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I guess I'm all alone in not hating or loving the episode.

In general, I like it when they give me a peek at people's motives or hint at major drama-to-be, but I don't like it when they "reveal" something we already know (Ben manipulates people, he does it by appealing to their fears and hopes, and nobody can figure out how he learned about their fears and hopes. ho-hum).

I'm on the fence about the episode because they did some of both, leaving me unsatisfied after the fact, but I was (and always will be) glued to the screen for the entire 2-hour block.


I had a "revelation" a couples of days ago that Michael might be Ben's man on the boat, and even though we still don't know who it is I saw a few posts on the "hated it" thread that suggest others have been floating the same theory for a while.

Many people have been theorizing that Widmore might be behind the freighter, and it seems like we now have confirmation of that from Ben, but it's far from news; the only real question is WHY he is interested.


The original Hanso was the Captain of the Black Rock, who obviously discovered something of the island's mysterious healing properties and put it into his journal, and we saw Widmore buy his Captains's Log at auction.
The episode seems like it was trying to advance the main combatants for the future of the island as Widmore and Ben, which isn't really news, but until we really learn about their motives we won't know who the "good guys" are.
Widmore got rid of Ben's gas, which could have killed everyone, but I'm still thinking that Widmore's plan is to kill everyone but Ben (who has the most first-hand knowledge of how the island works) and turn the whole place into Fountain of Youth Island for the ultra-rich.

We know that the O6 survive and Ben survive from the flash-forwards, and I have been assuming that Kate has Aaron because something happens to Claire, but maybe she and everyone else gets killed in the Widmore vs. Ben war?

I have been assuming that one reason for Jack's emotional breakdown and pill-addiction, and the reason he can't visit Kate to see Aaron, is because of his guilt at leaving other 815ers back on the island, but maybe he's upset because his part in the war somehow caused Claire's death who he then finds out is his half-sister?

I had been thinking that Ben saved the 815ers from the wrath of the freighter-folks, and in exchange (A) Sayid agreed to help him kill-off the people behind the freighter and (B) some 815ers agreed to stay on the island and keep trying to make babies, but if one of Ben's big weapons has now been disabled maybe there is nobody still on the island?


Regardless of what questions we all want to be answered, each recent episode seems like it was crafted to create more questions or to further explain answers previously given than to really explain something new. They are just messing with us, and I both lova and hate it.

I guess I'm neutral about the episode, too. I like Juliet, so I enjoyed seeing more of her story. But, it wasn't as jaw-dropping as the other episodes have been. Maybe that's a good thing - I'm not sure how many more times I could have said WTF? like I have in every other episode. I also didn't feel like I had to pay strict attention to every background scene and every word spoken, so it was nice to get a break.

I'm not really sure what the writers were trying to tell us except maybe to lay the groundwork for future episdoes. I think that Ben's obsession with Juliet is going to be important, and we're still trying to figure out if the Freighties are good or bad.

I still say that even a bad episode of Lost (and this wasn't one of them) is better than the best episode of any other program on TV!

It is always hard to follow a Desmond episode, but I think they did a great job. The episode had a different feel (certainly not as "urgent" as last week's episode) but I believe, as usual, that a second or third viewing will reveal many things I missed the first time.

And the last scene was priceless!

I can't say I loved it. But I was no where near hating it as well. I think this episode wasn't a filler episode, per se, however, it was a set-up episode.

We were given a lot to think about in "The Constant" and this is the cool down before the next big show.

I enjoyed seeing a twitterpated Ben. He can have positive emotions - but he's a social imbecile.

I do not know how other people feel, but most of these episodes that deal with relationships are not well written.

This episode did have possibly one of the cheesiest scenes of the series, when Goodwin and Juliet were on the beach. I could have sworn for those few minutes, I was watching a daytime soap...

I can't say I loved it. But I was no where near hating it as well. I think this episode wasn't a filler episode, per se, however, it was a set-up episode.

We were given a lot to think about in "The Constant" and this is the cool down before the next big show.

I enjoyed seeing a twitterpated Ben. He can have positive emotions - but he's a social imbecile.

GOOD WORD! I confess I had to look it up, though:
Main Entry: twitterpated
Part of Speech: adj
Definition: confused by affection or infatuation
Etymology: twitter + -pated 'pertaining to the head'

BTW: For this and other web research, I recommend the Cybertimes Navigator:
http://www.nytimes.com/navigator

PS - I don't remember hearing it before so I thought it was a relatively new word, but apparently Friend Owl used it in Bambi back in 1942.

It was an off episode. Whenever they use old scenes with new people, it's a little off. I thought most of the flashback scenes were unnecessary. If they took us to the chemical barn where I'm guessing Goodwin burned his hand, it would have made more sense. We would be returning to a place that Juliette knew and understood the purpose of, but nothing in the flashbacks showed what Juliette knew about the chemicals and what they were for.

What they did right was to make clear why Jack and Juliette can't be a couple anymore. Jack is obsessive about his surgery and helping and saving people. His heart is in the right place even if his head isn't. Juliette is damaged goods. She is not a survivor. She's an accomplice. And until we know everything she's done for Ben, she can't be trusted.

It was an off episode. Whenever they use old scenes with new people, it's a little off. I thought most of the flashback scenes were unnecessary. If they took us to the chemical barn where I'm guessing Goodwin burned his hand, it would have made more sense. We would be returning to a place that Juliette knew and understood the purpose of, but nothing in the flashbacks showed what Juliette knew about the chemicals and what they were for.

What they did right was to make clear why Jack and Juliette can't be a couple anymore. Jack is obsessive about his surgery and helping and saving people. His heart is in the right place even if his head isn't. Juliette is damaged goods. She is not a survivor. She's an accomplice. And until we know everything she's done for Ben, she can't be trusted.

Other people also said it in other places, but the pieces we have been given of Juliet make less sense as time goes on.

She's a committed researcher with a strong work ethic
She's a tramp who will sleep with a married man within a small community
She's a skilled manipulator, almost a mini-Ben, to Jack when he first arrives
She's a self-doubting brawler who is willing to bring to a fight but not to use itHow the hell does all of this add up?

I think this was a pretty decent episode, nothing amazingly good or bad. It did everything it wanted to do well, I just don't think that anything it did was exceptional. The only thing I did really like was getting the confirmation that it is indeed Widmore who wants the Island.

It was an off episode. Whenever they use old scenes with new people, it's a little off.
Oddly enough, I quite like it when we get old scenes from a different perspective.

But this new angle, Ben wanting Juliet (so bad that he wanted Goodwin dead), I couldn't care less.

The episode was alright for me.

I'm always intrigued by dearest Benjamin; seeing him try and win Juliet's heart was damncute. And a little creepy.

(No, okay, primarily creepy, but kind of adorable. Loved it all the same haha.)

I also think they're being a little too obvious about who is on the boat. Unless they're going to throw someone completely random at us in the last second. If it does turn out to be Michael, I think I will kill myself. I'm waiting for a big surprise. BRING IT ON, WRITERS.

And, uhm,

No comment about the Jack/Juliet kiss.

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I've got to agree that this episode definitely wasn't the greatest.It seems that we just keep on revisiting the same old ideas. Ben manipulating people (Locke again!), sordid love polygons ( Harper/Goodwin/Juliet/Ben, Sawyer/Kate/Jack/Juliet/Ben), and the mysterious man on the boat ( after all the teasers and cliffhangers, if it really is Michael- the most obvious guess , I just might cry. Imagine how much better it would be if was Lockes exlover Helen, its not gonna happen, but that'd definitely be something worth siting down for.)

In the end, this episode could have been condensed into about 5 minutes, covering the scene where we get confirmation that Widmore is the one trying to get on the island, and perhaps Juliets little tussle with Charlotte and Faraday. BLAH.

I thought this epi was stocked full of information. We learned:
1: Ben's "achilles heel" - Juliette - they manipulate each other back and forth - how long will Ben give in to her?
2: Juliette is a master manipulator - she has jack twisted around her little finger - what a bunch a junk she says to him at the end - "He knows how I feel about you" - WHAT? How do you feel about Jack Jules? It's certainly not a romatic feeling.
3: The Tempest - well - we were supposed to get the feeling that Charlotte and Dan were saving the day. BUT were they neutralizing a safety measure for unwanted visitors? I think they were - although their "boss" - Widmore?? has told them that Ben was going to use the gas. WHY would Ben use the gas? In the purge, he uses canisters. My question would be What are they really turning off??
4: John Locke is a very needy man. He so wants to be the "leader" of something that he will buy just about anything anyone says to him.
5: Claire is going to buy it. She is just to inquisitive for Locke. For some reason Locke thinks Miles has answers. Locke doesn't want anyone else to have the answers. If Claire gets to Miles - Locke is going to off her.
6: The Widmore tape - how convenient that Ben has this just then. I don't think the footage has anything to do with the island information.

I have thought for a long time that is comes down to a corporate struggle for "new" inventions. this is a fight between Widmore,Hanso,Paik and Mittelos. I find it interesting that ALL the corporate heads have kids on the island. Convenient??

I guess I felt they didn't do Juliet any favours in this epi.....the adulterous excuses "she is a nasty person" (juliet) and "I have slept on the couch for a year" (goodwin)....ho hum......seems she went from a scared mousie woman pre-island, to an adulterous celebrity on island (with the hair and makeup and low-lined tops to accentuate this), to a kick-*** other, to a mousie vulnerable 'owned' woman all over again.....all in 45 minutes...and Goodwin being attracted to Ana?...I had forgotten that one (good one Ben)....and what gives with the sudden I am so afraid of Ben, he owns me to Jack??....and Jack moving in for a....umm...stilted kiss?.....I know, I know.... the cuddle was nice and Juliet could be a goodie (or not)....the jury's still out for me on this one......so I guess most of the epi was just neither good or totally bad just ho-hum and I hope it makes sense later

What I enjoyed....Ben, Ben and Ben (strange little megalomaniac manipulator that he is)....Dan (saves the day....or did he??).....and the priceless look on Sawyer and Hurley at the end

Other people also said it in other places, but the pieces we have been given of Juliet make less sense as time goes on.

She's a committed researcher with a strong work ethic
She's a tramp who will sleep with a married man within a small community
She's a skilled manipulator, almost a mini-Ben, to Jack when he first arrives
She's a self-doubting brawler who is willing to bring to a fight but not to use itHow the hell does all of this add up?
I think that the name of the episode says it all, The Other Woman....is Harper the other woman, is Juliet the other woman....Is Kate the other woman or is Juliet again the other woman. She does come into a small community and sleep with a married man and after the wife asks her to stop, does she? Then she comes into the crash survivors camp and insinuates herself between Kate and Jack. When Ben kidnapped them in the 2nd season, he intended to separate Kate from Jack and pair her with Sawyer so that the sex would happen and he would get his surgery (trust me, it was all a plan) so did he throw Juliet into the mix knowing what a tramp she is that she would help to keep Jack and Kate apart. When Jack found Kate on the ground, Juliet slinked off alone because it's almost like she is the Other Woman. Like she shouldn't be there. It's obvious she likes him but does she have true feelings for him or is she using him? Don't like her!!

I think after last weeks action-time-travel packed ep, they decided to send out more neutral episode so viewers could get a breathing break. It still had little revelations about the past of some chars.

I think next weeks episode is going to have much more action again.

I think that the name of the episode says it all, The Other Woman....is Harper the other woman, is Juliet the other woman....Is Kate the other woman or is Juliet again the other woman. She does come into a small community and sleep with a married man and after the wife asks her to stop, does she? Then she comes into the crash survivors camp and insinuates herself between Kate and Jack. When Ben kidnapped them in the 2nd season, he intended to separate Kate from Jack and pair her with Sawyer so that the sex would happen and he would get his surgery (trust me, it was all a plan) so did he throw Juliet into the mix knowing what a tramp she is that she would help to keep Jack and Kate apart. When Jack found Kate on the ground, Juliet slinked off alone because it's almost like she is the Other Woman. Like she shouldn't be there. It's obvious she likes him but does she have true feelings for him or is she using him? Don't like her!!

I don't like her either, but I'm much more shallow.

When she smiles she gets very weird dimples on her cheeks that scrunch-up her face in a way that is very creepy.

I know that there aren't many choices for female companionship on the island, but how could Jack forget that when they met she was manipulating him to try to get home?

Isn't there a prettier background 815er who also wants to get home but who never tried to use him that he could smooch?