Discuss the good and bad about the episode. If you totally loved the episode or totally didn't love the episode and do not wish to discuss the pros and cons, please visit the Loved it or Didn't Love it threads.

So I'll go first just to get a neutral conversation going instead of keeping it in either the Didn't Love it, Loved it or Rate the episode threads.

Good: I failed to mention in the other thread that I loved creepy Locke. He becomes more interesting to me each week, especially because he said it is his job to protect the island. Very interesting indeed. The grenade in the mouth was awesome. I also liked the end when Regina informed the folks on the phone that the helicopter never made it back to the freighter. Gets me excited for what is to come.

Not so good: Kate has never been my favorite but I'm not going to pick all the stuff with her apart. I appreciated this epi (and the show as a whole) just for the entertainment value. The trial stuff was kinda lame. Also, I did mention in another thread that I kinda saw the Aaron twist at the end coming (I was able to stay away from that particular spoiler).

Alright:

Good - Overall, the episode was well written and filled with some neat twists. I loved Evangeline Lilly's acting along with Matthew Fox. (Both deserve an Emmy, pronto!)

Bad - a few continuity errors? in the flash forward, but who knows how the rest of the world is impacted by Flight 815. I'm kind of surprised that Claire is so happy after a few days Charlie died.

Overall, a great episode with a few errors.

Once again, I am stuck in neutral. I like it SO much better than last week. The story did anvance some, and we did get some resolution, even though we may not have liked some parts.

I am curious that in their flash forwards both Jack and Hurley seemed to be haunted about getting back to the island, Sayid is actively working to help his friends and get back to the island (so it seems) but Kate's flashforward showed nothing about her wanting/needing/being haunted about going back.

I know the terms of her parole are that she stay put, but that has nothing to do with the forces trying to get answers from teh Oceanic 6.

I wish I knew why Jack does not want to see Aaron? Does Jack not know Aaron is his nephew? Could this also mean that something happened to Claire?

LOST is one show that leaves you asking more and more questions and only supplies a limited amount of answers.

I am also positive Ben and Aaron can be excluded from the Oceanic 6 due to the fact they are not listed on the planes manifest. I believe Ben can come and go from the island when he wants to and Aaron is technically an island native. I think the following 2 are...

Jin and Sun, due to the fact Sun has to leave to save herself and her unborn child.

This episode worked for me. Lots of people had problems with the courtroom scene - not me. It worked (and I'm copying from another thread here) the same way an OR scene in "Grey's Anatomy" works for me... since I'm neither a lawyer nor a surgeon I couldn't tell ya what's wrong with it :)

Good:
- Never thought I was gonna say this, but I'm beginning to like "Crazy Locke!" Not the way I admired the shaman-like nature of his character in season one, or the paternal Locke who built cribs, or the determined Locke who got Sawyer to do the dirty work for him, but the really dangerously unpredictable and slightly unhinged Locke, who has insane twinkles in his eyes and who shoves hand-grenades into people's mouthes.
- Hurley's one-liners. Scooby-doo'd? Gotta remember that :)
- Flash-forward Kate. Sooo pretty! Motherhood becomes her!
- Jack's false testimony. So there are supposedly eight crash survivors, he says. Why eight? Who came up with that?? And who, according to this lie then, are the two that don't make it? Assuming that Kate passes Aaron as her own, one of these has to be the supposed baby-daddy... ? Oh, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies... :)
- The increasing amount of time references, which just make my head spin. If the Island runs 30 minutes behind every minute spent in real time, what year exactly is it in "real life" right now? Whaa...? No? Aaarrrggghh! :)
- Ben. Why is it that he seems even more dangerous in captivity? Who IS this man?
- Shirtless Sawyer :naughty:

Not so good:
- Happy Claire. It's been only two days since Charlie drowned. Even if the scenes were meant to depict her in a content moment, sleeping in a bed, real food and having showers can't be THAT good after you just lost your mate.
- Jack not wanting to see "the baby." :confused: I didn't get that. He's a lesser man than I thought he was if the child is Sawyers (which I think he's NOT). Taking it one step further: Assuming Kate's Aaron IS Claire's Aaron, and assuming Jack will find out that he and Claire are related, and assuming something awful will happen to Claire (which might or might not involve Locke since she's in his camp right now) and which Jack then of course will blame on himself, even if he feels TREMENDOUS guilt, he still can't get over himself to embrace his own flesh and blood?

I think this season already has generally a darker tone and more somber mood than the seasons before, which I'm not sure I can fully embrace yet. I liked the small victories that the Losties were able to celebrate... Hurley's van, for example. The PB&J scene in season one. Charlie building a church with Eko. Locke embracing the rain for the first time. Right now, it just feels dark and somewhat unsettling.

I thought it was a good epi overall and did what it was supposed to do - advance the story. The acting was first rate and I really liked the way Kate looked so different in the FF as opposed to the island scenes. She's a pretty young woman and even prettier when she cleans up.

As for the court scenes, I had no problem with them. I have a legal background, have worked for a D.A. and have sat on a jury so I do know how things should work. But this is LOST, not a legal drama, so I just don't see any point in getting peeved (or worse) over things not being done by the book. The purpose of the court scenes were to show the viewer how Kate's alleged crimes get settled, and to do this as expeditiously as possible, not to bore us with drawn out legalese. Could the writers have done a better job - sure, but what does it matter? The outcome would have been the same.

I'm a bit more neutral on the island scenes. They were well acted but fairly predictable (and no, I do not read spoilers). It seemed I could find a parallel story line in past epis for just about everyone on this epi. I realize this is a trend of the writers but this epi seemed to have too many, which is why I found it so predictable.

Locke - a geeze, what can you say about that man that hasn't been said. Ben's right, he's still lost only now he's in charge, or thinks he is. Scary guy, imho. :eek2:

Jack - loved him as always but hate the way he's having to lie. I don't want a "dark" Jack. I doubt he knows yet that Aaron's his nephew. I think he's staying away from him from some sort of fear or guilt, maybe both. By fear I don't mean he's afraid of the baby but rather his own emotions. Aaron probably epitomizes all that went wrong when getting off the island and he probably wouldn't be able to continue with his lies if he had a relationship with him.

Daniel and Charlotte aren't adding much to the story so far for me and I'm beginning to think they're as out of the loop as we tv viewers. I'm looking forward to next week and hope we get more answers. Until then, I'll just watch the epi again . . . and again . . . and again . . . :biggrin:

Not so good:
- Happy Claire. It's been only two days since Charlie drowned. Even if the scenes were meant to depict her in a content moment, sleeping in a bed, real food and having showers can't be THAT good after you just lost your mate.

But Claire did not just lose her mate. She lost a friend. An ex drug addict she only met a little over 3 months ago and who she had told to get lost a month later. An ex-addict who had taken off with the baby in the middle of the night and who you found standing in the ocean holding him. Sorry. If I had been Claire I would have made sure he was never near or alone with my baby again. But this being TV her motherly instincts wavered a bit. She and Charlie had only become friends again a little over a month ago. They never shared more than a few kisses. And it's not like she was a single person meeting a cute guy. She was a young first time mother who had just had a child naturally under stressful conditions. It would take her a while to recover and all her strength would be focused on her baby and bonding with him. She would be breastfeeding round the clock (unless there is Dharma baby formula around) which is itself exhausting. There is just no room in a young mother's life for the kind of romance so many shippers expected from this couple.

I had a man living with me (my hubby) and I had little time for him. The kid took up all my time. Nurse, change diaper, put to bed, rock to stop crying, nurse, change, rock to stop crying, nurse, change very poopy diaper (extra time), put to sleep, and change shirt that smells of sour milk. Your clothes always smell of drool :drool:and vomited milk:puke:. First month or so he nursed every 2 hours round the clock. I was constantly exhausted and romance was the very last thing on my mind. My son was the focus of my life. When he was happy the two of us were off in our own little world playing with one another just like we played together before he was born. I saw that happiness in Claire last night. I saw the joy Aaron brought to her life. I saw a mother who put her son first. When you have a 3 month old boy the only man in your life is your son. So don't be too hard on Claire. She is only being a good mother. (Lest I make this motherhood thing sound too appealing to any single young lady reading this I have to add that as soon as the ink is dry on the college diploma that cost you your retirement fund the little ingrate moves to the other side of the country and you're lucky to see him once a year :sadwave: :bawling: ).

Charlie was a friend and there was the potential for a relationship but Charlie died before there was a chance for anything to develop.

I was lukewarm on the flashforward parts. The ending floored me and had me yelling at the TV but for some reason the courtroom scenes were too shallow? If that makes sense. There had to be some better way to show us what happened to Kate. It was a good choice to limit the trial to one episode and I understand part of the problem was how the time line had to be condensed so you had little sense of how long Kate was in jail. Still it didn't feel like a trial. Then real trials don't seem like real trials when you see one because our idea of a real trial comes from TV. So maybe I'm wrong there. It may just be better to say I didn't find the flashforwards entertaining. But then I don't usually find Kate's flashbacks entertaining so I'm a poor judge. Ramble much?

The island parts were amazing! I love snarky Ben and the lines they are giving him are amazing. Michael Emerson has again mastered the art of chewing food with wads of cotton in his mouth. Like season 2 he chewed away at his food while chewing away at Locke. Have to say that bending basement "cement" wall (when Locke throws Ben's tray at it) didn't help the suspension of belief but that is alright.

Hopefully the swelling in Ben's lip and cheek will go down by next week. I'm afraid Michael is going to choke on one of those cotton balls while trying to eat. Who is Ben? Given all the paperwork he had in his Hydra office he is up to something. Does he sell gems? (my personal theory). Is he an international mastermind of some sort?

Another room in Ben's house! Was anyone else surprised to find that Ben had a basement! Do all the cottages have them or is Ben’s special leading to underground passages to get off the island? Wonder if Ben’s cottage has any other surprise rooms.

While I'd love to hit Locke upside the head he certainly is entertaining! His treatment of Miles was more chilling than anything Ben has done. Obey my rules or you get a grenade in the mouth. I think the boathouse is going to go boom! Hurley or Claire will question his actions and he will give them the same “no use having rules if you don’t have penalties” speech he gave Miles and scare the hell out of them. That will make Hurley regret following Locke. I hope Locke doesn't kill Miles until he tells us more about Ben.

I don't know why a lot of people are disliking this episode... apparently the court stuff was ridiculously inaccurate and boring... I thought it was pretty interesting - the first time I've been interested in Kate's story on or off the island since she blew her step-dad's house up. I agree that on the island her motivation is a little unclear with the whole Milo-Ben thing - she needs to know if she's wanted in the real world? Wasn't she already arrested? What difference does it make if Milo and his team know? Anyway, I still think it was a good episode. No where near as bad as Stranger in a Strange Land, like some are saying.

I have always thought that the writing on Lost was outstanding, despite the growing number of unanswered plot threads. The characters have, for the most part, been very believable.

In Eggtown, however, I found my suspension of disbelief vaporized when Kate was willing to break Miles out of the boathouse, break into Locke's basement, shoot off the lock (which any Mythbusters fan knows is not realistic), and allow Miles and Ben to chat -- all for the sole reason of wanting to know what Miles knew of her.

Why would Kate care what Miles knew? It was enough that Miles already admitted that he knew who she was. Nobody would go to those lengths to find out more than that. It was a cheap trick the writers used to get Miles and Ben together.

On the flip side of the coin, the writing was fantastic in the way the viewers are led to believe that the father of Kate's son was Sawyer. When Jack spurned the child, it was because of jealousy of Sawyer, of course. Then that theory got blown to pieces in the last 30 seconds.

Well, I took a few days to think about this epi and decided I was neutral about it as well.

The trial scenes didn't do it for me ... they were very Hollywood-Court-Drama typical. But I guess Kate's off-island presence needed explanation. The Aaron twist at the end kind of made up for all of the confusion I had while watching this episode concerning references to Kate's son. I was beginning to wonder about how much forward in time this flash forward jumped to!

I guess the folks at the ol' Christianne I were clueless about the helicopter returning? Or is that time differential playing a part in botched communications? I dunno. Gotta tune in next week.

Oh, I did like Creepy Locke and I've got some ideas brewing about his continued role. Maybe I'll saunter over into the conspiracy theory threads to posit a few, eh?

pros:

- We found out who "him" was.
- Kate's baby is Aaron.
-Locke popped the grenade in Miles mouth.
- Terri and Michael's acting.

cons.

-The Murder trial was very unrealistic.
- She got off on probation when she was charged for six other offences.
- Many people thought Kate said "Eric" instead of "Eric"
- Kate's stupidity on not being able to choose.
- When Sawyer catches on to her, she slaps him.
- Ruined Kate's character.
- Name of episode was completely random and made no sense to the episode.

This was not one of the better episodes so far this season. I like what others mentioned already. I especially liked Locke, Miles, and that grenade. Locke to me is still a farmer trying to be a hunter. When he put that grenade in Miles mouth, he went a long way toward his goal.

Ditto on what wasn't liked - the courtroom scene. The future Jack is looking like a bigger wimp than the past Locke. If his lie on the stand was just to keep up appearances for whatever deal they made with whomever, I don't think he would have needed Kate's help in discrediting it. As depressing as his first flashforward was, I'm looking forward to more of the suicidal Jack after watching the so far cheerful Jack of the new FF season.

I thought it was a good episode, not fantastic but it kept me interested throughout.

My favorite "little moment that gave me chills" was when Ben was talking to Locke at the beginning when John brought him breakfast:
"You're so desperate to figure out what to do next you're asking me for help. So here we are, just like old times, except I'm locked in a different room. And you're more lost than you ever were"

I loved the shout-out to the original Hatch and it's important to remember all that these characters have been through in only three months. It really made the situation seem more real to me.

I wish I knew why Jack does not want to see Aaron? Does Jack not know Aaron is his nephew? Could this also mean that something happened to Claire?

LOST is one show that leaves you asking more and more questions and only supplies a limited amount of answers.



That is very true. I love Gregg Nations and the rest of them and J.J....just creating something as awesome as Lost...yeah...I don't guess too many things on this show and that's what keeps it interesting.

I was wondering that tyoo, about Jack and Aaron. I found it really sad. My theory is, that Claire never knew Jack was his brother (and I believe she had died, that's why Kate is raising Aaron.) BUT that Jack found out once he got off the island - medical bills his father had been paying and his bank account etc.
Anyway, I'm wondering if maybe that's the reason - Aaron being related to him. Perhaps he can't forgive his father for cheating on his mother and having another family? That's why he doesn't want to see him.

Then again, it wouldn't be very Jack-like - he's the regular hero and probably wouldn't blame an innocent child. *shrugs* I'm very interested in finding out what's behind this. ;)

Jack found out once he got off the island - medical bills his father had been paying and his bank account etc.
Anyway, I'm wondering if maybe that's the reason - Aaron being related to him. Perhaps he can't forgive his father for cheating on his mother and having another family? That's why he doesn't want to see him. ;)

Oh...I like that theory. That would make sense.

That is very true. I love Gregg Nations and the rest of them and J.J....just creating something as awesome as Lost...yeah...I don't guess too many things on this show and that's what keeps it interesting.

I was wondering that too, about Jack and Aaron. I found it really sad. My theory is, that Claire never knew Jack was his brother (and I believe she had died, that's why Kate is raising Aaron.) BUT that Jack found out once he got off the island - medical bills his father had been paying and his bank account etc.
Anyway, I'm wondering if maybe that's the reason - Aaron being related to him. Perhaps he can't forgive his father for cheating on his mother and having another family? That's why he doesn't want to see him.

Then again, it wouldn't be very Jack-like - he's the regular hero and probably wouldn't blame an innocent child. *shrugs* I'm very interested in finding out what's behind this. ;)

We all know that more than 8 people survived the crash, but we don't know why the "Oceanic 6" are sticking to that story.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the 6 that left the island agreed (or were compelled by Ben) to lie about the other 815ers that are still stuck on the island.

Jack could be reluctant to see Aaron because it will remind him of his role in the cover-up; this conflict between wanting to leave the island and lying about the survivors still there is probably what is causing him to have a breakdown and the guilt is making him want to return.

I don't think Jack and Claire will ever discover their pre-island connection, just like Hurley and Libby didn't discover theirs, just like Jack never found out that Ana-Lucia was his father's bodyguard, just like Desmond never found out that the woman who gave him the boat (Libby) was also on the island....