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hated it, probably worse than last weeks (im not a fan of sun episodes usually but geez)

I'm watching it again as I am writing this. There doesn't seem to be to much to the plot. It all could have been said within another episode. I did however enjoy the story on the boat. But so far, I am looking for what I might have missed the first time.

It wasn't goddawful like last week's, but just seemed really slow and not meaty enough. I swear there was more commercial time than show time.

And I see they continued with the longstanding tradition in tv and film to portray modern-day childbirth in laughably inaccurate fashion. I think she pushed for all of 15 seconds.

For just once I'd like to see a fictional childbirth where the epidural actually works like it does in real life. I think it would have added an eerie factor to have Sun really calm and collected, yet hallucinating that her husband is still alive.

Boring. Predictable.

After having studied the formula of LOST episodes as closely as I've done, I could quickly tell this was a simulatneous Jin flashback-slash-Sun flash-forward. I basically sat through it waiting for the 'surprising' reveal of Michael being on the freighter -- the predictable part.

I guess they can't all be winners.

Worst episode in three and a half seasons.

That being said, I do think this has been a really good season overall. I'm not one to dis LOST. The appearance of Hurley at the end of Sun's flash-forward was strangely interesting, and I've got a feeling Jin's grave is hollow.

Gotta at least hope for some credit.

Loved the Expose reference.

Peace to Damon and Carlton.

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Geez, Jin is dead, big friggin' surprise! Double Geez, Michael's the man on the boat... isn't his name in the opening credits since ep.01? So far, 2 goods episodes have been aired. This one's not one of them. This show is going down sooooo fast it's actually annoying... hope it gets better soon cause I'm about to drop from wasting time watching it...

I actually thought this episode was boring and went exactly as predicted with no real surprises. We guessed at the FB/FF switch weeks ago if not longer, yet I was hoping we'd be wrong because it seemed so obvious. The only mystery to me was the date on that tombstone which I'm told is the date of the crash. So Jin's part of the lie which means he isn't number 6. But they said we were going to know who they all were by the end of this episode. So does that mean Michael is 6th? Whose the 6th? I feel like a lot of the teases about this episode weren't even true and it turned out a little disappointing. There was supposed to be a death this ep. But if the date on the tombstone is obviously the date of the crash (I did notice it said 2004 and knew something was up with that since they were on the island as late as Christmas 2004), then clearly there is something going on and not necessarily a death. We know the O6 are lying so where's the death?

And I just did not think there was enough reason for Sun to go running off to certain death just because Daniel said it wasn't his decision to make whether they were rescued. He didn't exactly say I'm here to kill you all. The motivation seemed forced.

Oh, and then the preview says someone will die next week. So is that true now or another lie since they said the death was happening in this ep.


I feel cheated. (I agree I love Bernard but I'm afraid that the whole karma conversation is just another "you make your own luck" and "we'll get through this together"). I've been suckered too many times by their empty promises. Fate wins, the good guys lose.

Nothing happened in this ep that even the unspoiled didn't already guess. I was so hoping for more, but that was it. Not one thing more.

And did they have to make Michael a janitor? That struck me as so racist.

I feel like I am getting more and more disappointed as we go on in the story. I felt like this was all too predictable. Lately I feel like there is no surprise in these stories. Even with who owns the freighter - big surprise there. I've never read a spoiler since this show began, so I shouldn't be feeling like this!

I love the Kwons, but I was bored through most of this episode. That's no knock on DDK or Yunjin Kim, they were both excellent. Their reconciliation scene was very moving, the scene at the graveside was sad. OTOH, Jin's FB seemed to be all about being clever just to be clever. What's the payoff on a gotcha! that has you thinking it's a happy occasion, only to find out it's actually sort of tragic? Gotcha! Not satisfying. As it was, I saw right through the FB because no way Jin would have wasted time shopping for that damned panda if Sun had gone into labor. Worst of all, absolutely nothing happened during the whole episode, either on the beach or in the Locke camp. Nothing. They completely froze ALL the action. That was unnecessary (IMO) and very disappointing.

The only other scene I really liked (besides the reconciliation and graveside) was the one with Sayid, Desmond and the Capitain. How refreshing to have a character answer questions and volunteer explanations. That said, finding out that Ben is probably the one behind the fake crash was disappointing. He has THAT much money and access to resources that he can pull off a fake airliner crash? Complete with 324 dead bodies? Really? It's now officially The Ben Show, and I'm not that interested, thanks.

As in past seasons, the separation of the main characters into two camps for a prolonged period has lasted far too long to sustain my interest and patience. Add in the fact that my favorite character (Sawyer) seems to have no storyline at all and none in view, and I find I'm about ready to throw in the towel on this season. Where's all the chaos and action everybody was talking about months ago? It feels like the season's arc should be MUCH further along than it is, and that too is unsatisfying. All JMO, of course.

Since I spend a lot of time reading the spoiler forum, I don't expect the show to surprise me, but I do expect an entertaining show. Sun and Jin's on-island story to me was pointless. Sun thought about leaving the beach, but she stays put. Back to square one after an episode. Not my form of entertainment.

The FB\FF action seemed to exist only to show us that Sun made it off the island, while Jin didn't (I am apparently a dunce for not noticing the date on Jin's grave--gonna have to watch that again).

The freighter happenings were the interesting part of the show. I liked seeing Harold's face on the screen--was like seeing a long lost friend. Glad he wasn't killed off, and I hope he doesn't get killed of any time soon. More Harold, now, please.

I've liked every episode this season up until now. Sun and Jin really don't have the most exciting story line to me, but I enjoy watching the actors that portray them. Sun at the grave was a moving scene (the music also added to the sadness, as I associate that music with Charlie's death--the saddest scene in all of Lost).

I am so glad we don't have the break between episodes after this let-down.

I love the Kwons, but I was bored through most of this episode. That's no knock on DDK or Yunjin Kim, they were both excellent. Their reconciliation scene was very moving, the scene at the graveside was sad. OTOH, Jin's FB seemed to be all about being clever just to be clever. What's the payoff on a gotcha! that has you thinking it's a happy occasion, only to find out it's actually sort of tragic? Gotcha! Not satisfying. As it was, I saw right through the FB because no way Jin would have wasted time shopping for that damned panda if Sun had gone into labor. Worst of all, absolutely nothing happened during the whole episode, either on the beach or in the Locke camp. Nothing. They completely froze ALL the action. That was unnecessary (IMO) and very disappointing.

I totally agree with you here on all counts. The entire episode seemed like a setup for a silly twist that I already saw coming. Apart from that, nothing happened.

The only other scene I really liked (besides the reconciliation and graveside) was the one with Sayid, Desmond and the Capitain. How refreshing to have a character answer questions and volunteer explanations. That said, finding out that Ben is probably the one behind the fake crash was disappointing. He has THAT much money and access to resources that he can pull off a fake airliner crash? Complete with 324 dead bodies? Really? It's now officially The Ben Show, and I'm not that interested, thanks.

Yeah, but they totally negated any information you got from the Captain because in the same ep you see a note that says don't believe the Captain. So great, he's the only one to actually say anything of value and we're told he's a liar. Even Sayid remarked how forthcoming he was. A little too forthcoming? Sayid should have remarked on that too, he's a sharpie. And yes, I'm getting sick of creepy little Ben.

As in past seasons, the separation of the main characters into two camps for a prolonged period has lasted far too long to sustain my interest and patience. Add in the fact that my favorite character (Sawyer) seems to have no storyline at all and none in view, and I find I'm about ready to throw in the towel on this season. Where's all the chaos and action everybody was talking about months ago? It feels like the season's arc should be MUCH further along than it is, and that too is unsatisfying. All JMO, of course.

Also agreed here. They've been told since the beginning of season two that to split the camp and leave half the cast hanging for episodes is a bad idea. We were promised more of an ensemble this year and that hasn't happened. I'm surprised at how slow things are moving when we were promised things would speed up now that there's an end date and the seasons are shorter. Instead, I just want this all to end. Like, now.

I still think the flashforwards are the best thing to have happened to this show in a long time, but whereas Kate's was idiotic with some intriguing tidbits (Jack's lie) and one big WTF that could be connected to a very cool storyline foreshadowed since season one, this was just pointless. The HA! it's a flashback twist... erm... OK.

I'm not really bothered to tell you the truth, because I'm going to patiently wait for the Jack, Locke and Ben episodes cause then things will actually... HAPPEN. Nothing happened tonight, aside from Daniel Dae Kim being wonderfully expressive and really sweet. The rest was pretty much nonsense, from Kate being the annoying self-centered pre-teen that she is (at least that's been in character for a very long time) and Sun being all bent out of shape and ready to go to the guy who wants to keep them on the Island FOREVER.

OK, so I'm not exactly being fair because there's the return of Michael and tying up loose threads is always a good thing, but whereas I didn't expect last week to yield any significant plot movement (and I was happy with the character stuff), this week was weak on both accounts, save for Jin. :jin:

jin's been learning english for a week,and he knows words like "cancer","affair" and "karma"

yeah,right

jin's been learning english for a week,and he knows words like "cancer" and "karma"

yeah,right

Karma is like "pizza" from a linguistics point of view: it's the same in every country and I'm not sure about cancer, but it's Latin so it might be an internationally recognizable term.

HOWEVER... I just started a thread (since there's not much to talk about and the fandom can go to bed early tonight) about another Jinglish paradox. He doesnt' understand DIE and DANGER but he understands affair? Characterization has been so very sloppy this season, with very few episodic exceptions.

Let me just say that I love this show. I was sucked in by the awesome first season, and stayed on board for the second (despite some shortcomings). Even though season three started off rocky, the ending was phenomenal! I was so fired up about the fourth. It started off well, and when I saw "The Constant," my fervor for this show was reinvigorated! Sure, the episode that followed it couldn't possibly be as great, so I just wrote it off and decided to wait for the awsomeness that was going to be "Ji Yeon." You know, the episode where we finally know without a shadow of a doubt who every member of the Oceanic 6 are. The episode where we finally get to release the tension that was built up about just who Ben's man on the boat is.

Well, it's been about 30 minutes since the show ended, and all I can say is, @#$%?!

I have to agree with all of the comments above. This episode was quite possibly the biggest letdown in Lost history. Compare the Sun/Jin episodes from season one with Ji Yeon. There is no comparison. This episode was just another filler episode with a gimmicky flashforward/flashback twist thrown in. The only things we learned are that Sun gets off the island and has the baby safely, that Jin may or may not really be dead but is supposed to have "officially" died in the crash (since the date of his death on the gravestone was the date of the crash), and that Michael is undercover on the freighter. However, that last reveal was so anticlimactic since it had been built up for the whole season (not to mention that Darlton and HP revealed it at the comic convention and HP's name has been in the credits).

But we most certainly do not know without a shadow of a doubt who the Oceanic Six are. I only know of five for certain: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and Sun. Jin cannot be the 6th because he was supposed to have died in the crash according to the tombstone. Logically, he cannot be a survivor of the crash if he died in it. Aaron is the 6th? Well, I might buy it, but it is a stretch since (as most have mentioned) he wasn't a bona fide passenger on the flight since he was still in utero and not on the flight manifest. If he is the 6th, why aren't people wondering how Kate, a fugitive from justice who was not pregnant at the time of the flight managed to give birth? He's adopted, you say? I say, rubbish! No court would allow a woman on trial for murder to adopt a child while she was in jail during the proceedings.

I felt like we were being teased every time the story cut back to the freighter. We really didn't get any action. Desmond and Sayid eat lima beans. They meet the Capt, but we don't get any real info that we didn't already know (Widmore's boat, crash was staged). Plus, we can't really trust what the Capt. says because of (Michael's?) note saying not to trust the Capt.

Oh, and what happened to Regina? Wasn't she the woman Faraday was talking to on the Sat Phone every time they called (rocket, emergency #, etc.)? Why was she reading a book upside down, and why did she commit suicide? Totally random, and it didn't really add anything to the mystery or storyline for me. It just annoyed me.

I've got so much more to rant about but this post is getting longer than I anticipated. Let me just hope that the next episode provides more satisfaction and excitement (on par with The Constant) or I'm going to wrap myself up in chains and jump off a freighter!

And did they have to make Michael a janitor? That struck me as so racist.

I thought it was a cool reference to Ben, his puppet master. That was his first job on the Island. It's also low profile but gives access in lots of dark corners. I was OK with that.

But I have to go to bed now cause there's not much of interest for me in this episode.

This episode was slow and so much filler. However, even with that it was better than
Eggtown and The Other Woman, which were so bad they were offensive even though
more things actually happened in them. It is possible to have a filler episode that doesn't
completely suck. However, that doesn't change that it was an uneventful filler episode and I
wasn't really entertained.


Yawn!

It wasn't goddawful like last week's, but just seemed really slow and not meaty enough. I swear there was more commercial time than show time.

And I see they continued with the longstanding tradition in tv and film to portray modern-day childbirth in laughably inaccurate fashion. I think she pushed for all of 15 seconds.

For just once I'd like to see a fictional childbirth where the epidural actually works like it does in real life. I think it would have added an eerie factor to have Sun really calm and collected, yet hallucinating that her husband is still alive.

The childbirth in Knocked Up http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478311/ was pretty accurate, but I agree that they are rare.

It was also weird that both Sun and Jack forgot that a loved one was not alive.

I hated seeing that Michael was really the long-suspected "man on the ship," and I REALLY REALLY HATED how stupid TPTB are making Sayid look - he was a communictions officer, and it doesn't occur to him that the person making the tapping noise is trying to send him a morse code message?

Even if I didn't know "someone" was going to die, it was totally telegraphed during that "I forgive you scene." As Shannon, Libby and Charlie looked down upon them, thinking "See you soon, one of you!"

Very sluggish episode. Sun & Juliets actions dint gel with me. The boat action was nice thou. Comic Con made "Kevin Johnson" obvious. Thou I didnt catch the FF-FB thingie, due Lost-twists, I sort of knew Jin wasnt rushing to Sun. Anyways, the FB was utterly pointless used solely with the purpose of the now-mandatory "Lost twist moment". CHEAP TRICK. SHAME!!!

Karma is like "pizza" from a linguistics point of view: it's the same in every country and I'm not sure about cancer, but it's Latin so it might be an internationally recognizable term.

KARMA is a Hindu word. It is the concept of "action" or "deed" in Indian religions understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called sansar) described in Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist philosophies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Ok, I didnt hated this episode... But I was very confused by the end. Is Jin one of the O6? I don´t think so, but TPTB said that we would know all the 6 in this episode. So, if Jin is not, is Michael? Aaron?
I knew that Jin was a flashback because I read the spoilers. My brother doesnt and he was thinking that Jin was FF and that he faked his death. I had to show him the spoilers so he got it the flashback/foraward stuff...
So, yeah, very confusing stuff... :coco: :shrug:

I did not hate the episode, it took a major twist at the end with Jin.

I wanted him to give that Panda to Sun. :frown:

It was not as emotional as the Desmond/Penny episode.

This an episode with great concept brought down by horrible execution. Really I don't care that Jin is dead at all, not even a little bit, and I loved his character. It's kind of like back in Season 1, Boone exactly wasn't everyone's favorite character, but I'll tell you what, Boone's death followed by Locke's reaction made that one of Lost's greatest episodes, they did that perfectly. This was probably the cheapest thing that the Lost writers have ever done, half of our time was wasted with a pointless flashback made with no other point then to fool us. And really it was obvious enough seeing as how nobody was giving Jin special treatment as an Oceanic 6. This is without a doubt the worst episode of Lost that I've ever seen, so horrible that it has made a long time fan of the show, one who hasn't missed a single episode since Lost's premier, consider not watching the show anymore. It was very dull and boring, cheap and the only thing that created the smallest bit of substance was the return of Micheal, and even that was over in the flash of an eye.

not a huge fan of the past Jin/Sun stories, but this one wasn't very good. It just didn't seem to add much to the story, it seemed like filler. Although, I will say that it was touching at the end when Hurley and Sun went to the graveyard. I thought we were supposed to know for sure who the Oceanic 6 were after this ep?

Ok it wasnt a great episode, because lets be honest...who really wanted michael back. I thought his flash backs rivaled Kates for most boring. The only time michaels were interesting are when Walt was in them. And secondly if Ben if a playboy billionaire...why couldnt he get a doctor until one fell out a uninspected air plane?

Your telling me the guy can buy lots of bodies for a fake crash...he can influence people to do his evil work, He can run a secret island that nobody knows about and do amazing things...but he cant buy a plane ticket to Europe or Even South America to have a doctor take out a tumor?

And as far as Jin's flashback.....ok you tricked us but its not going to work every week. You can only pull a 6th Sense move once and i feel that was used to early. In the whole scope of 4 seasons jin has actually talked to the other losties for roughly 3 minutes in english. Until he starts conversing more who really cares anyway...hes got a rotten wife who is selfish, and dont forget killed someone on the island!

But anything is better than Kates episode last week! And the worst part is she killed one man. Pretty much every one on the island has killed someone by now so whats the big deal anymore. So all we learned is that the stars of the show all get off the island big shocker. We know locke doesnt want off, so if he gets off the island hes going to be pissed anyway. So that only leaves sawyer and claire...and with the amount of air time claire gets why would she get off, then give her baby to kate the daddy killer. And by the way the group wants to stick with their story im thinking the oceanic 6 killed all those people trying to rescue them.

On Island story was too contrived. I say it again and again. I don't understand the logic behind Jack-Locke camping. Sun not wanting to get off the Island was pretty stupid. Kate was annoying as usual. Among non-questioning losties, Sun seemed super smart to ask questions to Dan but it was needed because of the storyline of "Sun suddenly wanting to migrate to Lockeland". I'm sure she will return to her "deactivated" state next week.

I hope Jin is dead 100%. Otherwise dramatic nature of watching Jin after this episode will be killed for the sake of surprising the viewers Hollywood style.

The disconnection between the freighther, the beach and Locke camp is getting tiresome. Sayid and Desmond are there for days, the beach folk doesn't show any interest to make an "emergency call". It's been days since the newcomers landed on the Island. Still no rational talk between the losties and the freighters.

FB-FF stuff didn't surprise me much because now that they have every kind of narrative tool in their hands, I was, kind of, expecting them to abuse FB-FF-present forms to fabricate twists and questions. Jin FBs were just used to mislead the viewers, nothing needed for the character.

I don't know why but I think this episode had a big soap opera feel to it. The worst thing was Jin and Bernard's conversation on the boat about karma. And the childbirth scene was ridiculous. How often did Sun push? Once? I usually like Jin & Sun episodes but this one bored me to death. And is Jin one of the Oceanic 6 or not? I still don't get it.

Poor Jin. :(

I thought this was the weakest episode of the season so far. It was very disappointing. Even the big "reveal" was disappointing, as it had been obvious for some time that Michael was likely to be on the boat (a sad sad result of his re-joining the show having been announced in the first place). There were awful plot contrivances (Juliette ratting out Sun), as well as a very clumsy reveal (the "it ain't his baby he's visiting" thread).

I don't like that I'm on the didn't love it thread. I've been lovin' this show since day one but this season is making me wish they would just wrap up the damn thing.

Contrived, disconnected, soap opera-ish, pointless. The writers have gone in too many directions and have lost their way home. Very sad. :frown:

Hated it. Boring. Didn't advance the plot enough.

boring and predictable, i was unspoiled, yet i figured out jin was in flash back, mobile phone gave it away, from that moment on i knew he was dead, i thought Michael would have a better entrance, meh i could go,
unfortunately i hated this episode

don't like episodes/scenes where i can see the words in the script as they are spoken.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that Lost is more about Ben than about the Losties?

That is one of the things I am not liking about this season and about this episode. Don't get me wrong, I am still interested in the Losties, sans the love stuff, but I am finding Ben's story more interesting than any of the Losties' stories.

Wow, so TPTB obviously just don't have enough plot to fill out the season. It looks like they put all their eggs in the "Flashforward" basket, while almost completely ignoring the island story they've just spent three years cultivating.

It's ironic that in switching to the FF format, they avoid the repetition and aimlessness which had started to plague the flashbacks, yet now the same thing is happening to the show's present. Must...kill...time...until...we...hit...next...plo t...point...

Suddenly I'm glad we're only getting five more episodes this season. Maybe they'll somehow relearn the value of precision storytelling.

sigh... i wouldn't go so far as to say i hated it or that it was the worst episode, since "Stranger in a Strange Land" still exists in the canon, but i was a bit annoyed at how this episode seemed to exercise style over substance. I compare the best episodes of Lost to movies such as "Memento", where the non linear storytelling serves the purpose of the story. But in this case, the style was meant strictly to fool us and drop a bomb on us at the end and not really help the story. I would compare this episode to the "Saw" movies, or an M. Night Shyamalan movie. Style over substance.

normally I equate most episodes of Lost to Memento, one of my favorite movies... but "Ji Yeong" really felt more like an M. Night Shyamalan movie, basically a boring plot that doesn't move and only exists so that the rug can be pulled from under you at the end. if next week's episode starts out with Desmond and Sayid chained together in an empty room with only a hacksaw, I'm tunin gout.

Urghhh, when Sun was asking Daniel about why he was on the island, I just hated the whole stuttery silence thing, I am getting so sick of that on Lost.

And:
"I can't tell you, you wouldn't understand"
"You don't wanna know!"
"If I told you, you'd kill me"
etc don't cut it. It's just lazy writing, putting things off doesn't make them mysterious, it just makes us bored waiting when nothing particularly interesting is happening in the meantime.

Jin's flashback told us... nothing whatsoever - absolutely nothing, unbelievable, and it wasn't even entertaining.

From my point of view, the most interesting things are:
Michael Flashback to explain what happened to him after leaving the island
Freighties vs Ben (bring that on as soon as possible)
Ben in general
Locke with Ben
Locke's ultimate aim
The rest of the others and the temple
Sayid on the boat - if it ever progresses towards anything, I am assuming it does, it should be interesting eventually

The other stuff which is going on is just like blah to me

Boring. Predictable.



Agreed.

I'm not in the "I hated it camp"...But this would have been a horrible episode to end on....until late april.

Sucked.... whats next, a 1 hour snooze-fest on Banard and Rose?????

Lost is lost.

Stupid episode.

Urghhh, when Sun was asking Daniel about why he was on the island, I just hated the whole stuttery silence thing, I am getting so sick of that on Lost.

And:
"I can't tell you, you wouldn't understand"
"You don't wanna know!"
"If I told you, you'd kill me"
etc don't cut it. It's just lazy writing, putting things off doesn't make them mysterious, it just makes us bored waiting when nothing particularly interesting is happening in the meantime.

Jin's flashback told us... nothing whatsoever - absolutely nothing, unbelievable, and it wasn't even entertaining.

From my point of view, the most interesting things are:
Michael Flashback to explain what happened to him after leaving the island
Freighties vs Ben (bring that on as soon as possible)
Ben in general
Locke with Ben
Locke's ultimate aim
The rest of the others and the temple
Sayid on the boat - if it ever progresses towards anything, I am assuming it does, it should be interesting eventually

The other stuff which is going on is just like blah to me

A great point. The idea of waiting for an answer over several episodes is getting really old and predictable. To draw things out and make us wait until the next episode is something that may have worked when the series was young, i.e. season 1, but now it is just a old and tired. It doesn't make the story more interesting.

When a character says, "You wouldn't understand..." maybe the other characters wouldn't understand but we the viewers will. Give the characters a little more credit and brains. Making them seem dumb doesn't add to their depth.

Jin's flashback spliced into Sun's flash-forward? Was that suppose to be a big reveal or some kind of storytelling trick? Was it supposed to make us say, "Wow! That's what I like about Lost: you never know what is going to happen or when it is happening. I love Lost for doing that." Hardly!

Enough with the tricks. We are in the 4th season and we are seasoned viewers and we aren't falling for gimmicks like that.

I am reminded that Lost was supposed to run for 5 seasons and ABC wanted to stretch it out to 6. This is what happens when you screw with the original storyline. Making it longer than expected or longer than the story should be does not make it better.

Jin's flashback spliced into Sun's flash-forward? Was that suppose to be a big reveal or some kind of storytelling trick? Was it supposed to make us say, "Wow! That's what I like about Lost: you never know what is going to happen or when it is happening. I love Lost for doing that." Hardly!

Hear, hear! I don't know what they were going for, but I'm pretty sure it failed. Appropriately enough, that pretty much sums up my thoughts on S4 thus far.

Lost is absolutely, unequivocally lost. To be fair, the problems we're seeing this season are not new. But, like PapaThor said, it's too late in the game for the writers to be fumbling around like this.

I really didnt enjoy this episode. I thought it was depressing. :frown: I always watch the episodes at least twice and I did not want to watch this again. The freighter story is becoming too longwinded, and all of a sudden Ben is spilling all of his secrets ? Not great writing.

A great point. The idea of waiting for an answer over several episodes is getting really old and predictable. To draw things out and make us wait until the next episode is something that may have worked when the series was young, i.e. season 1, but now it is just a old and tired. It doesn't make the story more interesting.

Yeah, I don't think that there should be answers all over the place, I just think the mechanism that's being used at the moment to maintain "mysteries" is lazy. Just presenting something odd and then having characters (who know the answers) just not talking about it, and not really explaining why, is poor writing in my opinion. I can wait for answers, but this just feels like a waste of time, since it's not really progressing at all...

That was a horribly horribly written episode. Once again Adam and Eddy make me rethink being a Lost fan. I'm a big fan of Jin's (and Daniel Dae Kim's, for what it's worth), but I didn't care when they killed him off, at all, because it was done in such a convulted, contrived way. We learned nothing new about Jin's character in his half of the flash-back-to-the-future-whatever, it's only purpose was to trick the audience into thinking he was alive in the future. How amazingly clever. It's like those kids in school who lie to your face and then say "tricked you!" Wow, good one... If Adam and Eddy have to stay on as writers, please please please bring someone in to redo their dialogue. It's awful. It's Jericho bad. Human beings do not speak to each other like that. For my money, this episode would be even worse than last week's 'The Other Woman' if they hadn't of pulled the trigger on the most anti-climatic easy-to-see-coming story tease ever that it's Michael on the boat. That one glimpse of Harold Perrineau elevated the episode an entire letter grade for me. So now I give it a D-.

P.S.: What were Damon and Co thinking when they thought this was a good episode to do into their mid-season hiatus from? Sometimes I think I'm watching a different show.

I'm a big fan of Jin's (and Daniel Dae Kim's, for what it's worth), but I didn't care when they killed him off, at all, because it was done in such a convulted, contrived way.

UGH. I know. I felt so bad for failing to care, even though Daniel was so wonderfully expressive in the scenes with Sun and when he says Bernard can go on their fishing trip. It's wasting a great performance on a story that's just a quick fix. I know I'll probably care when and if I actually see him dying but for now this just failed to move me. It's my second biggest problem with this episode aside from the fact that you know... Nothing happened on the Island for a whole day. We've had plenty of this before and maybe I'd be OK with it if it were episode 7 out of 23, but it's not. We only get 13 hours of LOST this season and this was a monumental waste of time.

And you're right, Kitsis and Horrowitz suck at character and dialogue all in one.

I feel like they were sitting in a meeting, just before the season started, and either (A) decided to save a major plot point until next season or (B) realized that they only had enough fuel for half a dozen episodes.

I don't think they're trying to annoy us, but it's like they are trying to stretch a way-too-thin pile of plot points to fill the episodes.

It feels like every "mystery piece" is getting handled multiple times; the first two are fine, but after that they are just showing slightly different views of something we already know.

it's like they are trying to stretch a way-too-thin pile of plot points to fill the episodes.

Agreed. It's frustrating for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that they have a TON of stuff to work with, but aren't covering 98% of it -- and for absolutely no good reason. That might be excusable if the stuff that is being explored were genuinely interesting, insightful and compelling. But, for the most part, it's not.

"Sun, you're screwed."
"No I'm not."
"Yes you are."
"No I'm not."
"Yes you are. Trust me."
"OK."
"in the past[/I]. OH [B]SNAP!]"

Give. me. a. break!

I was on vacation for the past two episodes, so I first watched Ji Yeon Saturday and again Sunday. It’s official: this season is a train wreck. After 7 episodes, 3 have been unequivocal disasters. In fact, 3 of the 10 worst LOST episodes ever have been from this season- possibly, 3 of the 5 worst. Apparently, TPTB have thrown in the towel for this entire season, just “filling” to get to another season. The first warning sign came when I found out they were cutting the episodes per season to 16 from about 24 (depending how you count two-part episodes) for the final three seasons. Then, this season gets cut an additional 3 (to 13) due to the writer’s strike (apparently, they should have stayed on strike- or, been fired upon their return). Obviously, this series should have been about 3 seasons- 4 at the most. When you keep trotting out one filler episode after another, it means you have too many seasons- even when the seasons are short.

This episode was so stupid and boring (AGAIN), I cannot believe it is coming from the same creative team that sucked me into this series. This show now belongs on ABC’s daytime “drama” lineup, as it is much more of a soap than the cool sci-fi mystery that sucked me in during S1 (and I’m not even a real sci-fi fan). Is it possible that the creative team of LOST lost a bet with their counterparts of General Hospital and they swapped shows for this season?

This episode was filled with yet more of the same lame twists (Jin FB, trying to fake us out into believing it was part of the FF) and soap “drama” (Juliet telling Jin that Sun had an affair- and somehow Jin now understands this after a week or so of learning English; then Sun slaps her in the face- is this a FB of an old Dynasty episode??) that we have been suffering through all season. I posted this before and I’ll state it again, here: FBs (and FFs, for that matter) are distinct signs of the writer’s WEAKNESS. When you are in season 4, you should be able to move the plot and action forward without crutches like FBs and FFs- especially when you only have less than 40 total episodes to go. And you should certainly be able to move the plot and action forward without ridiculous stunts like the FB within a FF. How many minutes did they waste in this episode on Jin’s FB just to give us a “gotchya” moment? When they have to resort to this sort of nonsense, it tells me, quite clearly, they are out of legitimate ideas. Otherwise, they would have spent that precious time on some real action. After all, what’s more interesting, Jin cursing at some guy who stole his cab (and panda bear) or exploring something like the mystery behind the remains of the four-toed foot statue on the island (I’m sure we will never get an answer to that- and if we do, it will probably have something to do with a lame love triangle from way back when)?

Nothing of any interest happened in this episode. Just more of the same old talking heads (actually, talking GIAGANTIC heads- they continue to pull in so tight, the entire face of the actor is not visible- scene after scene). Very seldom is a character doing something without constant dialogue. What’s up with that? This again tells me the plot and action are incredibly weak.

Terrible episode. I guess the only positive to take away from this latest disaster is that TPTB have now lowered the bar to such a level that even a mediocre episode will seem fantastic. What a disappointing season.

I have been waiting 4 weeks for this epi and it was boring :(