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I thought it was pretty meh, overall.

Daniel Rocked it!
As did Sayid's campy "I can fix it" in the comm room.

Other than that, nothing to write home about.

As did Sayid's campy "I can fix it" in the comm room.
He said, "I'll need a minute."

We're talking about The Constant...let's go to Randy first...Randy?

Randy: Yo Dawg, wasup! I dunno dawg, it wasn't the best performance. I mean, like, if it was The Outer Limits or somethin...but no...wasn't happening for me tonight, it was ahrite, but not your best. I dunno. Paula?

Paula: Well, first off...let me say....you know I love you, and Damon, you look wonderful in that dress tonight, but it wasn't your best. But I still love you.

Simon: If I'm being honest, it was a rather "jump the shark" moment, now wasn't it. I mean, pointing a heat lamp at a rat....

Paula: Eloise.

Simon: Whatever. The point is, I felt like I was watching a karaoke version of the Twilight Zone or something. No..really. If I'm being honest.

Did anyone find the whole idea of a constant corny? I wonder if I truly believe in myself and I truly love myself and I click my heals together three times and say there's no place like 2004, there's no place like 2004 if that would work as well.

The constant was the good part. Everything else was the corny part. IMO.

We're talking about The Constant...let's go to Randy first...Randy?

Randy: Yo Dawg, wasup! I dunno dawg, it wasn't the best performance. I mean, like, if it was The Outer Limits or somethin...but no...wasn't happening for me tonight, it was ahrite, but not your best. I dunno. Paula?

Paula: Well, first off...let me say....you know I love you, and Damon, you look wonderful in that dress tonight, but it wasn't your best. But I still love you.

Simon: If I'm being honest, it was a rather "jump the shark" moment, now wasn't it. I mean, pointing a heat lamp at a rat....

Paula: Eloise.

Simon: Whatever. The point is, I felt like I was watching a karaoke version of the Twilight Zone or something. No..really. If I'm being honest.
BRILLIANT!!!

To me, the episode was just okay. Don't get me wrong -- the acting and writing were superb (both Henry Ian Cusick and Jeremy Davies rocked), but all it left me with was a great big "so what?"

In addition, I grew a bit irritated because I could sense the writers increasing the dramatic tension and drawing out the suspense by not having Faraday answer any of Jack's questions about what was going on. In my opinion, Jack was out of character by not demanding answers as to what was happening, and Faraday was being inexplicably vague.

Finally, if what was happening to Desmond and Minkowski ends up being the sickness, I will be disappointed -- why would someone from Danielle's team lose an arm to that?

I think the writers saw the new movie Jumper and got too much into it! I mean yes, time travel ties a lot of things in, the sickness...blah blah blah yes - it ties it together

IDK - I feel that the time travel thing is too easy of an explanation. It just doesn't excite me at all, or my watching partners.

Doesn't seem like this time travel thing will make any sense

Personally, I thought the time travel thing was a total cop-out. I believe it was said waaaaay back, like first season or something, that this could all be explained through science, not paranormal stuff. Of course, time travel isn't paranormal, and physics defnitely is science, but come on. Time travel, as far as I know, is pretty much make believe at this point. I feel like it's getting a bit too far-fetched, and now that that door has been opened we can probably expect a lot of other things to be "explained" in such a manner. All in all, I was disappointed.

dessssssmonddddddddddd's gonna dieeeeeeeee
:sadwalk:

also minkowski. instead of [dreamily]"I was just on a ferris wheeeeel" he could have said "It was 1987! I was on a ferris wheel! OMG!" I just thought he should have been different. ohwait he was sedated. O-K

I hated this episode. Lost great story line just got blown up by this episode and the totally non-sensed time traveling theory.

I'm so desapointed....

Yeah I am really surprised at the reaction, most people seem really happy, which is good for them of course. But I don't like this direction, it seems like it's going to be a pretty ridiculous path to follow, but I am still interested to know what happens

Did anyone find the whole idea of a constant corny? I wonder if I truly believe in myself and I truly love myself and I click my heals together three times and say there's no place like 2004, there's no place like 2004 if that would work as well.
I agree, that was weak. A flimsy (at best), very convenient piece of non-science.

That sound you here is the splash of the shark hitting the water.

Finally, if what was happening to Desmond and Minkowski ends up being the sickness, I will be disappointed -- why would someone from Danielle's team lose an arm to that?

No one said the sickness caused Montand to lose his arm. Danielle said: "This is where Montand lost his arm" as they enter the Dark Territory. That is all she has said on the topic. Maybe there is an arm eating monster on the island who gobbled up both Montand's and Candle's arms. :laugh:

Maybe the arm time-travelled, realised it was going to be gobbled up, and in the present timeline ripped itself off and wandered off?

Would explain Rousseau thinking her teammates were crazy 'Mah arm! Mah arm just went into the jungle and' *Blam*

Although truth be told, it could explain why Rousseau thought her teammates crazy, while the others weren't the carrier.

Personally, I thought the time travel thing was a total cop-out. I believe it was said waaaaay back, like first season or something, that this could all be explained through science, not paranormal stuff. Of course, time travel isn't paranormal, and physics defnitely is science, but come on. Time travel, as far as I know, is pretty much make believe at this point. I feel like it's getting a bit too far-fetched, and now that that door has been opened we can probably expect a lot of other things to be "explained" in such a manner. All in all, I was disappointed.

You just said precisely what I have been feeling about this episode since I saw it. I have NEVER seen an episode of Lost that I didn't really love, and I NEVER thought I'd ever be posting anything to the "Didn't Love It" thread. That is, until now. I just can't believe it!

So yeah, I was hoping that Lost would not be a Sci-Fi Thriller, but would rather be more like a CSI Hard Science Mystery. But now it turns out that Lost is indeed Science Fiction. So now what are we to expect? I feel like all the work we've done in trying to explain the mysteries of Lost is all for naught - because if it's all based on voodoo science, TPTB can thrown anything they want into the plotline and just explain it away by making up some kind of wacky theory about it, instead of having it be based solidly on scientific fact.

I am so sad and so dissappointed about this episode. It is very depressing to me. Thanks for hearing me out... And again, the fact that I'm even writing a letter to the "Didn't Love It" thread is extremely depressing to me, too. :undecide:

So yeah, I was hoping that Lost would not be a Sci-Fi Thriller, but would rather be more like a CSI Hard Science Mystery. But now it turns out that Lost is indeed Science Fiction. So now what are we to expect? I feel like all the work we've done in trying to explain the mysteries of Lost is all for naught - because if it's all based on voodoo science, TPTB can thrown anything they want into the plotline and just explain it away by making up some kind of wacky theory about it, instead of having it be based solidly on scientific fact. This was exactly my reaction when I first saw Flashes Before Your Eyes! The second Hawking showed up the show was thrust into the realm of the supernatural. It was that episode that made me first seek out online forums to see if others shared my disappointment.

And like FBYE, The Constant seems to be one of the most well-received episodes ever...

This was exactly my reaction when I first saw Flashes Before Your Eyes! The second Hawking showed up the show was thrust into the realm of the supernatural. It was that episode that made me first seek out online forums to see if others shared my disappointment.

And like FBYE, The Constant seems to be one of the most well-received episodes ever...

I liked FBYE because I thought that it was somewhat believable that Desmond could have had some kind of bizarre experience due to his having had his clothes blown off his body during the Swan's destruction. But yeah, looking back on it - I can definitely (sadly) see your point, BF.

The part where Daniel takes Desmond up to his room and begins his rat experiment seemed pretty silly to me. I kept wondering if this was a joke or something. The word that comes to mind is farcical.

The part where Daniel takes Desmond up to his room and begins his rat experiment seemed pretty silly to me. I kept wondering if this was a joke or something. The word that comes to mind is farcical.

I'm still up in the air on this one since I haven't watched it twice, but I am not really digging the problems that time travel is posing. I can see how that scene might be farcical, but after the trial in Eggtown, I'd say that it's not the bottom of the barrel.

The show has been hinting more and more that it is science fiction. Now, with people's minds wandering through time LOST has confirmed that it is indeed science fiction. I still like the characters and writing, but the basic story of the flight 815 survivors confronting the island's mysteries as they try to get off it has fallen flat. Knowing that anything might be explained by science fiction makes it less interesting.
Don't get me wrong. I like some well done sci fi. I really enjoy "Supernatural". But don't string me along for 4 years making me think that there is a scientific explanation for everything, then pull the rug out from under me.

I'm still up in the air on this one since I haven't watched it twice, but I am not really digging the problems that time travel is posing. I can see how that scene might be farcical, but after the trial in Eggtown, I'd say that it's not the bottom of the barrel.

The reason it seemed farcical is because the scene looked like it came straight out of a B movie, adapted from an obscure 18th century sci/fi novel. The idea that you can make a rat travel to the future by exposing it to radiation just seems silly and outdated. It seems far removed from reality; there is no way something like that can be done in real life. It lacks credibility and that's why it seemed so...silly.

The idea that you can make a rat travel to the future by exposing it to radiation just seems silly and outdated. It seems far removed from reality; there is no way something like that can be done in real life.

No, no, no. You forgot that he put the thingie to number 11. That's science

The reason it seemed farcical is because the scene looked like it came straight out of a B movie, adapted from an obscure 18th century sci/fi novel. The idea that you can make a rat travel to the future by exposing it to radiation just seems silly and outdated. It seems far removed from reality; there is no way something like that can be done in real life. It lacks credibility and that's why it seemed so...silly.

Totally agree. Hokiness of building the time machine aside, the mechanism for his machine could have thought out better. They could have had some kind of antenna or something like the pylons on the sonic fence. .

No, no, no. You forgot that he put the thingie to number 11. That's science

The thingie was a desk lamp. Now that's science.

I turned on my lamp today after turning it up to 11, and my desk went forwards in time! I told my mum, and she didn't believe me.

Yeah I think the machine could have been designed better, it really did just look like a light. But there are so many problems with the time travel thing, I dunno where to begin. I liked Dan's long hair, that was awesome. I am worried that time travel might play a big part in the story, but perhaps it won't, maybe that's just going to be something between Dan and Des, in which case maybe it won't interfere too much with the show as a whole.

I turned on my lamp today after turning it up to 11, and my desk went forwards in time! I told my mum, and she didn't believe me.

Yeah I think the machine could have been designed better, it really did just look like a light. But there are so many problems with the time travel thing, I dunno where to begin. I liked Dan's long hair, that was awesome. I am worried that time travel might play a big part in the story, but perhaps it won't, maybe that's just going to be something between Dan and Des, in which case maybe it won't interfere too much with the show as a whole.

That thingie looked like Gypsy from the Satellite of Love [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_%28MST3K%29 ] Check it out and tell me I'm wrong.

And if the time travel drivel only happens between Dan & Des, that's another good to wish for. No use messin' with the other characters and their stories.

P. S. Geez, I miss the main Lost storyline. Hey, maybe Dan can go back in time and bring back Boone, Shannon and that guy who wrote Bad Twins. I bet he would be a good dinner guest.

And bring back Arnzt... Arzt.

If they brought back Mikhail, they could all take turns killing him again and again and ...

Also, Dan could bring back Inman. Of course, all he would do is sit around all depressed and complain a lot.

Dan could bring back Paulo and Nikki and tell them ahead of time, "Sorry, about burying you alive. And about Vincent peeing on you... while you were buried... alive. Sorry. See ya'."

Oh yeah, Dan's lab was right out of some bad British sci-fi b-movie set in the 1880's. At least his time thingie device didn't look like a Dr. Who-ish phone booth. No wonder the higher ups at Oxford didn't visit his lab very often. Or if they did, Dan could send them to another time zone.

Well, with time travel, you can do whatever you like! The thingie certainly does look like Gypsy

Ugh, that Light was really stupid :( Plus I'm totally confused about everything but if I lay out what I just get more confused. Like, why did Desmond never mention he'd been through this before? If it didn't happen the first time round, why is everything exactly the same? Silly "Course Correction" aside SOMETHING must have changed other than Penny planning to recieve his call, so does that mean the Flashback stories we've invested in are now not their pasts anymore? :(

I am worried that time travel might play a big part in the story, but perhaps it won't, maybe that's just going to be something between Dan and Des, in which case maybe it won't interfere too much with the show as a whole.

I'm optimistic here, I think the TT will be limited to certain characters.

It's possible that when his consciousness went back in time, it replaced his past consciousness, causing for his past consciousness to be blacked-out for the duration. This may be why he was discharged from the military, and afterwards, he wouldn't know why, he would have just had black-outs (where he was replaced by his futuristic self). However, that doesn't add up, because he wasn't replaced by his futuristic self, it was his past self who was sent forwards. So I don't know how they can explain it, it seems like he would have the memory of going forwards in time, and seeing Daniel at the university etc.

Ugh, that Light was really stupid :( Plus I'm totally confused about everything but if I lay out what I just get more confused. Like, why did Desmond never mention he'd been through this before? If it didn't happen the first time round, why is everything exactly the same? Silly "Course Correction" aside SOMETHING must have changed other than Penny planning to recieve his call, so does that mean the Flashback stories we've invested in are now not their pasts anymore? :(


I'm optimistic here, I think the TT will be limited to certain characters.

The light thingy was so unbelievable. Everyone knows that time travel devices are bulky, have lots of wires and blinking lights and make all sorts of sci-fi sounds.

Another thing about Daniel's lab being from another time; perhaps, the time thingy took Daniel's lab and sent it back in time and exchanged it for one from the 1880's. I hope that's the last time we see it.

On the second point: as long as the TT thingy doesn't mess with Vincent, I'm okay with it.

One thing i did notice-
Rewatch 'the constant' about 25 minutes in, when Desmond has just arrived at what is supposed to look like Oxford University and begins talking to Daniel.
Now imagine that when Desmond first discusses time travel, that the responce that comes from Daniel is actually a responce from one of the writers.

"Why would i put you through the headache of time travel, you know what i mean, it just seems a little unnessesary, and dont you think my esteemed colleagues could have come up with something just a little more believeable, what kind of a prank is that, time paradox, so uninspiring!"

Hopefully that is a subliminal message from the writers confirming that a time travel storyline would be lame, if not I for one am tuning out.

However even if that was a subliminal message from the writers i fail to understand how they are going to be able to go back on 2 episode that took us down the path of time travel to definitively and come up with a plausable expalination now.

We've invested 4 years of viewing into this show when we were clearly lead to believe that there would be a 'real' explaination for everything. Time travel is possible in physics THEORY but it has also been proved impossible by the same people who came up with the ideas in the first place. I just hope the writers dont try and suggest that time travel is scientifically possible, because its not!!

I like science fiction. Good sci-fi takes actual scientific theories a bit further. There's always a scientific explanation to everything, even if it's speculative or made-up science.

I have a problem with supernatural and paranormal, which have more to do with magic, and don't bother with an explanation other than "weird things happen". Desmond's "mind time travel" seems pretty idiotic to me.The dualist idea that mind and body are two separate things is not supported by modern science (though it is often used in stories that involve supernatural elements). Consciousness is not an entity that could be disconnected from the physical brain. If Lost has some rival explanation, then let's have it. I'd be happy even with a sci-fi theory, but it really annoys me if they let this go unexplained. We might find out more later, but with dead Charlie, dead Christian and Ghostbuster Miles, I'm afraid that Lost is plunging deep into the supernatural.

The episode was brilliantly written, but I just can't get over this.

Hopefully that is a subliminal message from the writers confirming that a time travel storyline would be lame, if not I for one am tuning out.

However even if that was a subliminal message from the writers i fail to understand how they are going to be able to go back on 2 episode that took us down the path of time travel to definitively and come up with a plausable expalination now.

We've invested 4 years of viewing into this show when we were clearly lead to believe that there would be a 'real' explaination for everything. Time travel is possible in physics THEORY but it has also been proved impossible by the same people who came up with the ideas in the first place. I just hope the writers dont try and suggest that time travel is scientifically possible, because its not!!

I don't think it was subliminal. It was PAWs (producers and writers) sending us a wink as if to say, "Yeah, we know time travel is impossible but look what we did."

This episode single handedly ruined everything for me.....I will watch tonight, but anything short of something really awesome or revealing (like the island is a Dharma ocean craft with an organic cover, and Hanso and everyone is on board) I am done with this show. Good run though mates!

This episode single handedly ruined everything for me.....I will watch tonight, but anything short of something really awesome or revealing (like the island is a Dharma ocean craft with an organic cover, and Hanso and everyone is on board) I am done with this show. Good run though mates!

Sounds like this episode is the jump the shark turning point for some. For me, this episode is riding the fence on jumping the shark. I think because we have been acclimated to accept certain possibilities on the show that this episode seems to fall in line with what else to expect, almost building up certain expectations and this is like the crescendo leading up to a big bang.

All in all, I hope this is the furthest the show is going to reach with regards to sci-if elements. Any further and it's over the shark fence for me.

Certainly the in the lab scene, and the Model4100A Heat Lamp Time Machine were definitely Shark Jumping.

Maybe that'll be that and we can get back to good stuff....like Smokey, and Missing Cabins, and 1 Eyed 3 Life Russians!!!

Like, why did Desmond never mention he'd been through this before? If it didn't happen the first time round, why is everything exactly the same? Silly "Course Correction" aside SOMETHING must have changed other than Penny planning to recieve his call, so does that mean the Flashback stories we've invested in are now not their pasts anymore? :(

I was thinking something similar ... and Chrysander has some good thoughts on that; it's still confusing though. In fact, if it weren't for him suddenly having his memory like rewritten, I wouldn't be posting here ... but then when he talks to Penny on the phone, I felt like he was looking at Sayid with recognition again, compared to the previous weirded outness of a 'stranger' talking to him like a friend. But maybe he was just glad that Sayid had helped him?

Certainly the in the lab scene, and the Model4100A Heat Lamp Time Machine were definitely Shark Jumping.

Maybe that'll be that and we can get back to good stuff....like Smokey, and Missing Cabins, and 1 Eyed 3 Life Russians!!!

HA ha ha ... amen!

We might find out more later, but with dead Charlie, dead Christian and Ghostbuster Miles, I'm afraid that Lost is plunging deep into the supernatural.Wow, this sums up my trepidation as well. For me it started with Hawking. Even amidst the all the timeshifting consciousnesses, they won't even get close to a non-supernatural explanation for this woman magically becoming aware of the machinations of the universe and her apparent knowledge of what is "supposed to" happen or not. Malarkey, I tell you!