isn't. I'm curious to see what happens with him.

I give this episode an 8.

Gave it a nine. I'm spoiler-free, but I'd heard inklings of Sun visiting someone's grave and, of course, we all knew Michael was the man on the boat -- but even so, very emotional episode that offered answers and raised new questions.

I gave it a 7. I´m kind of confused... is Jin one of the 06 or not?

Gave it an 8, though it probably deserves a 9 for the acting alone. It was a lot better than last week's that's for sure. I had a suspicion early on that Jin's was a FB rather than a FF, but it steadily slipped my mind so at the end I was a bit surprised.

I'm also not entirely convinced Jin dies, but is just still on the island, and they have to act for all intents and purposes that he is dead.

Was nice to have confirmation that the Oceanic 815 wreckage was staged, but they never really explained how that was figured out - unless of course the black box gave it away (why would that be on the freighter anyway?)

Is the crew indeed experiencing what Danielle referred to as "the sickness"? Serious case of cabin fever?

4 out of my 6 points go to Daniel Dae Kim's performance, which deserves a 10. I'm sorry I can't say the same about this episode.

They don't call it the A Team for nothing, y'all! Stuff actually happens when they're onscreen. I enjoyed several things, but what am I going to talk about with all of you for a whole week? Not much.

Jin's FB was so gimmicky and pointless. It was purely done for the A-HA! factor and kind of a waste of time.

I am going to wait on rating it. Initial impressions were bad but only because I was so sad at the end. A sad love story. I am going to wait until tomorrow because actually with the exception of the "yawn" Michael reveal being dumb and the freaky "woman overboard" scene, I think the writing and acting was far superior to last week. So I think I am going to re-watch and wait before judging. You got to admit it felt more like Lost this week than last.

I am going to wait on rating it. Initial impressions were bad but only because I was so sad at the end. A sad love story. I am going to wait until tomorrow because actually with the exception of the "yawn" Michael reveal being dumb and the freaky "woman overboard" scene, I think the writing and acting was far superior to last week. So I think I am going to re-watch and wait before judging. You got to admit it felt more like Lost this week than last.

MY Lost tends to be a bit more eventful than that so I definitely liked last week's better, but I'm glad you enjoyed tonight. ;)

I gave it an 8. I liked seeing Hurley in Korea to visit Sun. I hope that Jin is still alive, which I feel is a possibility after having read some of the threads here.

Man, what is with all the negativity on the 'lage recently? It makes me wonder if I belong here. Sigh.

I gave it a 10. I loved it, even though I'm simultaneously devastated. In general, I really like Sun and Jin episodes. (Of course, in general, I really like all LOST episodes...and other than "Eggtown" I think this season has been amazing).

Sun and Jin are some of my favorite characters, both really smart and caring. I thought Sun was perfectly right when she spoke with Farraday on coming to the conclusion that maybe they should get away from the Freighties...and Juliet was very convincing, so I know why Sun changed her mind. Daniel Dae Kim and Yunjim Kim knocked the acting out of the park, as per usual. I loved Bernard and Jin's exchange, and I think Jin understanding that Rose was sick really made him reevaluate his priorities. The island gave them a new chance at life, and it was touching that they forgave each other again. It was very sweet. I also love how Jin is rocking the English now...his exchange with Jack was hilarious, telling him that Sun and Sawyer both taught him English...but Sun was better. Hee. We remember the kind of phrases Sawyer teaches him!

Kate and Sun had some sweet friendship exchanges. I can't believe Juliet told about Sun's affair...surely there was another way? However, it is best that it is all out in the open now.

I thought from the beginning that Jin might be in flashback, but I hoped it was a double feint. At the end, I was like, oh my gosh, it isn't a flashback! He's getting back to her! Uh...and then it was a flashback. It was really sad; I've never been as devastated by a death on LOST before. And yes, I think he is dead. Sun's grief was too genuine.

The only hope is that Sun THINKS he is dead, but he isn't dead...which would be wonderful and mindblowing and awesome...but unlikely.

I loved the Sayid and "Kevin" exchange. Phew. I expected it, because even unspoiled, everyone has been expecting Michael to most likely show up on the boat. However, Harold Perrineau, Jr. is such a great actor...ditto Naveen Andrews...the looks they exchanged were awesome.

Regina! We didn't even get to know you before you jumped off the boat with a bunch of chains!! Yikes!

Well, I guess I'm babbling. But it was a great episode. I agree with the person who said it would be even better if Jin isn't really dead in the future.

The Fuselage is easily the most negativity filled "fan"Forum of all. I guess it might be because some people think they actually get attention if they criticize the show long and harsh enough. Lol.

Second best episode of the season(still far away from The Constant) so a 9. Masterfully written, acted and directed.

9.

I'm really surprised at the mixed reaction. I thought the story-telling was excellent. Even if you guessed or were spoiled on the FF/FB combo, I thought it was a superb way to contrast the Jin from early season 1 (especially the rant outside the toy store) with the evolved Jin (from the absolute forgiveness he showed Sun). I was sobbing at the end. I was assuming, and still am, that Jin really is dead, since I doubt Sun would take her baby to a cemetery to show her to her father, when that father is actually still alive on the island. And that made me sad. :cry:

As for the Michael reveal, I thought they handled it deftly given that most people were already guessing it, and TPTB knew that it would be guessed. Instead they go with a creepy reveal after introducing all the weirdness straight out of "The Shining", with the flickering flourescent lights, the blood stained wall, skittering roaches and the strange, furtive looks between Michael, Sayid and Desmond. Strange contrast with Jin/Sun story, but I thought effective nevertheless. And not making it the final episode reveal was a good call, too.
100%
The Fuselage is easily the most negativity filled "fan"Forum of all. I guess it might be because some people think they actually get attention if they criticize the show long and harsh enough. Lol.

Second best episode of the season(still far away from The Constant) so a 9. Masterfully written, acted and directed.
You think so? Then take a look at http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/. Now, those people can snark. I've stopped reading the Lost forums there, because they're more about looking for things to complain about and belittle. I generally find this site to be more about fans with honest criticisms ... mostly.

Im just really questioning the numbers here 9? 10???? I feel like im watching a poorly scored slam dunk contest.

Like the pilot episode, or walkabout, those are 9 -10 level, if anyone can look me straight in the eye and tell me this episode was even HALF as good as either of those (which it wasnt) and that would make this a 4-5 by that logic...

Karma: good things happen to those making the right choice. I hope it's true. If so, Jin's still alive. And Charlie too. If he's really dead... then this show is getting too depressing for me.

That is what is baffling me, Lune. I don't get it.

Charlie and Jin are the two character have most improved and redeemed themselves on the island. They ought to score rather highly in terms of karma. Yet instead they are killed prematurely while the likes of Ben and Locke, etc continue to thrive and are spared from death at every turn? Where is the karma?

Maybe Bernards just...wrong.

Locke was in no danger from Naomi. She wasn't armed, she wasn't attacking him. There was no evidence whatsoever that the boat people were about to kill everyone on the island. You only had Ben's word for it and we know how trustworthy he is. And you don't go on killing people based on visions.

Agreed. Even if Locke is right about the freighter folk I don't feel the end justifies the means - the means being the unprovoked murder of Naomi and the grossly inhumane imprisonment and torture of Miles.

It's not the same thing as Bernard and co. defending the camp against the Others. The Lostees didn't start killing Others until after the Others had launched a terror campaign against them - with sabotage, kidnapping, hanging, raft bombing, death threats, etc. The Lostees had a right and a need to defend themselves. Locke is immediately attacking the Freighties without them having harmed anyone and there being no solid evidence that they are going to harm anyone.

I gave it a nine. The emotion touched me deeply. The acting is phenomenal!!! Missing that one point for a ten because they had to mess up another couple! Grr. Great ep though. Maybe I'll give it the extra point for Des.:rolleyes:

I gave it an 8 -- ranked up there with The Economist (though neither was as good as The Constant).

I actually knew all the spoilers (right down to the scene of Jin buying the toy and having his cell phone broken) and I must say I may have enjoyed the ep more for it. Suddenly, those seemingly banal scenes about buying pandas took on extra weight if you knew that the writers were tricking you into thinking he was buying the toy in the present for Ji Yeon. I would have thought the toy store scenes were stupid if I didn't know the build up.

But otherwise, so emotional -- the Jin/Sun island interactions (esp their last heart-breaking scene about how Jin would never leave Sun :frown: ) mixed with the ending. And it moved along pretty well.

The freighter action was awesome, and super creepy -- I feel so scared for Sayid and Des right now -- you do not want to stay on that freighter. And a lot of mysteries unravelling: do we trust the captain? I'm going with no, he gave too much info too quickly, and Ben is becoming too obviously the man they're all after -- I think there is something more to it than just Ben -- I think he and Widmore had a past that was much more complicated.

And the look on Des's face when he learned Widmore was behind it -- priceless!

And the Michael reveal -- even knowing it was coming -- was done very well! I had chills when he came into focus down that hall!

Can't wait for next week -- but I'll be very sad at the mini-break before the rest of the season.

I gave it an "8". I was glad to see they finally brought Michael back after having Harold Perrineau listed in the credits for 6 previous episodes, but still being a no-show.

Well done. We now know for certain who all 6 of the "Oceanic Six" are, although it's sad to see that Jin dies. I like his character.

Gave it an 8. I liked the episode alot, was very saddened by the ending though. It's so terrible that after all they went through that Jin couldn't live to see his baby being born and growing up. I predicted that Sun would be one of the O6, since she was pregnant and i had a feeling the writers wouldn't want to kill her off.

Good episode, welcome back Mike.
Better than last weeks.





"Do I get one?"

I gave it a 9. I liked the payoff of the FB and FF.

The only thing I didn't like was they did not answer the question "Who are the members of the O6". Which I think the previews said they would.

terrible, super slow moving, WOW Michaels on the boat...who didnt guess that at this point?

Ditto.

I gave the episode a 4, mostly because I am tired of scoring episodes wittj a 3 (like with Eggtown and The Other Woman.) But I am having second thoughts. Maybe it better deserved a 2.

I'll probably enjoy it better on the second viewing, like I usually do when expectations aren't too high. And it did have some freighter scenes which are at least somewhwt compelling stort arc (although, like you said, the Michael "suprise" was not).

I love movies and TV shows with a twist at the end, but the one here, with it being Jin's flashback and Suns' flashforward, almost felt like a deceitful gimmick.
Im just really questioning the numbers here 9? 10???? I feel like im watching a poorly scored slam dunk contest.

Like the pilot episode, or walkabout, those are 9 -10 level, if anyone can look me straight in the eye and tell me this episode was even HALF as good as either of those (which it wasnt) and that would make this a 4-5 by that logic...

Ditto.

These polls have to be viewed with a Lost-fan bell curve. The fact that it got almost four times as many 9's as 10's means it was a dud. It's all in interpreting the data.

*yawn*

Great episode. Not every episode can be exciting as a season finale. Just because it isn't, doesnt mean its only half as good. It's all in the build-up.

I really enjoyed this one for a number of reasons (namely cuz I dont do spoilers or let the promos build up my expectations of whats to come 'next week'...I dont watch 'em).

I gave it an 8.

These polls have to be viewed with a Lost-fan bell curve. The fact that it got almost four times as many 9's as 10's means it was a dud.I don't think this fact holds up when you consider that Fire and Water curved exactly in the middle of scale while Stranger in a Strange Land was completely even from 1 to 10. When compared with the extreme highs and extreme lows, Ji Yeon is holding up pretty well so far.It's all in interpreting the data.When reading these scores, I think it's more of the case of people seeing what they want to see. Just like how those few who didn't like the season 3 finale decided to ignored it's high scores in all the polls and used the "Didn't Love it" thread post count to justify their dislike of the episode.

I gave it a 7. I felt the best bits of the episode were the freighter scenes. I've really enjoyed finding a few answers out from them. Loved how Sayid and Desmond played the scene with Michael. I'm not convinced Jin's really dead.

I gave it a 6.On Island story was too contrived. I say it again and again. I don't understand the logic behind Jack-Locke camping. Sun not wanting to get off the Island was pretty stupid. Kate was annoying as usual. Among non-questioning losties, Sun seemed super smart to ask questions to Dan but it was needed because of the storyline of "Sun suddenly wanting to migrate to Lockeland". I'm sure she will return to her "deactivated" state next week. I hope Jin is dead 100%. Otherwise dramatic nature of watching Jin after this episode will be killed for the sake of surprising the viewers Hollywood style.

Eh, I think it deserved atleast a 7 for it's weirdness alone. Who jumps off a boat wrapped in chains? Then none of your shipmates react? weird!

I must confess, I was just bawling at the end with Sun!

:undecide:

I gave this episode a 9. Loved the FF/FB scenario and thought the scene by the grave was extraordinary. I would have given it a ten if it had just one scene with Ben in it!

I gave it an 8, which includes bonus points for the amazing acting work by Yunjin and Daniel. Those two constantly pull out stellar, emotionally believable performances. The pairing of their off-island stories with the on-island conflict and forgiveness was simply beautiful.

The freighter story was also quite compelling and I was really happy to see Michael again. Sayid's reaction was priceless. Very intriguing information about Widmore, the fake wreckage and the captain's insistance that Ben behind it all -- is he really?

Glad to see A-teamers serving the storyline of B-teamers for a change, although Juliet's actions could have gone very, very wrong. I don't require all my episodes to be filled with mythology-related action - this was important character development for the Kwons. Nice Bernard cameo. :biggrin:

I liked it. 9.

That freighter starts to look like a ghost-ship, or something from a Stephen King novel. On the bright side, if they are the enemy, they are on a real downhill :D

Even if Michael on the ship wasn't a real surprise, it will be to learn how exactly he got there. Also, I love the dymanics of the Desmond-Sayid duo.

The FB/FF was a bit confusing for me, but the drama of the couple was well written.
I really hate it if Jin is dead. Darn TPTB, they always do this. When a character is finally turning into the best version og himself, he dies. Sheesh! :ranting: Doesn't it sound like the island is some kind of purgatory, and when they resolve their issues, they must go? And they said it wasn't that.

I gave the episode a 7. There was a lot I liked (I LUURVE Bernard and am happy whenever I see him) . . . but I was really annoyed by the mixing up of a Sun flashforward and a Jin flashback. I know that the "rules" for flashforwards and flashbacks are whatever TPTB say they are, but it seemed like cheating. They could have misdirected us with just Sun calling out for Jin as she was giving birth. The Jin flashback served no purpose other than the misdirection, because we already know he was a violent jerk totally devoted to doing Paik's bidding.

Juliet's theory that leaving the island saves the life of the pregnant woman has now been proven correct. Given the many hints we now have that Ben is (or at least has been) free to come and go from the island, the pregnancy = death storyline seems increasingly ridiculous, no matter what the science-fictional explanation (e.g., the island doesn't "want" humans to reproduce there).

I gave it a 4, but perhaps it should get +3 for Sun's GREAT acting. She is so underused on this show, and is by far the best actress on Lost.(and the most beautiful, IMO.)

I didn't have to read the subtitles to totally understand what see was saying...She is absolutely wonderful!! Juliet last week was super as well, but Sun really takes them all to acting school.

Everyone has known for weeks that Micheal was going to be on the boat, so that was zero surprise. Thanks to IMBd, and podcats.

The reveal of the Captain to be a new person was a let-down to many that were guessing who it would be all week, Micheal, Benry2.0? All wrong. Ha Ha.

Everyone is now talking about what he said re. "Benry is who staged the fake crash." Don't forget the 'note' slipped thru the door: "don't trust the captain". The Captain was lying, of course.

The cheating use of Jin and Sun's FB and FF's mushed together was awful, and felt like a cheap soap opera at the end. I didn't watch for clues like the old cellphone, the "this is a FB" sounds, the Year of the Dragon, etc. From reading the reviews here, the women seemed to really love being emotionally manipulated like that.

The only eye-opener was the date on Jin's grave 9-22-04, the date of the crash. So very it's very unlikely that he came home alive as one of the O-6. More likely, he was said to be an O-8'er that died on Island, to explain Sun getting preggers by him after the crash happened.

So I guess that means Aaron is indeed one of the O-6 after all??

Most Important Plot Point: Sun's delivery now brackets the arrival of the O-6. She said she was 2 months along last night. Juliet says she has to escape Island within 3 weeks. Then we FF to 9 months when she has the baby. We do not know how long it may take to get home after getting off Island (the freighter is 'broken')
So we have seven-month max. window that negates all the talk of them arriving YEARS after the crash.

I'd have to believe that Jin really is dead.(and not alive back on Island) Sun's tears at the grave was the only thing believable about this contrived episode.

I gave it an 8 because I love watching Sun and Jin, and the scenes on the freighter were pretty informative. Where DOES one get 324 dead bodies, anyway? :23:

But I had to take off points for the FB/FF combination. It sounded like a good idea when I heard about it, but it really didn't work well (and I wasn't aware this would be the ep in which we would see it). Sun's FF made sense, but I kept waiting for something in Jin's to represent what was happening on the Island. Whether his was a FF or FB, I expected to see him doing something really bad considering the conversations that were occurring on the island about karma. I expected him to pull out a gun instead of a blue ribbon. Instead we see him running an innocuous errand for Mr. Paik.

And Sun's request that they call Jin - that trick was already used in Jack's FF when he told the doctor to go and see if Jack's father was as drunk as he was - the "I'm out of it so I'll mention someone to fool the audience into thinking this is a FB" trick. :71: It would have been more believable if Sun had simply called out his name during childbirth, or had looked more drugged out.

A fellow LOST friend of mine actually called me up because she was confused about the whole situation, and she never gets confused. Based on a few of the comments it seems like she wasn't the only one.

Something else she NEVER does though that she did with this episode - CRY. That is how moving that last scene was - I was so sorry to see it though. Is that what you get for turning your life around? Is that really how karma works? "Great job getting yourself on the right track. Now you have to die for all the bad choices you made." Not the message I was hoping to get from LOST.




When a character is finally turning into the best version og himself, he dies. Sheesh! :ranting: Doesn't it sound like the island is some kind of purgatory, and when they resolve their issues, they must go? And they said it wasn't that.My point exactly. :frown:

Well I guess this makes me a "negative" but I gave it a 5...sorta neutral. I was happy for Sun to have her baby but disconcerted by Jin's departure. I was curious why the other Oceanic members didn't come to the funeral. Perhaps this is at the time of Kate's trial. Then I realised that it wasn't a funeral it was Jin getting to meet his daughter.

9. Jin and Sun are my favourite characters. I was excited for this epi, and not disappointed.
It saddens me slightly that their complete dialogue from epis 1-6 (and probably 8+) will not total what they had here. I think, like many others, that they are underutilized considering their skill.
I'm in the 'no-more-death' camp. I hope Jin is not dead. Maybe blackmailed into serving Ben (a la Sayid), considering his history in strong-arming... But that is only hope...

I gave it a 9. I liked the payoff of the FB and FF.

The only thing I didn't like was they did not answer the question "Who are the members of the O6". Which I think the previews said they would.All 6 have been revealed already through FFs:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin

is it just me or are the episodes this season moving slower. There used to be so much in each show...now it's like weeks to get same feeling as just one ep from season 1

I would give it an 8. I really liked the interwoven flashbacks and flash forwards. I thought it was better than the previous episode.

10 - The first 10 I handed out. Well written. Beautifully acted. Poignant. Totally bit on the parallel flash forward & flashback. Loved the scene with the Captain. Like the reintroduction of Michael his alignment with Ben is makes me scared for Sayid. Bernard was great, Juliet do I love her? do I hate her? all within minutes. Hurley is a Rock. Poor Jin. He finally gets out from Paik's shadow, reconnects with the love of his life and is doomed. Very sad. You know he will die well. Jin is a Warrior. Jin is Dead long live Jin.

The only reason I gave it a two instead of a one is because Dan had a few lines.

I gave the episode an 8. I was completely fooled into believing that Jin's was a FF and not a FB, so the ending was a surprised to me. I enjoyed the Desmond and Sayid scenes. I was surprised by how frank the Captain was. The only reason I didn't rate it higher is the ending was too sad.

Gave it a 5. Didn't hate it but just thought it was too contrived and predictable. A waste of good time that could have been spent moving the story along.

I gave it a 9 because it was slightly better (as far as questions raised are concerned) than eggtown that I rated 8 and because I want to keep the 10-spot clean for any other episode that may totally blow my mind later on.

I usually don't like Jin/Sun episodes that much but this one was really great. It was really poignant and surprising. I totally didn't see the FB/FF combination coming, it was the first time I was unspoiled for an episode and it paid off! I thought it was needed for me to enjoy the twist and I was right. I missed a few surprising twists this season so I'm glad I could be fooled with that one. Note to self: do not read spoilers anymore. And the scene at the gravestone was so sad...
Also the episode had a little of everything I like: some answers, more questions, romance, emotional scenes. Loved it.

I gave it a 7. The "big reveal" of Michael on the boat was not much of a surprise. Sun's actions didn't make a lot of sense ... wanting to run to Locke, etc. Sun and Juliette seemed to make up pretty quickly despite Juliette's betrayal. Likewise Sun and Jin. Jin was waaay too eager to forgive, without even hearing what Sun had to say. Everything was just a little too compact, too convenient for the writers.

Jin was waaay too eager to forgive, without even hearing what Sun had to say. Everything was just a little too compact, too convenient for the writers.

It says more about Jin's character than about the writers, imo. He's that kind of guy who would easily forgive out the the love in his heart. I like that in him; makes him very endearing.

a well below par episode, very bad

4/10

All 6 have been revealed already through FFs:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin

Capmaster,I just love your avatar!!!!!! :grin:

I gave it a 7 but mainly because of the freighter scenes! Otherwise, I would have said a "5". I didn't particularly like the FB/FF combo although it did totally catch me off guard.
I admit though, I was crying big time at the end.

I don't see how Jin can be an O6 because on the gravestone,it says he died on 9/22/04. But I do not think he is dead. He is alive back on the Island. I can see him letting Sun go on the first group to leave the Island with both thinking that the heliocopter will be back to get more of them including Jin but something happens and no one comes back for the rest. Sun's tears at the "gravesite" are bec/ she missses him so much as she said. Plus, she just had his little baby girl...she' s very emotional now. Awwwww...I 'm gonna cry again.

I think Aaron is supposed to be an O6 and he is also seen in a flashforward.

9. Sure like the idea that maybe Jin is NOT dead....but seems he's had a target on his back since Season 2.....

10 ._
More cool characters: the suicide girl, the captain. Then michael kevin & Bernard : )
Bernard saying "we are the good guys"
Flashback-foward
Ben responsable of the plane fake??

7 - Jin being told about the affair was a good, unexpected moment. Michael was expected but well done nevertheless. The acting was terrific and there were some moving and quite beautiful moments.

The overall pacing was overweight and plodding and it felt like a good portion could have been said in far less time. The Jin flashback was such a waste of time. OK, it was fun to think that they both made it off the island but the second Jin's mobile was revealed alarm bells went off in my head and from there on in it felt like waiting to be told the obvious.

I'm gonna say a 6. It was so so,imo. Although, I think the way the Freighter crew is slowly going bonkers is intriquing. Wonder if it is because they are so close to the EMP radiating from the Island? Or if it is because they went through some sort of wormhole?

Wasn't impressed. Gave it 6.

It's just too easy to 2nd guess LOST now. Whole thing reeked of, "Sun gets away from the Island and has a baby girl, but Jin dies. Now, how can we (1) make people care that Jin is dead - or as Ben might put it, make people, 'emotionally invested' in Jin - (2) Hide the fact that Jin is dead until the end of the episode, and (3) generate another 'mystery' - how did Jin die, or even is he really dead?"

It's been 3 days since Desmond and Sayid left the Island?! WTF?!!!! Where did all that time go?

I know the trip to The Tempest took an overnight trip, and the same time to get back, and people have to get some sleep. But, crickey, has everyone else just been sitting around playing paper-scissors-stone?

Miles' jaw must be really aching by now...
100%
The Fuselage is easily the most negativity filled "fan"Forum of all. I guess it might be because some people think they actually get attention if they criticize the show long and harsh enough. Lol.
"Negatively filled"? You are kidding, aren't you? Look at those poll ratings. I would call this forum Pollyanna-ish!
100%
It's not the same thing as Bernard and co. defending the camp against the Others.There's also the fact that, if The Others hadn't raided the beach camp to try and kidnap pregnant women, they wouldn't have got blowed up!

4/5

well written, especially with the flash forward/back twist and the on-freighter stuff. I can't wait until next week.

I actually LOVED this episode. The FF/FB really threw me for a loop. Very well done. And the cemetery scene had me crying like a baby! Now, I have even more questions. Did Jin really die? And if so, when & where? Was it on the island? Was it after he returned home? Is he considered one of the O6? And so on, and so on.

Brilliant episode, I gave it a 10.

"Negatively filled"? You are kidding, aren't you? Look at those poll ratings. I would call this forum Pollyanna-ish!

I actually agree with Revo. The poll results are fine, but the comment sections on the fuse are very negative. I was talking about this the other day with a friend and I told him that the fandom was so bitter that they never have anything good to say about anything. :undecide:

Anyway, I really loved this episode and I gave it a 10. It brought me back to season one. I actually felt like I was watching an episode from season one while it was being broadcast. It had real human emotion that has been lacking in the majority of episodes as of late. Plus the interactions between Desmond and Sayid moved the plot forward. Imo, it's been awhile since an episode felt heartwarming, had a little bit of romance and actually showcased the mythology that sometimes takes a back seat. :)

Really good episode. Loved the FB and FF. My only question is, so is Aaron considered part of the Oceanic 6? Because last week's teaser said that the rest of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed. Maybe we'll find out soon.

Good episode though!!

WOW! I was clueless until the end! great episode, I gave it an 8

Yunjin Kim's acting was outstanding, as always.

I was sooo impressed with this episode. I have been obsessed with discussing it since it aired. I think it was really cleverly written and very touching. This is one more awesome episode in an already amazing season. :)

I actually agree with Revo. The poll results are fine, but the comment sections on the fuse are very negative. I was talking about this the other day with a friend and I told him that the fandom was so bitter that they never have anything good to say about anything. :undecide:

Anyway, I really loved this episode and I gave it a 10. It brought me back to season one. I actually felt like I was watching an episode from season one while it was being broadcast. It had real human emotion that has been lacking in the majority of episodes as of late. Plus the interactions between Desmond and Sayid moved the plot forward. Imo, it's been awhile since an episode felt heartwarming, had a little bit of romance and actually showcased the mythology that sometimes takes a back seat. :)

What she said.

I actually agree with Revo. The poll results are fine, but the comment sections on the fuse are very negative. I was talking about this the other day with a friend and I told him that the fandom was so bitter that they never have anything good to say about anything. :undecide:

Well, people who don't like LOST probably won't watch it, let alone comment on a forum.

There are always people who think they can make themselves look clever by finding faults (that's why there are so many critics), but in an environment like this they will be outnumbered by people who like, and want to like, what they are watching. So by Pollyanna-ish, I mean blind to the show's faults.

I like the original Star Trek. But, IMO, about a 3rd of those episodes were good, a 3rd were OK, and a 3rd were just rubbish. If I couldn't accept that some proportion of those episodes were poor, or some aspects of them were badly done, I'd be no kind of judge, would I?

With any luck, LOST has already sunk to it's "0" and hasn't yet reached it's "10". But people who can't accept it's lows, and dismiss criticism as 'negativity', I don't think those people are competent judges of the shows highs either.

Well, people who don't like LOST probably won't watch it, let alone comment on a forum.

There are always people who think they can make themselves look clever by finding faults (that's why there are so many critics), but in an environment like this they will be outnumbered by people who like, and want to like, what they are watching. So by Pollyanna-ish, I mean blind to the show's faults.

I like the original Star Trek. But, IMO, about a 3rd of those episodes were good, a 3rd were OK, and a 3rd were just rubbish. If I couldn't accept that some proportion of those episodes were poor, or some aspects of them were badly done, I'd be no kind of judge, would I?

With any luck, LOST has already sunk to it's "0" and hasn't yet reached it's "10". But people who can't accept it's lows, and dismiss criticism as 'negativity', I don't think those people are competent judges of the shows highs either.

Im just really questioning the numbers here 9? 10???? I feel like im watching a poorly scored slam dunk contest.

Like the pilot episode, or walkabout, those are 9 -10 level, if anyone can look me straight in the eye and tell me this episode was even HALF as good as either of those (which it wasnt) and that would make this a 4-5 by that logic...


I fully agree with these posters. I keep 9's and 10's for the truly exceptional episodes of Lost, and very low scores for the stinkers.
This season I'd give TBOTE 9, Confirmed Dead 8, The Economist 7, Eggtown 0, The Constant 10 and TOW 3.

I give this a 6.

Loved all of the freighter story. Michael's return was no shock, but done quite well. Regina's upside-down book and suicide, the blood & cockroaches, the banging - creepy as nine dogs. Excellent stuff.

The on-island story was a bit unsatisying; I'm somewhat concerned by the increasing use of storylines that get resolved by the end of the episode. However, it's good to see the B-list get some decent screentime.

Flashback/flashforward 'gotcha' was a little cheap, but not offensively-so. Jin's flashback had some really funny moments, and Sun's flashforward moved certain aspects of the story/mystery along.

Overall, a decent enough episode, though not one I'll watch over and over (maybe the freighter bits actually :biggrin:)

I thought the freighter bits were actually boring.

solid 9 its was good all around im ready for thursday getting ready to be lost for 5 weeks once it breaks but great episode :cool:

And you don't go on killing people based on visions. :rolleyes:

*nods head* Or cajole them into climbing into a plane perched precariously in a tree because the island demanded the sacrifice.

I adored Bernard in the boat scene, just adore him in general though we don't see him often enough. Which made me askeered for his survival, because outside of Jack and Hurley, the characters I adore don't fare too well (Boone, Shannon, Ecko, Charlie...)

I've always enjoyed Sun and Jin's backstory, and I was bawling at the end even though I don't think Jin is really dead. I think this qualifies as a good character driven eppy, and I'm glad we don't have all plot heavy episodes even though the flashback dynamic changed.

Well, people who don't like LOST probably won't watch it, let alone comment on a forum.

There are always people who think they can make themselves look clever by finding faults (that's why there are so many critics), but in an environment like this they will be outnumbered by people who like, and want to like, what they are watching. So by Pollyanna-ish, I mean blind to the show's faults.

I like the original Star Trek. But, IMO, about a 3rd of those episodes were good, a 3rd were OK, and a 3rd were just rubbish. If I couldn't accept that some proportion of those episodes were poor, or some aspects of them were badly done, I'd be no kind of judge, would I?

With any luck, LOST has already sunk to it's "0" and hasn't yet reached it's "10". But people who can't accept it's lows, and dismiss criticism as 'negativity', I don't think those people are competent judges of the shows highs either.

Yeah, but people that are constantly complaining about the show really drag this forum down. If you can't say anything decent about the show every once in awhile and are always belittling the writers, the plot, the characters or even the actors, then why say anything at all? You claim that those that believe the show is stellar aren't good critics and are incompetent to judge since they aren't accepting of the shows lows. I fully disagree with that. How do you know they can't accept the shows lows? Just because people don't publicly admit to all of the shows faults, doesn't mean that they agreed with everything that was shown to them. Maybe however, instead of complaining about the faults, they would rather concentrate on the positive aspects. :) Plus I think (as a critic) it would be wrong to tell others that they are incompetent to judge just because they get extreme enjoyment out of the show. :undecide: That's actually the worst kind of criticism to spew imo. :undecide:

Yeah, but people that are constantly complaining about the show really drag this forum down. If you can't say anything decent about the show every once in awhile and are always belittling the writers, the plot, the characters or even the actors, then why say anything at all? You claim that those that believe the show is stellar aren't good critics and are incompetent to judge since they aren't accepting of the shows lows. I fully disagree with that. How do you know they can't accept the shows lows? Just because people don't publicly admit to all of the shows faults, doesn't mean that they agreed with everything that was shown to them. Maybe however, instead of complaining about the faults, they would rather concentrate on the positive aspects. :) Plus I think (as a critic) it would be wrong to tell others that they are incompetent to judge just because they get extreme enjoyment out of the show. :undecide: That's actually the worst kind of criticism to spew imo. :undecide:You're right. People with nothing good to say about LOST are just as bad as people with nothing bad to say.

But let's go back to Revo's original comment about The Fuselage being, "Negatively filled".

Just as there are some people who only want to find fault with LOST, there are some people who only want to admire it. In my opinion this forum (and other LOST forums) has too much of the latter, and not enough of the former, to represent a balanced, critical assessment. And note that 'criticism' doesn't necessarily mean fault-finding.

My personal evaluation is that people who express disappointment with LOST have a more balanced critical appraisal than the people who think everything about LOST is wonderful. Revo's opinion would seem to be the other way round.

The cheapest response to unflattering commentary is always, "Well, if you don't like LOST, why don't you stop watching it?" To which I always answer, "Well if you don't like 'negative' commentary, why don't you stop reading it?" Never mind responding to it!

Let's face it, LOST's ratings have been decreasing since the start of season 2. I'm pretty sure that viewer numbers reached a low point with Ji Yeong. That's either a sign of a decline in the storytelling, or a sign that the story is losing the attention of people who can't appreciate a brilliant story.

I don't think LOST was ever pitched at the largest possible (lowest-common-denominator) audience; I think it was always intended to attract viewers by virtue of it's quality. That quality has been at best diluted, and at worst succumbed to the tendency for everything on television to turn into the same old soap opera.

On the bright side though, at some point sooner or later, the producers/writers are going to have to get the story back on track instead of dragging it out with one contrived twist/cliffhanger/subplot/commercialbreak after another. When that happens, LOST will be back to the best it can be, instead of just stretching the idea out for as much product as possible.

In my opinion.

I feel I have to interject here that Revo's comment was not out of the blue, but was responding to my very detailed post about this very episode directly before Revo's post which began with:

Man, what is with all the negativity on the 'lage recently? It makes me wonder if I belong here. Sigh.

I gave it a 10. I loved it, even though I'm simultaneously devastated. In general, I really like Sun and Jin episodes. (Of course, in general, I really like all LOST episodes...and other than "Eggtown" I think this season has been amazing).


Revo was responding to my very real feeling that I was having a day where I was really seriously questioning whether I belonged here due to so much negativity on the forum. I guess people have every right to think I'm a Pollyanna because I literally enjoy every episode, but I don't think that means I am without critical faculties or something. I think LOST is in a different league than all other TV shows I watch, and I don't think I have ever come across an episode that was lower than a 5 or 6, but if I saw one, I would rate it so. I take these ratings very seriously and rated "Eggtown" much lower than the rest of the season, which I have rated as mostly 9s or 10s, with one or two 8s.

I think declining ratings is a topic for another thread, although I can honestly say that everyone I know who no longer watches anymore did so for things outside the writing (change in time/day, long hiatuses and not knowing when it was restarting and getting behind). Also, it is a difficult show to get started on late unless you rent/buy/borrow the DVDs.

Anyway, back on top of this thread, I loved this episode. Obviously, some viewer's mileage differs, but I think what discourages me is what is mentioned by other posters above--no one seems to go in detail to praise or mention what they liked about shows, only what they hated...which makes for interesting reading on these threads, because if you take into account everything, every character, plotline, and thing is hated. Time travel is hated. Non-weird SF episodes are hated. Character episodes are hated. Mythology episodes that abandon characters are hated. Providing answers that are too predictable are hated. Surprises are hated. Not surprising us is hated. You get the thrust of my point...:undecide:

Anyway, I guess I'll sign out with another Pollyanna comment about how much I loved this episode, and a quick defense of Sun...someone commented that she was acting out of character by questioning Jack, but Sun has always been a character who (if she is a position to know that something is happening) has always asked the smart and tough questions...which is one of the reasons I love her. :)

Devara,

There's a "Loved It" thread and a "Didn't Love It" thread.
There isn't a "Hated It" thread and a "Didn't Hate It" thread.

What does that tell you?

FWIW, LOST is full of plotholes and continually resorting to cheap tricks to keep it's mysteries going. What's wrong with thinking that it could do better than that?



That said, I agree with you about Sun at least. Whatever she does, she does it with a purpose; she doesn't do it because she hasn't got a clue what else to do. I'd also add that a lot of what she does stems from her being a scheming and devious meanie who operates by presenting an image of unimpeachable saintliness. Conversely, Sawyer is a nice guy who got into the rut of behaving like a bad guy (a tart with a heart). This is convincing character conflict and ambiguity, like nature vs nurture. But most of the other characters, they're a lot like Othello - not one thing or the other, neither of which makes any sense if you think about it for 5 minutes!

Devara,
There's a "Loved It" thread and a "Didn't Love It" thread.
There isn't a "Hated It" thread and a "Didn't Hate It" thread.

What does that tell you?


It tells me that some people love episodes and some people hate episodes...whatever they call it (and I appreciate the mods or whoever makes the decision to call it "Didn't Love It"), the "Didn't Love It" thread is just a nice way for people to say they disliked an episode. Anyway, since this isn't the "Didn't Love It" thread, I guess I was expecting it to be full of in-depth commentary of both positive and negative things about each episode, especially considering the current state of the rating table. :)

Anyway, I'm not likely going to post anymore on this thread since I think I have said my piece on the episode in general...I just didn't want Revo to get blamed for responding to an innocent comment I made. I must respectfully bow out since obviously I am not going to change other people's opinions to coincide with my own, nor would desire to do so. :)

It tells me that some people love episodes and some people hate episodes...
Well, it tells me that that the forum expects people to love each episode or come up with a convincing reason why they didn't love each one. While that reflects the fact that only people who are interested in LOST (or as Ben might say, 'emotionally/psychologically invested' in it) will be expressing opinions here, it's hardly objective.

And while you can't really complain about that (imagine a TV or radio station telling it's audience that the next half hour is going to be boring so they'd be better off changing channels), In My Opinion, even such a biased background ought to be able to tolerate dissent.

You and Revo might say there's too much dissent from the "Loved It" point of view, and too much unjustified dissent. My opinion is that, given the actual quality of the episodes, there's too much blinkered love and not enough dissent. And I'd back that up by saying the dissent is justified by the decline in audience figures. That is to say, one episode after another, there are fewer and fewer people who "Loved It".

Perhaps this discussion would be best taken away from a particular Ji Yeong thread, and put in a general Critical Appraisal thread.

Only there isn't a general Critical Appraisal thread. QED?

I just rewatched it. Then I rated it an 8. Took all week to decide as my first impressions were bad, but because it was so sad. It is a very poignant episode. Jin and Sun deserve an Emmy Excellent. "Jin is Alive!"

The full version of my take on Ji Yeon can be found on the “Didn’t Love It” thread, page 6, #51.

I give this episode a 2, one notch above The Other Woman (which I gave a 1) and two notches above Eggtown (which I would have given a 0, if possible).

This episode was so stupid and boring (AGAIN), I cannot believe it is coming from the same creative team that sucked me into this series. This show now belongs on ABC’s daytime “drama” lineup, as it is much more of a soap than the cool sci-fi mystery that sucked me in during S1 (and I’m not even a real sci-fi fan). Is it possible that the creative team of LOST lost a bet with their counterparts of General Hospital and they swapped shows for this season?

Terrible episode. I guess the only positive to take away from this latest disaster is that TPTB have now lowered the bar to such a level that even a mediocre episode will seem fantastic. What a disappointing season.

It was good not brilliant but good hated the ending......made me sad

This was the episode I waited so long for..... and it didn't disappoint.
Although I would certainly have enjoyed it more, had I not read anything about the episode beforehand.
I love the Korean couple and their backstory. Jin was really starting to grow on me this episode. He is so forgiving! Juliet blurting out about the affair....best scene ever! :lol

Excellent acting by Yunjin Kim....especially at the graveyard scene. And oh yeah....Ji Yeon is soo adorable!

9/10 (Would've been 10/10 had I not read spoilers)

Jin and Sun made this episode quite interesting, and it was also nice to see Michael again. 7/10.

After waiting 4 weeks for this episode, I was a little disappointed. It was slow and didn't keep my attention, it was lacking the usual *oomph* that Lost epi's have.